1998/08/17 05:42
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #571
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 571
Today's Topics: Re: Fear (Kristen) [ kristinATnospamaol.com ]
Re: new and happy!!!! [ Anurag Goel ] Re: How to say? [ Abacus ]
Re: new and happy!!!! [ Mystress Angelique Serpent ] Re: Hello [ starjunkyATnospamuswest.net ]
Re: Fear (Kristen)(Kristin) [ kristinATnospamaol.com ] Questions? [ Ktm369ATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Fear (Kristen) [ fredaann2ATnospamjuno.com (freda ann) ] Re: Fear (Kristen) [ kristinATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Address and Info on Monroe Inst. [ Matthew Resmer ] Re: out of body question [ "guy johnson"
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In a message dated 8/16/98 11:38:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, nancyATnospamwtp.net
writes:
>But here's what I've discovered. I am not me because of what project I'm
working >on, just like you are not you because of your skiing. My creativity, your
skiing >is an outlet for us to express who we really are. It's a subtle difference,
but >this is so important.
Skiing is an express of who I am, and I express myself through skiing. I also
express myself through all my other sports, and also my poetry, but its different, different feelings and a different expression.
>I once had a business that I was very attached to. No matter what happened, I
>would never give it up. I had to have some things happen that made it impossible
>for me to continue. It was very, very painful to let it go.
That is kinda like my skiing. I am not letting go yet, but later I will.
>You are not skiing because you want to be #1. You know that, I know that. You are
>skiing because it's an expression of who you are and the love you feel. This is
>wonderful. Stay in that place.
If I was skiing to be number one, then I know its time for me to stop skiing, and that I am doing the wrong thing. I ski for my love it. I don't really care
what happens in a race. I have fluctuated in a race year from last to first, and all around. I never get mad or upset at they way I finished, as long as I
went down that hill the best I could, and I had fun, and loved it, if I did not have fun, I would stop right there. I remember last year, in the 96-97
race season, my knee was a mess, and hurt no matter what I did. I went to every race, trained everyday. Most days training I would end up crying at the
end cause of the pain I was in, but each and every run, and being able to be on my skis, made me happy, and I was still loving it even though I would end
up crying. I remember winning a super g race (my best event) and then in the finish grabbing my knee and sobbing cause of the pain, but when I was coming
down the coarse, it was so much fun, and I loved every second of it, and felt great. I must admit some of my friends thought I was crazy, but I was still
loving it, right to the day I was carried off.
>I know that some will tell you that you shouldn't have such attachment to skiing.
>You should find the same joy in washing dishes. Well, I've never, ever found this
>to be true for me. We are human beings with our individual likes and dislikes. I
>hate dishes and cleaning. I love writing and computers. You know yourself.
I have many other things I enjoy, and am attach to, but nothing compares to the skiing, and I know I wont have skiing my whole life, but as I do, I am
going to love every second of it till I can't anymore.
Kristin Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 01:37:42 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel To: jane
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: new and happy!!!!
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Jane that was great. Jane these r such nice words and emotions. It just
felt great reading ur e-mail. I also have learned a lot frm this list.
Love and Light, Anurag
On Sun, 16 Aug 1998, jane wrote:
> wow is all i can say right now. i love this list! i'm not even sure how
> i found you all but part of me is home. Home, home on the webbbbbb. > OK....sorry. What a poor introduction.
> > i love what i've been reading the past few days and simply wanted to say
> hello. my name is jane and i am thrilled to be here listening, learning, > and delighted to have found you all.
> > just jane
> >
> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:04:30 -0500
From: flute To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com"
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Yes.. The Monroe Instuitute is fantastic..
My partner in Reiki Teachings has done Gateway and the Soul Retrieval one. He comes home with all the
different tapes.. The concept is that we are all vibrations.. and if you play a vibration in one ear that is not normally heard
and another vibration in the other ear then you are able to hear the vibrations and it alters your vibrations.
Also is a Kundalini Opening/awakening experience. The vibrations can take you to the Theta Level of awareness or consciousness and
that is where you get the messages and all the paranormal stuff happens. That's where Reiki happens too. So we use the tapes in our Reiki
Classes. cool yes?
love, flute
http://www.create.org/healingarts WHOLE LIFE EXPO Austin Booth #614
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:23:58 +0100 From: Abacus
To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" Subject: Re: How to say?
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> real pranava is supposed to be the carrier-wave > of the Creation, not just a sound; a vibration of a basic principle produces
> manifestation of objects, beings, all relative. Om is, in its essence, the > power of creation by word.
