1998/07/10 16:08
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #505
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 505
Today's Topics: Re: Crown chakra [ "Paul West" ]
Re: Crown chakra [ "Wonderer" ] RE: Crown chakra [ Richasu Young ]
Re: Begging Your Pardon [ Kabir ] RE: Captives of the mind [ "jb" ]
Re: Freda's "fangs" [ Kabir ] Re: Introduction [ Kabir ]
God [ "Bryan Baldwin" ] RE: Introduction [ "Sessions, JoAnn F. (Artco)" ]
Date: 4 Jan 78 16:58:27 +0000 From: "Paul West"
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Crown chakra
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Liz,
> I've been having experiences at night, usually when I'm asleep, my > whole brain or third eye or ? fills up with light. Could that be
> energy trying to get to my crown?
Maybe. Not that I'm expert on the phenomenon.
But, I must ask, why do you skirt over the light and start asking questions about where it's headed or where it `supposed' to be? You
sound almost excited about the prospect you being so adept that anything but the highest chakra activity is not good enough for you,
so there must be a blockage? Sorry if this sounds harsh or rude. Just sounds like you take it for granted in some way.
Incidentally I've seen light in my third eye area a few times. When I
was trying to have OOBE's I would sometimes try to look through my third eye, placing my perception there, and would often observe a
white light high up in the field of view. But that's the only time I've personally experienced this white light in my head.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:58:03 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com, hlutharATnospambryant.edu, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Summary from Part 1: Stanley (not his real name), a 55 year old insurance
executive, had suffered a stroke. The left side of his face was still partially paralyzed and he spoke with some difficulty. As part of his
rehabilitation he had joined a posh Health Club. At the health club Stanley met Harsha who was teaching yoga classes there to make a living. Stanley
became a regular at Harsha's yoga classes. Harsha noted that Stanley had difficulty with even small movements and his body shook often when he did
simple postures. However, despite the difficulties he faced, Stanley was always enthusiastic and cheerful and making jokes. Harsha found this to be an
endearing quality.
Conclusion from Part 1: < Once Stanley asked me, "Can the practice of Kundalini Yoga cure my impotence." Stanley told me that he used to have three
girlfriends before his stroke but they had left him. I did not know what to say. I was 22 and a bit naive. I told him that Kundalini Yoga was about
transmuting sexual energies into spiritual energies. Stanley smiled with his paralyzed face quivering and said, "But I want to convert spiritual energy
into sexual energy!" He added with a wink, "I only come to your yoga class to see those pretty girls doing those postures. Can you introduce me to some of
them?" I scratched my head and looked at him. >>
Part 2: "Stanley, that is not my field of expertise," I finally said. "I am training to be a monk. I probably should not even be talking to you about
this. It could put ideas in my own head! In any case you should focus on recovering completely first." Stanley speaking with difficulty but with
passion said, "Just because you are nuts does not mean that everyone else should be. For God sake man what else is there in life! Women have to be to
be part of my recovery Harsha! I need them! I need them more than ever now because............well, because I can't do a lot of things I could before.
But I will be able to. I am working on the weights in the Gym. I am taking your yoga classes. I am getting stronger and more flexible. There are so
many beautiful women here Harsha. I have a lot to offer still. I am going to recover totally in every way. I am only 55. I have a lot of money. I don't
have to work a day in my life now. There are endless possibilities. Help me out a little Harsha. Introduce me to some your pretty students after the
class." I asked, "What would I say? How would I introduce you Stanley? I have never done this before." Stanley then gave me the "talking points" along
with detailed instructions on how he should be introduced for maximum effect.
To be continued.......................................... Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:25:43 -0400
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>Harsha: Could you clarify Cathy? Perhaps you are mixing me up with someone else.
I'm sorry Harsha; I must have. I have also deleted a lot of old
e-mail and can't shed any light on this right now.
Cathy Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:23:32 -0400
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Liz wrote:
>I've been having experiences at night, usually when I'm asleep, my whole brain or third eye or ? fills up with light. Could that be
energy trying to get to my crown? >
Hi Liz,
I'm glad you brought this up. Years ago, I was astonished to learn
that other people do NOT see lights in their head. For me, the intensity of the light increases with deep meditation, and kundalini
activation.
On rare occasion, I have seen it get quite brilliant. The thing to do with it, I think is try to merge. For me, this creates a state of
one-pointed focus and astral projection into what I think is a "light body" (it is different from the usual astral body). This type
of concentration/experience is quite rare for me.
