1998/07/17 13:24
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #517
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 517
Today's Topics:
Re: My bizarre experiences [ "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com ]
not for fragile hearth. [ matrixATnospamroyaume.com ]
corection [ matrixATnospamroyaume.com ]
RE: corection [ "Sessions, JoAnn F. (Artco)" <jases ]
Put your PC to work for you!!, Makin [ a0003329ATnospamairmail.net ]
Re: My bizarre experiences [ DruoutATnospamaol.com ]
Re: My bizarre experiences [ Al Perhacs - Territory Manager <atp ]
Re: My bizarre experiences [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: My bizarre experiences [ matrixATnospamroyaume.com ]
Re: turning off K (was Kundalini & M [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:37:30 PDT
From: "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com>
To: TMulliganATnospamCentral.UH.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: My bizarre experiences
Message-ID: <19980717173731.25193.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Dear Tim:
I have never had an experience like yours, so I won't bore you with
abstract, theoretical attempts at explanation.
The only common thread that struck me was your early interest in
Catholicism and the occult. Both can be very dualistic paths, IMO, with
lots of emphasis on good vs. evil, sacred vs. profane, demonic
possession, need for spiritual cleansing, etc.
Those early ideas may have served their purpose, once, but maybe it's
time to release them. Could you accept a path of non-duality? That
everything comes from and returns to God? I'm thinking of non-dual
Vedanta, Kashmir Shaivism, Zen Buddhism, as examples.
I don't know how to get you unstuck... but I personally have never
believed that fairy tale evil spirit stuff. I have met plenty of "evil"
people who, on close inspection, turn out to be very much like me, just
hurting and starved for love and lashing out. I have never seen, felt,
or sensed any kind of disembodied evil spirit. I don't believe that evil
*has* a separate existence, only that we are all capable of both extreme
good and bad actions. I don't believe in original sin, or any other kind
of sin.
If that last paragraph sets off an allergic reaction in you, then maybe
you are holding tightly to a belief in evil. If so, then ask yourself if
that belief is still helping you or hurting you.
Just a thought. Hope this helps. Love, -Jim
Let me give you some background. I started out Roman Catholic.
But I became interested in the occult at a very young age (about 9). By
16,
I decided to return to the Church on my own. (My family had stopped
attending.) I became a very religious Catholic, and soon planned to
become
a priest. But I was rejected twice by religious orders, once when I was
17,
and again at the end of college. Both times, I was told that, on the
basis
of psychological testing, I would not make a good priest.
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:46:21 +0200
From: matrixATnospamroyaume.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: not for fragile hearth.
Message-Id: <35AF398D.400AATnospamroyaume.com>
hi,
it's just a first aproach to what i have found and believe about
kundalini arising.
i myself,bye accident,done some visualisation/meditation to open some
chakra.
i need some more information and seek answers about what we have done,
if it's bad or good.
kundalini praticing refering in fact to the eden garden(some many other
religion could refering to other that too)
the 7th seal of apocalypse and the 7th chakra and the 7th heaven(in
term):
there two snake on the "colone veterbral" one goes up,one goes down(like
the vein in the human body)
so,the energie can be stimulated by the sexual act with the kundalini
pratice stimulating all the 7 chakra.
7th heaven,the strong way to force the enlightment of yourself.
at the the extasis,you liberate that energie trough the crown chakra
and goes down into your earth(body) if you don't folow some strict rules
about practicing that.so in that way,you reverse the pole of the energie
you got in meditation to strengment your wisdom.
it refering to the 7th seal.
but it's not the the end of the world of your life.
that just mean,you will have to learn more faster and more stronger than
a human in the life.In face of your karma,you got a much more energie
than a normal human to face your life.This force are very instable cause
you have to open your concience to wisdom before do that.
i know one way to cure that,is to prepare and build your conscience to
faith and enlightment(not by meditation pratice,by the live experience
and théories)many friend like here can help us to control and find how
to control this power in the good way.taste their phrases and listening
to earth you will help.
we all feel like child that got a new toys and don't know how it's
work(like a computer in the first time,hehehe)and that toys are on the
credit card too :)
we have to learn how it's work that mean how to deal with yourself with
other poeple and friends.
