1998/08/20 09:06
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #576
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 576
Today's Topics: Immortality [ David Bozzi ]
raining snow or dots in the air [ F19AshATnospamaol.com ] Re: Tantra Retreat in India. [ Prof D Chatterjee ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ "Sen Ashanka" ] Re: Immortality [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Immortality [ "Paul West" ] RE: new subscriber [ "fosterx2" ]
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:51:02 -0400 From: David Bozzi
To: Kundalini Subject: Immortality
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I've been reading a bit about genetic technology and interests of folk who seem to think the physical aging process can be halted. That is
immortalize a human body. I'm convinced it's not only possible but will eventually be done
(unless factors such as a meteor, virus, or black hole wipes us out.)
In reading discussions of people who are diligently interested in this
I can't help but feel sickened. There's something diabolical about
it. At first I couldn't pinpoint why. There are well meaning people that simply
don't want to die. But to get to such an extreme where science is used to immortalize a body one would first have to be devoid of any sense
of spirituality, no? Only spiritual poverty could drive the belief that
Death is a real enemy that must be defeated. I'm grateful for having cultivated a deep reverence and *gratitude*
for the *release* that Death brings, and in the same Moment enjoy and love Life. I *know* Death is a mere illusion. I *know* nothing dies.
How terrible it must be to not know this and cling so desperately to something so
unreal as a dream. (a dream of isolation) That is disease. That's what I realize has disturbed me so about folk
seeking to immortalize the body. A sick, deficient perspective of *fear* underlies this mad drive to live as a skin encapsulated ego for as
long as possible.
The world is science fiction.
David,
(just feeling really grateful, yes grateful for the Love of Spirit and
abiding in This as the source of Immortality)
Peace To All Forever
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 03:20:25 EDT From: F19AshATnospamaol.com
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wow thatz so weird. cause i can see them too... and always have been able to. It just looks like particles in the air. Yet when im trying to sense
something odd about an area i have always, unknowingly, looked at the dots to see the form that isnt really a form at all. Like I saw an angel laying on my
bed at night change into a dove and fly away once. And I saw an 2 angels at a friend's apartment hovering over her bed, watching over her....and i was not
the only one to see them either! But Ive noticed these "dots, raining snow" how ya call them like all my life since i can remember. Plus the "dots" seem
to collect more around objects or people. Ive just put them out of my mind most of the time....fascinating to know what they are.....but then
again...what exactly ARE they anyways? energy right? and wavelengths of Auras?
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:51:33 +0500 (GMT+0500) From: Prof D Chatterjee
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Here's informing people who are interested in joining a Tantra Yoga retreat/conference of 5 days to be held in Rishikesh in Northern India in
March 1999. One of the major themes of this retreat will be experiential and conceptual understanding of Kundalini. Those of you interested in a
pre-conferenece dialogue before contemplating coming to India may write to SHIVA at:
kunurikaATnospamiiml.ac.in
On Wed, 19 Aug 1998 melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu wrote:
> Has anyone else looked at this site?: >
> http://www.bitcave.com/recipes/couscous.html >
> Its called Making Love With Spirit. (Inspite of the unlikely sounding URL) > its a beautifully written account of a woman's kundalini experience -- a
> personal account it seems. I just stumbled on it a couple of days ago. > --signalfire
> >
> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 03:27:30 EDT
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Dear David,
Immortality may not be a bad thing for some aspirants of the
spiritual path. Many yogis die before they have completed their dharma or way. Many of us,
myself included, need to be long lived in order to get it right finally. The serious
problem is that when one is born again, one has to go through all the hassles all over again to get back on the path. I know that there is literature saying
that once one is initiated the soul is always pushed onward in the next life toward greater realization, but the more progress one makes in this life the
easier it is to gained apotheosis in death. Sadly until now, many souls could not make much progress. Live long and prosper.
Dave
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 03:30:17 EDT From: LANDLIIATnospamaol.com
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I am not sure where the genetic tech will lead but I think the aging process is slowed down when one becomes unaware that they are supposed to age. It is
kind of like when you do not think about it or know it is supossed to happen of expect it to happen it does not.
Love AND LIght, Karlee
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 03:16:59 -0600 From: dax23ATnospamjuno.com (Ahau Akbal)
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Greetin' Frin', List Folks,
Me does not know fer sure. I have read some aboot them as other folk have seen an' reported them. There is some differin'
o' opinion about what they be fer. Meself just be a thinkin' that they be a particular perception o' the energies we be a livin' in.