If you practice chakra activation, does this also cause you to perceive the light in your third eye? I see light at the third eye
and crown chakras, but the brilliant light experience seems to be at the back of my head. Merging with it requires me to "turn around"
inside my head, and is not easy.
Anyone else have experience with this?
Cathy Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:52:55 -0400
From: Richasu Young To: "'Paul West'" ,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com"
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Dear liz,
The light that you experience is part of your growth process and if you can teach yourself to grasp the light with your will, you will experience many different colors often starting out as a bright point of light in the center of the third eye. The colors are of an unearthly beauty, cobalt blue, yellow, white, pink, green, purple, and blue. Firmly grasp the pin point of color with divine will and without intention, the light will fill the entire crown. Do not mistake this devine light as being simply beautiful, because it is devine knowledge and is the gift of knowing. You will likely spend the rest of your life trying explainning that which cannot be explained. The knowledge of the light can be shared, utilizing the intensity of the kundalini a master can blend spiritualy with the seeker sharing the knowledge through the art of oneness. The seeker has accquired knowing by becoming that knowing. Love and Compassion. -----Original Message-----
From: Paul West [SMTP:paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 1978 11:58 AM
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Crown chakra
Liz,
> I've been having experiences at night, usually when I'm asleep, my
> whole brain or third eye or ? fills up with light. Could that be > energy trying to get to my crown?
Maybe. Not that I'm expert on the phenomenon.
But, I must ask, why do you skirt over the light and start asking
questions about where it's headed or where it `supposed' to be? You sound almost excited about the prospect you being so adept that
anything but the highest chakra activity is not good enough for you, so there must be a blockage? Sorry if this sounds harsh or rude. Just
sounds like you take it for granted in some way.
Incidentally I've seen light in my third eye area a few times. When I was trying to have OOBE's I would sometimes try to look through my
third eye, placing my perception there, and would often observe a white light high up in the field of view. But that's the only time
I've personally experienced this white light in my head.
-- Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:43:41 -0700 From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
To: "Wonderer" Cc: ,
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At 04:23 PM 10/07/98 -0400, Wonderer wrote: >Liz wrote:
> >>I've been having experiences at night, usually when I'm asleep, my
>whole brain or third eye or ? fills up with light. Could that be >energy trying to get to my crown?
>> >
>Hi Liz, >
>I'm glad you brought this up. Years ago, I was astonished to learn >that other people do NOT see lights in their head. For me, the
>intensity of the light increases with deep meditation, and kundalini >activation.
> LOL! Me too.. I used to watch it to fall asleep as a child, as a game.
It was not until someone mentioned the light in theri mind keeping them awake, on the list that I found out that not everyone has lights in their
head. BB, A.
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:19:19 EDT From: PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com
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Thanks, Freda.
I am sick of dealing with the demon, Paul. I guess I should have realized what he is when I say his e-mail address.
I don't care what he says, by the way. I have my own ideas but I am looking for a few other nice responses, maybe some reinteration of what I all ready
feel myself. I have been through MANY K experiences but I am not an ego freak like some
people. I tend to keep things to myself and sometimes I talk to one friend about them. I am, for the most part, introverted.
Get a light,
Paul
Liz Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:29:12 +0100
From: Chris Hughes To: ,
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The message
from "Wonderer" contains these words:
> >Harsha: Could you clarify Cathy? Perhaps you are mixing me up with
> someone else.
> I'm sorry Harsha; I must have. I have also deleted a lot of old > e-mail and can't shed any light on this right now.
> Cathy
Dear Soul
Harshadeva please forward this to Cathy. I cant access her E mail address I have read the poetry and the Tantric literature which you have
written and found it most helpful. Sai Ram
Chris
Dear Soul Cathy I think it is Danjel ( not right spelling ? ) Going to see his and
my Sai Baba The Avater in India that you refer to. if you want to hear more about Sai Baba, I have been to his Ashram in Putaparti, E
Mail me and I will oblige. Chris
Sai Ram Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:46:45 -0400
From: Richasu Young To: "'Wonderer'" ,
"PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com" ,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com"
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Dear liz,
Living with light inside my head has become a constant in my life for many years, The light inside is much brighter then bright daylight. In truth the experience of closing my eyes is one of total bliss in a limitless undulating sea of total emersion without a three dementional format. The art of becoming light is being of total focus yet alowing without intent. The you become the all knowing One, with your intelect along as observer. It helps to develope the ability to open and hold open all the Chakras with the will allowing the Kundalini energy to flow into the mind and producing a higher state of conscious and a therfore more awareness of the experience.
