1998/07/14 00:31
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #509
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 509
Today's Topics: Re: (no subject)*street sense* [ "Jose Arroyo" ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ David Bozzi ] Re: Street Sense [ David Bozzi ]
Re: Street Sense [ Orea ] re-birth? [ "Bryan Baldwin" ]
Re: Street Sense [ "Dan Margolis" ] Re: Meaning of Life / Soul [ PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com ]
Dissecting the Frogs [ "Wonderer" ] "Interpreting this experience" [ "Wonderer" ]
re-birth? [ "Sessions, JoAnn F. (Artco)" ] Re: "Interpreting this experience" [ MoonDghtrATnospamaol.com ]
new address for Guy and Katrina [ Richasu Young ] Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:21:44 PDT
From: "Jose Arroyo" To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Sharon wrote: >< I'm sure a lot of people will think I'm a fool for living the way I
do. I > can only say, I'd rather be this way than to mistrust and withdraw. I
may > be a fool, but it works for me. Sharon >>
>
It is (almost) impossible to be who you are not. It is known that the more open one is the better target one is to be
talked about, attacked etc., but it is up to oneself to respond in a specific way to such 'attacks' :-)
I like to open myself and show who I really am, instead of the endless ly playing roles...
Michelle wrote:
>I'm with you a 1,000%!! I think we are all gently guided by Spirit, and that
>whatever "bad" happens to us is a blessing in disguise...a lesson that we need
>for growth. We just can't see it until we're "further on down the road."
>--Michele >
> Absolutely beautiful. Wonderful. Brilliant. Thank you!
(I'll shut up now and reread the beautiful text you choose to share)
Love and Joy, Jose
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Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:19:38 -0400
From: "Wonderer" To: "kundalini-1"
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Hello,
I was not raised in any religion, but I have been exposed to christianity plenty. I have read the bible a few times over, and I
have found it to be thought provoking and sometimes inspiring. I regard Jesus as an ascended master, god-realized, son of God, but not
the only son of God.
I prayed again to God last night to give me a chance to "move beyond", using the words delivered to me a while back as I slept, in
response to an earlier prayer to God for spiritual growth.
I awoke very disturbed by this dream:
First I heard the words "The bible is obsolete". Then, I dreamt I was seeking to "free" Jesus. I went to some sort of stone gates,
intending to storm them, but they opened and Jesus walked out followed by a long procession of followers dressed in white. I was
dressed in a tunic that looked as though it had been tye-dyed in many colors in a circular pattern.
I followed Jesus with the others, at a distance. He spoke to me; he
was bitter. He said no one called him the whole time he was in there. He spoke negatively about John the Beloved. An odor emanated
from his person. I was non-judgmental about his words, but just stared at him in awe and shock.
End of dream.
I was very disturbed by this dream. Here are some possible
explanations I have come up with:
1. The message that it is time to give up worshiping icons. Symbolized by the words "the bible is obsolete" and the unpleasant
(musty/moldy) odor and words coming from Jesus, after he was freed. It is as though he was kept prisoner, and now was finally being aired
out. Many of the Christian ideas surrounding Jesus are questionable, but I never dare question them to my Christian friends.
2. Subconscious psychological garbage being cleaned out of my
system.
3. A message from an evil entity, trying to have me break my desire to join a religious group or church. (This idea came from my
secretary, and I let it go unchallenged because she was obviously too threatened by the dream. I should not have shared it with her.)
I think 1. and 2, or maybe both are possible explanations. Any help
out there? Also, if I have offended anybody, I apologize. I do not like this dream myself.
Peace,
Cathy
[ "It is no more surprising to be born twice than to be born
once." -- Voltaire. ] Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:44:04 -0400
From: David Bozzi To: lhcpmgphATnospamiswt.com, Kundalini
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Gregory Howard wrote:
> (snip) I have been having trouble opening the 4th chakra. (snip) can anyone give me a specific technigue so that I can hear the anahata. Thank you Greg Howard
Do you want to open your heart or do you want a specific technique?
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:59:34 -0400 From: David Bozzi
To: Kundalini Subject: Re: Street Sense
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Orea wrote:
> I knew a gifted psychic who thought he didn't have to lock up his house > because that would show lack of faith in his protection. Guess what?
> An angry former associate knew his schedule, brought a couple of strong > cohorts and robbed him blind, stole his computer and all of his mailing
> lists, a large sum of cash he left in the desk drawer even though he had > a safe, etc.
Perhaps he had doubts?
> Faith has its place but nothing can replace common sense and simple
> precautions.
