1998/08/06 13:20
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #550
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 550
Today's Topics:
Re: my aching head! [ nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net> ]
responsibility [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
kundalini and hot flashes [ debbie mayhew <dmayhewATnospambellatlantic ]
Re: Kundalini / Shaktipat [ hyperATnospamhmt.com (HMT) ]
Re: my aching head! [ "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com> ]
Re: Kundalini / Shaktipat [ "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com> ]
RE: The wizard [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.co ]
Re: The wizard [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.co ]
the envelop [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
Re: The wizard [ "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Buddhism / Shaktipat [ hyperATnospamhmt.com (HMT) ]
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 07:45:46 -0600
From: nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net>
To: kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: my aching head!
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> Janpa wrote:
> [...]
> > its like i dont work right unless i am working for all beings. if i
> > start to be selfish...i literally start to get sick. ok is janpa being
> > paranoid that others are 'stealing' her energy or is thsi a famillier
> > story?
>
> Jan wrote:
> Stealing energy isn't what is taking place. You are aren't getting sick
> or paranoid, but you are becoming aware of other's sickness in a rather
> literary sense. What I used to do, was to cause some pleasant event so that
> the one who 'seemed' to be stealing energy, got in a much better mood but
> without focusing attention on me. If this is done often and with care, you
> are actually helping (healing) people.
I'm unsure about causing some pleasant event so we can control the moods of
others. Seems a bit manipulative to me.
Just this past three months, I have realized that people dump their stuff
(negative emotions, fears, hangups) on me because I have willingly (consciously
unknowingly) processing it for them. I recently learned an effective way to
deal with these situations when they happen.
I became aware of this when my sister died in May. She was quite a bit older
than I, and we weren't close. I was saddened, but my mother was grief stricken.
Mom is the type of person who likes to stuff everything. "Oh, well, better get
on with things." As a result she has experienced many severe health problems:
breast cancer, a stroke, and a gangerine gall bladder.
I knew she was quite troubled so I called her every couple of days to check in.
After about a month, I was feeling really yucky yet couldn't put my finger on
my malaise. I had a session with my spiritual counselor, and he suggested that
I was processing my mother's grief.
He asked me what color my mother's emotions would be. I was blank. Then he
asked me to name the emotions. Repressed rage, grief and hurt. He asked what
the opposite of that was. Released rage, grief and hurt. I envisioned her stuff
in me. I took a clensing breath through the crown of my head taking in the
opposite emotions. Then I exhaled and released her stuff out through my heart
into her heart and into the ground.
You can also do this by envisioning a color, or I suppose a sound, a vision.
Anything that makes sense to you which you can hold in your thoughts.
For most people, I wouldn't ground their emotions, I would push their stuff
back to them so they could feel what they are feeling.
This has produced fantastic results for me. I feel much better able to cope
with the unrecognized dumping. Maybe there will be a point in the future where
I won't allow that to happen in the first place.
Nancy
Date: 8 Jun 98 19:17:28 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: responsibility
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Hi.
Yesterday I began to play with a new word - responsiblity. It's new to
me, anyway. It seems I am a very irresponsible person.
Last night I was mayb in some hypnogogic state and I began to say a
sentence, not about anything in particular. When I got to a certain
point in the sentence where everything hung in the balance, I stopped.
At that instance, where truly I was waiting, a hand came down and very
gently touched me on the back. I was laying on my front and it touched
me opposite the heart. It was, well, loving.
I've been thinking about responsibility and generally I don't have
much of it and never have had. Wherever I am, whatever I'm doing, I
have always experienced that there are things happening which are
beyond my control. Things inside me which happen without me being able
to stop it. The intellect that keeps chattering and seems like a thing
in its own right. The subconscious pressures that influence my body
and mind. My sensitivity to the zodiac, and my general sensitivity
all-round. People come into the room and immediately I feel that I am
guilty for doing whatever it is I am doing, because I do not claim
responsibility for doing it, and not being responsible makes more
things possible, to enough of an extent to con me.
