1998/07/17 09:08
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #515
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 515
Today's Topics:
Re: Please read and respond [ matrixATnospamroyaume.com ]
Re: Kundalini & Manic Depressive dis [ nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net> ]
turning K off ? [ freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com> ]
Re: Kundalini & Manic Depressive dis [ "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com ]
Re: New at this but need help [ "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.co ]
Re: surgery [ "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.co ]
Re: throat chakra [ "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.co ]
Off subject but...any takers? [ AfperryATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Kundalini & Manic Depressive dis [ AfperryATnospamaol.com ]
Re: throat chakra [ "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.co ]
Fear [ flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net> ]
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 06:20:20 +0200
From: matrixATnospamroyaume.com
To: starjunkyATnospamuswest.net
Cc: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Please read and respond
Message-Id: <35AED104.6046ATnospamroyaume.com>
starjunkyATnospamuswest.net wrote:
>
> Paul Torres wrote:
>
> > Hello all, I am going through some tough times right now, I am losing
> > myself, but I am on my way back to the path. I do wish to know however
> > what a fairly objective opinion of my status in relation to kundalini
> > awakening. If anyone feels qualified to respond as this voice, I would
> > deeply appreciate your input. This is a curiosity of mine, but I do not
> > really need a response.
>
> Do you still feel lost ? What's your personal defination of kundalini ?
>
> > On a typical day of mine, I go to work, and hang out with my friends
> > at night.
>
> Aimee:Are these long time friends?
>
> > I am able to use
>
> Aimee: How do you Use these exactly ? Do you have a choice?
>
> > what are regarded as psyhcic powers to read
> > others very well. I am even able to see people's actions before they do
> > them,
>
> Aimee: Do you mean you can lead people into doing things (cause how you
> talk it sounds like you feel guilty) or you can read peoples intentions
> ? Please write me back.
>
> > and sometimes I am able to read thoughts,(proof is next to
> > impossible, but that is obvious.)
>
> Aimee: How do you read thoughts by subtle bodylanguage or thoughts in the
> air . Do you catch them as visions or words in your head ?
>
> > Sometimes I get caught up in extra
> > sensory information, such as the constant lights, colors, sounds, and
> > pressure waves that I feel.
>
> Aimee: Do you dim lights? Do you do psychedellics ?
>
> > These pressure waves as I call them feel
> > like I am in the ocean, but it is made up of energy instead of water. I
> > am able to be going through an emotional crisis, and somehow my
> > consciousness seperates into the part that is emotionally distressed,
>
> > and this third person omniscient point of view; where my personal
> > troubles are still mine, yet part of a picture that I am gazing at.
>
> Aimee: Does this part of you feel distressed. ?
>
> > I
> > have yet to come upon a concept that I could not understand. (an
> > example is the fact that I read, and enjoyed the concepts of Stephen
> > Hawking's A BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME when only in seventh grade.) I have
> > had dreams that have told me about events happening now to me. I
> > sometimes get pressures inside of my head which seems to feed from my
> > body, but does not indclude the top of my head.
>
> Aimee:Does this happen around your friends?
>
> >
>
> > This pressure then
> > causes a weird sensation of energy at my third eye. I have never had
> > the rushing up my spine,nor any other classic symptoms, but I have had
> > visions and the inaudible voices since I was very young. (This may
> > point to an early awakening that happened to an unaware child.)
>
> Aimee: What age do you think was your first experience and what caused it
> if any?
>
> > I have
> > not met anyone yet who I can truly regard as an intellectual superior,
> > but perhaps I am too arrogant.
>
> Aimee: You just make me want to challange your intellect thats all I dont
> judge you probably because you already judge your self. I dont think your
> arrogant
>
> > I realize however that through
> > experience there are many out there who are smarter than I.
>
> > Before I close, I would like to say a few things that may be
> > detrimental to the responses given to me. I wish that the totality of
> > the truth about myself, given to all of you from this letter, may prove
> > to be enough so that I may recieve helpful responses.
> > If anyone has read my profile it says that I am over thirty, but I am
> > only ninteen.
