1998/08/13 21:34
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #565
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 565
Today's Topics:
Re: The wizard [ cosmic energy <sciATnospamnde.vsnl.net.in> ]
Re: How to say? [ cosmic energy <sciATnospamnde.vsnl.net.in> ]
Re: aura? [ cosmic energy <sciATnospamnde.vsnl.net.in> ]
Re: The wizard [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Programming [ "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: How to say? [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: How to say? [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.co ]
Fear [ WEIVODAATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Aging [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
Re: How to say? [ "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: Apology for intolerance [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
Re: How to say? [ onarresATnospaminreach.com ]
Re: How to say? [ "Ah Q" <ah__qATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: Programming [ flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net> ]
Re: Fear [ DruoutATnospamaol.com ]
Re: How to say? [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: Apology for intolerance [ "carrea" <carreaATnospamvideotron.ca> ]
Individuality [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
unsubscribe [ MoonrisempATnospamaol.com ]
discernment [ trexisATnospamjuno.com (Edward Gurd) ]
Re: How to say? [ "carrea" <carreaATnospamvideotron.ca> ]
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:02:21 +0500
From: cosmic energy <sciATnospamnde.vsnl.net.in>
To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: The wizard
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Maharashi Ramana also clearly said: in silence try to know >>>>>" Who I am
? "<<<<<
a. These wonderful clothing in which we are wrapped around, OR
b. This mind, a chatter box OR
c. Beyond this .
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Veda, the sacred book of Hindus (in fact Ary) says very clearly :
>>>" AHAM BRAHMASI "<<< (I am all in all, the God, the supreme being)
With love and regards.
Ms. Seema
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At 09:19 AM 8/12/98 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 8/6/1998 5:19:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>janbarenATnospaminfase.es writes:Jan: Ramana Maharshi didn't have a guru
initiation, yet he awakened many...The guru initiation opens the door to
the question: Who initiated the first guru? The 'inner guru' did, as was
the case with Ramana Maharshi and many others. Ramana Maharshi used the
analogy with fuel: some fuel will burn slowly, some fuel has to be dried
first and some fuel will burn quickly and without smoke (no problems with
K. whatsoever). So he himself belonged to the rare class of self-igniting
and smokeless fuel. His remarks prove he was an (auto) initiate of K. and
many of his devotees experienced K. awakening.
> >>
>
>Harsha: Yes. Beautifully put by Jan. Who is the True Guru? It is the Self.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:25:01 +0500
From: cosmic energy <sciATnospamnde.vsnl.net.in>
To: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: How to say?
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Every letter, every action produces motion in cosmos, in turn produces
different energy fields of different intensity. Mantra or Symbols are
nothing but collection of letters or figures selected by ancestors and
passed on to the generation ahead. This way collected words/mantra found
place in books. Now there are more than 130 books (which we know in India
and there may be many many more elsewhere) on Mantra, Yantra & Tantra. Word
like "OM" chanted in different tones,situations produce different amazing
energy fields.
The topic is vast and so conclude saying
>>what you say is correct<<.
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At 09:37 PM 8/12/98 +0530, you wrote:
yes very true seema wat u said about the mantra. Even kundalini word
>itself is a mantra. Wat do u say?
Seema i >think< one can write any sound in devanagri script. { with
required politeness - NO }
Glow on face and sparkle in eyes. Don't have worry abt common cold,mild
fever, or cuts. Can feel cuts healing when in meditation. balanced mind.L
&LAnurag
>
>On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, cosmic energy wrote:
No language in the world is perfect. There are 45 alphabets in Hindi and
you will not find their equivalent either in English or German or Arabic or
anyother language .Similarly alphabets of other languages do not have an
equivalent in Hindi . Even if we learn a foreign language , it gets
difficult to twist the tongue as required, being habit from birth. So if
one cannot pronunce the word 'Kundalini" properly, how does it matter.
Yes, in 'mantra' the phoenetic pronounciation must be correct otherwise the
sound waves produced may have a different or no effect . Now will some
friends inform the positive effects that Kundalini awakening brought in
their day- to-day life. Ms. Seema I yr Student of Psychology
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:28:23 +0500
From: cosmic energy <sciATnospamnde.vsnl.net.in>
To: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: aura?
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Respected Liz(singnalfire):
We sense aura only for healing patients suffering from different mental and
physical DIS-eases, to encourage the promising youth and very rare to
quench the thirst of intellectuals. Reply to your questions, please find
below in serial order.
regards,
Ms. Seema
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At 03:13 PM 8/12/98 -0400, you wrote:
{1} >>Can<< you read my aura and if so what do you note?
