1998/08/21 16:10
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #580
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 580
Today's Topics:
Re: Kundalini Yoga? [ "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com> ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ "E.E.Schuh" <ganglareATnospamgte.net> ]
Re: Unidentified subject! [ Orea <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: Kundalini Yoga? [ "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.c ]
Can shock be a good thing: replies [ "Kat" <KcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> ]
Re: EYES [ "Kat" <KcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> ]
mucho progress [ Andrew Alcott Shaver <ashaverATnospamumich ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ "Kat" <KcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> ]
Re: Re: Personal Experiences [ geoffrey33ATnospamjuno.com ]
cool happenings, [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
neck [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: Kundalini Yoga? [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
pls pass this on to K and K-P list [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> (by wa ]
Re: Shock , can it be a good thing? [ "hc19436ATnospamautovia" <hc19436ATnospamautovia. ]
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:18:11 -0400
From: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
To: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Kundalini Yoga?
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Paul,
I feel we are both journeying on a long path that ultimately will end
nowhere. The truth is we have nowhere to go for we were Here all
along. But how far we have to go to realize our beginnings.
This journey for me began a lifetime ago when I felt a powerful
desire to know God. There was nothing else for me, and ultimately I
abandoned my life for I saw it as separate from God. What now am I
to make of being born here again? I know I was escaping physical
reality, and not finding God. God is everywhere, and when I am
content wherever and whatever I am, I am there! Yoga, for me, is
many different techniques that work better for me at different times,
to keep me conscious of my ultimate goal, desire, reality.
Sometimes, all I can do is remember to observe. Other times, I can
achieve deeper levels of meditation. Sometimes, I am drawn into the
illusion, and forget entirely who I am. My consciousness grows
stronger the more I practice these exercises.
I think you do belong on this list. I would miss you if you left.
Also, it was good of you to apologize for your comments on Yoga.
That is one of the hardest things for people to do, admit their
mistakes. My husband cannot, and, after 13 years of seeing how
impossible it is for him, I no longer expect any apology when he
"acts up". It has made me realize just how hard it is. There are
others, like my boss, who apologized once to his chair when he bumped
into it "I beg your pardon". :-) His words are truly meaningless.
Cathy
You wrote
(snip)
>
>So I didn't come to kundalini through a disciplin like yoga as you
>did. I wasn't in the sort of frame of mind to be already persuing
>spiritual avenues when it all started. Or maybe I just didn't
>recognise the symptoms. It wasn't very pleasant to start with.
Despite
>all that I still don't think I quite grasp the importance of this.
I'm
>still gunna need some more slaps. Maybe I'll take to a disciplin at
>some stage. I have been feeling that something of mine, that is me,
is
>something more worth defending, that it is precious and worth dying
>for, and therefore worth living for. But the feeling isn't constant
>enough yet and there is still a lot of confusion and doubt and
>deception. I don't have the seriousness to approach spirituality
along
>serious paths of inquiry into religions and spiritual traditions and
>anchient ways. Maybe it'll happen later in life when I have more
>courage.
>
>--
>Paul.
>
>IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
>WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
>E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
>
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:26:49 -0600
From: "E.E.Schuh" <ganglareATnospamgte.net>
To: Evelyn Niedbalec <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Dear Evelyn,
I too experienced this, and believed I was about to have an out of body
experience. I got scared and stoped it. I was told that when I'm ready, I
will allow myself to go and it won't scare me. The weird thing is that I
experienced this while I was free-dancing. Does anyone else meditate and
dance? Like a Zar.
Love, Benita
Evelyn Niedbalec wrote:
> Sounds like you were about to have an out of body experience my friend!
> I would do a little research on the term if you want to know more (but
> of course take what you read with a grain of salt as there are many
> opinions out there). By the way, I think you will find you are not
> physically shaking. It is more like your awareness is transfered to
> your energy body which feels similar to your physical body. I find the
> vibrations quite pleasant myself, even if they do get a little wild
> sometimes!
> -Evelyn
>
> >
> >Hi outthere! There is a kundaliniphenomenon i'm wondering about.
> >Sometimes when i'm about to sleep, my arms and legs start to vibrate in
> a
> >very rough way. I can feel my chakras and energystreams otherwise to,
> but this
> >is totaly different. It's like i'm getting electrified. I t spreads
> from my
> >fingers and toes and up. I get afraid, and rise to shake it of. It
> disappears, but what
> >happens if I let it be ?.If I let it shake me as it wants?
> > Would be grateful for an answer.