>
> Aimee: Why would you lie ? I've never read your profile but I felt that
> you were over 30. That's strange. If your for real and are only 19 I
> feel for you. If not dont lie. I've been burned by liars and I don't give
> myself anymore I feel like something has been taken from me. So you'll
> have to write me. My experiences started at 19. I feel like I'm 19 still.
>
> > I have not lied about my experiences, and have taken this
> > list very seriously. I hope that this does not cause anyone to lose
> > faith in the act of sharing.
>
> Aimee: If you didnt lie I dont understand why it would cause anyone to
> lose faith in the act of sharing ?
>
> > I would like to take this opportunity to
> > express some feelings about this list;
> > I have grown attached to the outlet that you have all allowed me, but
> > I may have to leave soon.
>
> Aimee: Why do you have to go now that youve finally got here?
>
> > I feel a great love for all of you because we
> > are all on the same path. We are all doing our best to find the truth.
> > Some say that it will set us free, with this as my hope, I shall
> > continue my search, as I hope all of you will.
> > Thank you all for your time, and I hope that whatever influence that I
> > had was a good one. If not then my deepest apologies are sent to all of
> > you. Perhaps I shall meet you all some day.
>
> Aimee:You know it .
>
> > Until then, good journey,
> > Paul Torres
>
> Ok now you have to write me back.Peace
> Aimee
>
> > ______________________
> > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
hi,I'm yannick,25 years old.
it's me that i have wrote the avertissement about "don't play with
kundalini before".and just after futher in my research i have discovered
i lot of things(all strage thing that grow inside of me)
i write that message cause i have read the letter from paul.
when i was 18 i have been initiated to spirituality course(quabal).
it's a very good science(or if i can call it like that)
but just before the initiation,i had to left(i am initiated in the earth
as all of you).
i was so obseded to find the wisdom,my goal were to be a sage.
now,i know that was that sort of fear that i was to young(not enought
experience in time) to control or maybe i have simply feared that force.
this force where rising in me,and all my théories about the world that
many poeple tought that i was "funny or fool?".
i have stoped my quest and do a normal life with my friends and my
family.
i have found i book in the master's library about the théurgie
practice(kundalini).i have read it a big part(yes,i was atracted by that
easy reading with many shema)
when i reached 19,i was normal"hehehe,or other are abnormal???)
i have falled in love with a girl(yes realy,i think again of that),and
did so much psychologie to be perfect and meditation(from that book) and
keep telling me only to think good things(think your good,you will do
good,people will be good)
without success,i left the girl and never see her.
i that time,all my thinking,all my théories where unusufull.
2 years after,i have done a tentative of suicide by poisoning me, cause
i felt alone,i was sad that no one wanted to help each other(and many
other things).
they had only 2 hours,to rescue me at the hospital.
but,i were a normal human again,i all other that have some deception,of
course in my mind i knee i lot in spirituality.
i have recovered 1 years to fight that depression.
trying to help me in the month of september(virgo).
i have tryed to build a fantastic story about mediaval knight(7th
knight)and with all the explaination of between the génèse and
apocalypse.
i had to learned much more things again to build it,and i have writed
many strange phrase for my book.(very spiritual)
i had to stop the book,i wanted to build a perfect book(not bible).
between that project i when over 10 time in the wilderness (one to
meditate) and keep talking with my mother earth(one of my deity)
yes that's stange,the more strange that i had that pain always in my
earth that human violate that earth.i have begin to supect that i could
influence the storm and weather.
but that was only prying with what i learned and what i have discover
about god and universe...
after 2 month,i was reenergized and optimist,i felt very good.
i met a girl,a sort of story that i asking to you if you have some bad
experience with your ex girlfriend.
i think,i was in love but that's was not a normal love ,after the sexual
act and talking many night...i was cry to heaven.
that was nearby inhuman.
the exchange with my girlfriend were strange.
she told me many think that she met many ocultism and his mother read
tarot card(my father too).
but,1 weak after,all started to become ununderstandable.
i felt his thinking in my mind.
i felt agressed that she can read my mind or send think.
that become i nightmare for me.
were able to feel his intention but mixed then with paranoid.
she got afraid of me as i got afraid of her.
i think,we enter in a sort of paranoia ourself without any good reason.
she left me,and me too i have'nt reply to that.i was afraid of her.
and i have flee away from his life and never understand what hapening to
me and with her.