I also think I am not very conscientious. When there are words like
that that I have to look up in the dictionary I know that it is
because I am not those things. Another such word is humility. I keep
feeling that it's wrong to be doing whatever I'm doing, and Lobster
was indeed right when he said that I keep rearranging things but never
getting rid of anything. I feel like I am the sort of person who can
quite easily lie, cheat, maybe even steal in one way or another. As
much as I don't like it I am in with the very thing that I seem to
like so much. And it just seems to me that this is all because I am
not taking responsibility for my behaviour. All these subconscious
influences and things going on beyond my control is IMO symptomatic of
fragmentation and denial.
And I wonder why, I can't utter the words "who cares". I care a lot,
and that's the problem. All these external things, `other things'. I
feel there are too many people in the world, as if the numbers matter.
I get other people to make all my decisions and then go along with the
flow. I laze around doing next to nothing until some external event
comes along to slap my face. It just seems to me that there is a lot
of irresponsibility here and that responsibility is awareness of self.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 11:32:20 -0400
From: debbie mayhew <dmayhewATnospambellatlantic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: kundalini and hot flashes
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I am looking for information on kundalini awakening and hot flashes. I
have had hot flashes for a year and cannot find any medical cause. I
suspect that they are related to a kundalini experience I had.
Debbie
dmayhewATnospambellatlantic.net
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:52:59 -0400
From: hyperATnospamhmt.com (HMT)
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Subject: Re: Kundalini / Shaktipat
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>but on the kundalini info web page i read certain things that qualify someone
>to be experiencing kundalini awakening...and the page did not mention going to
>see someone or the word "shaktipat" at all but things like "seeing visions,
>health anomilies that cant be explained etc. Personally, I believe words like
>"shaktipat" are just words--period. I mean, if you are going to experience
>something like a kundalini awakening, there of course are no true words to
>describe it. Im sure the word is like a different language etc....but then
>why cant all that experience these things be able to understand it. I dont
>wish to go to some "master" myself. I feel I should let God do what God wills
>to me instead.
Ahh.. my friend,
This list is part of what God wills. Or, you wouldn't be here.
Just cause it's not on the web page, doesn't mean it's not real. My buddy,
Bill Peay, of the garden isle of Kuwaii, Hawaii, keeps the Kundalini
resource center (if that's the one you're talking about) updated. That
resource happens to (by coincidence?) sit hosted in my web server.
A few weeks ago, as I was recanting my most recent experiences with the
Shakti to Bill, he was amazed at what I was telling him. Never heard any of
it. Yet, He knows me well enough to know that I wasn't pulling his leg.
So, we decided that it was time to go through the entire Kundalini web site
and scan it for an update based on new information and more personal
verification. (not just from me, but from others as well).
I am pleased to report to all of you that:
Shaktipat and Shakti are real.
My background is empirical biological sciences. I enjoy particle physics
and cosmology as hobby sciences. I am the original skeptic. I don't believe
anything or take anything on faith. You have to prove it to me.
One can't empirically verify the Shakti, but it can be verified through
personal experience.
For descriptions of the indescribable experiences:
Ksmemaraja's commentary,
'The Pratybhijnahrdayam' "The Doctrine of Recognition"
is a manual describing the entire Kundalini awakening process for those who
have received Shaktipat initiation, are interested in the process that is
occurring, but who are not trained in the deep study of the scriptures.
There is an English translation by Jaideva Singh.
ISBN 0-7914-0150-2 SUNY press
There is a wonderful summary of Shaivism in the intro, a glossary of terms,
copious notes from the author and translator. A MUST HAVE for anyone
serious about the Kundalini.
The Doctrine of Recognition is an exposition written on a particular
section of a set of Sutras called the Shiva Sutras. The Shiva Sutras are
the heart of Kashmir Shaivism. Shiva in this context refers to "pure,
undifferentiated consciousness", not the hindu deity.
Shaivism, always an oral tradition, has been with us forever, but it last
flourished between the 8th to 10th century in Kashmir. In the 8th century,
Somananda was the greatest sage.
In the 10th century, Abhinavagupta was the greatest sage, (great grand
disciple of Somananda). Ksmeraja was Abhinavagupta's disciple.
Abhinavagupta wrote the 'Trident of Wisdom'. It is an exposition on the
matrka-malini, which is the phonematic manifestation of creation by sound.
To Abhinavagupta, the objects around you are merely congealed sound.
(vibration) It is actually a road map on how to use mantra in the most
occult mystical sense.