Live Lightly and InJoy...
Ahau Akbal
ChairBeing of D.O.O.F UM DIVINE ORDER OF FOOLS UM
On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 03:20:25 EDT F19AshATnospamaol.com writes:
>....fascinating to know what they are.....but then again... >what exactly ARE they anyways? energy right? and
>wavelengths of Auras?
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 01:51:59 -1000 (HST) From: sven volter
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Hi outthere! There is a kundaliniphenomenon i'm wondering about. Sometimes when i'm about to sleep, my arms and legs start to vibrate in a
very rough way. I can feel my chakras and energystreams otherwise to, but this is totaly different. It's like i'm getting electrified. I t spreads from my
fingers and toes and up. I get afraid, and rise to shake it of. It disappears, but what happens if I let it be ?.If I let it shake me as it wants?
Would be grateful for an answer.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:56:08 +0200 From: "Sen Ashanka"
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>Hi outthere! There is a kundaliniphenomenon i'm wondering about.
>Sometimes when i'm about to sleep, my arms and legs start to vibrate in a >very rough way. I can feel my chakras and energystreams otherwise to, but
this >is totaly different. It's like i'm getting electrified. I t spreads from
my >fingers and toes and up. I get afraid, and rise to shake it of. It
disappears, but what >happens if I let it be ?.If I let it shake me as it wants?
> Would be grateful for an answer.
YOU ARE ON THE TRAIN TO THE BLUE...
ENJOY THE COSMIC RIDE, DO NOT PANIC, DO NOT BE AFRAID...
JUST LET GO AND WHHOOOOOOSSSHHHHH.....
Cheers and love to all
Ashanka Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:22:52 EDT
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:22:31 -0400 From: "Carrea"
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>I am not sure where the genetic tech will lead but I think the aging
process >is slowed down when one becomes unaware that they are supposed to age. It
is >kind of like when you do not think about it or know it is supossed to
happen >of expect it to happen it does not.
>Love AND LIght, >Karlee
>That is immortalize a human body. I'm convinced it's not only possible but will eventually be done
(unless factors such as a meteor, virus, or black hole wipes us out.) David.
Funny to say, following Karlee points to, i beleive that as long as you feel
meteor, virus and black holes, and..., as outside of you, outside entities. This process can only crystalise what you call your body, and make it easier
to brake, to brake what you associate your identity with. The process of being always on the defensive, protect yourself against virus, and stuff,
only creates fears, which creates time.
I remember going to see my grandfather, father of 14 children (my mother is the youngest in her familly), who let himself died at 98 years old, the
months following my grandmother death. There is this magic around people who let themselves ages, the way they react to things, the way they flow with
life. Knowing inside them all is ok.
There is also magic, in seing someone of 98, with the eyes of a child, the health of a 60 year old man, who could drive a car, say, ok today its time
for me to die, just need to let go.
When i think of my grand father i have a smile. Something of the child in me, knows that if he could chose to let go and simply die with a smile, he
can chose to come back whenever he wants, in the form he wants.
Fear of death can only lead to death.
Antoine Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:34:34 EDT
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In a message dated 8/20/1998 12:23:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
david.bozziATnospamsnet.net writes:
< I'm grateful for having cultivated a deep reverence and *gratitude* for the *release* that Death brings, and in the same Moment enjoy and
love Life. I *know* Death is a mere illusion. I *know* nothing dies.How terrible
it must be to not know this and cling so desperately to something so unreal as a dream. (a dream of isolation)
That is disease. That's what I realize has disturbed me so about folk seeking to immortalize the body. A sick, deficient perspective of *fear*
underlies this mad drive to live as a skin encapsulated ego for aslong as possible. >>
Harsha: Living a good healthy life is beautiful. Good food, exercise, deep
breathing are all helpful. Clinging to anything is due to fear and that hinders spirituality. The Shakti is then not free to abide in ITs Source.
With such a fear (of preserving the ego) the Self cannot be Seen As IT Is. Complete and Whole and Ever Free, The Self-Existing, Self Sustaining Reality
which animates everything and depends on nothing. Date: 20 Aug 98 15:15:34 +0000
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> In reading discussions of people who are diligently interested in this I
> can't help but feel sickened. There's something diabolical about it. At > first I couldn't pinpoint why. There are well meaning people that simply
> don't want to die. But to get to such an extreme where science is used > to immortalize a body one would first have to be devoid of any sense of
> spirituality, no? Only spiritual poverty could drive the belief that > Death is a real enemy that must be defeated.