-----Original Message----- From: Wonderer [SMTP:mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com]
Sent: Friday, July 10, 1998 4:24 PM To: PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com; kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Crown chakra
Liz wrote:
>I've been having experiences at night, usually when I'm asleep, my whole brain or third eye or ? fills up with light. Could that be
energy trying to get to my crown? >
Hi Liz,
I'm glad you brought this up. Years ago, I was astonished to learn
that other people do NOT see lights in their head. For me, the intensity of the light increases with deep meditation, and kundalini
activation.
On rare occasion, I have seen it get quite brilliant. The thing to do with it, I think is try to merge. For me, this creates a state of
one-pointed focus and astral projection into what I think is a "light body" (it is different from the usual astral body). This type
of concentration/experience is quite rare for me.
If you practice chakra activation, does this also cause you to perceive the light in your third eye? I see light at the third eye
and crown chakras, but the brilliant light experience seems to be at the back of my head. Merging with it requires me to "turn around"
inside my head, and is not easy.
Anyone else have experience with this?
Cathy Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:01:02 EDT
From: PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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If anyone else is interested, e-mail me.
Liz
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:03:20 -0400 From: "Ed Arrons"
To: Subject: Pretense
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Thankfully, the symptoms in this moment of separation, this pseudo "now", can be recognized: the mind in linear mode,
typing letters and words in sequence; the possibility of endless discussion in concepts metaphorically parallel to various truths
that prevent the actual experience; the wanting of recognition and assurance of being 'wise' or humorous; the possibility of
drifting from subject to subject without a sense of completeness; the temptation to indulge in pretentious spirituality, humility, and
self-awareness.....Oops! :-) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:11:21 +0200
From: Kabir To: fredaATnospamnwlink.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Begging Your Pardon
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Hi Freda,
you wrote:
> In my case,,, whatever I say... write, do... seems nasty to people... > this is not how I feel, this is not how I am meaning to come across, I
> have been in good spirits for ... okay, a short time.,,, but I truely > have not ment to offend anyone...
> [...snip...] > seriously, this is not just a problem here on the list,,, it is all over
> my life.... I seem to be caustic... like battery acid dripping from my > fingers and my lips.... changes the final product... destructive stuff.
The same holds true for me. What a "gift", isn't it?
My whole life I tried to be "soft" and "pleasing" -- only to find out now
while the energy is rising that this was a result of the 'education' I was getting
from everybody. I learned to be friendly -- the result was becoming unnatural.
We are talented. Mozart was making music since the age of three --
I was making people angry since the age of three ;-)
This talent is needed. Obviously nobody is going to see her/his falsehood, his/her pretentions, lies etc. without the little helping hand of being
upset (at least I need that). So "block-busters" are needed. The problem seems
to be that nobody wants it, but that's exactly why it's needed.
Let me repeat it: it's a gift. A gift from God, or from nature, or the Tao, or whatever name you may prefer -- not a gift from society, because
the society wants us to "behave", right?
If you see it that way (as I do -- no joking about that), the situation is:
1.) We have to become aware, that we are natural upsetters.
Some people are not as we are, but we are.
2.) We have to train this upsetting talent. For that training years
we need some friends who are upsetters, too. This will teach us natural upsetters for example how painful and how relieving
it can be to be upsetted beyond our own (educationally trained) limits. And it will teach us to use this talent without personal
interests.
3.) And finally we need an environment, where upsetting is wanted.
Not everybody wants it, but some rare people seem to be more interested in truth, than in "politeness", right? I call these friends ...
Perhaps you find some of your friends somewhere around a real
spiritual "teacher" or at a place where meditation is not only done to protect ones own self-image, but where self-knowledge does
not stop at the usual "now you've hurt my feelings"-barrier.
A lot of my friends are of that kind - not easily handled, I tell you. But we must be needed, otherwise we wouldn't be here.
I see a strong parallel between the many Kundalini break-throughs
(many, many more than we had 20 year ago) and the appearance of the many people gifted with upsetting talents. Natural destroyers
so to say. I've heard we are living in a Kali Yuga - the time of destruction.
