1998/08/08 11:03
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #552
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 552
Today's Topics:
Re: Shaktiwhat? [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
3, Awesome, Quotes? [ "John Phillips" <maderasworldATnospamhotma ]
Re: Shaktiwhat? [ F19AshATnospamaol.com ]
Unidentified subject! [ "Ah Q" <ah__qATnospamhotmail.com> ]
How to say? [ "Kat" <KcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> ]
Re: Chi or K [ "Ah Q" <ah__qATnospamhotmail.com> ]
A Fish Story.(long) [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Re: How to say? [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Re: How to say? [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: your shaktipat explanation, my s [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: Stupid Sanskrit Q [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
RE: the envelop [ "jb" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es> ]
Now I can say it [ "Kat" <KcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> ]
Cockney Coondalini [ AfperryATnospamaol.com ]
Re: the envelop [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
re: the wizard [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Date: 3 Jan 78 11:54:47 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Shaktiwhat?
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Hi.
Would somebody please tell me in plain english what Shaktipat is? It
sounds like a triangular pie.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 11:28:11 PDT
From: "John Phillips" <maderasworldATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Subject: 3, Awesome, Quotes?
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3 Awesome Quotes:
God is Infinite Life. God is Boundless Love. God is Infinite
Intelligence. God is Unfathomable Wisdom. God is Unspeakable Beauty.
God is the Unchanging Principle of Perfect Good. God is the Soul of man.
Emmet Fox, Stake Your Claim
"Whenever we give help, we unfailingly see that the answer to all our
needs is already within the very situation we think is hurting us. By
becoming totally open and harmless, we see that there is no one who
cannot help us and no instant when we are not surrounded by God's love
and His guiding presence."-Gerald G. Jampolsky, MD, Teach Only Love
There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this
line. -Oscar Levant
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:18:09 EDT
From: F19AshATnospamaol.com
To: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Shaktiwhat?
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hahahaaha
see, everyone doesnt kno what these odd terms terms are, and in my opinion
doesnt need to....you just straightened my point...thanx
M
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 15:22:32 PDT
From: "Ah Q" <ah__qATnospamhotmail.com>
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Hi,
I joined the list a couple of weeks ago and the stuffs
are great and mind opening. I am no kundalite, just a seeker.
I have done some meditation, some chi kung. Not much.
One question that I hope someone on this list can enlighten me.
I have seen many people having spontaneous movements soon
after they start their chi kung practice. The masters explain them
as result of chi circulation. These movements are spontaneous, but
the mind can also exercise control. Usually the masters advise
students to to tone them down when they become too violent. Can I
equate
them with movements of kundalini? Are they also manifested in some
kundalini awakenings? Is there any connection between chi and
kundalini?
Blessings…
A seeker.
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:43:48 -0400
From: "Kat" <KcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: How to say?
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Hi All,
I have trouble with words. So I need to ask. How does one say the word
Kundalini? Keep in mind this is how I would expect words to be spelt.....
ketchup .......I would spell it catch up
Oh I am feeling a lot of Love today!!!!
In L&L & Understanding,
Katharine
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 16:28:07 PDT
From: "Ah Q" <ah__qATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com
Subject: Re: Chi or K
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Hi,
>>.. it sounds just like the "kriyas" common to
meditation, where the awakened kundalini purifies the seeker at all
levels including the physical body. ..<<
Seeker: Are Kriyas results of just meditation or of K being awakened?
>>...Spontaneous movements are common, ..<<
Seeker: How common?
I observe that as hight as 70% of students in chi kung classes have
them in their second or third sessions. My limited understanding is
that
K takes long practices to wake up. Is that caused by "shaktipat" from
the masters?
Thanks... Jim
Love ==> everyone.
A seeker.
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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:27:22 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: A Fish Story.(long)
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This story I first wrote for the list 24 Jun 1997. Feeling impulsed to
send it again.
********
Hello:
It has been on my mind lately, here and there and for this reason and for
that reason, to storytell a story of a woman and a fish.
Once there was a woman, (and that woman was me) who went to a personal
development course to further chart her path in life and take a look at
some things that were not working and why. One of the things that was not
working was her prosperity and happiness level. Her self esteem sucked, and
because of that low sense of self love she tended to attract bad events,
which made her feel even worse, which attracted more bad events..... each
time it got harder to pick up the bits of faith and start again.
Feeling stuck, she attended the course thru a mercy loan from a friend.
At this course, she learned to call a 'round and round like a rat in a
cage' pattern like that a "negative effect cycle". So she spotted the cycle
and knew from long ago that she 'attracts that which occurs', but
recognizing that she had the cycle only made her feel worse. She inwardly
browbeat herself for having the negative cycle and low self esteem in the
first place. It was something she considered herself "too spiritually
evolved" to have in her head.
