1998/07/16 12:51
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #513
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 513
Today's Topics:
Please read and respond [ "Paul Torres" <island_11ATnospamhotmail.co ]
Newbie needs [ esther steinacher <esther.steinache ]
Re: Please read and respond [ "Cathy Berger" <bergerATnospamnyc.tomen.co ]
pulse points? [ freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com> ]
Re: depression [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: Please read and respond [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: awareness [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: awareness [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Please read and respond [ AfperryATnospamaol.com ]
street sense [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ James C Jensen MD DABR <jcjensenATnospamwe ]
Re: Please read and respond [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ "Harsha IMTM" <harsha1mtmATnospamhotmail.c ]
Re: depression [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:59:48 PDT
From: "Paul Torres" <island_11ATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Please read and respond
Message-ID: <19980716085949.16825.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Hello all, I am going through some tough times right now, I am losing
myself, but I am on my way back to the path. I do wish to know however
what a fairly objective opinion of my status in relation to kundalini
awakening. If anyone feels qualified to respond as this voice, I would
deeply appreciate your input. This is a curiosity of mine, but I do not
really need a response. It may however help me in my state of mind. I
am somewhat confused as to certain aspects of my relation to Kundalini,
so I am doing the only thing I can, and I ask those who are more
experienced than I. I apologize if what follows sounds egotistical, but
I feel that some of this needs to be said. Please forgive any arrogance
conveyed by my words.
On a typical day of mine, I go to work, and hang out with my friends
at night. I am able to use what are regarded as psyhcic powers to read
others very well. I am even able to see people's actions before they do
them, and sometimes I am able to read thoughts,(proof is next to
impossible, but that is obvious.) Sometimes I get caught up in extra
sensory information, such as the constant lights, colors, sounds, and
pressure waves that I feel. These pressure waves as I call them feel
like I am in the ocean, but it is made up of energy instead of water. I
am able to be going through an emotional crisis, and somehow my
consciousness seperates into the part that is emotionally distressed,
and this third person omniscient point of view; where my personal
troubles are still mine, yet part of a picture that I am gazing at. I
have yet to come upon a concept that I could not understand. (an
example is the fact that I read, and enjoyed the concepts of Stephen
Hawking's A BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME when only in seventh grade.) I have
had dreams that have told me about events happening now to me. I
sometimes get pressures inside of my head which seems to feed from my
body, but does not indclude the top of my head. This pressure then
causes a weird sensation of energy at my third eye. I have never had
the rushing up my spine,nor any other classic symptoms, but I have had
visions and the inaudible voices since I was very young. (This may
point to an early awakening that happened to an unaware child.) I have
not met anyone yet who I can truly regard as an intellectual superior,
but perhaps I am too arrogant. I realize however that through
experience there are many out there who are smarter than I.
Before I close, I would like to say a few things that may be
detrimental to the responses given to me. I wish that the totality of
the truth about myself, given to all of you from this letter, may prove
to be enough so that I may recieve helpful responses.
If anyone has read my profile it says that I am over thirty, but I am
only ninteen. I have not lied about my experiences, and have taken this
list very seriously. I hope that this does not cause anyone to lose
faith in the act of sharing. I would like to take this opportunity to
express some feelings about this list;
I have grown attached to the outlet that you have all allowed me, but
I may have to leave soon. I feel a great love for all of you because we
are all on the same path. We are all doing our best to find the truth.
Some say that it will set us free, with this as my hope, I shall
continue my search, as I hope all of you will.
Thank you all for your time, and I hope that whatever influence that I
had was a good one. If not then my deepest apologies are sent to all of
you. Perhaps I shall meet you all some day.
Until then, good journey,
Paul Torres
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:55:19 +0500
From: esther steinacher <esther.steinacherATnospamxtra.co.nz>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Newbie needs
Message-ID: <35AE3E87.CC0ATnospamxtra.co.nz>
Seems I need help replying to the list anyone with helpful info would
save me from blundering through,blundering along Earle--Ta
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:05:12 -0400
From: "Cathy Berger" <bergerATnospamnyc.tomen.com>
To: "Paul Torres" <island_11ATnospamhotmail.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Please read and respond
Message-ID: <000801bdb0c2$c056cd20$465b9cd1ATnospamcathyber.TOMEN.COM>
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Hi Paul,
Tell me, am I projecting my feelings on to you, or do you feel very
alone, even in a room full of people. I often feel sad because I
know no one to share the truth of my life with.