REPLY-- To sense the aura 'thoroughly', a photograph is required please.
{2} Is it preferable for it to be uniform in size?
REPLY-- Yes, except at few places . For example cerebral cortex,
neo-cortex, pineal, hippocampus ---- here increase or decrease is related
to different development of mind faculties.
For example a lady in India is known as Computer, her cc is ten times
larger than her health aura. A 10 year boy here passed his graduation with
flying colours, reason - his cc and nc is 7 times larger than his health aura.
Then again very recently much researched part of brain by modern medical
science is "Amygdala". Aura size clearly reveals the reactive nature
of a person.
{3} What does it indicate to have a deeper aura?
REPLY -- It pertains to all layers of aura.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:39:39 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: sciATnospamnde.vsnl.net.in
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: The wizard
Message-ID: <71bf61d7.35d308bcATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 8/13/1998 8:30:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
sciATnospamnde.vsnl.net.in writes:
<< Maharashi Ramana also clearly said: in silence try to know >>>>>" Who I am
? "<<<<<
a. These wonderful clothing in which we are wrapped around, OR
b. This mind, a chatter box OR
c. Beyond this . >>
Harsha: The Knowledge of Self is not based on passing a multiple choice test
:--). Let the great Sage's teaching seep into you. What does it mean? In
silence Know the Silence of the Self. That Silence is perpetual and permeates
all words and all worlds.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:06:42 PDT
From: "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, fluteATnospamtexas.net
Subject: Re: Programming
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YOU.. you
>are just a puppet. TV creates a "I WANT" situation with the
>advertisements. (ack! If one more person asks me how I feel about
>Beanie Babies, I'll scream)
> Try using the words I am, I will, I can, I choose.. instead of I need
>or want.. and watch the reality change.
>Flute in her own reality.. and loving it.
beanie babies are evil incarnate ;)
(not understanding the being who would pay 90$ for a stupid-looking
green bear)
--jt
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:22:12 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: cosmic energy <sciATnospamnde.vsnl.net.in>
cc: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: How to say?
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> Seema i >think< one can write any sound in devanagri script. { with
> required politeness - NO }
Seema i think u and i have to search the depths for it. But there is a
script in which u can write any sound. Will tell u after i enquire abt it.
L & L
anurag
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:04:58 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: How to say?
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At 22:22 1998.08.13 +0530, you wrote:
>
>> Seema i >think< one can write any sound in devanagri script. { with
>> required politeness - NO }
>
>Seema i think u and i have to search the depths for it. But there is a
>script in which u can write any sound. Will tell u after i enquire abt it.
>
>L & L
>anurag
Sure there is. Listen to the sound your modem makes when you're dialing up,
and then write it down and send it to me, and I'll bow. :)))
Oh, even better, can you write down the sound of one hand clapping? ;)))
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:19:09 EDT
From: WEIVODAATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Fear
Message-ID: <47f4e385.35d32e1eATnospamaol.com>
Hi list,
Right now I am trying to return to ski racing after my knee injury. It has
been really hard, and mentally and physically exhausting . . . My Coaches keep
calling me saying I am the best. They know when I return that I will and can
beat everyone . . . I also know that myself. Only thing though, it is so
frustrating knowing I can, but I am afraid to. Cause of my injury, and I do
not want and have to go through everything again . . . It's the hardest thing
working through the fear, and trying to get my mind back in my killer, and
focus mood. Right now the fear has had in-gulped me. Nevertheless, I am
trying to break through it to be the best that I can, and know how to be . . .
Just a hard struggle, that I am trying to conquer and win. It's kinda eating
me alive.
Im scared to ski, scared for the speed, falling and everything else, and with
the fear I know I can't ski my best, and be the best...Right now, what I want
most is to return, but I afraid, and I am not to sure how to handle this all,
or how to break through the fear.
Confused and Lost,
Kristin
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:30:46 +0200
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: <fluteATnospamtexas.net>, <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Cc: <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Subject: Re: Aging
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Flute:
>We are constantly
>changing our cells regenerate constantly. So why is there aging? I think
>this just might be another reality that does not relate itself to the
>created society forms. What do you think? Is there a possibly that
>there is really no Old Age? Only that which we accept? Did you notice
>that K awakened people have a different look about them?