The other written expositions of Shaivism (that are available) are the
Spanda Karikas- which deal with the divine eternal pulsation.. The Spanda
The Vijnana Bhairava,(which I am currently studying), is 112 types of Yoga
with specific instructions for merging with the divine. Which yoga(s) you
use depends on your temperament.
Several of the Sutras in the Vijnana Bhairava specifically deal with
awakening and sustaining the Kundalini ascent, which I will be happy to
pass on to all of you after I have studied them a bit and figured out the
clearest way to transmit them.
The Shakti Master not only stimulates the Kundalini awake, He/She removes
all the blocks to it's ascent as well. You also fall under their protection
after initiation.
The average Yogi or Swami that can do it can do 2-3 people in a week, and
then must rest for a time.
An example of the relatively different level of skills of ability to give
Shaktipat:
Without mentioning any names.......
Yogi A is a good yogi and can give Shaktipat one on one.
Yogi B is an extraordinary yogi. He can give Shaktipat to 500 people at once.
One day Yogi A gives Shaktipat to a man. The man goes berserk with Kriyas
and starts running around the ashram screaming and smashing things.
Yogi A calls up Yogi B and crys into the phone, "HELP! I gave Shaktipat to
a man and now he is going berserk around the ashram.
Yogi B says, "Bring the man to phone".
Eight people, two each grabbing arms and legs bring the man over to the
phone. A ninth person holds the phone up to the man's ear.
Yogi B speaks to the man through the phone, "STOP!" And the man stops and
returns to normal.
Point of story is that the Master also removes your blocks when he
stimulates your Shakti.
My feeling is that few people could take Grace (Shakti) directly. Our
vibrational levels are way too coarse.
The few times that I have experienced a small twinge of the direct it was
nothing short of overwhelming, and not sustainable in any way.. (yet). But
it always leaves a residual effect.
The Shakti master is an attenuator. Tunes down the intensity so that a
normal, regular person can take it and assimilate. Each receives (actually
takes) according to the vehicle he/she brings and the their temperament.
I wouldn't be so quick as to close off to the possibility that an
individual could transfer meditative energy to a person and start the
awakening process.
It took me 26 years to authenticate this stuff as being real. It doesn't
have to take you that long.
I know of two individuals who can give this type of initiation. There are
more, I am sure of that, but I can only verify these two for sure.
Of course this path is for those who want to finish this lifetime and
become awake while still in the body (Jiva mukta)
On the other hand, who am I to begrudge anyone hundreds of lifetimes of
experiences. :)
I'll put together some distilled Shaivism for you all. It is quite
fascinating stuff, and well worth a look.
Best regards,
Martin
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:39:35 -0400
From: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
To: <nancyATnospamwtp.net>, "kundalini-1" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: my aching head!
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Hi Nancy,
I can actually see my husband's "worry body". It looks like dark red
tear drops or exclamation points jumping off his head when he frets.
Before I was aware of it, I used to get all caught up in his worries.
I tell him "stop it" now. That works :~>
Cathy
***************
I took a clensing breath through the crown of my head taking in the
>opposite emotions. Then I exhaled and released her stuff out through
my heart>into her heart and into the ground.
>
>You can also do this by envisioning a color, or I suppose a sound, a
vision.>Anything that makes sense to you which you can hold in your
thoughts.
>
>For most people, I wouldn't ground their emotions, I would push
their stuff>back to them so they could feel what they are feeling.
>
>This has produced fantastic results for me. I feel much better able
to cope>with the unrecognized dumping. Maybe there will be a point in
the future where
>I won't allow that to happen in the first place.
>
>Nancy
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 10:43:26 PDT
From: "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, hyperATnospamhmt.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini / Shaktipat
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>Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:52:59 -0400
>To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
>From: hyperATnospamhmt.com (HMT)
>Subject: Re: Kundalini / Shaktipat
>
>>but on the kundalini info web page i read certain things that qualify
someone
>>to be experiencing kundalini awakening...and the page did not mention
going to
>>see someone or the word "shaktipat" at all but things like "seeing
visions,
>>health anomilies that cant be explained etc. Personally, I believe
words like
>>"shaktipat" are just words--period. I mean, if you are going to
experience
>>something like a kundalini awakening, there of course are no true
words to
>>describe it. Im sure the word is like a different language etc....but
then
>>why cant all that experience these things be able to understand it. I
dont
>>wish to go to some "master" myself. I feel I should let God do what
God wills
>>to me instead.