I agree. All you need is a bit of sense to see that it's not a very
natural thing to be doing. Some people get real easily convinced, which makes me wonder. They shed out tens of thousands of pounds for
example to have their bodies preserved and stuff in case they can be brought back to life, and there are these companies who are really
serious scientific who really believe it can be achieved. Personally I find it difficult enough managing to keep up with the demands of this
lifetime, yet alone having it bloody extended. That I exist at all is really spooky so I can imagine the extent of deception that must be
involved in wanting to exist forever.
Apart from the illusion that scientific and technological progress is in a forward direction only, I usually view the advance of
civilisation as just a rearranging of furniture in the same room. Kind of like you go nowhere, but the scenery changes, and the people
believe that they are in some kind of linear timeline like a tunnel. There's stuff that gets taken for granted especially in this `day and
age', that is, the modern day that pretends to exist in a totally different place to the past and future. Trying to see what the land
looks like without any houses, trying to see that flashy motorcar parked in the middle of a medieval castle, trying to see that the
trees and all of nature are pretty much the same as they always were. We haven't really gone anywhere at all. I see the march of
civilisation and technology and science to be something of a struggle against itself. But maybe even this is just some fancy mind-trick of
mine.
Still, I don't want to `exist' forever. The less I exist the better.
Hmm, that sounds almost suicidal.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 07:25:43 PDT
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Sounds like you were about to have an out of body experience my friend! I would do a little research on the term if you want to know more (but
of course take what you read with a grain of salt as there are many opinions out there). By the way, I think you will find you are not
physically shaking. It is more like your awareness is transfered to your energy body which feels similar to your physical body. I find the
vibrations quite pleasant myself, even if they do get a little wild sometimes!
-Evelyn
> >Hi outthere! There is a kundaliniphenomenon i'm wondering about.
>Sometimes when i'm about to sleep, my arms and legs start to vibrate in a
>very rough way. I can feel my chakras and energystreams otherwise to, but this
>is totaly different. It's like i'm getting electrified. I t spreads from my
>fingers and toes and up. I get afraid, and rise to shake it of. It disappears, but what
>happens if I let it be ?.If I let it shake me as it wants? > Would be grateful for an answer.
> >
>
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Doh! I would send it but of course I deleted it already! If someone would be so kind as to help out yet again.?.....
Also, to Carrea, your attempted attachment hung too, but thanx for
trying. I imagine it's probably either internet explorer 3.0, hotmail, or the combo of the 2 that's causing the prob.
-Evelyn
>
>Greetin's M' Lady Evelyn, >
>Me didst also find difficulty tryin ta get there. Would you send >me the snippet ye did receive? Me mail service does not allow
>attachments. >
>Thanks! >
>Ahau Akbal >ChairBeing of D.O.O.F UM
>DIVINE ORDER OF FOOLS UM >
>On Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:27:06 PDT "Evelyn Niedbalec" > writes:
>>Thanx for trying, but your attempt to send the web page as an >>attachment
>>also hangs! I can't open the sucker! But another person did send me >>a
>>snip of the part about sparkling lights which I was most interested >>in.
>>Thanx all for the effort! >>-Evelyn
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:08:19 EDT From: LadyOStarsATnospamaol.com
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Forgive me if this was received already.... for it bounced back to me as undeliverable....
Hello...
I am new to the list... and infact new to Kundalini yoga...
I joined because I have a growing interest in this... I have yet to experience it for myself...
or know how to go about doing it or finding a teacher in my area....
The last couple of weeks I have been seeing the "snake" in
many forms... including dreams, music, art, and reality.... it is a reoccuring symbol in my life now and has lead me to
find out more about Kundalini....
I feel i am receiving a call of some sort and Her call is getting louder...
and I am not sure how to follow it...
Wondering if anyone could direct me to good books a teacher.... (I am in Rhode Island)
Love and Light
Lady Of The Stars Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:47:35 -0400
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The tread on the eyes, as much as many other thing, inspired me to rigth this today. Thanks Flutter.
A STONE AS A GATEWAY
Take the hardest stone you can find.
Polish a surface of it so it becomes as a mirror.