-another aproach is,(an ancient théorie never completed) that we descend
from monkey but also another kind of races ultra inteligent.
that races was out on the earth(don't know the reason and when in the
time) and (sorry can find work in english) he/she/it look a monkey and
was the only way to survive....(something like that)
i'm sure about that,than we are not 100% monkey....
and that kundalini have a significian link between that with many
logical théorie.
so,who write the bible,why? i don't believe unlogical things and
uncorean things without reason.
gofi chrishna told that the kundalini praticing without being leaded,are
the commun problem of our society.
it's simple,you have to chose between,pay now or pay later by
love/sacrifice your ego or pay to got tourment by the live.
it's a dual between your ago and your faith(or spirit)
if anyone could report what they discovered about that and what their
opinion please i want to hear what you think about.
cause i believe that we are things and discoverd the same things coming
from nowhere(or not so far,our thrue nature?)
thanks,trought the time,you will earn liberation(love)
yannick
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:14:33 +0200
From: matrixATnospamroyaume.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: corection
Message-Id: <35AF4029.24CCATnospamroyaume.com>
{
so,the energie can be stimulated by the sexual act with the kundalini
pratice stimulating all the 7 chakra.
7th heaven,the strong way to force the enlightment of yourself.
at the the extasis, you liberate that energie trough the crown chakra
and if you don't follow some strict rules about practicing that,your
kundalini will rise up by the crown chakra and goes back down into your
earth(body*or meaning bring power to the earth element primal called the
"bad snake")
.so in that way,you reverse the pole of the energie
you got in meditation to strengment your wisdom.you can't do that
without preparing yourself to face and control that enegie.
it refering to the 7th seal.}
from yannick,sorry :)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:28:04 -0500
From: "Sessions, JoAnn F. (Artco)" <jasessionsATnospamartco.zgate.com>
To: matrixATnospamroyaume.com
Cc: "'Post'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: corection
Message-Id: <199807171831.NAA26154ATnospamtcusa.com>
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I would like to add.. that it is not necessary to be engaged in sexual
intercourse of any kind in order to generate this level of energy or
power. There have been many who have entered into the seventh level
without having nay direct relation to physical sexual activity at the
time.
Also, there are higher levels than the seventh level.
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From: matrixATnospamroyaume.com[SMTP:matrixATnospamroyaume.com]
Sent: Friday, July 17, 1998 6:15 AM
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: corection
{
so,the energie can be stimulated by the sexual act with the
kundalini
pratice stimulating all the 7 chakra.
7th heaven,the strong way to force the enlightment of yourself.
at the the extasis, you liberate that energie trough the crown
chakra
and if you don't follow some strict rules about practicing
that,your
kundalini will rise up by the crown chakra and goes back down
into your
earth(body*or meaning bring power to the earth element primal
called the
"bad snake")
.so in that way,you reverse the pole of the energie
you got in meditation to strengment your wisdom.you can't do
that
without preparing yourself to face and control that enegie.
it refering to the 7th seal.}
from yannick,sorry :)
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:32:35 EDT
From: DruoutATnospamaol.com
To: TMulliganATnospamCentral.UH.edu, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: My bizarre experiences
Message-ID: <7b837e3f.35af98c4ATnospamaol.com>
Dear Tim,
I know it is difficult to see all this as positive rather than negative,
given the fact you've been told by so many sources that what is going on with
you is in some way wrong. (psychosis, wrong direction, etc.) Alot of the
perception of K is in the way we "translate" our experiences. The sexual
component, for example, can either be exceedingly pleasurable :)) or, I
suspect, guilt-ridden and uncomfortable if you "think" that the experiences
are in some way counter to your religious beliefs. It is probably the most
common product of Kundalini, and perhaps the most potentially upsetting one.
It can also be a delicious side effect!
Originally you seem to have accepted the experience instinctively as a good
one, before the images began to war with some pre-conceived notions by others
of what is "right." You felt they were spiritual helpers, and you trusted
them. The "construction project" was a worthwhile one. Being "worked on" by
the way, is another common "symptom" of K.