AUM = Logos = 3 termed proportion [a:b :: b:a+b] that
bestows life. There is only one *number* that satisfies the above equation.
A : Brahma (Creative)
U : Vishnu (Preserver) M : Shiva (Destroyer)
A : Quality
U : Static Quality M : Dynamic Quality
A : U + M
U : A - M M : A - U
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:27:23 -0700 From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
To: Anurag Goel Cc: jane , kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Reading posts like these is part of my joy and delight, at tending this beautiful garden of unfolding flowers. Thank you All!!
You found us, coz Goddess drew you here, following a light We keep shining in the fog... welcome.
At 01:37 AM 17/08/98 +0530, Anurag Goel wrote:
>It just >felt great reading ur e-mail. I also have learned a lot frm this list.
>On Sun, 16 Aug 1998, jane wrote: >> wow is all i can say right now. i love this list! i'm not even sure how
>> i found you all but part of me is home. >> hello. my name is jane and i am thrilled to be here listening, learning,
>> and delighted to have found you all. Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:35:47 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent To: "Evelyn Niedbalec"
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Address and Info on Monroe Inst.
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Welcome.
The plug was kewl, it is good to share what you have found useful to your path.
The blast of your enthusiasm even better! Yummy. True, many disciplines sharing their knowledge openly without rejecting
each other's paths is a grand and rare thing. Very Wonderful, that it happens in this cyberspace. Hooray!
The list is publicly archived, so if you feel the impulse to forward a list posting someplace where it will be useful, feel free, unless it has
at the top, which makes it unarchivable, private to the list.
At 11:42 AM 16/08/98 PDT, Evelyn Niedbalec wrote:
>Sorry to give this massive plug right at the outset of my joining here, have noticed that most of the spiritual
>groups seem rather cut off from each other, with different terminology >for the same thing, and little knowledge of each other.
If you need more info, feel free to write to me at
kundalini-l-ownerATnospamexecpc.com Love and electric blue K. fire, List Mystress.
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******************************* Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:53:42 -0600
From: nancy To: kristinATnospamaol.com, kundalini-1
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kristinATnospamaol.com wrote yesterday:
> At the same time though I am scared to return > and hide my fears, cause I know my knee might not hold up, and that, I will be
> left with facing all these pains that I have tried to hide. > While I am trying to deal with all of this....my coaches keep applying more
> pressure, and frustration everything. I know the fist time back training, I > wont be number one, I will have to work and fight to get there.
> kristinATnospamaol.com wrote today:
> If I was skiing to be number one, then I know its time for me to stop skiing,
> and that I am doing the wrong thing. I ski for my love it. ... > I have many other things I enjoy, and am attach to, but nothing compares to
> the skiing, and I know I wont have skiing my whole life, but as I do, I am > going to love every second of it till I can't anymore.
Do you see the shift and power that you made today? Yesterday you were in fear
and panic. Today you know exactly why you are skiing and who you are skiing for (and it's not for your choaches!) Meanwhile, you are battling off everyone who
even remotely suggests that it's time to hang up your skis.
When the fear returns, remember what it feels like to be in this place. You are a warrior and champion, Kristin, no matter how you ski!
Best wishes to you,
Nancy
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 04:39:37 -0600 From: starjunkyATnospamuswest.net
To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" Subject: Re: Hello
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Paul Torres wrote:
> I apologize for my abscence, but my mind has been occupied for a > while. I also have just had my wisdom teeth removed a week ago.
> I am experiencing some very extreme highs and lows at this time. I am > at a valley right now, but I should soon be lifted again, for a while at
> least. I have had a bunch of things to deal with this past week, and I > am not sure when I will see the light at the end of the tunnel, or so to
> speak. I got kicked off of the mailing list, because I haven't read > e-mail for a while. I let the e-mails pile up until my account was full,
> it then rejected the rest of the mails recieved, and so I got kicked off > of the list.
> With any luck, though, I will be back on soon, but would you do me a > favor and send my apology to the list, I feel bad that this has
> happened. I really enjoyed being a part of this list, and it would be a > shame if I couldn't get back on.
> > This is to the list C/O Starjunky.
Peace
>
>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:39:59 EDT From: kristinATnospamaol.com
To: nancyATnospamwtp.net, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Fear (Kristen)(Kristin)
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In a message dated 8/16/98 2:47:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, nancyATnospamwtp.net writes:
>Do you see the shift and power that you made today? Yesterday you were in
fear >and panic. Today you know exactly why you are skiing and who you are skiing
for >(and it's not for your choaches!) Meanwhile, you are battling off everyone
who >even remotely suggests that it's time to hang up your skis.
