1998/07/09 14:00
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #503
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 503
Today's Topics: Re: What's happening? [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Wounded cry for help [ nancy ] Re: Changing the Subject [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Wounded cry for help [ jason spencer ] Endless Possibilities - Short Story- [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Waiting for the dust to clear...(not [ Kathy ] FW: you are the master [ Richasu Young ]
Re: Now I Need Help Too [ "Jose Arroyo"
In a message dated 7/8/1998 6:56:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, onarresATnospaminreach.com writes:
< Mystress, write something - we all need a K fix! Where are you Avatar?
Lobster, we need you! Kath, Sharon - anyone? This is the first time in two years that it has been this quiet...
>> Harsha writes: Some time ago a Young man wrote on the Kundalini List and
sought advice about whether to get married or not. Marriage and sex are great fears to Kundalini Yoga practitioners as they pose a threat to Kundalini
rising to higher centers. Many Gurus advocate celibacy. However, the number of Spiritual teachers in virtually every sect and tradition who have been
caught having sex with their disciples is so huge that it would constitute a rather long list. This complex topic has been treated somewhat in my paper on
Kundalini Shakti in the context of Love and Sensuality. This paper is on the Kundalini Home site run by Frans.
The Spiritual Experience and the Awakening of
>Kundalini Shakti in Tantra Yoga >http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/kundalini/harsh.html
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:13:33 -0600 From: nancy
To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" Subject: Wounded cry for help
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I received a very disturbing letter today.
I interacted with this woman for one week two years ago. I was in a role of her supervisor and as part of that role, I had to edit her work. She
became highly insulted over any suggestions and left abruptly one week after she started working. Over the course of the last two years, she
has had a very difficult time in life. She hasn't had a job. She has CP and thinks that I was out to get her because of her physical disability.
She feels like her dreams are crushed, and it's all because of me.
Needless to say, I was very surprised to hear that this person who was no more than a passing face in my life has such an attachment to this
interaction. I want to respond, but she seems so unbalanced (maybe suicidal?) that I don't want my comments to aggravate the situation.
Yet, I feel that she is so filled with bitterness that she needs a gentle intervening force to help her begin to heal.
Ideas appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Nancy
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:01:12 EDT From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Changing the Subject
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In a message dated 7/8/1998 10:05:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com writes:
< Hello,
This message is for Harsha. I've been curious as to how went your
recent trip to visit your guru. Did you learn anything new, or have any interesting experiences? Please share with us. I would love to
hear what it is like traveling in India, as opposed to all the detail we've shared on US holidays and customs of late.
Cathy >>
Harsha: Could you clarify Cathy? Perhaps you are mixing me up with someone
else.
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 23:26:04 -0600 From: jason spencer
To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" Subject: Re: Wounded cry for help
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nancy wrote:
> I received a very disturbing letter today. >
> I interacted with this woman for one week two years ago. I was in a role > of her supervisor and as part of that role, I had to edit her work. She
> became highly insulted over any suggestions and left abruptly one week > after she started working. Over the course of the last two years, she
> has had a very difficult time in life. She hasn't had a job. She has CP > and thinks that I was out to get her because of her physical disability.
> She feels like her dreams are crushed, and it's all because of me.
Nancy,
How did you find out that this lady has this against you. Mabey that person can help her to get it. Id also pray for her. This lady may just
be using you as anexcuse to be mad at the world for her disability. If the woman is suicidal for sure pray for her.
Aimee Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 05:39:14 -0500
From: Susan Angelo To: jim privacy
CC: NancyATnospamwtp.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Snake dream
Message-ID:
A similar take is the woman holding the snake is an aspect of yourself (every person you dream about is an aspect of yourself in some dream
interpretations) - your higher self? teaching you to control a habit (animals symbolize habits although I'm sure a snake has special meaning).
Possibly your separation from this man was long overdue, or you told him something you needed to say. Episodes 2 & 3 were integrations of aspects of
yourself - episode 2 being a consoling/nurturing - thanking yourself for the letting him go thing, and in 3 you're giving yourself satisfaction.
jim privacy wrote:
> Nancy wrote:
> > >Seems like snake dreams are recurring for me...not sure if anyone else
> also has these. Are these another symptom of kundalini? >
> *** That's what I've read, anyway. Common dream is to get bit by a > snake. Supposed to be good luck if, in the dream, the snake is a Cobra
> and you get bit on middle finger of right hand. I wouldn't make that up. >
> >My latest snake dream happened two nights ago. I remember three key > >fragments to the dream...