>
Jason: I'll give it a try: Aging is an aspect of psychological time which
our bodies are built to travel through. The Self exists in all time and
beyond time, including within our bodies. It doesn't age. The Alchemists
are said to find the Elixer of Life at the end of their Master Work giving
eternal life. This could be restated as achieving the ability to place
awareness on the Self. All successful spiritual seeking culminates in this
ability. I would guess that if you become able to place all of "your"
awareness fixedly on the Self, "you" would live eternally and be able to
travel through time, beyond time, etc. So, there is only aging in the
aspect of Self our bodies travel through. Does awareness age?
I think the "different" look of awakened people is due to better health and
vitality (or sometimes poorer health) caused by stirred or increased energy.
The sparkle in the eye...
My understanding of time is rather limited, so other list members should
jump in here. And, I should invoke the Lobster. He is a well-known time
traveller. Hey LOBSTER! LOBSTER! Here Lobby, Lobby, Lobby! I'll leave
the original quote from Aleister as bait. ;)
>> "In biology the cell divides endlessly, but never becomes anything
>> different; but if we unite cells of opposite qualities, male and female,
we
>> lay the foundations of a structure whose summit is unattainably fixed in
the
>> heavens of imagination.
>>
>> "Similar facts occur in chemistry. The atom by itself has few constant
>> qualities, none of them particularly significant; but as soon as an
element
>> combines with the object of its hunger we get not only the ecstatic
>> production of light, heat, and so forth, but a more complex structure
having
>> few or none of the qualities of its elements, but capable of further
>> combination into complexities of astonishing sublimity. All these
>> combinations, these unions, are Yoga."
>>
>> -Aleister Crowley
>
>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:32:02 PDT
From: "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, dturinaATnospamhempseed.com
Subject: Re: How to say?
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>Sure there is. Listen to the sound your modem makes when you're dialing
up,
>and then write it down and send it to me, and I'll bow. :)))
>Oh, even better, can you write down the sound of one hand clapping?
;)))
no but my fuzzy turtle can, and the clapping trees sing along everytime.
its really annoying....
--jt
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:37:12 +0200
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: "Ron Grimes" <HPRGRIMEATnospamihc.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Apology for intolerance
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Ron:
>I guess I should apologize to those who were offended by
>my comments (quoted below). I was merely expressing
{snip}
>>But I think even beyond food, I have noticed that I can
>>no longer tolerate the thoughts of cruelty and violence.
>>This means that the action movies I used to enjoy I
>>cannot watch any longer. I find that it greatly disturbs
>>me to see our society's love affair with violence, whether
>>that be in real life or just in the movies. There is a verse
>>that states something to the effect that God cannot dwell
>>in an unclean body. I now understand that the greatest
>>"uncleanness" comes from what we choose to watch or
>>listen to. Much of the non-sense our society thrives on is
>>greatly offensive to our spirits.
Jason: Many people are looking for reasons to be offended. What you
expressed, I experience also and agree with 100%. Most of the
"entertainment" peddled by in the mainstream is quite unappealing to me now.
I don't think it should be banned, but it speaks of the current condition of
the spirit of humankind. It is something that each individual needs to work
through as you and I (and I suspect most others here) have already. This
cannot be done by repressing some supposed "bad" influence.
Humankind (or maybe just mankind, it's not true of most of the womankind I
know) is fascinated by violence. We are warriors by nature, but the
mainstream has long ago lost track of the fight worth fighting. The warrior
nature has to express itself. That is our command. The answer is for each
individual to look for and pursue the most worthy fight. For me, this is
the fight against ignorance and limited perception in myself. And the way
to win is usually to "not fight it."
And I like what Angelique said:
"The moments of your life are ticking down, as you watch TV... someday it
will be over, and you will look back and think of how you spent your time
incarnate."
Reality is not happening on that glowing bulb. And not even in your mind!
So if people are offended, well... it's your time incarnate.
May all your days be filled with acceptance of body, mind, soul and spirit.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:14:50 -0700
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com
To: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: How to say?
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>Oh, even better, can you write down the sound of one hand clapping? ;)))
Only if you are an ex-hippie and can snap your fingers - heh heh, couldn't
resist that, sorry!
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:46:47 PDT
From: "Ah Q" <ah__qATnospamhotmail.com>
To: dturinaATnospamhempseed.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, onarresATnospaminreach.com
Subject: Re: How to say?
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>>>Oh, even better, can you write down the sound of one hand clapping?
;)))
>>Only if you are an ex-hippie and can snap your fingers - heh heh,
>(*)< just calp my left hand...