Krishnamurti went through this, of course. Read "Krishnamurti's Notebook" for
some wonderful journal entries. You'll also want to read Kundalini Experience
by Lee Sannella, for a discussion of K vs mental illness. You may also want
to give a copy to your doctor. :)))
My advice is to trust what Krishnamurti called "the Process" You are on your
way to a wonderfully rewarding "transformation"
Love, Hillary
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:47:40 -0400
From: Al Perhacs - Territory Manager <atpATnospambluestone.COM>
To: jim privacy <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: TMulliganATnospamCentral.UH.edu, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: My bizarre experiences
Message-Id: <35AF9C4C.D8FBA40EATnospambluestone.com>
jim privacy wrote:
>
>
> I don't know how to get you unstuck... but I personally have never
> believed that fairy tale evil spirit stuff. I have met plenty of "evil"
> people who, on close inspection, turn out to be very much like me, just
> hurting and starved for love and lashing out. I have never seen, felt,
> or sensed any kind of disembodied evil spirit. I don't believe that evil
> *has* a separate existence, only that we are all capable of both extreme
> good and bad actions. I don't believe in original sin, or any other kind
> of sin.
>
>
Jim,
I hope this doesn't sound arrogant, but just because you don't perceive
evil, doesn't mean that it is not out there. I have had to fight off some of
the things that were mentioned in the article and believe me they are real
enough. There IS good and there IS evil, so don't try to dismiss it by
saying that it was a mental thing with this young man.
As your energy increases there are alot of entities that like to take a
sample of your energy, especially of the sexual variety as this gives them
the closest feeling to being human (again?). Vampires don't only take blood,
they take your energy and thus maybe your resolve to stand strong in
situations like this.
Ask children and they usually can see a lot of these things that pass
through your house on any given night. but won't mention it, because they
know you will pass it off as imagination.
Because you can't perceive the spirits that are around you does not mean
that they don't exist either. They will mess with anyone, no matter who you
are and you probably have been manipulated by them in the past, but you just
didn't recognise it as such. You can rebuke them out in Jesus name and they
have no choice but to leave, but be specific where you send them to ( I send
them to the dessert or antartica), so that they will stay there.
Have a great day and weekend!
Respectfully,
Al Perhacs
http://members.aol.com/fourzone
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:19:36 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: My bizarre experiences
Message-ID: <35AFA3C8.795FATnospammail.snet.net>
Al Perhacs - Territory Manager wrote:
> Because you can't perceive the spirits that are around you does not mean
> that they don't exist either.
Perception is inherently unreal.
But what's real isn't perceivable.
(an invocation)
> They will mess with anyone, no matter who you
> are and you probably have been manipulated by them in the past, but you just
> didn't recognise it as such.
I'm looking at a cloud.
Is it a sinner or a saint?
> You can rebuke them out in Jesus name and they
> have no choice but to leave,
When I was young I rebuked the Easter Bunny.
Where is he now?
> but be specific where you send them to ( I send
> them to the dessert or antartica), so that they will stay there.
Uh oh!
That's where I sent the Easter Bunny.
David.
(not sure what to believe anymore)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:25:38 +0200
From: matrixATnospamroyaume.com
To: Al Perhacs - Territory Manager <atpATnospambluestone.com>
Cc: jim privacy <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com>, TMulliganATnospamCentral.UH.edu,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: My bizarre experiences
Message-Id: <35AF50D2.3585ATnospamroyaume.com>
Al Perhacs - Territory Manager wrote:
>
> jim privacy wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I don't know how to get you unstuck... but I personally have never
> > believed that fairy tale evil spirit stuff. I have met plenty of "evil"
> > people who, on close inspection, turn out to be very much like me, just
> > hurting and starved for love and lashing out. I have never seen, felt,
> > or sensed any kind of disembodied evil spirit. I don't believe that evil
> > *has* a separate existence, only that we are all capable of both extreme
> > good and bad actions. I don't believe in original sin, or any other kind
> > of sin.
> >
> >
>
> Jim,
>
> I hope this doesn't sound arrogant, but just because you don't perceive
> evil, doesn't mean that it is not out there. I have had to fight off some of
> the things that were mentioned in the article and believe me they are real
> enough. There IS good and there IS evil, so don't try to dismiss it by
> saying that it was a mental thing with this young man.