The only peace and comfort I know for this sadness is in reaching out
to spirit. Reaching the meditative state where you feel connected at
last to "yourself".
Love
Cathy
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Torres <island_11ATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 5:08 AM
Subject: Please read and respond
> Hello all, I am going through some tough times right now, I am
losing
>myself, but I am on my way back to the path. I do wish to know
however
>what a fairly objective opinion of my status in relation to
kundalini
>awakening. If anyone feels qualified to respond as this voice, I
would
>deeply appreciate your input. This is a curiosity of mine, but I do
not
>really need a response. It may however help me in my state of mind.
I
>am somewhat confused as to certain aspects of my relation to
Kundalini,
>so I am doing the only thing I can, and I ask those who are more
>experienced than I. I apologize if what follows sounds egotistical,
but
>I feel that some of this needs to be said. Please forgive any
arrogance
>conveyed by my words.
> On a typical day of mine, I go to work, and hang out with my
friends
>at night. I am able to use what are regarded as psyhcic powers to
read
>others very well. I am even able to see people's actions before
they do
>them, and sometimes I am able to read thoughts,(proof is next to
>impossible, but that is obvious.) Sometimes I get caught up in
extra
>sensory information, such as the constant lights, colors, sounds,
and
>pressure waves that I feel. These pressure waves as I call them
feel
>like I am in the ocean, but it is made up of energy instead of
water. I
>am able to be going through an emotional crisis, and somehow my
>consciousness seperates into the part that is emotionally
distressed,
>and this third person omniscient point of view; where my personal
>troubles are still mine, yet part of a picture that I am gazing at.
I
>have yet to come upon a concept that I could not understand. (an
>example is the fact that I read, and enjoyed the concepts of Stephen
>Hawking's A BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME when only in seventh grade.) I
have
>had dreams that have told me about events happening now to me. I
>sometimes get pressures inside of my head which seems to feed from
my
>body, but does not indclude the top of my head. This pressure then
>causes a weird sensation of energy at my third eye. I have never
had
>the rushing up my spine,nor any other classic symptoms, but I have
had
>visions and the inaudible voices since I was very young. (This may
>point to an early awakening that happened to an unaware child.) I
have
>not met anyone yet who I can truly regard as an intellectual
superior,
>but perhaps I am too arrogant. I realize however that through
>experience there are many out there who are smarter than I.
> Before I close, I would like to say a few things that may be
>detrimental to the responses given to me. I wish that the totality
of
>the truth about myself, given to all of you from this letter, may
prove
>to be enough so that I may recieve helpful responses.
> If anyone has read my profile it says that I am over thirty, but I
am
>only ninteen. I have not lied about my experiences, and have taken
this
>list very seriously. I hope that this does not cause anyone to lose
>faith in the act of sharing. I would like to take this opportunity
to
>express some feelings about this list;
> I have grown attached to the outlet that you have all allowed me,
but
>I may have to leave soon. I feel a great love for all of you
because we
>are all on the same path. We are all doing our best to find the
truth.
>Some say that it will set us free, with this as my hope, I shall
>continue my search, as I hope all of you will.
> Thank you all for your time, and I hope that whatever influence
that I
>had was a good one. If not then my deepest apologies are sent to
all of
>you. Perhaps I shall meet you all some day.
>Until then, good journey,
>Paul Torres
>
>______________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:13:13 -0700
From: freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: pulse points?
Message-ID: <35AE0A79.D8CATnospamnwlink.com>
Hello Group,
It seems as though I have added a new phenomia to my little bag of
tricks,,, ie.. rainbows, clover, wind :) ... broken cars :0
and confused myself in the process.
Anyone know what correlation the inside of the Right wrist and the Left
pulse on the neck (juggler?) have to one another? If any. I have wracked
my brain and come up with a blank...
any and all possibilities are welcome... as I cant think of even a one,
in spite of being the *creator* of the manifestion...
I hate it when this happens... :)
love,
freda
Date: 16 Jul 98 15:10:59 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: depression
Message-Id: <35AE1803.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Greg,
> Has anyone out there who has been through kundalini have a case of
> manic-depression or depression due to a chemical imbalance (or maybe
> chakra imbalance).