David (chaining the camel to the post)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:08:14 -0400 From: Orea
To: Kundalini l list Subject: Re: Street Sense
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>Orea wrote:
> >> I knew a gifted psychic who thought he didn't have to lock up his house
>> because that would show lack of faith in his protection. Guess what? >> An angry former associate knew his schedule, brought a couple of strong
>> cohorts and robbed him blind, stole his computer and all of his mailing >> lists, a large sum of cash he left in the desk drawer even though he had
>> a safe, etc. >
>Perhaps he had doubts? >
>> Faith has its place but nothing can replace common sense and simple >> precautions.
> >David
>(chaining the camel to the post)
I wasn't inside his head, all I can say is I never saw doubts. Was he in need of a major karmic kick in the butt? Absolutely. I say this lovingly.
My sister came across an affirmation that is relevant here. "I learn through love and laughter." It sure beats having the karmic crap kicked
out of you!
Lastly and most importantly:
*If I have to rely on the perfection of my faith for protection....I'll continue to lock my doors, thank you!* ;-)
Love,
Orea
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:51:31 -0400 From: "Bryan Baldwin"
To: Subject: re-birth?
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This is for onarresATnospaminreach.com, and I may be wrong.
I think of re-birthing almost like the ultamate
self-destruction. I think it may take a few days of thought, but I try to imagine, "If I didn't exist, and I had to pick what I wanted to be, what
would I be like" and then make it.
I think the hard part is destroying the self. I DO NOT EXIST.
From being nothing, I can look at what I know objectively, and
re-create a better me off of the objective knowledge of me.
(I'm trying to be clear, and almost confusing myself)
Perhaps a better thing is to create in your mind the perfect
you. Think of how a better you would function, and react to the real world. Visualize the Ideal psyche, then try to see how you fall short, and
replace your weaknesses with your thoughts on how you really want to be.
I hope I didn't just confuse you, I'll think on it
more. Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:46:02 -0400
From: "Wonderer" To: "Sessions, JoAnn F. (Artco)"
Cc: "kundalini-1" Subject: Re: Disturbing Dream
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Dear JoAnn
Thank you for your words. They are very helpful and moving. You
gave expression to that which I could not.
Cathy
" the interpretation that has been given to the bible is what imprisons those that truly love jesus in their hearts. When those
that are one with jesus are imprisoned then he also is imprisoned. Even in the days
when Jesus walked the earth, and he taught unconditional love. There were many who continued to teach the laws of damnation which keep men
from approaching and loving god, and hence Jesus. (snip)
> ladychristos (JoAnn) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:28:51 -0700
From: "Dan Margolis" To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Dan MargolisATnospamABM 07/13/98 10:28 AM
There is an old Islamic saying:
'Trust in Allah, but tie your camel first.' Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:50:32 EDT
From: PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com To: WEIVODAATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Meaning of Life / Soul
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Hi Kristin, Check out this Quantum physics site-
www.hotbitscafe.com/go/maitreya/quantum2.htm
Liz Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:56:18 -0400
From: "Wonderer" To: "kundalini-1"
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Hello K-list Friends,
Mystress, I'm at it again ...
In my astral reality, the physical universe is called the realm of cause and effect, because of the nature of change in this reality.
In this incarnation, I have learned:
1. Time is just an illusion caused by the ticks of change, and measured by us relative to the rates of change we perceive. The
illusion of time, thus, came into being with the creation of physical matter. Before that it was always NOW, and it still is NOW.
2. We are all also HERE; space too is an illusion caused by the
presence of matter. What is space, after all, but a void, or nothingness. Science already knows that all matter came from one
infinitesimally small point. That is all there really is .
I am Here Now. You are never really alone.
3. Take it one step further, and the latest science is finding that matter is just positive and negative energy in vibration, creating
the illusion of a solid. That is why people laugh when they figure it all out.
God is a master magician!
Peace,
Cathy
[ "It is no more surprising to be born twice than to be born once." -- Voltaire. ]
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:56:59 -0400 From: "Wonderer"
To: "Paul Torres" Cc: "kundalini-1"
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Hi Paul,
Sorry I took so long to get back to you on this. One of the main obstacles to overcome with OBE's is FEAR! Fear of leaving the body,
fear of the unknown, fear the body will die if you leave it...
Someone on this list, quite a while back, explained that for her the OBE is much like a trip in her imagination. I then realized that it
is all shades of gray, with the OBE being at one extreme, with lucid dreams, technicolor dreams, normal dreams, and flights of fancy
descending down the scale, and waking reality at the other end. I have experienced all of these. I view each of these as different
realities, regardless of whether you believe these are realities limited to your own imagination, or that they sometimes include the
participation of other people/entities. The rules just change for each type of reality. If one type of reality threatens you, such as
the OBE, settle for one of the others until you get comfortable enough to take it up another notch.