> >
> >
> >
>
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:40:09 -0400
From: Orea <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: Kundalini l list <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
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>Hi, Geoffrey-
>
>I have experienced a similar sensation, but never when I meditate. Quite
>often, as I am going to sleep I can feel pulsing, vibrations working
>their way up my body, from the bottom chakra up through the heart chakra.
>Then sometimes I awaken a little while later and feel a spinning
>vibration in my head. I compare it to a prayer wheel or a gyroscope,
>because it seems to be slightly off balance. It seems to be at a rate of
>at least twice per heartbeat. It also has felt like the top of my head
>had opened up and there have been some other unusual sounds associated
>with it, like humming and a sound that I can only compare to the
>vibration of a huge metal gong as it dies down, only constant, not fading
>out. But it has never been constant, as you descibed.
>
>Marybeth
>
>
>You wrote:
>
>>What I did experience was a
>>pulsing, swirling funnel in my crown(it would pulse with my heart beat)
>>for about three weeks about a year ago. It was as if the top of my head
>>was missing. During this time my energy level was always high and it
>>seemed the only reason to eat was to maintain my weight, not for energy.
>>The pulsing would be at night ,while I meditated, and other times. It
>>was fairly loud. Then it left and hasn't returned. Is this what it
>>feels like when k is expressing herself through the crown? Please tell
>>me more. What is it like?
For years I have felt vibrations mostly near my feet/ ankles, with the
rhythm of a cat's purring. Don't know if it is realted ornot, because I
also used to sometimes feel ghost cat feet walking on my bed as well. But,
now it feels like a bigger cat? I am wondering if dragons purr. Ohhh, I
am getting some suggestive comments on that line!
Or maybe it is k, I dunno.
Love,
Orea
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:52:44 PDT
From: "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.com>
To: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini Yoga?
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" Maybe it'll happen later in life when I have more
courage."
maybe you have it now. seeking alone, you will find yourself a
compassionate part of everyone from whom you thought you were apart.
This has been my experience. Katrina
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:59:04 -0400
From: "Kat" <KcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Can shock be a good thing: replies
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Hi All,
I would love to thank each and everyone one of you for being there for me!
There were many that also contacted me in private and helped me through a
very difficult night.
It all started with a phone call that give me some very shocking news and
blew my world apart.....yet again! .....and again.....and again......what
is it that I am suppose to be learning from all of this? I am loosing my
trust in everyone and this cannot be a good thing!
Anyways; after the intial shock I felt a shock wave.....vibration enter me
from my feet and it rised throughout my entire body and then went out my
head. Afterwards for at least 1/2 hour , maybe longer, I was shaking from
the inside. I should point out that if anyone was looking at me they would
not of been able to notice any changes. I thought that I was breaking
down.....to much information in so little time!! Let me deal with it ....one
thing at a time please! not all this boom booom booom!! I need to fix each
thing so that I do not loose control. I must have control! Its the only
thing I can count on and that is myself. Anyways going off topic
here.....It was after all this shaking that the really strange stuff
started! ohhh and after some nice messages I got that were helping me to
feel calmer.....I heard high pitch sounds almost like it was coming from
some kind of instrument. With each sound I felt more at peace.....that is
until the other events took place. I then began to hear whispering. It was
like I was surround by people but I could not see them. I could just hear
them whispering. I hate it when people whisper! that is so rude! Only
they weren't people. I think they were spirits. I also saw many small
black shadows floating by me and around me. This really threw me as in the
past if I have seen these shadows they are usually followed by an entity.
Thank god this was not to be as I am not sure I could of handled another
entity fight! My hearing for the rest of the evening went to an all time
high. I could hear my next door neighbours talking!!! and I'll tell you
that was embarrasing for me! I believe people have the right to their
privatcy. I could also hear the traffic and many other things in the
neighbourhood. I finally went to sleep in the wee hours of the morning
completely exhausted. I just got up two hours ago!!! I do not usually
sleep in that late.
Why does the kundalini rising affect the people around us? Does This force
make it that people have to tell you the truth? It seems everyone that has
lied to me suddenly has this guilt thing going on and they now have to tell
me the whole truth! Okay truth is good but one at a time please! Let me
adjust first then let the next truth come my way.
In L&L & Understanding,
Katharine
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:28:31 -0400
From: "Kat" <KcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
To: <FluteATnospamcreate.org>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: EYES
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Hi Flute and All,
This topic brought back this memory to me that I would like to share with
you and the others.