A Seeker.
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:05:47 -0500
From: flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net>
To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
CC: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Programming
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Harsha.. I love your brillance.. giggling you agree with me..
Words have a vibration and the vibration is a manifestation in our
minds.. The thought becomes a form in words without being written..
Strangely enough, there is a bible quote that says.."In the beginning
was the Word and the word was with God and God was the word.. then there
is the Jewish.. HEAR O Israel.. implying a word has been spoken.
Love,
flute
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:25:06 EDT
From: DruoutATnospamaol.com
To: WEIVODAATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Fear
Message-ID: <c651df13.35d375d3ATnospamaol.com>
Dear Kristin and list,
True story! Right after reading Kristin's note about fear, I decided to
browse Amazon.com., and for curiosity's sake hit the "recommended" books for
me.
Guess what turned up # 1. Krishnamurti's "On Fear"!
I haven't read this book of his. Is there anyone out there who has? And is
it relevant to Kristin's problem?
Synchronisity strikes again.
Love, Hillary
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 05:46:59 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: How to say?
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On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, Danijel Turina wrote:
>
> Sure there is. Listen to the sound your modem makes when you're dialing up,
> and then write it down and send it to me, and I'll bow. :)))
> Oh, even better, can you write down the sound of one hand clapping? ;)))
Haven't u listen to atoms......... who clapped along with my single hand.
Love,
Anurag
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:39:10 -0400
From: "carrea" <carreaATnospamvideotron.ca>
To: "Ron Grimes" <HPRGRIMEATnospamihc.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Apology for intolerance
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>I will be more careful in future posts so as to not step on
>other people's lifestyle choices and sensibilities.
>
>- Ron
Please do express yourself. It's worst not to, but wanting to. It comes out
one way or the other.
I will tell you if you hurt me Ron. Trust me. No need to be careful for me.
But what can i say, i like reading you. I like your spontaneity.
Antoine
Date: 14 Aug 98 03:10:37 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Individuality
Message-Id: <OUT-35D3AAAD.MD-1.0.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hello.
Since a few days ago when I started to get actual insights into there
being this thing I had blindy referred to as oneness and God,
something very new and very unpredicted is happening to me. I feel
that I am breaking away from everyone, from all attatchments, all
dependencies, and that it is me and me alone that is facing things. I
guess overall it is that I am suddenly becoming more of an individual.
In a way this is quite scary. Most of my life I've been pretty slow
and dosile - what you might refer to as `cool' - and there has always
been a great cloud of loyalty to everything and especially to my
parents. For maybe the first time yesterday I became able to view my
mother as a seperate person which is not something I had ever thought
about yet alone imagine it could be possible.
I think kundalini is having a hand in this. It if it not by way of its
guidance and suggestions of things to inquire into it is its direct
working on various energies in various parts of my body. Especially
last night when I sat down to `meditate' for a while there was much
more `sourceless electricity' than usual and especially they was a
tremendous jolt when I lay down to sleep unalike falling back into the
body.
I find it scary but also very intriguing that I might be an individual
person. I find myself starting to affirm that other people are
seperate. Somehow seperation seems to be the tool that I always hated.
Maybe though I was only afraid of the non-dependency that came with
it. Affirming that there is no connection between any `things' seems
to bring amount more of the nothingness, or uncover it at least. There
is more of a view of people in the here and now rather than through a
cloud of space and time. I think that for every characteristic of
reality there is a counterpart in illusion.
And more intriguing still, is the feeling, at its highest, that I
always was individual. That this obviously transcends chronological
time could be startling if it weren't also increasingly obvious that I
am seeing more of God in all things and that this eternity is the
origin and home of that transcendence. It's not like waking up for the
first time, it's like waking up to the experience of having always
been awake, even though according to the illusions of time this is not
the case.
I am getting an increasing feeling that whatever it is that I am
facing, it is me and only me that is doing it. Not that other people
aren't but I have no idea about that. It is, for a change, as though
the relationship between myself and the increasingly uncovered whole
is becoming much more personal, much more `one on one'. It feels like
I am letting go of the rails, unscrewing the stabilisers and going
into some dark place all on my while everyone else goes somewhere
else. And somehow that dark place has light but it's not a visible
light.
