1998/08/09 12:10
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #553
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 553
Today's Topics:
re: the wizard [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.co ]
re: the wizard [ Antoine "Carré" <antcar2ATnospamyahoo.com> ]
re: the wizard [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.co ]
Re: the wizard [ Ron Grimes <rogrimeATnospamibm.net> ]
Re: Stupid Sanskrit Q [ "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com> ]
amnesty [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
Oneness [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 20:19:57 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: re: the wizard
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Hi Amckeon! :)
At 13:03 1998.08.08 -0600, you wrote:
>Danijel wrote:
>
>>Sai is pathetic as usual... except in one moment, split second,
>>when he saw me in the crowd, when the depth was felt in the eyes. Nothing
>>more. Basically, that lifted my spirit, I started thinking that the whole
>>thing has some sense, that I just didn't figure it out. One of the things
>>that apalled us was the use of the mantra Sai Ram. It is used for "good
>>day", "please", "thank you" and "fuck yourself asshole".
>
>That last line kills me :-). Even in the midst of despair you manage to
>throw in some humor.
Not much choice there, either that or I'd go nuts. :))
>Thank you for sharing your adventures with the list. I
>always did wonder what you saw in the fuzzy-headed one. He seemed fake to
>me from the start (not that I'm any kind of a "guru expert"). When I read
>that you had considered him your guru, I thought "Well, if Danijel is
>impressed, maybe there is something of value there."
Ehh... :( :) In retrospective, I really don't know why I thought so
myself... One of his books was involved in one of my milestone events, and
that's about it - none of his instructions were ever worth following, I was
always guided elsewhere... I don't know, it was probably wishful thinking
on my side. A wished to have a mental explanation for things - not that I
needed one, it's more that I thought that the others did. Basically, that
seems to be the essence of all my fuckups. :)
>Your disillusionment seems to have caused you some pain, but perhaps this
>was meant to be.
Well, it deffinitely rattled up my confidence in linear thinking and
similar things, I think it was all very useful.
>As for me, I have always been suspicious of "guruism,"
>having great problems with "authority" of any kind; my spirit is
>anachronistic I guess. I see very few people "above" me, all seem like
>siblings or children.
A good deffinition of a guru would be "a person who is so much fun to hang
out with that you want to bring 'em home". :)))
>Perhaps that makes me an asshole.
:)) I wouldn't think so, it probably makes you mature. :))
>I can't seem to
>change this. I am impressed now and then, though.
>
>You are exceptionally brilliant and funny, as are Angelique, Tg and
>Lobster, Harsha is an unending source of good humor, as is "Delirium." And
>you all have very deep wells of compassion. Perhaps it is the list itself
>which is my guru!
:) Well, this is a thought! The list deffinitely makes more sense than Sai
Baba. ;)))
>Anyhow, welcome back Danijel! I missed you, and was sorry to see you leave
>the list even for a little while, though I knew you would come back with a
>good story!
Thank you, Darling, nice to be back! :) :* :)
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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:48:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Antoine "Carré" <antcar2ATnospamyahoo.com>
To: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: AcarreATnospamconcentric.net
Subject: re: the wizard
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Hello Danijel,
> Not much choice there, either that or I'd go nuts. :))
I wonder if there is something rong with going nuts...
> Ehh... :( :) In retrospective, I really don't know why I thought so
> myself... One of his books was involved in one of my milestone
events, and
> that's about it - none of his instructions were ever worth
following, I was
> always guided elsewhere... I don't know, it was probably wishful
thinking
> on my side. A wished to have a mental explanation for things - not
that I
> needed one, it's more that I thought that the others did. Basically,
that
> seems to be the essence of all my fuckups. :)
I wonder what where the thoughts in Juda's mind, in the Bible, when he
turned against Jesus.
Your story is a nice one, helps me to go and look deeper into those
things.
Thank you.
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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 21:10:25 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: re: the wizard
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At 11:48 1998.08.08 -0700, you wrote:
>I wonder what where the thoughts in Juda's mind, in the Bible, when he
>turned against Jesus.
The same thoughts I would have had if I was wrong and Sai Baba was for
real... his lights have shut down, and he went to the nearest tree to hang
himself. I took that chance, on July the 12th, and I was right. Not only
that my lights didn't go out, the new ones went on. No such luck for Juda.
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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:20:13 -0600
From: Ron Grimes <rogrimeATnospamibm.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: the wizard
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Danijel Turina wrote:
> At 11:48 1998.08.08 -0700, you wrote:
> >I wonder what where the thoughts in Juda's mind, in the Bible, when he
> >turned against Jesus.