ho,i don't explain the felling when she left,that was a deep drop in the
bottom.(and my earth still beating again :) )
but 2 years i have tryed to forget that strange relation,cause i were
afraid of that.
the big start here,i have many feeling as in the letter from paul but
in less strenght.
after the relation,i got a job and work 1 years.
i were revolted about the all human envy.money,apperence,show biz,tv....
and that kind of world destruct me bit by bit,
i still in the silence and closed my eye cause i'm able to feel what
poeple thinking about me,i can see in the move of poeple.
now,i'm here with you,in that time so close.
i understanfd what hapened to me,and i will stop crying in the dark and
say always that phrase"god,i'm not for this earth,i want to return in my
homeworld"
which one?where?and what kind of form,or dimension?.
i have discoverd something to control the bad efect of the telepatie
from the lotus.there is paronoid from your animal side,and the reception
from your spirit.
the snake of kundalini have two side,the good thinking and bad thinking.
the karma now,will show you your world as you reflect yourself in
thinking in a instant.you will have to control and not fall in front of
fear or negative thinking.
do not let poeple thinkings convince you(in your head) that the
situation his bad,
seek the good part of the poeple and your in that time.
if that can help you,that one of my théorie,
each world is in paralelle with other poeple.that's the infinity.
you make your proper world.
as my father was telling my and i'm understand now:god will be what you
will do with him(it).
so mean,the world is the reflect of your mind.do not search in the
world,seek the answer in you.
your animal part(or called also myself-incompleted) will defi you,but if
that happen,the more stronger weapon to fight it,is love,and you need
bravery to love is the bigest obstacle of your life and negative energie
you may encounter as the "illusion".but that sacrifice and the bravery
will guide you.:sacrifice to open the fearsom door not the golden door.
(is this how we may repay in our karma? )
(i just hope i will not,this time,forget that a second time)
we are all friend here paul,we need to stay together and hold all
together now.
i was afraid 1 hours ago about what happen to me and to you,now i'm not
afraid,i believe we will find the experience.
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 06:45:20 -0600
From: nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net>
To: "Chuck O'Connell" <ChuckOConnellATnospamcompuserve.com>,
kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Kundalini & Manic Depressive disorder.
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Hi Chuck,
Your very thoughtful post to Paul had some comments on kundalini:
> Does kundalini help? It can, but it can also cause problems.
> I wouldn't try to use it now if I were you.
>
> I prefer to use Raja Yoga techniques as opposed to 'raising snakes' -
>
> Don't get me wrong - k is a wonderful thing. I must say though that if I
> invoke it
> too often I start to feel *very* emotionally out of sorts.
>
I have never viewed kundalini as something that can be used or evoked at
will. My view is that kundalini is dormant or awake. Once it wakes up,
it gets to work clearing up all the icky stuff still attached to us
(overly inflated self-image, materialistic priority, manipulative
interactions) until it's job is complete. Meanwhile, the incredible
energy raises our vibrations so we can awaken to the joy of spiritual
awareness. I have never seen it as something that can be turned off once
awake.
I really do believe that it's blocking the spiritual clensing that
causes people the pain and feelings of craziness. We let the energy rise
only so far and then we put up resistence. Once stopped, the pressure
mounts. The energy won't finish its job unless we consent. Rather, it
remains stuck which builds pressure within us. That's how I see it,
anyway.
How do you feel you can turn k off? I am very interested in your
perspective, Chuck (and list).
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 06:58:44 -0700
From: freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: turning K off ?
Message-ID: <35AF5894.F4CATnospamnwlink.com>
> How do you feel you can turn k off? I am very interested in your
> perspective, Chuck (and list).
I think there is a shut off valve, or at least a lower gear... free will
would indicate as much...
I may be wrong here, but I think it is taught in most *spiritual*
circles that all that is necessary to *stop it* is that you tell it to
stop. And in order to make it start.. ask for it. There of corse is a
disclaimer in that says you have to truely, from the depth of your being
really mean that you want it, to get it or stop it.