Anytime someone says to hang up my skis its sparks something....I think that's
the only thing someone has to say to me to push my button, other than that they can say what ever. I am still kinda in a panic, but my button was pushed
and I sparked. Something about that, always have been like that w ith my skiing since I have been five I think.
Kristin Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:02:58 EDT
From: Ktm369ATnospamaol.com To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Questions? Message-ID:
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I am very new to Kundalini,and would like to learn more about it. Where/how
can I accomplish this? I live in N.Y.C.,so I'm presuming this should not be to difficult.Are there any books?Kindly inform me of their names. Thank you
kay Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:17:32 -0700
From: fredaann2ATnospamjuno.com (freda ann) To: kristinATnospamaol.com
Cc: carreaATnospamvideotron.ca, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Fear (Kristen)
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>The feelings I get when I am on my skis is something different, and nothing
can replace. Nothing gives me the adrenaline rush before a race, or the butterflies in my stomach when I know I am running next. Nothing like the
feeling when I am in the gate, and all fears and butterflies go away, and only
one thing is on my mind, and that is to attack that course lying in front off
me, and show the hill who is control. Nothing can ever replace any of those
feelings. No one can really understand the feelings either, unless they have
also experienced it. Kristin>
incredible, here ya go again, whinning, not really looking for help,
couldnt get help from any of us anyway,,,,, you are too, too, above any of US....
This last statement, "No one can really understand the feelings either, unless they have
also experienced it." nonesense,
the feelings YOU- feel up there- at the beginning of the race, are NO more special, or different than what we MEre NON-skiing mortals feel
when we do what brings us joy,,,,,,or when we face fear, or adrenalin flow,,,,,
you have rejected most every suggestion from this list,,,,,, just as before,,,,,
not that you are not special or unique,,,,, you are,,,,
but for heavens sake just cause you ski, and you are/were # 1 doesnt make
you above the rest of us in your trials and tribulations,,,,,, experience is experience,,,,,
ever consider just counting your blessings ya got a whole month to do so,,,,,
or you could whine for a month, while ya wait to see if you can ski at all....
freda
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:56:52 EDT From: kristinATnospamaol.com
To: fredaann2ATnospamjuno.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Fear (Kristen)
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In a message dated 8/16/98 5:14:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, fredaann2ATnospamjuno.com writes:
>incredible, here ya go again, whinning, not really looking for help,
>couldnt get help from any of us anyway,,,,, you are too, too, above any >of US....
To tell you the truth..I don't believe, or feel that I am above anyone right
now, and have never. For most of my life, or almost all of it, I have felt like the dirt people have walked on. I have never felt any where near being
higher/above anyone..Latley with some other shit in my life, I have felt even worse, like I don't belong here. So I tried to focus on one thing, the only
thing I really felt I had in my life, and that was skiing, but as I did that I realized I was hiding again, and other fears got brought back up.
>This last statement,
>"No one can really understand the feelings either, unless they have >also experienced it."
>nonesense, >the feelings YOU- feel up there- at the beginning of the race, are NO
>more special, or different than what we MEre NON-skiing mortals feel >when we do what brings us joy,,,,,,or when we face fear, or adrenaline
>flow,,,,,
What I said came across wrong. What I tried to say, is that its hard for people to understand what skiing is for me, and what it does. Until you walk
in my shoes you can't truly understand, yes parts you can, but other parts no, you may have your opinion about some of my feelings with you don't understand,
that's reasonable.
>you have rejected most every suggestion from this list,,,,,, just as >before,,,,,
Yes, the one about hanging up my skis, its just not possible for me at this
moment, maybe later, but now. Any other suggestions in which I have rejected please share with me.
>not that you are not special or unique,,,,, you are,,,,
I wish I felt that way or knew.
Kristin
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:09:36 +1000
From: Matthew Resmer To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com Subject: Re: Address and Info on Monroe Inst.
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Evelyn Niedbalec wrote: >
Just as some extra info for those interested :
The Monroe Institude sell CD's / tapes that have special stereo sound
recorded on them. The idea is that you have one frequency going into the left ear ... and at the same time a frequency going into the right ear
which is a particular harmonic to the left one. This sets up in your head what is called binaural beats ie : "extra" pulses of sound inside
your head which can actually be positioned (or moving) in various places within your skull.
The purpose of this is to gain various synchronization levels between
the two brain hemispheres. The idea is that depending on the frequencies you can induce particular brain states ie : alpha beta delta or theta.
I've tried a couple of them out and they are a good meditation aid (if
not somewhat expensive). Anyone interested in trying a sample can download one from their page.