>
> The same thoughts I would have had if I was wrong and Sai Baba was for
> real... his lights have shut down, and he went to the nearest tree to hang
> himself. I took that chance, on July the 12th, and I was right. Not only
> that my lights didn't go out, the new ones went on. No such luck for Juda.
For a fascinating insight into Jesus and Judas Iscariot, read the book "The
Yoga of the Christ" by Ravi Ravindra.
- Ron
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 21:20:17 PDT
From: "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: dturinaATnospamhempseed.com, anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Stupid Sanskrit Q
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>
>That was a nice explanation by danijel.
>
>I will add something sadhana means a devoted effort by an inidividual
as a
>whole to become perfect in the act one is doing.
>
>All pujas mostly doesn't have mantra japa in it. But sadhans mostly
have
>mantra japa in it and that too a specified number of times.
>
>People who doesn't know abt about religion i tell them that i do puja.
So
>that they can get it a bit and also to avoid further questions.
cool. thanx guys. now it makes sense.
spin into ether,
lightrays of happiness
freedom from sorrow,
life equal to all.
dance to the song of the heavens and earth,
the stars play along with the howl
of the neighbor's dog.
(imagine a laughing figure pouring down lots of variagated jeweled lotus
flowers just for the sheer joy of it all)
maitri and namaste,
--janpa tsomo
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 07:43:35 +0100
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: "watkins" <serviceATnospamwatkinsbooks.com>,
"Wanda Jewasinski" <wjewasATnospamhotmail.com>,
"Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>,
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"Eric Via" <Eric.ViaATnospammci.com>,
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Subject: amnesty
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Date: 9 Aug 98 20:08:27 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Oneness
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Hi.
Just recently I seem to have started pushing though my fears and
attatchments and trying out that `love inanimate objects' thing. Best
left unsaid what I did with the cucumber but generally I am getting
very promising results. I guess mainly I started to realise about this
last night, although the process went unaknowledged. Today I have been
feeling very peaceul like there is love inside me. I don't mean like
some `thing' but that it pervades the whole of me. I feel very gentle.
I think that generally I am very posessive. Everything in the world
appears to me as an `other', something other than myself. I confine
everything to being an object. But I am starting to see that the label
is not the actual thing. The cursing of the world that tries to force
the suggestion that things are seperate objects, is not the same as
the thing it is being forced up.
Normally I will be in denial and avoidance and while I am pondering
one thing I find myself withdrawing into little pockets of spacetime
like constantly rearranging the furniture but never throwing anything
out. Like I will walk up the stairs thinking about something and the
stairs is taken for granted. Or I spend some time doing what feel like
spiritual inquiry and then I snap out of it and go and get something
to eat, and the food is an `other'. Or the objects around me, even
this computer right now, I seem to insist is an other thing. In a way
possiveness seems practical because it's like everything is down to
necessity like a world of tools, those items of furniture.
I am trying to take no notice of the suggestions of things being other
than myself. The hereness that is coming about is not something I
asked for so I am not sure why it is here today, but it is. I feel
that if I push out through the mucky haze of the mind-blanket that I
am sort of trying to love God more, like he is behind it all. And it
seems almost like there is mutual interest. I feel more loved, like we
are moving to meet each other. It's hard, however, for me to do things
without taking a whole bunch of environmental aspects for granted, or
being very used to and familiar with things, and having habits and set
patterns and ways of doing things that supposedly shouldn't be
challenged. I don't quite know why I am afraid of change when change
is love. It's stubbornness' view of change that is scary, the ego's
view of it. And I think ego is that clingy attatching ownership thing.
Everything appears to be an object [of desire].
I wish there wasn't so much otherness in my outlook. It might make it
easier to enjoy life and to love it. I have wondered if I really love
anything at all. Instead of calling things names in some childish way
I am trying to look past all definitions and labels that I have and to
just try and love the things that are before me as if they are God,
and maybe they are. I am getting some idea now of why I've been called
a librarian before, as it is the way that I organise everything and
put labels on it all and account for it all. It may not be very
healthy for me to do that. Maybe there could come a point where I
could do away with otherness to such an extent that I sort of realise
that even I myself am just love. At least, that's what I wondered last
night, and I don't suppose the wonder has left.
Another thing I wish for is that I wasn't so aware of other people. It
is not an awake awareness, it is the paranoia of self-awareness.
Constantly at war with everyone. I don't even feel like I love my
family members. But I'm not unhappy about that, it doesn't make me sad
to say it because there is something new here now that's going to help
to sort this out. I think this all began when one day a tiny little
fly was flitting around me in the bathroom and I suddenly decided I
would not kill it. Whenever I see that fly or one of its kind I treat
it like God. Lord of the flies, ehehehehe. :-)
I'm just smiling now.
--
Paul.
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