*note* this is only what I have read and heard,,, it has been my
personal experience that no amount of stomping of feet, begging, crying
ect... will make it stop at *my* will. HOWever, I have yet to be
disapointed with the results... once I came out the other end of
whatever I was screaming about in the first place.... so maybe spirit
doesnt pay much attention to temper tantums... I know I don't when
confronted with them. And I think deep down even when things were way
out of whack...I didn't really want to give up because I crave the
destination,,, what ever that may be.
An arguement might be given in the case of Kundalini, that it would be
a good idea to know what your asking for... but wouldn't higher spirit
KNOW what you were really asking for... even if you didn't? Seems a
little heartless of spirit to whack ya with K when what you *thought*
you were asking for wasn't K at all. And then to give you no way out
once you started?
Well, that cleared up nothing.
But I do think think free will would win out.
If you sincerly want it you'll get it,,,
and if *you* don't know what you want, spirit probably does, and will
give it to you even if you don't have a label for it.
If you sincerly want it to stop, it will stop.
freda
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:09:41 PDT
From: "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com>
To: ChuckOConnellATnospamcompuserve.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini & Manic Depressive disorder.
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Dear Chuck:
Thanks for reprinting the Desiderata, it has brought me comfort for many
years. I think of it as one of the first "spiritual" texts I was exposed
to as a child. That, and the famous Serenity Prayer.
No, your post was not too long at all. It was exactly long enough to say
all you needed to say. And, BTW, I appreciate your sharing of your
personal experiences, however painful. You shared what worked (and
didn't work) for you, without trying to force your path on anyone else.
Several here could learn from your example.
I'd much rather read about someone's real experience than endless
theorizing. Let the reader decide for himself which parts strike a chord
and may apply to his situation.
Thanks for your lovely, heartfelt, honest sharing.
Love, -Jim
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:20:46 PDT
From: "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: New at this but need help
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Welcome Kimberly,
I wish you all the best.
Many think almost all illness/sicknesses are cured by visiting a general
doctor or psychologist.
Some will say that many unwished states of being can be (and will be)
cured by Love.
Signs may be shown to you, these are the tools, but it is up to you to
follow them (or not).
Which one is the 'right' spiritual path?
How many roads lead to Rome?
Concentrate yourself on the goal, for all the experiences one lives may
be used to come closer to this Goal.
Live lovingly. Love Yourself. Love Others.
Do not do unto others what you wouldn't be done to yourself.
I may have given you some signs. Use them the way you wish.
May Love embrace you.
Love and Joy,
Jose
>Hi gang,
>
>I'm so new to all of this but with a discussion of opening heart
chakras
>I'd like to tell you what I'm going through in life. I'm going through
a
>divorce, I have found another love who is my future husband. But I am
>Manic Depressive and I get these horrible crying jags and fill like my
>heart chakra area is open but only in the front and that it hurts, and
>sometimes a feeling of anxiety. I'm not much into meditation but I'm
>sure that would help me. Can anyone relate to this or decipher to help
>me understand what I need to be doing to be right on my spiritual path
>so to speak? Thanks in advance :-)
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:35:42 PDT
From: "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: surgery
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Dear Kristin,
Apologizes for late respons.
I wish you much strength and Love.
Love and Joy,
Jose
>
>I just found out today that I am having surgery tomorrow. I am not to
sure if
>I am ready to have this surgery, but I know I have no choice, needs to
be done
>though. I just hope all goes well.
>Kristin
>
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:52:23 PDT
From: "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: throat chakra
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><< The throat chakra is the seat of fear in the body...
> >>
>If I had to pick the biggest negative aspect of me it would be FEAR.
So much
Reject the fear, negativity. Open yourself and let Love pass and come
out of you. You choose dear one.
>scares me...so which comes first--the loss of fear or opening the
throat
>chakra. All my other chakras opened on their own. If worked on
sending
>healing energy to the throat, but nothing happened. How do I heal/open
it?
>
>
LOVE...
Why do you go after something specific within a package if you may get
all if you choose for the package? The package I refer to is...
LOVE...
Love and Joy,
Jose
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:56:26 EDT
From: AfperryATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Off subject but...any takers?
Message-ID: <cc04bb83.35af661bATnospamaol.com>
Tuesday June 16, 1998
>
> Dear All,
>
> We are Irene and Angelo Convertino, respectively 21 and 15 years old.