>
> As your energy increases there are alot of entities that like to take a
> sample of your energy, especially of the sexual variety as this gives them
> the closest feeling to being human (again?). Vampires don't only take blood,
> they take your energy and thus maybe your resolve to stand strong in
> situations like this.
>
> Ask children and they usually can see a lot of these things that pass
> through your house on any given night. but won't mention it, because they
> know you will pass it off as imagination.
>
> Because you can't perceive the spirits that are around you does not mean
> that they don't exist either. They will mess with anyone, no matter who you
> are and you probably have been manipulated by them in the past, but you just
> didn't recognise it as such. You can rebuke them out in Jesus name and they
> have no choice but to leave, but be specific where you send them to ( I send
> them to the dessert or antartica), so that they will stay there.
>
> Have a great day and weekend!
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Al Perhacs
> http://members.aol.com/fourzone
I remember a dream one day.in my mind i had this théorie that Evil is
only the representation of the bad side in life.the negative energie,but
i sort of influence,on the scale of humanity,to evil.(difficult to
explain in english :) sorry)
in my dream,were a nightmare;i met an angel of evil energie of all
people,weakness(don't know how to explain) and i don't know very well
and did'nt notice his aspect.but (i was talking with my other side?yep)
that angel say this thing in that nightmare(i were in a haunted house
with symbol)
i said to him:"(in my head to me and towar the evil) it's just a
nightmare,evil spirit could not exist,it's only my reflet of the evil
energie and i most face that in my life...)
the angel reply:"yes,you right but you are wrong,many poeple on earth
have build from their action,thinkings,believing,bad energie an entity.
you forgot also,that if there is a sky,there is also earth.There is no
energie that existing only in your mind,but also,it take an entity in
the real world too."
i have conclude ,when i awoke,that dreaming of evil and demon was good
because i felt very well and liberated,ready for a transformation of me.
(but i believe that there is a logical way to bad spirit and symbole of
all kind,evil or not,take entity in the real world)
-the energie=mc2......- no energie,no real.
now i will not laught in face of the dark next time,but not fear it or
feed it with my fear.
yannick
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:47:49 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: AfperryATnospamaol.com, nancyATnospamwtp.net
Subject: Re: turning off K (was Kundalini & Manic Depressive disorder)
Message-ID: <19980717194750.3913.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>How do you feel you can turn k off? I am very interested in your
>perspective, Chuck (and list).
Alan wrote:
In my experience, you can't turn K off completely (any more than you can
stop any other process of evolution) but you can opt to work consciously
with it or not. This will accelerate or retard the transformation
process; the latter may seem like a turning off, temporarily at least,
but in reality is just a delay mechanism.
Joe:
I believe Alan is right. Once K is awake she is awake. She does rest and
she can and should be controlled. If she is out in Vajra or another of
the undesirable nadis she will be almost impossible to control. It will
be like having a houseful of unhousebroken dogs. Your life will be very
unpleasant. If she is in Susumna or other appropriate nadi the
individual can control her. If she is controlled she is indeed wonderful
as she progresses, not just after she has completed her journey.
There are issues, like Kundalini issues, you don't need to be dealing
with when it is time to complete the quarterly report and you have to be
on your toes or loose your job. By controlling her you can change the
intensive times from her pleasure to the weekends or other more
convenient time that don't destroy "regular world" your life. (This is
as a general rule, like betting on the fastest horse and rider in a race
or the better team in a game, it won't always work but the odds are
stacked in your favor.)
Assuming you have her in an appropriate nadi you can control her most
directly by pranayama, diet, mantra, rest, the people you associate
with, and the like. The same things that need to be correct to awaken
her volitionally. If I didn't want K active the dumbest thing I could do
would be to be around people with active, strong, and advanced Kundalini
processes. The exact opposite of what I would do to try to increase her
activity. There is a famous line: "Make friends with the happy." It
would better be stated in English, "Associate with the blissful ones"
meaning those who have bliss through Kundalini. Simply being around
other people with active K will excite her and cause her to become even
more active.
Namaste,
Joe
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