1998/07/07 15:43
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #500
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 500
Today's Topics:
Re: Voices [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
This is an order!! [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: 4th July [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Re: 4th July [ freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com> ]
Re: No! [ jason spencer <starjunkyATnospamuswest.net ]
Re: 4th July [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Re: This is an order!! [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Re: 4th July [ freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com> ]
Re: Voices [ DruoutATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Voices [ DruoutATnospamaol.com ]
Re: 4th July [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Re: 4th July [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
This is not an order!! [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 08:08:28 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: DruoutATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Voices
Message-ID: <19980707150828.19407.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Hillary wrote:
I have a general question for those of us who are "guided" by "voices."
My question is, although these voices are commonly referred to as
Guides, or Higher hearing, or voices from a higher power, I wonder how
others actually catagorize them. Do you feel them a part of "Self" or
do you feel the presence from outside self.
Joe:
Well I have "voices" that aren't voices. In the everyday world I am very
kinesthetic with a strong visual secondary modality (to use NLP terms).
Auditory is almost off my map, unless Mozart is on the stereo. What I
get is a "knowing" that is equal to a voice saying something, giving an
order really. The "knowing" is instant, it is sharp, it doesn't grow,
and it is totally clear.
As an example: this weekend I was communicating with my teacher (the one
without a body who is the "voice") after our "conversation" I was to
retrieve something. I went to where I thought it was located (I was
going in the direction of what I thought I was supposed to be looking
for) but was told, as clear as can be, "No! Go left and up." I did and
found something similar to what I was to retrieve but not what I thought
I was after. After some reflection I realize it was, or at least should
be, better for the purpose I am to use it for.
In answer to your question about it being a part of "Self"... I don't
know for sure how you're using "Self". I assume you mean a part of the
individual self (that is "me"), since we are all a part of the Universal
Self. It is not "me". The "voice" is a separate individual, he died
almost 200 years ago but he still lives on in the astral. He has been
with me my entire life and because of that there are times I have
difficulty distinguishing his thoughts from my own. The times it is easy
is when it is given as an order, when it is less sharp it could be a
passing thought from my own mind and evaluated and used or discarded
purely on its logical merits. Of course given my personality there is
some difficulty in my taking orders but that's another story.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:28:12 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: joemillerATnospamhotmail.com, DruoutATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: This is an order!!
Message-ID: <4e0862c6.35a23e8dATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 7/7/1998 8:09:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
joemillerATnospamhotmail.com writes:
<< The "voice" is a separate individual, he died
almost 200 years ago but he still lives on in the astral. He has been
with me my entire life and because of that there are times I have
difficulty distinguishing his thoughts from my own. The times it is easy
is when it is given as an order, when it is less sharp it could be a
passing thought from my own mind and evaluated and used or discarded
purely on its logical merits. Of course given my personality there is
some difficulty in my taking orders but that's another story.
Namaste,
Joe >>
Harsha: Please silence your mind chatter. Be Still. This is an order. :--)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 08:34:40 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: 4th July
Message-ID: <19980707153440.12450.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Paul,
You've gotten several responses on this I am sure. But since they are
our national holidays, here's one more.
No, the 4th of July is not Thanksgiving.
The 4th of July celebrates the signing of the Declaration of
Independence and the subsequent war where we kicked Brit butt. (OK, so
the truth is the English got tired of fighting and lost their will, much
as the US did in Viet Nam, and just went home. We all have our national
mythologies and should be allowed to keep them, however wrong they may
be.)
Thanksgivings is in celebration of the Pilgrims harvest (after being
taught how to farm by the Indians they were to kill and destroy in the
coming years). It is a time to thank God for the gifts to our nation.
It may help to understand better if you remember how we celebrate the
holidays.