> How does Kundalini affect people who are depressed. Thank you for
> your comments. Gregory Howard
Personally I always hated words like `depression' and `cope' and
`stress' and things like that. I wanted to have nothing to do with
those words because it would mean I wasn't excelling in life. But even
as I affirmed that I was not those things or didn't need to do those
things, I was.
I think kundalini has sort of taken me on a tour of many parts of
myself that I didn't care to look at and when it starts to become
revealed that you are depressed and can't cope as a side-effect of
considering such a state undesirable, things did and do sort of get
under the weather. And then the clouds part.
I have probably most of my life been depressed and stressed without
really caring to aknowledge it, so as to continue to excel and cope
with increasing levels of stress without ever letting it stop or
letting myself say no. I have found kundalini to put those words back
in my mouth from time to time so in a way it is a relief.
In some way I am a little more aware of awareness, and that means less
need to be depressed, so that's not a bad thing.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: 16 Jul 98 15:43:52 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Please read and respond
Message-Id: <35AE1D27.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Paul Torres,
> Hello all, I am going through some tough times right now, I am losing
> myself, but I am on my way back to the path.
I know what you mean about losing yourself, and when I myself am lost
I try to ascertain that I am getting closer to the path but either
you're on the path or you're not - there's no inbetween state of
getting closer.
> On a typical day of mine, I go to work, and hang out with my friends
> at night. I am able to use what are regarded as psyhcic powers to read
> others very well. I am even able to see people's actions before they do
> them, and sometimes I am able to read thoughts,(proof is next to
> impossible, but that is obvious.)
I have found myself able to do similar things. It's a matter of having
sensitive thought, which is what intellectualism is.
It gives rise to an intuition that is like a little messanger
springing up in your mind, but it is seperated from action and it's up
to you to choose to act on it or not. The aim I think is to merge with
it more so that it acts more quickly rather than there being a delay.
Personally when I get an intuition it always seems to be 1/2 to 1/4 of
a second before the thing happens. It's a matter of just doing it.
> am able to be going through an emotional crisis, and somehow my
> consciousness seperates into the part that is emotionally distressed,
> and this third person omniscient point of view; where my personal
> troubles are still mine, yet part of a picture that I am gazing at.
And so there is seperation. I know what happens when there is
emotional clout, and these lower emotions are made of thought. It is
possibly to be emotionally passionate with your intellect, which I do
all to often, in that the passion comes from a great excitement and
friction and desire and engrandisment of what you are managing to
visualise.
I have seen people who find it hard to be so successful and hard to
excel and hard to relate to things in the way that I do, and how
fortunate they are.
> have yet to come upon a concept that I could not understand.
Hehe. I know that one well so you're not alone there. I and perhaps
you as well are capable of tremendous ideological cultivation. It is
amazing how many things thought can grasp. Being that way, I am very
very clever and comprehension of things seems to come in an instants
observation, after which I am left feeling annoyed at the
low-standards of uptake of other people, their lack of efficiency,
their inability to see what is `obvious'. But even so you have to be
prepared to toss all that in the garbage because that's what it is.
> example is the fact that I read, and enjoyed the concepts of Stephen
> Hawking's A BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME when only in seventh grade.)
I'll refrain from entwining with you in a passionate mutual
masturbation of self-complementation on that one. ;-)
Have you ever met people who are similar to yourself who you find you
are able to get along with easily because everything you do and
everything they do seems to complement you?
> I have never had
> the rushing up my spine,nor any other classic symptoms, but I have had
> visions and the inaudible voices since I was very young.
> (This may point to an early awakening that happened to an unaware
> child.)
I have though this of myself also. I am quite sure I had some
altered/higher states of consciousness when I was a kid. I have often
wondered if this special kundalini thing that I milk for all it's
worth might have stretched back way into early life. Satisfying isn't
it?
> not met anyone yet who I can truly regard as an intellectual superior,
That's understandable, because the intellect finds it hard to commit
itself completely to a polarity - some ways in which they are better
but some in which they are not.
> but perhaps I am too arrogant. I realize however that through
> experience there are many out there who are smarter than I.
And the suggestion that people having smarter intellects is /better/
is a way that the intellect polishes itself and adds to its vanity.
Better people are not more intellectual, and searching for there to be
a more intellectual person is not going to teach you anything.