>
hi
this stuff is real.
i dunno exaclty what shaktipat is, im a buddhist, and the term is not in
my spiritual dictionary of regular usage :).
i do know when i sat near Swami Chatananda at an inter-faith gathering i
started buzzing like i do only under a few other circumstances. There
was a recognition of something. And it was at the level of the mind
(heart, in Tibetan Buddhism, mind is seen at the heart level) The other
circumstances are usually around Lamas, or Zen Masters or other such
folks.
of course one meditation teacher i know and love put it this way too 'If
you sit still for 15 minutes, something will happen." he explained it
via beta endorphins and such. and if you sit longer than that...with
proper concentration, it deepens and spreads out. This one also said to
me in a down-to earth tone one time "When you practise this stuff hard,
weird things happen".
Its like setting a prayer wheel in motion, wich is linked to another and
another and they are actually as small as atoms, so you are breathing in
blessing and dancing in an ether of Dakinis.
But ordinary karmic vision says that this is a computer and this is an
email by some half-crazy girl named Janpa.
So ya, its all words. the basis for the words doesnt change tho.
I would call it Dharmakaya probably, u might call the dharmakaya god. i
dont know. thats your call and your karmic vision.
but something happens when you soften the heart. and remain open to
wisdom.
om mani padme hung....(spin spin spin spin spin off into ether around
and around into each being freeing from samsara....)
maitri (Love),
--janpa tsomo
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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 19:27:07 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: The wizard
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At 13:19 1998.08.06 +0100, you wrote:
>Danijel:
>> [...] He also doesn't have the guru initiation, so he
>> is completely incapable to awaken the others - [...]
>
>Jan: Ramana Maharshi didn't have a guru initiation, yet he awakened many...
>The guru initiation opens the door to the question: Who initiated the first
>guru?
I think we have ourselves a misunderstanding there: by "guru initiation" I
don't mean anything formal, but the transparency for the Spirit - an
ability to set your ego aside and let the flow go through you. That is the
ability of a real guru, to let the stream of Spirit go through him into the
others. Why is a real guru considered to be God? Because he is so
transparent that God works through him, and only God can be seen. But one
has to initiate himself into that by allowing God to descend through him.
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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 19:39:14 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: The wizard
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At 08:52 1998.08.06 +0200, you wrote:
>>:P~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LOL ROTFL :)
>>Are we commenting the same movie here or have you too been watching too
>>much Baywatch? ;> ;) That sort of comments were exactly the reason why I at
>>first hesitated to publish the report here, I actually expected Harsha to
>>ask me "who is experiencing". But what the hell, I'm dumb, at least that's
>>no secret.
>
>
>I'm glad you published the report. My sort of comments triggered your
>negative expectations. Perhaps my sense of humor is a bit odd. You are not
>dumb by any means. Your energy here on the list is quite powerful and
>refeshingly upturning. Normally a knee-jerk response can be discarded in
>favor of pause, discrimination, higher judgement. No malice is meant here.
>
>May all you days be filled with the calmness of a lazy river moving like a
>nap through a shaded summer afternoon.
Ehh... <sigh> :))
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:52:20 +0200
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: "Kundalini" <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: the envelop
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Trying to move forward in a state of balance. Those around me give me their
kindest regards, yet within I am not worthy of them. So long is the path to
Self. And the scenery often looks the same - pattern responses happen again
and again, each time with more immediate awareness of their occurrence. I
voice my intent for relief. I pray for forbearance, resolution of anger,
sublimation of lust. God help me to be clean.
The focus on negativity is disrupted. Awareness knows that there is
something much better. Focus rests briefly on light, positive thoughts,
love, desire to know God. Then the fire is fanned, the mind is ablaze with
ideas, creativity, life. Mind takes control, drowns out the vision of God,
uses the body as its tool of expression. The body is worn from bringing
into the world the activity of the mind. I give it all to you, to the
world, to the Self, to God and I pray for peace and rest in the mind. God
help me to be silent.
There is nothing else to do here but push the envelop of evolution.
Squeezing through the re-birth canal towards air, light, freedom. Knowing
only that right here, right now, in this state improvement is needed. I
pray for strength and endurance. God help me to find freedom.
We are all siblings.
How can I help you? How can you help me?
Just tell each other what we see.