The 4th of July is celebrated by different activities such as watching
baseball games, tractor pulls, and the like and each and every citizen
is expected to show his/her patriotism by engaging in such patriotic
acts and swilling large amounts of beer, stuffing one's face with very
unhealthy animal parts (fried chicken and hot dogs are the main choices,
hot dogs being made of those parts of the animal not considered fit by
Americans to be served in any recognizable form, brains, intestines,
etc.) and watching an updated form on ancient Chinese entertainment:
fireworks. You may ask why this is patriotic. If you find out let me
know.
Thanksgiving is celebrated by gathering with family and eating to great
excess, the meal timed to happen when it will least interfere with
viewing the many (American) football games on the TV. If at least one
male family member does not unbutton the top button on his pants as he
says, "Ah, I'm stuffed," the dinner is a complete failure.
The fare is based on consuming a farm raised version of the bird one of
our greatest founders, Benjamin Franklin, proposed as our national bird,
an animal that was hunted almost to the point of extinction in the wild,
the turkey. In addition there will be dressing (a bread based dish),
gravy, cranberry sauce (most often unrecognizable as anything except a
red jelly-like substance shaped like the inside of a can, or tin as
you'd say) and finished with pumpkin pie. In the South the turkey might
be replace with a ham (pork and poultry were the primary meats until
after WWII in that part of our country) and dressing by its precursor,
cornbread. Nothing about this has any more apparent relationship to
thanking God than the way we celebrate the 4th of July has to
patriotism.
I hope that straightens it out for you.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 10:45:42 -0700
From: freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com>
To: Joseph Miller <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: 4th July
Message-ID: <35A25EC6.1AATnospamnwlink.com>
Dear LIst,
I know this is off K but my goodness, I just couldn't let this go...
such harsh judgements.... had to defend myself... although it may have
been sent in a humorous mood .... I didnt find it too humorous...
----
JOseph Miller.... he writes...
<snip> [insert crib note..hehehe]
about the the 4th of July and Thanksgiving holiday celebrations in the
USA: alot of stuff about nasty naughty horrible piglgims and founding
fathers...and modern people too, stuffin' and drinkin' themselves with
their pants undone...
so I snipped it.... : ) :0 naughty me.
.................
FREDA says:
aawww geesh Joe,
is that the best description you can come up with for these holidays?
really, how very sad for you.
Maybe next year you should come to my house for the 4th of July,
we wont forse you to eat or drink nothing you dont like,,, bring your
own..its a celebration of freedom,,, after all..
, we get all kinds of folks dropping by;
neighbors, friends, family, who always got somebody in tow with 'em....
you obviously need to start hangin' with a better crowd anyway,,,
come on over - see how *some* of the rest of us celebrate freedom.....
When it gets dark we roll out the lawn chairs and the blankets,
bring out the babies and the old folk and sing and talk and laugh and BE
with each other
while watching everyone elses fireworks,,,, oooohhhhh awwwww
too many of us to let off our own,,, seemes safer that way..leave
fireworks at the door..
we have yet to have a kid (or macho-man) loose a finger .. [bonus]
.....
Thanksgiving in our family has an abundance of food,,,, duh, thats what
the whole giving- thanks- meal was for,,,,,they survived some pretty
harsh stuff.... so
they stuffed themselves..
we get a day off as a holiday,.... we survive some pretty harsh
stuff....so,
we stuff ourselves...
AND give thanks,,, corse we do that at every meal.... but at
Thanksgiving, *giving* thanks
is bigger than life...
we just join forses - as do many other families across the nation...
when our immidiate family gathers,,,
we number over 300!!!!!! we come from all over the US and foriegn
counries
as well. It is an honor to be the *host* family YOU gotta be really
stinkin'
thankful to think it an honor to shuffle 300 people....
Ever sit though 300 people staning to tell what they are thankful for???
you....dang well better have some decient fixin's on the table if you
expect
the last 150 to have their say!! : )
......
I am sure you ment this little piece you wrote to be humorous,,,,,
please, in the future,,,,
speak for yourself.....not the entire nation....
as is the case,,,,in most any *nation* there are usually many
traditions,,,,if you dont like *yours*
there are many to chose from...
freda
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 12:23:43 -0600
From: jason spencer <starjunkyATnospamuswest.net>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: No!