Anyway, to answer your direct question: I have thought about it, and
I feel your preconceived death idea, is just another fear. The kind that makes your blood run cold, I am sure. Right now, I am
struggling with my own major fear of going against organized religion, so I can identify with the paralyzing effect FEAR can have
on your ability to deal sensibly with the problem.
If you need to talk to someone, send me a private e-mail. I usually check my e-mail every day.
Cathy
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From: Paul Torres To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 5:18 AM Subject: Unidentified subject!
> I am just wondering what some of the possibilities are for >interpreting this experience.
> > A few years ago I had my first memorable out of body experience,
when >I got up out of bed, and turned around, and looked at myself
sleeping. >I somehow knew inhereintly what I could and could not do. My room,
and >the physical world looked similar, but kind of vague. I decided to
walk >through my wall. I am on the second floor, so when I finally passed
>totally through, I began to float gently to the ground. When I reached
>the ground, I proceeded to walk out into the street. As I walked, >instead of following the dimensions of my yard, I began to float. I
was >still moving my "legs" but I guess I really didn't need to. I
noticed >that I could float when I walked over past the hill in my front
yard, >and gravity did not pull me down. When I got to the middle of the
>street I looked around, and then began to walk up hill, floating still.
>I got two houses up when a car came down the street. It ran through me,
>and I was jolted back into my body. I haven't been able to do much else
>but reproduce the visualization of the event. >
>Tonight I couldn't fall asleep, and I had a headache. I decided to walk
>down the street, and memories of the experienced flooded my head. I >felt hyper-aware, but psychically everything seemed to be hiding
from >the questions that I was feeling. It felt as though I was in a
world >where all of the shadows were watching me in fear(?). I then had a
>strange thought that this may have been a preconcieved death for me. > This struck me hard, and I am not sure what to make of it. I am
>looking for clues. >
>Thank you, >Experiential detective,
>Paul Torres. >
>______________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:35:16 -0500
From: "Sessions, JoAnn F. (Artco)" To: "'Post'"
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I think of the process of rebirth as an on going natural consequence of life. When we live we have experiences that change the way we view the
world and how we experience reality. When we reach a point where we are able to let go of what we have learned from the world, and begin to
truly experience life for ourselves, we begin the process of being re-born. Our perceptions and our limitation change. We change within
ourselves, and as a result the out side world responds differently towards us.
To be reborn, first see the world from the eyes of a child, then begin
again to learn.
ladychristos ----------
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:44:31 PDT From: "Kimberly Nixon"
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Disturbing Dream
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>
>I was very disturbed by this dream. Here are some possible >explanations I have come up with:
> >1. The message that it is time to give up worshiping icons.
>Symbolized by the words "the bible is obsolete" and the unpleasant >(musty/moldy) odor and words coming from Jesus, after he was freed.
>It is as though he was kept prisoner, and now was finally being aired >out. Many of the Christian ideas surrounding Jesus are questionable,
>but I never dare question them to my Christian friends. >
This does make some sense to me because I refuse to worship an icon, my theory or thoughts about wearing a crucifix on my neck is why would one
care to wear the very thing that killed him for us. Would someone wear the imgage of a gun that killed a family member. Forgive me if I'm going
on a tangent with this, I just feel strongly about images. >2. Subconscious psychological garbage being cleaned out of my
>system. >
I agree here too. >3. A message from an evil entity, trying to have me break my desire
>to join a religious group or church. (This idea came from my >secretary, and I let it go unchallenged because she was obviously too
>threatened by the dream. I should not have shared it with her.) >
We must remember in the Bible it says something of familiar spirits, this could have been an evil one.
Kim
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Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:49:53 +0100
From: "Lobster" To: "Kundalini - L"
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>It took almost twenty years of work in meditation, martial arts, and >generally overcoming my own ignorance for me to realize that so much
>violence in my life originated from my own fear. Much of this fear was able
>to grow in me because I was unable to allow the Love shown to me by others >to penetrate into my Heart.
Hi Mike, Welcome to Kundalini,
Exactly so.
Exactly so. Violence, anger, negativity, etc. is a manifestion of fear. Love is
fearless and people Love in the presence of Love and people want to Love. Did I mention Love already. Good luck to you. Grow in Love.
>I no longer sleep with a firearm by the bed, but I still tie my camels up >at
>night.
Kinky stuff - eh? ;-)
Be Well, Be Happy Be Kind
Lobster Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:27:25 EDT
From: MoonDghtrATnospamaol.com To: mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: "Interpreting this experience"
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Cathy wrote: < Sorry I took so long to get back to you on this. One of the main
obstacles to overcome with OBE's is FEAR! Fear of leaving the body, fear of the unknown, fear the body will die if you leave it... >>
You nailed it right on the head. Every time I start to leave *WHAM* ! the fear brings me right on back. I'm scared that if I let go, I will lose myself
somehow. Is that just ego or is it a legitamate fear? ~~~Judy
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:17:38 -0400 From: Richasu Young
To: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" Subject: new address for Guy and Katrina
Message-ID:
I have had some difficulty geting reestablished on line. I have not gotten e-mail for a few days and have missed your discussions.