And this is as natural as creating something new or maintaining the state of the things. Do you think, the false, egotistic attitudes with which we
are destroying the life on the planet is going away just by saying "please, go away"? I don't think so.
Many of the people having their "Kundalini wake-ups" now, have a lot of
Kali (or Shiva) energy. Do you see the big picture?
So my advice is: get yourself some friends with the same energy and start playing. Who the hell cares being called a snot, ol' woman? That's fun!
At least for you (otherwise you wouldn't use these words, would you?). And on the really rare occasions when they say: "Hey, listen ol' man,
your not as ugly, as you look!" -- that touches me deeper than the ususal phony compliments.
What do you want: compliments or friends? Make up you mind and then go for
it.
And don't call me "friend" before we had some really good verbal fights, got it?
__
I would like to improve my English... if you find anything wrong or unusual in my texts, please send me an email. Kabir
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 23:15:10 +0100 From: "jb"
To: "K. list" Subject: RE: Captives of the mind
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Dear Jose,
My post was about : 'inner' and 'outer' senses. Nowhere did I use the words
'intuition' and 'knowing'. I didn't have intuition in mind, as (IMO) it doesn't belong to the class of senses that can be 'inner' and 'outer' - one
can even argue it isn't a sense. A musician learns to develop the sense of 'inner' hearing. This will enable to compose music without the use of the
'outer' sense. Several composers created music after having become deaf, like Beethoven. For a sculptor or a painter or nowadays a graphic artist the
'inner' vision is a source of inspiration too. Some meditators will create an inner vision as a tool to develop one-pointedness and devotion. With K.
it is easy to enhance all 'inner' senses and also to create the objects for those senses. This way, the 'inner' senses can provide more and better
enjoyment than the 'outer' senses. As long as one knows that for the Self both 'inner' and 'outer' senses are external, it is no problem. If one fails
to recognize that the objects of the 'inner' senses are mind-created, they can start to lead an independent life and then it is easy to become a
captive of the mind.
Jan Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:16:42 +0200
From: Kabir To: deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Freda's "fangs"
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Kathy wrote:
> I think sometimes it is difficult when women speak/write assertively and ask questions, when we > have been taught (my experience here) from early on that we are neither to speak out loudly nor
> question authority, and that silence is "golden."
Where are these "golden" ladies? Are you one of them, Kathy? It doesn't sound so to me ;-)
__ I would like to improve my English... if you find anything wrong
or unusual in my texts, please send me an email. Kabir Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:28:36 +0200
From: Kabir To: "Sessions, JoAnn F. (Artco)"
CC: "'Post'" Subject: Re: Introduction
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Sessions, JoAnn F. (Artco) wrote: Dear fellow members of Kundalini,
Let me introduce myself to
you. I have recently been led to the experience of learning or remembering more about Kundalini and Tantric
Yoga. OK enough of an introduction. I got you. What
are you SELLING?
Freda, are you listening? - This was for you :-) __
I would like to improve my English... if you find anything wrong or unusual in my texts, please send me an email. Kabir
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:34:29 -0400
From: "Bryan Baldwin" To:
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Kabir> we are God
Thank you Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:49:31 -0700
From: freda To: Kabir
CC: "Sessions, JoAnn F. (Artco)" , "'Post'"
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Kabir,
I dont know what you are
or who you are nor do I have any desire
to associate at this time with anyone with this "gift" you are so proud of...
please, leave me out of this game you are playing.
I want no part of this. Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:45:48 -0500
From: "Sessions, JoAnn F. (Artco)" To: "'Post'"
Cc: "'KabirATnospamzenhouse.com'" Subject: RE: Introduction
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I just have to let you know you brought a smiles to my face today.... Let me check my house of many wares and see what I have to offer
you... of course the price shall be only as precious as the gift... (**as a bag lady - smiling and laughing quietly to herself- turns her
back slightly toward you as she reaches into her bag made of paper**)
I enjoy your spirit Kabir.. walk in light, love, and laughter.....
Are you a zen priest? To: Bryan Baldwin
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: God
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Bryan Baldwin wrote:
Kabir> we are God
Oh my God! I cannot remember having said that. Am I getting old, or was I referring
to my Godly skillful mastery of arts as a computer programmer?
You know us Real Programmers have a lot of talents but up to now I was not aware,
that creating email by pure thoughts alone was among my gifted abilities.
Please advise.
__ I would like to improve my English... if you find anything wrong
or unusual in my texts, please send me an email. Kabir
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