> > > >First fragment:
> >Someone (another woman?) is holding a rattlesnake by the neck. I am > >standing directly across from her, but I am not afraid. She knows what
> she is doing and is teaching me how to hold the snake without getting > bit.
> > > >Second fragment:
> >I am with this man I know. We're hugging and kissing in a nurturing > way. [Note: In "real" life this man and I had a falling out several
> weeks ago.] > >
> >Third fragment: > >I'm having oral sex with another woman. I am not homosexual and realize
> this in the dream and wonder what the hell I'm doing with this nameless, > faceless woman.
> > > >I feel that the three fragments of this dream are linked together and
> >are trying to convey an important spiritual message. Though I have some > ideas on the individual fragments, I'm not picking up on the overall
> message. Any feedback is appreciated. > >
> >Thanks, > >Nancy
> > Dear Nancy:
> > I don't know much about dream interpretation. But the first thing that
> came to mind was that, by learning to "handle" the k energy, you would > learn to love others and love yourself. That may be oversimplified, but
> it ties the 3 fragments together in 1 message. >
> Or, it may be that you will learn to love men and women equally, in case > you currently have more trouble with one sex vs. the other.
> > You may be receiving instruction in handling k from an outside person or
> you may get inner guidance. The former boyfriend is just a symbol of a > happy loving relationship, IMO. The same-sex oral sex could just be a
> symbol for self love, not literally lesbianism. >
> Hope this is helpful. Love, -Jim >
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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 04:10:37 PDT From: "Jose Arroyo"
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Wondering ?
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>
>Wondering what others may do if they, like myself, came to see >words as redundant...feeling joy and love only in deep silence...
>in a peace of mind. >
>Of course, I could wonder why I am wondering...or you could give >me a piece of your mind. :-)
>
Or... you may as you stated before just SENSE the Joy and Love. Use the 'tools' for what they are the most appropriate.
Love and Joy,
Jose
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From: "jb" To: "Iam" , "K. list"
Subject: Interesting site Message-ID:
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On http://www.gurbani.org/
you can find many interesting articles Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:17:29 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com, hlutharATnospambryant.edu, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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About 20 years ago or so a man, 55 years of age, started coming to my yoga
classes. He was a wealthy insurance executive. He was recovering from a stroke and part of his face was paralyzed. He spoke with some difficulty. He
could hardly even attempt any posture but he tried. His whole body shook sometimes. Because he was on disability he had a lot of time on his hand and
often spent hours at the Health club where I taught yoga. I sometimes spoke to him about Kundalini Yoga. Once he asked me, "Can the practice of Kundalini
Yoga cure my impotence." He told me that he used to have three girlfriends before his stroke but they had left him. I did not know what to say. I was
22 and a bit naive. I told him that Kundalini Yoga was about transmuting sexual energies into spiritual energies. He smiled with his paralyzed face
quivering and said, "But I want to convert spiritual energy into sexual energy!" He added with a wink, "I only come to your yoga class to see those
pretty girls doing those postures. Can you introduce me to some of them?" I scratched my head and looked at him.
To be continued...........................Harsha
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 09:36:06 -0500 From: Kathy
To: kundalini-l-dATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Waiting for the dust to clear...(not stranding the newbies)
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...from the latest 'melees' here. (rambling post follows)
*dor* asked where 'everyone' was, I've been sporadically posting to the p-list and a reiki list and doing more inner-oriented work, plus the k-list has been sort of spastic recently,
dontchathink? Lots of little niggling crap must be working its way out of a lot of us, plus the heat where I live has been making me pretty much 'comatose'...