Guy Johnson Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:16:58 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent To: "Wonderer"
Cc: "kundalini-1" Subject: Re: Disturbing Dream
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Heya:
The best and simplest way to analyse any dream, is to realize that each player in the dream reflects an aspect in yourself, and imagine being that
aspect and see what you learn. From that perspective, the message is very clearly about freeing the Christ aspect within yourself, from the limits of
the Bible oriented Christian structures. The smell of compost is a sign of decay, which promises renewal. A
common theme in K-dreams. We are all being destroyed and reborn in every cell of our being, all the time. Wheel of life. Your old ideas of Jesus are
decaying.
At 10:19 AM 13/07/98 -0400, Wonderer wrote: >Hello,
> >I was not raised in any religion, but I have been exposed to
>christianity plenty. I have read the bible a few times over, and I >have found it to be thought provoking and sometimes inspiring. I
>regard Jesus as an ascended master, god-realized, son of God, but not >the only son of God.
Well then, you are a Gnostic Christian, and don't know it. Me too. My Roman Catholic Schoolgirl inner child found peace in gnosticism. It fits
better with my adult self of blissful pagan hedonism. Gnostic Christianity is a "living" religion.. it focuses on awakening the
Christ aspect within each person, and is really the only form of Christianity I have come across that directly addresses K.A.
It predates the ecumenical councils that edited the Bible for the
purposes of controlling the populace. Robert Anton Wilson in one of his fictional "Illuminati" novels suggested the early Christian church became
hijacked by a "meme" (idea/thought form) virus and pushed onto a different course.
Gnosticism understands that the living voice of the Christ consciousness.. the heart voice is a direct communication from the Divine
in the moment which must take precedence over written words... a scary idea, for those who sit high in the seats of power.
Especially since Awakened ones grow to be like a force of nature which cannot be controlled, and instead infect others with awakening.. an effect
that is rampant at these end times. Indeed, K. is a kind of anarchy on the surface, the way predicting the
weather always seemed chaotic to mathematicians. They had to find a new way of seeing.. create chaos math, to understand that underlying the apparent
chaos is a divine order that cannot be fully comprehended or quantified by the consciousness observing it.. Some factors must always appear to be
random because we cannot comprehend the whole pattern. However, you can find a lot of information on it on the net, and if you
tell your friends you are a Gnostic Christian most of them will be comforted. Coz they've probably never heard of it, will not ask for fear of
being preached at, and so will not twig to realizing you are saying you are a awakened/born again radical Christian heretic. Many saints were also
Gnostic.
>3. A message from an evil entity, trying to have me break my desire >to join a religious group or church. (This idea came from my
>secretary, and I let it go unchallenged because she was obviously too >threatened by the dream. I should not have shared it with her.)
(shrug) Perfection Is. Evil is illusion. I would not be telling you about Gnosticism if her reaction to you had not caused you to tell me you were
looking for a compatable form of Christianity. Blessings, Mystress.
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:32:51 -0400 From: cdreesATnospamravenet.com (Christopher Rees)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Hello
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Hello..
Christopher D. Rees here
Located in the Northeast area...
29 years old, 6'0, 220 lbs, athletic, very involved in the martial arts. I have been receiving massage, mostly mainstream, for about 8
years (shiatsu, swedish, etc.) and recently became aware of kundalini. I would like as much information as possible about this practice, and
anyone in the northeast (Tri-State area) DE, PA, NJ, MD area who would be interested in working and teaching with me... showing me first hand
what this type of meditative practice entails.
please respond to cdreesATnospamravenet.com
Thanks very much,
look forward to hearing from everyone. Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:00:31 -0400
From: David Bozzi To: "iamATnospamonelist.com" , Kundalini ,
Damaris Subject: Listening To Mimes
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Listening To Mimes
Sailing along on hard.
Concrete. On a city street.
Where strangers meet. There's a curious blend of surrender and control.
A mime submits to nothing there.
Trapped in a box. Like a participant. Sacrificed.
Under an Aztec sun. (Heart carved and trembling)
The way I've acted...
(that's the wound lashing out.)
Orbit decays. And crashes into the sun.
No muse.
Just the news. (just beyond detection)
There's Divine space...
No time waiting for a cool breeze in Hell...
Nothing gets wasted. (and nothing dies.)
In the city.
Silence breeds forever. I see.
While listening to mimes.
(PEACE)
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