Think, meditate, on this polished surface, so that you start seeing it as a
veil, a veil between this space-time world and the Absolute, God, or any "other" World you choose.
Choose the symbol that represents God the most for you, it may be the Shri
Yantra, the Sanskrit representation of OM, the formula E=mc^2, a geometrical form you saw in a dream, etc...
Now, take your time, the time you feel in peace during your day, to start
sculpting, drawing, on that surface the symbol you have chosen.
When you do that, start to feel you are starting to open a door between the two sides of the veils.
Takes months if you need to, a few minutes a day, to engrave your symbol on
the surface of the stone.
Leave the stone in the most sacred place you feel in your house.
Feel with time the stone become more sacred than the space you leave it.
The stone door is starting to open.
In your day to day, feel how the stone you walk on, start to open to your mind.
The inside of stones does not feel empty, inert as much, it starts to live,
to open a consciouness to you.
In your day to day, feel how you are made of stone also, and that dead part of you starts to live also.
In your day to day, start to feel your are not just this body of flesh you
are used to. But also participate to this body of stone.
Feel the stone starting to gently wake up and become your mirror.
Start to feel the Stone giant, that this planet, and all the solar system and galaxies is.
Now ask your self a question:
Which is more dense, the matter, (what is behind the veil of the surface of
the stone), or the space on the other side?
And does the answer really matter?
Antoine
PS: This brings an new eye in looking at Stone Hedge. And the cult of the Ancient.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:02:41 -0700 From: "fosterx2"
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Hello list,
My name is Julie, I am 38 years old. I have always been a spiritual person from birth on up. I used to skip grade school to read the "White
Brotherhood Masters books" I was always "psychic" and could see things that others didn't. I soon learned when not to talk about it. I have done
meditations, energy work, yoga, etc.....most of my life. About six years ago, I had a dream about Shiva made out of stars. I researched Shiva and
found out about Shakti and then Kundalini. I found some books and started to do the excersizes. Within in a week, I was having some kind of seizure
during the excersizes, these seemed to get stronger and longer lasting as I went on. I called some people that I knew...they were not much help. Just
told me to quit or be careful....I quit because I began to get scared. From then on my life went to hell. My health began to go, Lots of negative
things happen. I began to feel that I had the worst luck in the world! I finally moved back to my home town, quit college, got clinically depressed
(again) ,started teaching small kids. Then I ended up with strong depressive episodes, fatigue, body aches, intense bone like pain, cognitive
dysfunction's, somedays my hands would not write or my feet forgot how to walk. I would get paralyzed, numb and tingling, with hot spots and chills.
The hot spots felt strange and reminded me of energy blocks. I was temporarily diagnosed with Fibromyalgia Syndrome. Got on meds, felt a
little better but still could not work without pain pills. Doc was worried that I was not getting better. I developed stomach probs and could not eat,
was full all the time. Lost 30 pounds in two months. That was diagnosed as inflammation of stomach lining. Thing that began to strike me was that my
disease, when I finally accepted it and didn't fight it anymore, was making me a "better" person. I would fall in love with people on the street! I
had way more compassion then ever. Love would just seem to pour out of me. I would also cry very easily and could not control it.
One day, at the library I came across a book by Dr. Greenwell, "Energies of Transformation". Although I had long ago given up Kundalini work, I was
almost forced to check it out, the book was practically glued to my hand. When I read it there was a match between Kundalini symptoms and my "disease"
symptoms. So I had a revelation! All this stuff that has been happening to me might be the result of Kundalini activation! I researched more about
Kundalini and the more I found, the more I became convinced. I started to meditate more, started a sit down type of Hatha yoga because I couldn't do
the regular yoga anymore that I had been doing for the past six years and Reiki healings, receiving and giving. Again I started to have the seizures,
hard at first with chills going up my spin to the back of my neck. The strength of them has lessened with time but they tend to twist my body
around, I don't fight it now but just let it happen. I also have had experiences where the familiar drive home looks totally unfamiliar! I don't
know where I am! I wasn't that scared but went with it until I began to become aware of where I was again. Has this happened to anyone?
There is a possibility that I now have the FMS for the rest of my life as well as Kundalini activation that could have started it all. I am not sure.
I have joined this list for help and comfort in the knowledge that I am not crazy, or if I am, there are others out there with the same kind of
craziness and are willing to share their advice, experiences and opinions. Hoping that I have found it, , Julie
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