Fortunately she realized what she was doing... the in-effectiveness of
continuing that thread of thought. It was simply more of the same cycle.
Shit! Feeling a bit trapped by her own mental behavior, she put up her hand
and when the microphone was brought to her, she stood and related to the
150 or so gathered in the room, the stuck place she was in. Then she sat
down and gave the mic. back.
The facilitator smiled, and related back to her an approximation of what
she had said, to be sure he and everyone had understood her clearly. He was
a sweet, wise, witty and wonderful fella by the name of Jim Sorenson.
Then he told a story about a fish.
A beautiful sleek, fat Northern Pike, predator fish of the cold northern
Canadian lakes. It looks like an alligator with fins, one quarter of it's
body is head, jaws and sharp teeth.. the rest fins and a body built for
speed, dark dappled green to hide it from unwary prey. No brain at all,
hardly. An almost purely instinctive creature.
This fish had not gotten away... it had been caught live, and was being
used in an experiment by a place of science that was studying the behavior
of fish.
They put it in a wide roomy tank, and dumped in lots of live minnows.
They watched as this fish -Zoomm- scooped up the minnows and ate them like
nothing. Swam straight at them and scooped them up un it's huge jaws,
swallowing them live while zooming after the next one. Nature's creature in
it's element, doing what it was meant to do.
The scientists took notes and made films of the speed of it, and it's
lunges at the minnows, and how it seemed to keep on eating as many minnows
as they put in the tank.
The more minnows it ate, the more energy it had to catch and eat minnows.
The Pike thrived. The experiment continued.
The scientists let the Pike eat all of the minnows in the tank. Then they
placed in the tank a tall cylinder of bulletproof plexiglass, taller than
the depth of the tank, and put the minnows inside of the cylinder.
The Pike saw the minnows and zoom- the famous lunge towards the bait that
has made it such a popular sporting fish.... WHAM!! as the Pike bounced off
the bulletproof glass...
The Pike seemed to give it's head a shake, and went after the minnows
again, a speedy lunge, and another reverberating recoil as the great fish
bounced off the transparent barrier between it and it's proper food. Again
and again it lunged, a kamikaze fish in it's lack of understanding the
simple barrier that blocked it. It's nose grew ragged, still it bravely
went after the minnows, half stunned by it's own efforts, bashed senseless
against the plexiglass, it still continued going after it's prey.
After days of struggle the tired hurt fish circled the invisible barrier,
only occasionally becoming desperate enough to try to get the minnows
again. Finally, it ignored the minnows altogether, swimming aimlessly
around the tank.
This was the point of the experiment the scientists were most interested
in. They removed the cylinder, and dumped in tons of minnows. They made
videos and took notes as the Pike continued to ignore the minnows. It's
instincts had been broken. It starved to death in that tank, surrounded by
schools of it's favorite food swimming freely within reach of the big sharp
jaws that nature had given it to survive.
**********************
Hearing this story made me angry.
ANGRY!!
Red and white hot rage filled my body, outrage that someone would dare to
take this beautiful sleek creature of Goddess, and treat it so badly!
What a horrible thing to do to a fish!!
I have caught Northern Pike and eaten them, as a child, that is why I
know them so well, and I was OUTRAGED that someone would take such a
gorgeous wild living creature and so turn it against it's instincts that it
starved to death in the midst of plenty...
That last thought for some reason gave me pause.. it rang oddly in my mind.
.. and there was the still, small voice that observes, and it said to me
ironically, "why are you so upset about it?"
And my jaw dropped open in a light dawning on a whole big realization
that I WAS the fish. Holy Shit!! My rage evaporated in an awe of
compassion for my own wild instinctual self, so bent out of shape by life
events I wouldn't dare eat a minnow if it bit me on the nose.
The laughter and tears came that are the mark of real truth, and
understanding of truth...
I was the creature that had been so turned against it's instincts that it
starved in the midst of plenty... I had bashed myself bloody against glass
cylinders long ago, trying to fulfill my needs... and the barriers were
long gone, except in my mind.
The negative effect cycle, of self criticism and failure, my instincts
turned inside out by my formative life experiences. These were the shadow
memories of the hard plexiglass walls of my past.
I felt a huge wave of love and forgiveness for all of my failures, missed
opportunities and self sabotage strategies. Understanding.
Remembered frustration turned to wisdom as I realized love for my inner
fish... and that I am not a fish.. I could regain my instincts. Learn to
recognize the barriers of my remembered pain, and patiently learn to
dissolve them, one by one. I knew it would be like learning to walk over
again, I might fall 1000 times before I got anywhere.
I knew I would need something to hang onto to remind me to forgive
myself, to be gentle everytime I fell into the downward spiral of self
criticism and worry that had been my programming.
I chose a memory of my anger at the unjust treatment of the fish, a
mantra against self criticism: "What a terrible thing to do to a fish!".