The suggestion that I depend on others and am loyal to them and that
this has always been the case, is something that keeps insisting on
coming up in my perception. At least it isn't there permanently
anymore, thank God. Psychological time seems to be the illusion's
counterpart of what time means in eternity, just as boundlessness has
a counterpart in finite space. And just as in the eternal self there
seems to be that experience that it has always been that way and
always will be, so too in the illusion there is the counterpart of the
continuum of spacetime in which everything seems familiar and even
though the thing is reborn each time it comes from the same seed so as
to appear that you never left it and that it is always there even when
you go away. It suggests that there is always some `other' hell state
that is being avoided, but that's the illusion.
I wonder if really, truly, this one-on-one experiece can ever be
communicated.
--
Paul.
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:52:59 EDT
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Hi everyone,
I am going to New Orleans for 6 days and will miss all the info but will
subscribe again when I get back.
Barbara
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 23:51:38 -0400
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Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: discernment
Message-ID: <19980813.235140.9230.1.trexisATnospamjuno.com>
Thanks for that incisive post. I've thought many times that people were
blinding themselves to the troubles in the world that needed hard work at
hand.
The happy yuppy white lighters move far far away from the poor,
negro/spanish,
the communities with crack cocaine problems, crime, violence, lack of
economic opportunity. Judgement with its common result of condemnation is
the quality of the lower harmonic of mankind. The higher harmonic is
wisedom and discernment. I think that in so many cases that wisedom and
discernment get thrown out with any lower ability of judgement.
But then again, this might just be my karma.
True discernment I always thought required a finer understanding of
"THE BIG PICTURE". I've held jobs with coworkers and supervisors whos
picture was as small as they could make it. They were only concerned
with the smallest process, the smallest work area, the smallest list of
responsibilities, the smallest time frame.
They saw the work they were doing as perfect and everyone else either in
conflict, or simply didn't see them at all. Many of these people
couldn't cooperate, or discern that their efforts being correct according
to laws or operating procedures were in direct opposition to other
workers or departments. Managers would rebuke me for asking what was
going on or explaining my perceptions or goals. "You're not here to tell
me what to think. You're here to be told what to do." -Dennis
Ron-
If a person wants to purge oneself of such things, then it is better to
work with people who have committed cruelty and violence, and help them
in whatever way possible to pull themselves out of such destructive
behavior. That is true karma yoga. To think that a person can purge
oneself of "judgments, condemnations, hatreds and prejudices" by
continuing to waste time watching such non-sense is a self-deception of
the highest order. It amounts to rationalization of a behaviour under the
guise of operating from a more enlightened point of view.
But, that certainly is the popular new-age mantra, "Everything is as it
should be right now." However, it is lacking in full understanding. Such
thinking leads us to tolerate cruelty and violence amongst us. I am
reminded of a saying by Alexander Pope:
"Vice is a monster of so frightful mien,
as to be hated, needs but to be seen.
Yet seen too oft, familiar with its face,
we first endure, then pity, then embrace."
That reminds me of a popular story. A priest walks up to the home of one
of his parishioners,
and notices him working in the garden. Trying to start a conversation,
the priest says, "That's
a mighty fine garden God has blessed you with." The man answers, "Yep,
but you should have seen
it when God had it all by Himself."
I believe the gardener was remarking that when God had the garden all by
Himself, there was no garden. It takes plenty of dilligence and sweat to
maintain a garden.
To laugh is to risk appearing a fool.
To weep is to risk appearing sentimental
To reach out to another is to risk involvement.
To expose your feelings is to risk rejection.
To place your dreams before the crowd is to risk ridicule.
To love is to risk not being loved in return.
<snip>
The greatest hazard in life is to risk nothing.
Only a person who dares to risk is free -unknown
"More light" writes Maureen Heffernan
We don't need more light. We just need to use it.
It only takes one candle to light a thousand rooms.
Carry the light into the darkness. Dare to be.
EG
I think I might have found this poem on the k-list and recorded only this
part as I only had four lines to cram it into. Does anyone know the rest
of the poem?
If so, please post.
John Heaton wrote:
> Too bad it's a popular story. It infers to me that we humans can only
crap things up...which
- Ron
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:18:00 -0400
From: "carrea" <carreaATnospamvideotron.ca>
To: "Ah Q" <ah__qATnospamhotmail.com>, <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>,
<kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, <onarresATnospaminreach.com>
Subject: Re: How to say?
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>>>>Oh, even better, can you write down the sound of one hand clapping?
>;)))
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>>>Only if you are an ex-hippie and can snap your fingers - heh heh,
>
>
>>(*)< just calp my left hand...
>
>
I could ear it, beautifull
Thanks
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