One thiing you need to do to stop being depressed and intellectual is
to stop trying to excel so much. It IS possible to excel at things,
yes, to use your intellect to work things out, to use your thoughts to
fill in the gaps, to use your visualisation to comprehend that which
cannot be seen. But it takes you away from having clarity in your
senses and seeing only what's there. You've got to learn how to be
satisfied with the world only for what's there and not for what you
fabricate about it.
I can remember countless times in which I have beat myself up because
of not being good enough, by my own standards. Several years ago I had
a little electronic handheld spaceinvaders game and whenever the
slightest thing went wrong I would hit the screen and curse myself.
And if at night I was having trouble getting to sleep I would get up
angry and slap myself accross the face telling myself to do it better.
Constantly suggesting that I was not doing it good enough. It leads to
tremendous /effort/ which makes it very hard work.
If you do that, if you beat up on yourself for not being good enough
or intellectual enough or quick enough or accurate enough, bloody well
stop doing it for the sake of your life, everyone elses life, and God.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: 16 Jul 98 16:01:48 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: awareness
Message-Id: <35AE22F9.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Cathy,
> Tell me, am I projecting my feelings on to you, or do you feel very
> alone, even in a room full of people. I often feel sad because I
> know no one to share the truth of my life with.
True. You don't need to be alone to be lonely.
Or, to put it another way, to be lonely you have to not have the need
to be alone (at-one).
> The only peace and comfort I know for this sadness is in reaching out
> to spirit. Reaching the meditative state where you feel connected at
> last to "yourself".
?
Yesterday I experienced something perhaps for the first time in my
life. I felt that I was aware of being aware. Is that what you mean
about meditative state or spirit?
I've not experienced it before, it was intruiging how it didn't rely
on any thoughts of structures. It seemed almost selfish but it wasn't.
Awareness that looks only at awareness.
When it happened I felt more confident, that there were more
possibilities, that I had more `self'. I felt more complete, more
whole, more an individual. Most of my time is usually spend being
aware of thoughts, looking at them, thinking about them. But paying
attention to attention, and being aware of awareness, is like paying
attention to yourself, which is perhaps what you mean about being
connected to yourself. Most of the time I am obsessive and posessive
and desiring and that seems to `block' or get in the way of awareness.
I suppose one way to put it would be that awareness looks at itself as
if accross a room but the room becomes cluttered and so the self gets
covered up and obstructed. No way that you can /make/ or /invent/ that
awareness, all you can do it play around with the furniture.
I hope that the awareness of awareness will come again and stay for
longer. It answers everything is really very loving.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:27:57 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: awareness
Message-ID: <5d7445eb.35ae1c00ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 7/16/1998 8:05:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk writes:
<< I hope that the awareness of awareness will come again and stay for
longer. >>
Harsha: Why not? Yes. That is the state to be aimed for. Awareness Aware of
It Self. It is in fact always Present. The mind has to become gentle,
subtle, and calm to see this Awareness manifesting through it. For the one
who is on the path of knowledge (Jnana Yoga), cultivating of this Awareness
will facilitate the rise of Shakti and merging in Its Source Revealing the
Light that is the Self which gives light to all lights and makes perception at
all levels of consciousness possible.
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:00:44 EDT
From: AfperryATnospamaol.com
To: bergerATnospamnyc.tomen.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Please read and respond
Message-ID: <5ac4f021.35ae23adATnospamaol.com>
Dear Cathy,
In a message dated 16/7/98 3:02:39 pm, you wrote:
>I often feel sad because I know no one to share the truth of my life with.
>The only peace and comfort I know for this sadness is in reaching out to
spirit.
Here you speak for many on the spiritual path! I think this is something we
all have to come to terms with sooner or later. The downside can be loneliness
and the sadness of separation from those around you, but the upside is it
impels you to seek the Divine as your confidante and in so doing in enables
you to find the only true and permanent relationship we can ever have - with
God. And as we do so, we naturally overcome the downside; loneliness will
vanish like a will o' the wisp.
The learning of this can be painful, of course, but were it not so, would we
really want to learn? I suspect inertia would win otherwise :-)
God bless,
Alan
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:07:40 -0500
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: street sense
Message-Id: <l03020901b1d39278ae98ATnospam[206.103.216.207]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Freda, I'm really sorry this happened to you. Since no one else has
mentioned it, at least as of the last time I was able to download my
email.... When I go into the big city, I always wear dark sunglasses,
winter or summer, and as long into the evening as I can stand until it is
too dark to see.