> We live in
> a small town close to Turin, Italy. Our father is 45 years old, and is
> dying
> because suffering from the "Moschcowitz Syndrome". This type of
> sickness is
> still almost unknown to doctors, and they cannot apply a specific
> treatment. The
> symptoms can be associated to a form of leukaemia, which causes
> thrombi and
> consequent internal haemorrhages, with annihilation of any
> psychophysiological
> activity.
> We would be infinitely grateful to anybody who could divulge this
> message via
> Internet, to get as many information as possible on similar cases and
> eventually
> on the treatments applied. We thank you in advance, and trusting your
> kind
> collaboration we provide below our direct phone #'s:
>
> +39 (0)11 4523660 - Irene and Angelo Convertino
> +39 (0)11 9017174 - Nigro.
>
> For info via e-mail: fabioATnospamshow.it
> Domenico Giardini: domenicoATnospamprd1.it
> P.R.D.1 S.r.l.: prd1ATnospamprd1.it
>
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:56:22 EDT
From: AfperryATnospamaol.com
To: nancyATnospamwtp.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini & Manic Depressive disorder.
Message-ID: <47af9403.35af661dATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 17/7/98 1:42:10 pm, you wrote:
>How do you feel you can turn k off? I am very interested in your
>perspective, Chuck (and list).
In my experience, you can't turn K off completely (any more than you can stop
any other process of evolution) but you can opt to work consciously with it or
not. This will accelerate or retard the transformation process; the latter may
seem like a turning off, temporarily at least, but in reality is just a delay
mechanism.
God bless,
Alan
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:06:16 PDT
From: "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: throat chakra
Message-ID: <19980717150620.19190.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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><< The throat chakra is the seat of fear in the body...
> >>
>If I had to pick the biggest negative aspect of me it would be FEAR.
So much
Reject the fear, negativity. Open yourself and let Love pass and come
out of you. You choose dear one.
>scares me...so which comes first--the loss of fear or opening the
throat
>chakra. All my other chakras opened on their own. If worked on
sending
>healing energy to the throat, but nothing happened. How do I heal/open
it?
>
>
LOVE...
Why do you go after something specific within a package if you may get
all if you choose for the package? The package I refer to is...
LOVE...
Love and Joy,
Jose
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:09:29 -0500
From: flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Fear
Message-ID: <35AF6929.F39ATnospamtexas.net>
> At 07:28 AM 14/07/98 -0400, Orea wrote:
(snip)
> >There is something legitimate to fear.
> >Our instructor told of a woman he knew who didn't come back.
> Mystress wrote
> Sorry, but I am finding huge galloping wads of skepticism around >this. I know where the skepticism comes from, it is from when I was 12 >and my Dad saw me reading a book on self-hypnosis, he gave me much the >same warning. Folks going into trance and not coming back.. he probably >read it in the Readers Digest..
AGREED! Some of the fears of other people are projected into things and
for them.. This might be a truth but be aware of your own truths..
I trance on a regular basis when I do Reiki or Reiki attunements. It
Feels wonderful and there is no question in my mind of not coming back..
Getting grounded again is sometimes hard.. because not being grounded is
like a wonderful high.. no drug could ever get you there.Yeeha!..
giggling
Love,
flute
> The third eye can see forever. Don't go, just watch.
> Ask for protection, whatever you do.. Guardian Angels on the job..
> Blessings, Mystress.
another Brillant thought, Mystress.. cool
Hugs,
flute
<Zack wrote>
>i get awaked at night with a sort of shock type thing-some nights repeatedly-sometimes i have to run downstairs quickly--any ideas how to
> > harness this/
> > zack
Zack, what has happened is that you went Out Of Body. The sudden return
many many times gives that sensation you described. Dont worry so much
about it and ask the angels to bring you back in with less drama.. You
asked once before for confirmation that you were out. They gave it to
you..
There are only Two Emotions.. Fear and Love..
Fear is the emotion that drains your energy, Learn to use fear as a
warning for your animal self only and not as a life style or a place to
think from. Many people realize this consciously! They know it is a
control factor and use it. Fear includes.. Greed, Envy, Anger, Hate,
Guilt, Loss etc.. Im sure you can think of a more.. <G>
flute
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