I've also been having some acupuncture and chiropractic adjustments for carpal tunnel and some
neck stuff (upper cervical vertebrae are all funky looking, no wonder I can't 'head' the ball in soccer!) and haven't been on the keyboard quite as much...interesting experience at the chiros
though the other day...a 'diathermy' machine (basically a 'microwave' sort of machine to heat deeply into the body to help healing) was triggering an unusual (I guess) physical response in
my hands...I had done it a couple days previous with no weird electrical tingles, but this time it felt like blue lightning zapping between my thumbs, strong enough to make me yelp and pull my
hands from beneath the machine. The doc said he'd never seen that happen before and checked the machine, but it was fine, all grounded and everything...so I am attributing it to kundalini
energy or reiki...there's been quite a bit of energy moving in me recently and it wouldn't surprise me one bit. As I type this I can feel the warmth running up my back and my feet
tingling...so yes, intuition is saying, that's what it is.
So personally I'm wallowing in self-absorption right now.
To the new posters or delurkers...
Yes, we are here, it is just another quiet moment (but the signal to noise ratio has been sorta funky...then again what is 'noise' is perfectly subjective)...
We are here though. If ever in need and nobody's coming to your call, you can visit some of the
websites out there...there have been lists of the URLs posted but even if you do a search on the word kundalini you will get quite a few of them. Our own Mystress' grounding page is a good
place to begin... Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:00:10 -0400
From: Richasu Young To: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'"
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Cc: 'kundalini-1ATnospamexecpc.com' Subject: you are the master
If your master claims to be your master, then you have found a veil to your own oneness with the universe. Any being or religion that proclaims to "be the path " to enlightenment, and asks that you follow it only, is in fact a block to your own enlightenment. Your belief that you are not worthy keeps you from the truth of your own grace and inner light. Awareness of this is the key to finding your own way there. Belief in your separatness is all that stands between you and cosmic conciousness. You have a unique path, complete with a myriad GIFTS called emotional lessons. This and only this is your Earthly responsibilty. Beware anyone who offers their truth as the only way to find your own.
Guy & Katrina
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 08:35:40 -0700 From: freda
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Begging Your Pardon
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Good Morning Group, Recently it has been pointed out to me that I have developed a
personality flaw.... don't quite know what is going on,, but whenever I try to communicate...? I offend.
If I have offended,,, I am truely sorry.
Any of you ever watch "Bewitched" the sitcom about the witch Samantha, who twithched her nose to perform magic?... I feel like poor Darin
Stevens, (Samanthas hubby) when his mother-in-law would put spells on him.... just to mess with his reality...
In my case,,, whatever I say... write, do... seems nasty to people... this is not how I feel, this is not how I am meaning to come across, I
have been in good spirits for ... okay, a short time.,,, but I truely have not ment to offend anyone...
I am gonna keep my mouth shut for a while,,, or try... maybe get the
digest form of the Klist ... not so much temptation to speak out... move to the mountians.... live in a cave...
only kidding,,,,
seriously, this is not just a problem here on the list,,, it is all over my life.... I seem to be caustic... like battery acid dripping from my
fingers and my lips.... changes the final product... destructive stuff.
I dont feel like a snot or a cranky ol' woman, but I appear to be to the rest of the human race.... I really don't want this.
Again, I am sincerly, truely, humbly sorry for any offense I have
given. freda
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 08:35:37 PDT From: "Jose Arroyo"
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Now I Need Help Too
Message-ID:
>
>It would take too long to explain... >But, I am unsuccessfully combatting strong feelings of bitterness,
Cease the combat dear Valerie. Trying to oppose yourself to these
feelings is dragging all your energy... Experience these feelings and try to look to them from a different
angle. In time hate/fear will be transformed into love. And what a blessing
that will be! *smile*
>hatefulness & disgust towards a couple of select people, & - through >them - including the whole human race.
Why do you hate (the whole human race) ?
>I intellectually *know* it is sheer bigotry to just pass judgement on a
>whole mammalian specie, but it doesn't help my gut feelings.
Your 'intellect' is king over negative feelings/ideas, hate and fear, while 'your' Heart is the Master of Love. To 'whom' are you going to
give your vote?
>Right now, in my heart, I HATE everybody, & I know I'm 'off kilter'. And
Right now, while I'm responding to this, I LOVE you with 'my' Heart,
independently how you respond to me. :-)
>- it just ain't right.
Let it just be. Maybe there is a 'lesson' to learn from such an experience. Rethink why you are full with hate. Is it really other
people making you feel like this, or, this bad feeling you sense created by the way you have responded to an external event?