It is tougher for someone to pick you as a victim if they can't see your
eyes. This is especially important if you are already feeling vulnerable. I
also tend to avoid eye contact (without appearing to avoid it, like staring
over someone's shoulder at something *really* interesting in the distance),
because I am easily "hooked" into whatever weirdness is going on with the
other person, unless I am feeling unusually strong and confident or I am
really *pissed off* about something!
I would also suggest not saying Hello to everyone you pass on the street.
Sometimes that is all the encouragement some people need. This may be
contrary to your friendly nature, but I am suggesting it anyway.
Just a little advice from the careful and antisocial
amckeon
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:07:13 -1000 (HST)
From: James C Jensen MD DABR <jcjensenATnospamwebtv.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-Id: <199807161907.JAA26226ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>
Daily kundalini classes move and unify energy and create a feeling of connectedness.
Date: 16 Jul 98 16:11:13 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Please read and respond
Message-Id: <35AE2621.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Dear Cathy,
> The only peace and comfort I know for this sadness is in reaching out
> to spirit. Reaching the meditative state where you feel connected at
> last to "yourself".
"And if by chance,
that special place"
"That you've been dreaming
of"
"Leads you to a
lonely place"
"Find your strength,
in love".
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:25:56 PDT
From: "Harsha IMTM" <harsha1mtmATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, jcjensenATnospamwebtv.net
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Daily kundalini classes move and unify energy and create a feeling of
connectedness.
Harsha: So does daily breathing.
Absolute Awareness dawns with Perfect Clarity when the mind has subsided
into the Total Silence of the Self. Here, Self Sees IT Self by It Self
and Through It Self.
Harsha
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:42:39 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: lhcpmgphATnospamiswt.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: depression
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Gregory Howard wrote:
Has anyone out there who has been through kundalini have a case of
manic-depression or depression ... since you have gone through
kundalini.
Joe:
Yes.
I was born with K awake, it has been active all my life (as was
explained by my teacher when I met him). I have learned to control and
work with K. That actually makes it more active, it just isn't random
now in where it goes or what it does.
I have had depression much of my life too. I was told by a minister who
had as more graduate hours in psych and counselling as many LCSWs (but
no, non-ministerial, license) that I was a manic-depressive when I was
in high school. If so, I grew out of it. By the time I was in my late
20s I was just depressive.
You asked about chemical imbalance, I don't have a clue. I know the
feelings and the thoughts. The chemical diagnosis would likely come from
a psychiatrist. I won't go to a psychiatrist, they are too prone to give
drugs (in the great animal/vegetable/mineral classification system I
don't want to change my status). I've used psychologists from time to
time.
Gregory Howard:
Have you overcome your depression or have the symptoms disappeared or
does it help with these new energies to cope with your depression.
Joe:
If one approaches Kundalini as a part of one's religious/spiritual
system it will be helpful. Not the K, but the strength gained from
having a spiritual/moral compass that is strong, and along with faith,
will provide both a guide and a lifejacket for the rough waters and see
you through the difficulties of the depression. As for Kundalini herself
(alone)....
It is not universal, but there is a tendency for K to actually increase
the crap you have to deal with, be it depression or some other crap
(issue or problem). It is a part of the cleaning process.
For any who get above Ajna there is a very unpleasant time ahead (part
of the "dark night of the soul") where all sorts of crap, some you have
previously had no clue about, much of it from past lives, comes up/out
and has to be dealt with. I have a friend who is at that point. He has
always had problems with pride and a need for approval. Now he doesn't
need approval, he demands it! Any question can strike him as an insult.
He is close to tossing away some important and much needed friends over
these minor (to nonexistent) slights. He is working on it, but it is
rough for him and for those around him.
You don't have to be at that point for K to make the bad stuff worse. It
does this sort of cleaning as it travels all the way from your bottom to
your top, it is just at its most intense above Ajna.
That may not have been what you wanted to hear. If one reaches
enlightenment I believe the depression will be gone. I've not been given
specific teachings to that effect but it is a logical extension from
some of the things I read in the scriptures and what I have been taught
by a K master from India. If I make it, I'll let you know for sure if
the logic is correct :-).
Namaste,
Joe
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