When I was younger my cousins stayed over one night. Very late at night we
all witnessed something very strange. In the window was a giant eye looking
in at us. Ohhh wait it gets stranger. Around my sisters bed there was
hmmmm let come them spirits......floating around her bed. In a circle. Up
over and then down and under and then back up again, over and over. They
had the form of football players. (I didn't even know what a football
player looked like until that night) In our room a desk is connected to a
wall. A hand kept going over and over the book case that was above the desk
as if it was trying to choose a book. When I looked over at my cousin
(remember we were very very young.) he was no longer looking like himself
and he had taken on the appearance of a skeleton. This put a scare into me
and made him laugh. All of the children in this situaton are now full grown
adults. Each one of us can remember the details of that night. None of us
will admit to it happening to anyone else now because of the reaction we got
when we tried to tell our parents about it. My cousins now will say it was
just group hystics (sp) My sister will admit she saw it and remembers it to
me but she will not talk about it with anyone else. I will speak about it a
little with people with open minds now but I still have no idea what this
group sighting was all about. My sister also has displayed abilities over
the years. I do not know about my cousins as they wish to forget about it
and have become very private people. So do you or anyone else have any
idea what happened that night? And what since this topic was on
eyes.......what would a large eye in a window mean? We felt like it was
watching us. As if it was viewing the same things we were viewing and
watching how we were reacting to everything. I was scared but excited at
the same time. I cannot speak for the others.
In L&L & Understanding,
Katharine
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:35:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Alcott Shaver <ashaverATnospamumich.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: mucho progress
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Hi everybody,
When I introduced myself to this list just about a week and a half
ago, I mentioned that I wasn't sure whether I was experiencing K or not.
Well, I'm still not positive (because I haven't looked around for anyone
to give me the Good Kundalini Housekeeping Seal of Approval, though I
may soon check my local listings). I almost just joined the list out
of mere peeping-tomism, truthfully. But then, last weekend, I was taking
a recreational drug trip and doing my normal (continual) bodywork
and knocked out some **major** blocks and such. Since then, I have
been sleeping about 3 hours per night, eating mostly because I know
that my body requires food, and organizing the hell out of *my* life
(and the life of anybody else who seems to be crying out for it!--
I granted my co-worker a very useful and fun mini-therapy-session
during our luch break!). I also feel like I'm giving off a lot
of heat.
In other words, I really uncorked something here!
I don't know if things are going to continue at this pace
for any length of time or not. The change feels pretty solid, though,
and, like I said in my intial introduction, I've been doing my own
brand of bodywork (originally based on Gestalt Therapy) for 5 years now.
I am OK! I am not asking for advice! Nor am I bragging--
I am informing you, in case I spontaneously combust! ;)
Is this an example of synchronicity, or what? In any case,
it's an example of being in the right place at the right time
(and with the right tools-- the internet) because you people are
really, really amazing. I wonder how much my being on this list
has to do with my progress lately. Interesting question, huh?
Anyways, *thank you all* very much for sharing your own fascinating
stories and observations, your own wisdom and humor, and probably
most of all your LOVE. See you around. And keep in touch.
Andy
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:55:59 -0400
From: "Kat" <KcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
To: "E.E.Schuh" <ganglareATnospamgte.net>, "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
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Hi Zar,
>I too experienced this, and believed I was about to have an out of body
>experience. I got scared and stoped it. I was told that when I'm ready, I
>will allow myself to go and it won't scare me. The weird thing is that I
>experienced this while I was free-dancing. Does anyone else meditate and
>dance? Like a Zar.
I cannot say that dancing has ever brought me to an OB experience but I will
say that it has proven to be very good for putting me into trances and deep
meditation afterwards. Drums seem to have this affect on me as well. I
think it is the sound when it is drums and the vibrations of dancing when I
am dancing. The dancing is only if I am by myself and only if I am dancing
to solitude type music or native music with drums. I have no idea how to
dance this way I just go with the flow of the music. thats why I prefer to
do it by myself as I am sure I look really foolish when I am doing it.
In L&L & Understanding,
Katharine
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:23:58 -0700
From: geoffrey33ATnospamjuno.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: Personal Experiences
Message-ID: <19980821.162359.3310.0.Geoffrey33ATnospamjuno.com>
Dear Geoffrey:
Verification through sensing of your past and present aura verifies your
situation through which you went.
Will you prefer to inform the following :
1. Are you feeling >quite< normal and whatever job you are doing , are
you
doing with proper attention , without any problem.
R:I don't do much work. Sometimes I do sculpture. I get a natural high
when I am de focused
and am not that productive any more. I have no problem working except a
lack of motivation.