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Paul West wrote:
>
>
>
> Down at the bottom, tonight, I have been very pissed off about myself.
> Every aspect of myself seems to be corrupt and not in any way serious.
> I have no idea what it means to be serious. For me, seriousness is
> a deceptive sincerity.
I think mabey Lobster may have taken care of this carmicly . I'd mabey
call it "therapists" sarcasm.
A new word is, however, entering my vocabulary. The word "No".
Good it's a good place to start.
> Normally this word only ever gets used in deceptions or lies or
> denials.
This is otherwise known as defiance.
> But I am starting to see that it has tremendous power to keep
> the enemies in the mind at bay. I have been having trouble getting to
> sleep tonight with my mind racing and not stopping its thoughts. And
> so now am I bloody well saying no, no more, not now, not ever. N. O.And
> you know what, I already have more awareness, more attention. I am
> now more prepared to say no to anyone and anything. It is bringing me
> great strength and security. Not `no' as if to deny something, or `no'
> as if to tell a lie, or `no' as if to decieve myself about something
> that is true. But simply, bluntly, seriously, powerfully, keeping all
> illusions at bay, standing up for myself... NO!!!
> I am a complete egotistical bastard. No more. Absolutely enough.
Now I'm thinkin were all so funny.
Ok Heres my peace on it. Acceptance of your not in control. If you
stop trying to deceive others, you may stop the "enemies in the mind".
The key here is unconditional love. As soon as you can love your enemies
then you shall have peace.
Take it or leave it. This is still my peace so mabey Try opening up to
-- The one your asking for - a gift in life- awareness and smooth
transition-, is always there listening and knows. It doesn't judge it
just loves unconditionally and waits for you to be there, waiting for you
to be in unity. Unity is in unconditional love. Unconditional love is
energy and energy is god. (In my book)
This is my key for humility for all planes. Take it or leave it.
: - )
Love and Light
One of selves
Aimee
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 11:57:38 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: fredaATnospamnwlink.com
Cc: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: 4th July
Message-ID: <19980707185738.14219.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>Thanksgiving in our family has an abundance of food,,,, duh, thats what
>the whole giving- thanks- meal was for,,,,,they survived some pretty
>harsh stuff.... so
>they stuffed themselves..
So exactly how many of the folks you have over "survived some pretty
harsh stuff.... so they stuff themselves.." None have high-blood
pressure or heart disease due to already being seriously overweight? For
that matter do you mean not one in 300 is already overweight? Who comes,
models? (If so by putting this on the list you may have 3,000 show up
next year, if your address gets out.)
Last time I checked gluttony was still listed as a sin. So a sin is an
appropriate way to give thanks to God... I am having trouble following
that one (also given a choice of sins why pick gluttony). Not as much as
seeing how the turkey is all that thankful or what he/she has to be
thankful about.
Besides some of us are descended from those early agriculture teachers
who, or whose children, were later driven from their homes and/or killed
by the people they helped. It isn't a very thankful occasion if you have
that prospective.
>I am sure you ment this little piece you wrote to be humorous,,,,,
>please, in the future,,,,
>speak for yourself.....not the entire nation....
Perhaps I wasn't clear: I wasn't speaking for an entire nation, I was
speaking of an entire nation. Certainly what I wrote isn't true of all,
but it is true of many, and from what I've seen, most, Americans. They
don't celebrate these holidays, not as they were intended. It may seem
minor but the fact that almost as many people call the fourth Thursday
in November "Turkey Day" as call it "Thanksgiving" does sort of provide
a hint at the degree of seriousness they lend to this day that was
intended as a day to thank the divine for his gifts to the nation.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 12:05:06 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: DruoutATnospamaol.com, Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: This is an order!!