>I *think* I am under spiritual *psychic attack*, but - even this
>glimmering of knowledge seemingly won't release any healing. I seem
Try to empty your mind. Close your eyes. When your mind is empty think about beautiful loving things or even people or God (if you are a
believer) and take a few deep breaths. You will feel relaxed later. You may repeat that if you wish...
The troubles won't dissapear nor people that may have hurt you but you might possible respond differently; calmer, more loving towards it.
>spiralling into HELL ON EARTH. It's been 2 days. Every experience I
have >just strengthens this faux conviction, & I fear I am reeling into a
>black hole of contempt & unfounded hate. I even *hate* me.
If you hate you is because you choose to hate yourself. There is an alternative to this dear Valerie, and that is loving
oneself. It's your choice...
>I am feeling *hate*. I am admitting it because I still do not believe >*who I am* has the capacity to *hate*, so I am very worried.
Would you like to elaborate on this?
>Still, I cannot process this *hate* - I feel it is illegal, & only
>through admitting it might there be some help. >I need help...
... maybe I can be of any service to you ...
Maybe you just had 2 bad days, a temporarily fall-back and did sense negative feelings that you thought did belong to the past.
Dear Valerie, making great advances in spiritual awakening does not mean that once in a while one falls back and feels those unwanted nasty
feelings. Hopefully this happens less often...
A glass may be seen as half empty or half full. Two perceptions for one and the same thing :-)
Love and Joy,
Jose
Ps. Write me if you wish an off-list approach, I'm all 'ears'...
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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 08:36:37 PDT From: "Jose Arroyo"
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Now I Need Help Too
Message-ID:
>
>It would take too long to explain... >But, I am unsuccessfully combatting strong feelings of bitterness,
Cease the combat dear Valerie. Trying to oppose yourself to these
feelings is dragging all your energy... Experience these feelings and try to look to them from a different
angle. In time hate/fear will be transformed into love. And what a blessing
that will be! *smile*
>hatefulness & disgust towards a couple of select people, & - through >them - including the whole human race.
Why do you hate (the whole human race) ?
>I intellectually *know* it is sheer bigotry to just pass judgement on a
>whole mammalian specie, but it doesn't help my gut feelings.
Your 'intellect' is king over negative feelings/ideas, hate and fear, while 'your' Heart is the Master of Love. To 'whom' are you going to
give your vote?
>Right now, in my heart, I HATE everybody, & I know I'm 'off kilter'. And
Right now, while I'm responding to this, I LOVE you with 'my' Heart,
independently how you respond to me. :-)
>- it just ain't right.
Let it just be. Maybe there is a 'lesson' to learn from such an experience. Rethink why you are full with hate. Is it really other
people making you feel like this, or, this bad feeling you sense created by the way you have responded to an external event?
>I *think* I am under spiritual *psychic attack*, but - even this
>glimmering of knowledge seemingly won't release any healing. I seem
Try to empty your mind. Close your eyes. When your mind is empty think about beautiful loving things or even people or God (if you are a
believer) and take a few deep breaths. You will feel relaxed later. You may repeat that if you wish...
The troubles won't dissapear nor people that may have hurt you but you might possible respond differently; calmer, more loving towards it.
>spiralling into HELL ON EARTH. It's been 2 days. Every experience I
have >just strengthens this faux conviction, & I fear I am reeling into a
>black hole of contempt & unfounded hate. I even *hate* me.
If you hate you is because you choose to hate yourself. There is an alternative to this dear Valerie, and that is loving
oneself. It's your choice...
>I am feeling *hate*. I am admitting it because I still do not believe >*who I am* has the capacity to *hate*, so I am very worried.
Would you like to elaborate on this?
>Still, I cannot process this *hate* - I feel it is illegal, & only
>through admitting it might there be some help. >I need help...
... maybe I can be of any service to you ...
Maybe you just had 2 bad days, a temporarily fall-back and did sense negative feelings that you thought did belong to the past.
Dear Valerie, making great advances in spiritual awakening does not mean that once in a while one falls back and feels those unwanted nasty
feelings. Hopefully this happens less often...
A glass may be seen as half empty or half full. Two perceptions for one and the same thing :-)
Love and Joy,
Jose
Ps. Write me if you wish an off-list approach, I'm all 'ears'...