I do support myself in a minimalists kind of way. Sometimes I feel like
a"space cadet".
3.What benefit was your Tao practice of semen retention. What you gained
with that.
R:A tremendous amount of life force is lost when men lose their semen(for
women it is their
period where energy is lost). By keeping the energy within the body it
rejuvenates the entire
being. Try pressing on the perineum just before, and during orgasm. It
is that easy.
Try it for a week and see what you think. There is a meditation for
women that prevents their
period. Two girl friends have done it successfully. I recommend the
books by Mantak Chia.
4. How is your sex urge this time.We are sensing that aura of your sex
chakra, testicles and spermatic cord, protstate gland is towards higher
side
comparing to the balanced aura everywhere.
R:You are correct. I am working on redirecting it. This is my biggest
challenge at the moment.
I've always had a strong drive(I'm a ray one in Bailey terms) . If I
don't move the energy I get
real tired and can't sleep. It is easy to not think about sex, it is the
sleeplessness and tiredness
that gets old.
5. Do you suggest others also to take up Tao practice of semen retention.
R:Yes, I highly recommend it. The seed is the fruit of the body. It is
like pruning a rose bush.
You will flower more.
6.How are you practicing in your spiritual development.
R:I mostly just exist. I am doing a 10 day Vipassana meditation in Sept.
followed by a three
week fast. I think most people would be bored with my lifestyle.
7. Do you react to any adverse situation instantly.
I don't experience many adverse situations. When someone asks me a
question, the words
just come out. I don't think about what I'm going to say. I am not to
the place of no mind yet,
I do have 80-90% less thoughts than I did 10 years ago. I have noticed
that self-observation
seems to work against this like someone noted in a recent message on the
forum.
Thank you Gyani for your questions.
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:40:47 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: cool happenings,
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Hi Janpa,
I always know when I'm around spiritual people for my crown chakra heats
up ,tingles and burns doing its little dance.Same for sacred spaces or
interestingly enough when I'm being called to prayer or "they" (angels?)
want to do some work on me. And you do feel a closeness of the soul with
the person who is "spinning " with you. It's a radiatory heat,yes?
Spinning with you in,
More Light.
Rev. Maureen
Date: 21 Aug 98 22:53:06 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: neck
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Hi.
`Cosmic energy' recently diagnosed that I have tension in the knees
and neck indicative of fear of the unknown. I am not sure about my
knees but there is a lot of tension in the back of my neck. What can I
do about this?
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: 21 Aug 98 20:28:10 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini Yoga?
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Wonderer,
I am not sure if you wrote this to me privately or not, but I see you
also addressed to the list so I hope it's okay.
> I feel we are both journeying on a long path that ultimately will end
> nowhere. The truth is we have nowhere to go for we were Here all
> along. But how far we have to go to realize our beginnings.
Yes. It is as if you could spend many /years/ doing what ultimately
seems like nonsense and then one day you change and, like, what the
hell were you doing all that time. One of the things I've seen a lot
recently is people using "this is the nineties" as some reasoning for
whatever. It looks nonsense to me, that people could be in a kind of
tunnel like that.
> This journey for me began a lifetime ago when I felt a powerful
> desire to know God. There was nothing else for me, and ultimately I
> abandoned my life for I saw it as separate from God. What now am I
> to make of being born here again? I know I was escaping physical
> reality, and not finding God. God is everywhere, and when I am
> content wherever and whatever I am, I am there!
Exactly, so we spend totally ages of time going all over the place
with all the ambitions and goals and achievements but in the end we
return to the same place. Reminds me of the forrest gump film.
> Yoga, for me, is
> many different techniques that work better for me at different times,
> to keep me conscious of my ultimate goal, desire, reality.
I sometimes have a bit of difficulty not having a goal. Most of the
time I am in posession of everything.
> Sometimes, all I can do is remember to observe. Other times, I can
> achieve deeper levels of meditation. Sometimes, I am drawn into the
> illusion, and forget entirely who I am. My consciousness grows
> stronger the more I practice these exercises.
:-) I am wondering why people don't accept everyone else as equal. I
keep seeing little groups, packs, hordes of people huddled together in
their little world of knowledge, couples in love and the whole debate
about wether to have affairs and how valid it is to love other people.
I wonder why is it that not everybody knows everybody else and why
people keep shying away from each other. It's a two-way thing
relationship.
> I think you do belong on this list. I would miss you if you left.
The list is not bigger than anything it's just a place but it happens
to be one of those groups I just talked about of which I am guilty of
wanting to be around a little more than other groups so I think it is
only normal to wonder why I am here and to question the list turning
into some kind of a temple. As a hotspot in a cold land it is in
danger of becoming elitist but I don't think it will.