My inner fish asking for mercy, to be rehabilitated and treated with
kindness.
That was years ago, and I did fall down a lot more than 1000 times,
sometimes I still do fall into the self judgement, criticism and worry
trap. The mantra, repeated so many times over years gradually softened into
a reminder: "Be kind to the fish".
There is a beautiful, strong sleek Northern Pike in my mind, and it swims
free in a clear mountain lake, and Goddess provides all of the minnows it's
wide jaws can lunge and snatch. And it does eat up the minnows with speed
and grace, as Goddess intended for it to do. And if sometimes, across it's
dim fishy memories there is a flash of fear in the minnow's sparkle, as if
hard invisible barrier lay between it and it's dinner, the next flash of
sunlight will show the minnow clearer, and the old memory of pain will not
hinder the fish from it's meal.
This story is dedicated to a Northern Pike that died for science, and so
that one insecure witch could finally learn to see the phantom plexiglass
fear barriers conditioned into her own life, keeping her from accessing
Goddess' abundance.
I honor it's power, it was a wise teacher, that fish, and I hope that
it's memory will help those others who have had their instincts distorted
by circumstance, to learn to be kind to their own inner fish, and reawaken
it's instincts patiently and with love.
Blessings, Angelique.
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 20:52:19 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "Kat" <KcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: How to say?
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Coon duh(da) leanie
At 06:43 PM 07/08/98 -0400, Kat wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>I have trouble with words. So I need to ask. How does one say the word
>Kundalini? Keep in mind this is how I would expect words to be spelt.....
>
>ketchup .......I would spell it catch up
>
>Oh I am feeling a lot of Love today!!!!
>
>In L&L & Understanding,
>
>Katharine
>
>
>
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 14:48:35 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
cc: Kat <KcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: How to say?
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coon-da-liinii
On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
> Coon duh(da) leanie
>
> At 06:43 PM 07/08/98 -0400, Kat wrote:
> >Hi All,
> >
> >I have trouble with words. So I need to ask. How does one say the word
> >Kundalini? Keep in mind this is how I would expect words to be spelt.....
> >
> >ketchup .......I would spell it catch up
> >
> >Oh I am feeling a lot of Love today!!!!
> >
> >In L&L & Understanding,
> >
> >Katharine
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 15:12:45 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: "Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D." <hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: your shaktipat explanation, my shaktipat initiation
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As such everything is GOD!
Love,
Anurag
On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D. wrote:
> Anurag wrote: Shaktipat is not God but a ladder toward GOD.
>
> Seems to me God is Shaktipat, the recipient, the ladder, God and GOD!
> Holly
>
>
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 15:57:39 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Stupid Sanskrit Q
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That was a nice explanation by danijel.
I will add something sadhana means a devoted effort by an inidividual as a
whole to become perfect in the act one is doing.
All pujas mostly doesn't have mantra japa in it. But sadhans mostly have
mantra japa in it and that too a specified number of times.
People who doesn't know abt about religion i tell them that i do puja. So
that they can get it a bit and also to avoid further questions.
Love,
Anurag
On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Danijel Turina wrote:
> At 09:57 1998.08.07 PDT, you wrote:
> >What is the difference in the meaning of the words "Puja" and "Sadhana"?
>
> Sadhana means "spiritual activity", it's a pretty general word. Puja means
> "worship". Puja is sadhana, but not all sadhana is puja, if you get what I
> mean. :)
>
> -----
> E-mail : dturinaATnospamgeocities.com
> Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
>
>
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 14:50:50 +0100
From: "jb" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>
To: "K. list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>,
"Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
Subject: RE: the envelop
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On one occasion Ramana Maharshi, when the question arose to 'find the causes
for distractions', likened the contents of mind, being filled with these
distractions, to garbage and said something like: " why ransack what has to
be discarded". This remark struck me, as I always had acted accordingly and
things like anger had resolved by mere logical reasoning. Probably there is
no such thing as a choice. One category would be with a logical mind, able
to resolve everything without having to know the cause. The second category
would be with a mind that accepts a way to resolve, using it if it sounds
reasonable and the third category would be with a mind that cannot resolve
anything without finding out the causes first. The fourth category would be
equipped with a mind that doesn't give rise to resolving. Patanjali says
that the grosser afflictions disappear through meditation and the finer ones
in enlightenment, so a kind of discarding too. Knowing ignorance to be the
root of afflictions, more knowledge about the content of the afflictions is
useless. For practitioners, belonging to category two, some "do this, don't
do that" type of help can be given. As help is a 'thing of the mind', what
works for one not necessarily works for another.
Jan
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:09:12 -0400
From: "Kat" <KcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Now I can say it
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Hi All,
I have compiled all the replies in this one message as I felt I had a great
responce! In truth it was only the spelling that was different. I think
all were saying it the same way. Now I too know how to say it. Thank you
all for your help in this matter.