Love.
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 11:06:08 PDT
From: "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, jaxxATnospamihug.co.nz
Subject: Re: The wizard
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>My name is Jacqueline and I usually lurk around the list. I have been
>absent for about 6 months but have just recently come back.
>I read your words with interest... Its surprised me that though you
>condemned this man's practise of taking another man's karma you took
his
>karma upon yourself. Whilst saying it was a set of lessons that should
>have been learnt you deprived another of a posible death situation
which
>may have proved to be a valuable lesson.
>I read how you broke down/attacked a dome and also yourself was
attacked.
>
>It seems you two a quite alike.
>
>What aspect is he of yours??
>
in the mirror, i saw a face
smashed that mirror!
heart raced at the sight!
a million more faces in fragments of mirror.
i whimpered in terror at the sight.
were there a million of me?
or one of me?
dance in the light of the midnight sun,
soon see how it all can be one.
maybe i'll send u a turtle hair sweater,
if you send me one of your
clapping apple trees.
(big hug forgive me from smiling too largly)
--janpa
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 03:09:27 -0400
From: hyperATnospamhmt.com (HMT)
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Buddhism / Shaktipat
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>i dunno exaclty what shaktipat is, im a buddhist, and the term is not in
>my spiritual dictionary of regular usage :).
In Buddhism (at least some Tibetian lineages) there is a ceremony called
Abhishika. This is transmission of the enlightened state to the 'empty
vessel' done after the student has completed all his prostrations, mantras,
refuge repetitions, tantric instruction, etc.
Then, a more minor example:
In the 70's I found myself at the first Tibetian Buddhist Vajra Crown Ceremony.
I was studying Buddhism with Chogyam Trungpa of Kaiyu lineage, the Vedanta
with a Vedic Swami, and Gnani yoga with a powerful shakti filled yogi who
threw me into Samadhi on 4 different occasions because I was (and still am)
not embarassed to harass and put teachers (and their Guru feet) up to the
fire. (repectfully, :) of course).
The ceremony was held in the Glen Miller Ballroom (of all places) at the
University of Colorado, Boulder. (what a wild time and place! In all ways.)
In this ceremony, monks chant low and blow the long horns. A monk hands the
crown to Karmapa (big Kahuna). He dons the crown and becomes the embodiment
of Avalokitesvara, the deity of the compassionate state. Aspects of the
state of compassion are transmitted to those in the audience receptive
enough to receive.
Can't say that I physically felt anything at all. But then, I like drama,
like dozens of people mooing with kriyas.
My cousin said, "Did you see? All the babies stopped crying when he put on
the crown!".
I laughed and said, "How can you even hear yourself think with that
chanting and horn blowing?"
If one digs deep enough, there is reference to 'transmission' in the mystic
areas of all philosophies and religions. Whether is be mystic Christianity
or Hermetic Philosophy (The Kybalion- not to be confused with the Kabala).
The same threads run.
So far, in my personal experience, everything is correct for everyone. The
difference I find in the philosophy of Kashmir Shaivism is that it
explains why that is so.
In Shaivism, all the different philosophies and religions are postions
which the Self (of all) takes.
None are incorrect. Some are less complete. (still not quite right).
Any path can only take you as far as it goes. It is important to always
stay open to wider understandings that your path(s) fit into.
If some larger, better understanding comes along that Shaivism fits into,
then that will be absorbed and Shaivism will take its place.
I'm going to dig up a page for all of you from the Doctrine of Recognition
which compares the paths to one another.
As always, verify for yourself. Don't take my word for it. (unless you want
to save some time.)
About 'Self Starters';
In order to give something, you have to have received something.
Except it would seem as someone pointed out, Ramana Maharsi. That was a
'self starter'. Yogananda, also a self starter, came into the world awake
and had to wait patiently until his young mouth could form words to speak
great spiritual truths.
Most interesting of the 'self starters' that I have studied, is the Bhagwan
Nityananda. Now there is quite a fellow. Lot's of cool stories (people
still living who witnessed) about him.
Those 'self starters' have obviously 'received' from a more subtle,
powerful teacher/source we don't, won't, or can't see at the moment. They
are an inspiration, and they light the lights of others.
Perhaps some of us are like them. But then, how many of them were there in
this century so far compared to the number of people born?
Best,
Martin
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