> Also, it was good of you to apologize for your comments on Yoga.
> That is one of the hardest things for people to do, admit their
> mistakes. My husband cannot, and, after 13 years of seeing how
> impossible it is for him, I no longer expect any apology when he
> "acts up". It has made me realize just how hard it is. There are
> others, like my boss, who apologized once to his chair when he
> bumped into it "I beg your pardon". :-) His words are truly
> meaningless.
Good examples. The words are easily written but meaning them is very
precious. And to tell you the truth I have not tended to be the kind
of person to say please or thankyou or sorry or goodbuy. I know that
others find it easier to say those things. Of note, however, is that I
read a while ago some phrase along the lines of "you are not generous
unless you give away something you need more yourself". Spooning stuff
onto other people that you `dont need anyway' is not generosity. Just
as apologising for something that was too easy for you to accept holds
no water. You can hear the degree of truth in people's voices, and in
their faces, and in their manner. If you are sensitive to subtleties
you know when there are shreds of deception. But I am not sure
that such sensitivity itself is truthful because it is a way of
experiencing the reality of things, like an interpreter, despite
its ability to interpret those subtleties and make them tangible.
Thing is with me that I have a number of difficulties but I am very
aware that they are there. That isn't always the case. I try to
substitute the failings of my personality with a transcendence of
personality - to stand back and observe as you say. Mostly I don't
know if I am finding out that it is better to be better or that it is
all to be all. It is usual that there are many opinions I can have
about the same subject, such as joya, born of different degrees of
deception. Some people though and probably me also just take
somebody's opinion and hold them to it - "but you said" and "in the
past". I think some list members have images of me due to channels of
ease that I opened up previously. I think we all depend on each other.
It isn't enough to achieve success on your own when there's nobody to
share it with. I am not sure why people walk around alienated from
each other, defined by all sorts of image of rank and job and culture
and nationality. I have a vision of one people and when I hold that
vision I am sure there is something up in heaven totally delighted.
Maybe it is my own joy of what, in an eternal sense, is already true.
It is certainly easier to live in the world knowing that there aren't
a bunch of animals out there that you are at war with. I even think
the same is said of all parts of nature. I saw what I would describe
as `myself' in some animals, and it keeps happening. I think they are
like equals actually, and increasingly that is unfolding before my
eyes. Imagine if you reincarnated into an animal body but were still
totally who you are. It is extraordinary to see so many forms of life,
and to be inclusive of that, not that nature is seperate but that we
are all part of nature also.
I also know that there is an absolute inevitability to the realisation
of `heaven on earth'. I hope that is not sounding too prophetic, or
pathetic. I saw it, that everything will be alright in the end. :)
--
Paul.
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:10:58 -0700
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Kundalini_pATnospamonelist.com
Subject: pls pass this on to K and K-P list
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980821141058.00c11e78ATnospammail.fantasycorp.com>
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Blessed be!
I want to do some stuff to my email before resubscribing, but could you
pass this on?
Just put up a Pagan board at
http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/mbs.cgi/mb131057
and the first post was from someone in K awakening. (Telepahty, obviously. :-)
Maybe Spirit will move the right K readers to go there and answer him?
The topic is
Taoist (post moved by FD) -- strange perceptions
Namaste,
Mary
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:31:51 +0100
From: "hc19436ATnospamautovia" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: Kat <KcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>, "K. list" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Shock , can it be a good thing?
Message-ID: <35DDCB27.7717DF90ATnospamautovia.com>
Kat wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Anyone that is really senstive to negetive vibrations press delete....
>
> Okay now that is out of the way I am in a lot of trouble right now. I feel
> like my whole system is going into shock. I am falling down and this time I
> am not sure I can get back up. Just to much is happening. Can anyone do a
> posting that will help to send positve vibrations to me? I can't talk about
> what is hurting me so badly but I hope someone can help.
>
>
Jan: Perhaps the terminology has to be changed. Instead of " I am having a K.
awakening" it would be better to state: "Buddha/ Self/God/Goddess (take your
pick) is after 'little me' ". God is the hunter, 'little me' is the prey. In the
"game of God" you are the game, not the doer or controller. Sometimes a severe
shock, sometimes great fear, mind and body are often operating at or near the
limits of what can be tolerated. There seems to be one choice: surrender or
experience like a prey on the run. I would suggest surrender. This way, what
seems to be frightening turns out to be great. Knowing this, do you still have a
choice?
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