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>joemillerATnospamhotmail.com writes:
>
><< The "voice" is a separate individual, he died
> almost 200 years ago but he still lives on in the astral. He has been
> with me my entire life and because of that there are times I have
> difficulty distinguishing his thoughts from my own. The times it is
easy
> is when it is given as an order, when it is less sharp it could be a
> passing thought from my own mind and evaluated and used or discarded
> purely on its logical merits. Of course given my personality there is
> some difficulty in my taking orders but that's another story.
>
>Namaste,
>
>Joe
>
>Harsha: Please silence your mind chatter. Be Still. This is an order.
:--)
>
Harsha,
I realize there are some on the list who find making fun of other's
beliefs a reasonable, pleasant, and acceptable way to converse.
I am not one of those people.
I have shown you the courtesy of not deriding your beliefs when you
shared them. It is sad you do not have similar values.
Joe
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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 13:20:55 -0700
From: freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com>
To: Joseph Miller <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: 4th July
Message-ID: <35A28327.22A8ATnospamnwlink.com>
> So exactly how many of the folks you have over "survived some pretty
> harsh stuff.... so they stuff themselves..
hell, we didn't take a toll, few this year lost loved ones,,,, two lost
children,,, few lost jobs,,, hey I lost darn near everything,,,, didnt
even have nothing to put out as my fair portion to the pig-fest, I came
as a loafer.... who care? everybody gots to survive something... point
is we survived!!!! we BE Free to celebrate it and by god we DID ! *burp*
> None have high-blood
> pressure or heart disease due to already being seriously overweight?
ahhh yeah we got fatties in the group....
few skinny as a rail... but they get to be just as happy as the rest of
us *perfect* souls on a holiday....
> Last time I checked gluttony was still listed as a sin. So a sin is an
> appropriate way to give thanks to God... I am having trouble following
> that one (also given a choice of sins why pick gluttony). Not as much as
> seeing how the turkey is all that thankful or what he/she has to be
> thankful about.
ohhh nasty stuff that sinnin' ,,,,,
ever hear the one... ah lets see,,,, nope, cant remember no *sin* worth
passin' judgement on.... not my job.... guess its YOURS
thanks for that tidbit joe.....
one day of FEASTing is not gluttony.... I belive it is customary in most
religions to feast (dont look now, some even,,, ick! dance) to give
thanks... ever read any of those texts.....?
> Besides some of us are descended from those early agriculture teachers
> who, or whose children, were later driven from their homes and/or killed
> by the people they helped. It isn't a very thankful occasion if you have
> that prospective.
yeah, so what, how many eons does it take to forgive.... guess what...
my people have been oppressed as well, but I wouldnt pass judgement on
future generations for it...
get over it....
> Perhaps I wasn't clear: I wasn't speaking for an entire nation, I was
> speaking of an entire nation.
OF AN INTIRE NATION....
okay.
well, then you not only talk s*%it you speak it from a perspective
boiling over with ignorance.... and a hell of a lot of prejudice,
> (If so by putting this on the list you may have 3,000 show up
> next year, if your address gets out.)
>
I take back my invitation for the 4th of july to mr joe miller....
I'm afraid this otherwise fun loving, thankful group might have to
substitute him for the roast pig...
ahhh no, he's so *FOUL* well have him stuffed and save him for
Thanksgiving.