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:48:08 EDT From: DruoutATnospamaol.com
To: fredaATnospamnwlink.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Begging Your Pardon
Message-ID:
In a message dated 98-07-09 11:33:00 EDT, you write:
< seriously, this is not just a problem here on the list,,, it is all over my life.... I seem to be caustic... >>
Dear Freda,
I *love* your caustic spirit and find it utterly joyful! Please don't take a
negative view of it just because people are so literal minded they can't appreciate you. There are those of us who adore hearing from you even if some
(overly) sensitive individuals sometimes take offense.
Love, Hillary Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 17:40:47 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack) To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: fredaATnospamnwlink.com Subject: Re: Begging Your Pardon
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Hi Freda,
Do you think perhaps your becoming more centered, in tune with universe? Perhaps the aloofness or the tendency to love everyone the
same has rubbed those that know you, the wrong way? I certainly haven't seen anything in your recent post that
could be called, "caustic". Awakening to the fact that "unconditional love" is just
another phrase used to describe dependency can sometimes throw us off kilter. Those that would drain your energy become "put off" by your
unwillingness to no longer share your energy with them. Realizing that it is time to break old habits and attachments
in order to find healthy, non-dependent, non-energy draining relationships with other like-minded people can be traumatic.
Sometimes one is accused of being selfish when in reality they are only holding on to a modicum of ego in order to survive and be
creative. I think that true independence comes with absolute
self-dependence. It also comes in handy when people are trying to pull you apart, piece by piece and devour your energy.
Stay centered, be well.
Jack
Date: 3 Jan 78 13:06:57 +0000 From: "Paul West"
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: FW: you are the master
Message-Id:
> If your master claims to be your master, then you have found a veil > to your own oneness with the universe.
> Guy & Katrina
Guy and Katrina.
I read your introductory message talking about what sort of people you both are and I think I am almost completely the same on all counts. I
also agree that if you have a go-between liasing with God for you there is a loss of the directness and so there can be distortion.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:53:34 -0500
From: "Sessions, JoAnn F. (Artco)" To: "'Post'"
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Dear fellow members of Kundalini,
Let me introduce myself to you. I have recently been led to the
experience of learning or remembering more about Kundalini and Tantric Yoga. This is a new concept for me consciously in this life time.
However, the little bit of exposure I have had has lead me to believe that I have unconsciously been practicing small portions through out my
entire life. I sense that my experience and knowledge regained with fit perfectly in with the rest of my spiritual and physical self.
Another piece to the puzzle so to speak. I hope to be able share some of my experiences with you as they continue to develop, and also to be
able to learn and grow from your experiences and perceptions as well.
I will not address the physical aspects of my life at this time. They are not important to me. However anything you would like to know about
myself, or may way of life feel free to ask, as my life is an open book before you.
There are three quotes that I love that I would like to share, as they
embody a portion of who I am . 1. "When there are three of us together, then I am in the company
of two teachers." 2. "To believe a thing impossible is to make it so."
3. "When you get to the place where you would worry... stop and pray" or perhaps meditate.
Spiritual well being and knowledge have been my quest for many years,
now is the time I seek to unite the powers of the spirit with the powers of the body. I would like to find someone of spiritual maturity that
can help guide me on this quest, in addition to the guidance I receive from the Master within.
I would enjoy hearing from anyone, and welcome all to converse with me
that we both may learn. Walk in light and unconditional love.
Continue to be, ladychristos
P.S. My email address that I prefer to be reached at is: lady_hawkeATnospamlycosmail.com
P.S.S. I belong to no church nor religion, just in case you where questioning. I hold beliefs that can not be confined to one religion or
culture, and I do not feel the need to have to label them. Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:22:39 -0400
From: "THOMAS SMITH" To: ,
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Hi Freda....
you wrote:
>I dont feel like a snot or a cranky ol' woman, but I appear to be to >the rest of the human race.... I really don't want this.
> >Again, I am sincerly, truely, humbly sorry for any offense I have
>given. >freda
Snip....
Well...if you don't feel like a snot, you're not! Maybe whatever you said
triggered something in another, this is not your problem. So, in fact you are not a "snot" but in fact a dear friend! Okay? Okay!
Be yourself, voice your true feelings please.
Namaste'
Tom
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