A company called Hemi-Sync also sells similar products (can't remember
their address but a quick search will easily find it).
Cya!
Matt Date: 17 Aug 98 03:28:57 +0000
From: "Paul West" To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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kristin,
Darlin', I think you need a holiday. Might I suggest skiing?
;)
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 02:08:50 EDT
From: kristinATnospamaol.com To: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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In a message dated 8/16/98 8:59:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk writes:
< Darlin', I think you need a holiday. Might I suggest skiing? >>
Thanks Paul, I agree!!! Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 03:08:33 EDT
From: F19AshATnospamaol.com To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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hi everyone!
I have a question for you all about out-of-body experiences. I had mentioned a couple of weeks ago an experience i had in which I was laying down, ready
for bed, but couldnt sleep. I then consentrated on making my "body float" and felt such vibrations that are usually felt before an out-of-body experience, i
was then told by several people on the list. But I felt uneasy about this vibration, since i did not know what it was exactly, so I concentrated on
making it stop so i could learn what it was before have such an experience again. Well, like I said, I was told I almost had an out-of-body experience,
and I shouldnt be uneasy about it. So I tried to make the vibrations start again a couple nights later and they did. But instead of me "leaving my
body", I only felt sort of light and numb (esp. in the fingers) and nothing else happened. Since this, I have tried repeatedly to experience something
beyond the vibrations etc, but I have had no luck. Plus, it seems that the vibrations are getting weaker when I try it. Does anyone have an explination
why, even when i am very willing and have no fear, that nothing happens? Why are the vibrations diminishing? Once again, thank you for any response.
Love and light, blessed be! Emily ("M")
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:52:49 +0100 From: "jb"
To: "K. list" Subject: DIY brainwave synchronizer
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There is nothing mysterious about tapes/CD's with sounds that can alter one's state of awareness. With a simple to use program like Cool Edit
(at http://www.syntrillium.com )you can make your own, probably at a much lower price.
Happy tinkering with sound,
Jan
From the help index:
Brainwave Synchronizer
With the Brainwave Synchronizer (/Transform/Special menu), you can modify
stereo files to produce sounds that when listened to with stereo headphones can put the listener into any desired state of awareness. For example, by
listening to waved files, you can easily achieve states such as deep sleep, theta meditation, or alpha relaxation. Because of the nature of this
function, it only works on Stereo waveform data, and to be effective, must be listened to with stereo headphones. The Wave function spatially locates
the audio left and right, in a circular pattern over time. In order to spatially encode the signal, either the left or right channel is delayed so that
the sounds will appear at each ear at different times, tricking the brain into thinking they are coming from either side. When this is done at
frequencies of 3Hz and above, the brain will start synchronizing at the same frequency, increasing its output of Delta, Theta, Alpha, or Beta
frequencies.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 05:01:55 PDT
From: "guy johnson" To: F19AshATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: out of body question Message-ID:
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Sometimes trying, or having an expectation of what will occur,( ie the vibrations will increase and then you will leave your physical body, in
what ever way you picture it) can get in the way. This sort of mind involvement sits hard on energy which needs lightness of mind to expand.
I find if I simply take great pleasure in whatever energetic thing is going on, (like your buzzing fingers, I love those..) then I don't get
into the control issue, and go where I go when I go there. It isn't mine to dicatate, more an allowance and detached awareness which I do my
best to trust unconditionally. Love your process, however it unfolds. with love to you and your process, katrina
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>hi everyone! >I have a question for you all about out-of-body experiences. I had
mentioned >a couple of weeks ago an experience i had in which I was laying down,
ready >for bed, but couldnt sleep. I then consentrated on making my "body
float" and >felt such vibrations that are usually felt before an out-of-body
experience, i >was then told by several people on the list. But I felt uneasy about
this >vibration, since i did not know what it was exactly, so I concentrated
on >making it stop so i could learn what it was before have such an
experience >again. Well, like I said, I was told I almost had an out-of-body
experience, >and I shouldnt be uneasy about it. So I tried to make the vibrations
start >again a couple nights later and they did. But instead of me "leaving
my >body", I only felt sort of light and numb (esp. in the fingers) and
nothing >else happened. Since this, I have tried repeatedly to experience
something >beyond the vibrations etc, but I have had no luck. Plus, it seems that
the >vibrations are getting weaker when I try it. Does anyone have an
explination >why, even when i am very willing and have no fear, that nothing
happens? Why >are the vibrations diminishing? Once again, thank you for any
response. >Love and light, blessed be!
>Emily ("M") >
>
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