In L&L & Understanding,
Katharine
coon-da-liinii (Anurag)
On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
> Coon duh(da) leanie
Coon dah lean ee - that's the way I pronounce it, but then - what do I
know? Blessings dor
(Enough that you were able to help me! Thanks.)
It will be interesting to see how many varieties you get. Here's mine:
Koon duh LEE knee
Love,
Marybeth
(It truly has been interesting to see the many varieties and I sounded out
each one of them until one of them sounded correct to me.)
xxxtg:
LOL! This made me laugh.... (and no offense meant by that)... this is how I
say it:
Coon (sounds like noon)
duh -
leeney (sounds like weinie or genie)
Coon-duh-leeney
(No offense taken but if my spelling gives you such a good chuckle you
should hear the way I try to say new words from the english language. Oh I
have been english all my life but those that are close to me say that it is
my second language. I have one all of my own! :-)
No one knows how it is that I speak the way that I do? It has been a
puzzle.)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 12:47:46 EDT
From: AfperryATnospamaol.com
To: KcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Cockney Coondalini
Message-ID: <8bb34e29.35cc8133ATnospamaol.com>
Must be all those American accents out there...... 'cos on my side of the Big
Pond, it's pronounced not so much 'coon' as 'cun' with a soft U as in 'Injun'
rather than as in 'bun'. Perhaps London Sanskrit is different from its US
counterpart :-) !!
Incidentally, the word 'kundalini' is now accepted as English in newer
versions of the OED.
God Bless,
Alan
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 19:50:29 +0200
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: "jb" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>, "K. list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: the envelop
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Jan:
>On one occasion Ramana Maharshi, when the question arose to 'find the
causes
>for distractions', likened the contents of mind, being filled with these
>distractions, to garbage and said something like: " why ransack what has to
>be discarded". This remark struck me, as I always had acted accordingly and
>things like anger had resolved by mere logical reasoning. Probably there is
Jason: YES!! The opinions, patterns, complexes that cause anger are refuse!
One should not ransack them as if they were valuable. This is only another
way of hanging on to them. What is valuable is the energy used to hang on
to that refuse. That is what needs to be redeployed in the interest of
realizing Self. It is wonderful that you were able to resolve your anger by
feats of logic and reason. Would you be willing to share how you did this?
I would love to hear of your experiences.
Jan:
>no such thing as a choice. One category would be with a logical mind, able
>to resolve everything without having to know the cause. The second category
Jason: Highly illogical.
Jan:
>do that" type of help can be given. As help is a 'thing of the mind', what
>works for one not necessarily works for another.
>
Jason: Therefore, count to 10 and smile. Presto chango! :) But seriously,
you are quite correct. Anger is an emotion. There is no formula. There is
no 12 step program. One has to work at the energetic level to release the
refuse. The process will take a different path for each person just as two
drops of water will never find the same path down a mountain. However,
there is a work involved be it feats of logic and reason, meditation,
communicating with the energy or perhaps even counting to 10 as you
suggested. How beautiful is our multiplicity of paths!
May all your days be filled with giggles like a shower of rainbow color
swirled bubbles each containing three pink elephants. Pop!
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 13:03:18 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
Subject: re: the wizard
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Danijel wrote:
>Sai is pathetic as usual... except in one moment, split second,
>when he saw me in the crowd, when the depth was felt in the eyes. Nothing
>more. Basically, that lifted my spirit, I started thinking that the whole
>thing has some sense, that I just didn't figure it out. One of the things
>that apalled us was the use of the mantra Sai Ram. It is used for "good
>day", "please", "thank you" and "fuck yourself asshole".
That last line kills me :-). Even in the midst of despair you manage to
throw in some humor. Thank you for sharing your adventures with the list. I
always did wonder what you saw in the fuzzy-headed one. He seemed fake to
me from the start (not that I'm any kind of a "guru expert"). When I read
that you had considered him your guru, I thought "Well, if Danijel is
impressed, maybe there is something of value there."
Your disillusionment seems to have caused you some pain, but perhaps this
was meant to be. As for me, I have always been suspicious of "guruism,"
having great problems with "authority" of any kind; my spirit is
anachronistic I guess. I see very few people "above" me, all seem like
siblings or children. Perhaps that makes me an asshole. I can't seem to
change this. I am impressed now and then, though.
You are exceptionally brilliant and funny, as are Angelique, Tg and
Lobster, Harsha is an unending source of good humor, as is "Delirium." And
you all have very deep wells of compassion. Perhaps it is the list itself
which is my guru!
Anyhow, welcome back Danijel! I missed you, and was sorry to see you leave
the list even for a little while, though I knew you would come back with a
good story!
warmest regards,
amckeon
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