"hey, martha,,,, one less plate at the table"
freda
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:21:09 EDT
From: DruoutATnospamaol.com
To: joemillerATnospamhotmail.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Voices
Message-ID: <9b106eb1.35a28336ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-07-07 11:08:54 EDT, joemillerATnospamhotmail.com writes:
<< What I get is a "knowing" that is equal to a voice saying something, giving
an
order really. The "knowing" is instant, it is sharp, it doesn't grow,
and it is totally clear. <snip>
In answer to your question about it being a part of "Self"... I don't
know for sure how you're using "Self". I assume you mean a part of the
individual self (that is "me"), since we are all a part of the Universal
Self. It is not "me". The "voice" is a separate individual, he died
almost 200 years ago but he still lives on in the astral. He has been
with me my entire life and because of that there are times I have
difficulty distinguishing his thoughts from my own. The times it is easy
is when it is given as an order, when it is less sharp it could be a
passing thought from my own mind and evaluated and used or discarded
purely on its logical merits. <snip>
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:28:56 EDT
From: DruoutATnospamaol.com
To: DruoutATnospamaol.com, joemillerATnospamhotmail.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Voices
Message-ID: <3e709cca.35a28509ATnospamaol.com>
<< In a message dated 98-07-07 11:08:54 EDT, joemillerATnospamhotmail.com writes:
<< What I get is a "knowing" that is equal to a voice saying something,
giving an
order really. The "knowing" is instant, it is sharp, it doesn't grow,
and it is totally clear. <snip>
In answer to your question about it being a part of "Self"... I don't
know for sure how you're using "Self". I assume you mean a part of the
individual self (that is "me"), since we are all a part of the Universal
Self. It is not "me". ...at times I have
difficulty distinguishing his thoughts from my own. The times it is easy
is when it is given as an order, when it is less sharp it could be a
passing thought from my own mind and evaluated and used or discarded
purely on its logical merits. <snip>
Namaste,
Dear Joe,
The description you have of your voice--the "knowing"-- is very similar to
mine.
The insistant nature of it is too. Would you care to tell me how you found
out about his being 200 yrs old etc.?
By the way, I don't believe Harsha was making fun of you (us). Just putting
"voices" into a different perspective.
Love, Hillary
I
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>>
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 13:54:13 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: fredaATnospamnwlink.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: 4th July
Message-ID: <19980707205414.22506.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Freda,
I think I should tell you you've helped me to realize the importance of
some things I had taken for granted before.
I have resolved at each and every meal for the rest of this month to
give special thanks I won't be sharing it with such an irrational,
hateful, spite filled individual as the one I've been getting hate mail
from.
Thank you for helping me realize a good thing I'd been taking for
granted.
Joe
Freda wrote:
>> So exactly how many of the folks you have over "survived some pretty
>> harsh stuff.... so they stuff themselves..
>hell, we didn't take a toll, few this year lost loved ones,,,, two lost
>children,,, few lost jobs,,, hey I lost darn near everything,,,, didnt
>even have nothing to put out as my fair portion to the pig-fest, I came
>as a loafer.... who care? everybody gots to survive something... point
>is we survived!!!! we BE Free to celebrate it and by god we DID !
*burp*
>
>> None have high-blood
>> pressure or heart disease due to already being seriously overweight?
>ahhh yeah we got fatties in the group....
>few skinny as a rail... but they get to be just as happy as the rest of
>us *perfect* souls on a holiday....
>
>> Last time I checked gluttony was still listed as a sin. So a sin is
an
>> appropriate way to give thanks to God... I am having trouble
following
>> that one (also given a choice of sins why pick gluttony). Not as much
as
>> seeing how the turkey is all that thankful or what he/she has to be
>> thankful about.
>ohhh nasty stuff that sinnin' ,,,,,
>ever hear the one... ah lets see,,,, nope, cant remember no *sin* worth
>passin' judgement on.... not my job.... guess its YOURS
>thanks for that tidbit joe.....
>one day of FEASTing is not gluttony.... I belive it is customary in
most
>religions to feast (dont look now, some even,,, ick! dance) to give
>thanks... ever read any of those texts.....?
>
>> Besides some of us are descended from those early agriculture
teachers
>> who, or whose children, were later driven from their homes and/or
killed
>> by the people they helped. It isn't a very thankful occasion if you
have
>> that prospective.
>yeah, so what, how many eons does it take to forgive.... guess what...
>my people have been oppressed as well, but I wouldnt pass judgement on
>future generations for it...
>get over it....
>
>> Perhaps I wasn't clear: I wasn't speaking for an entire nation, I was
>> speaking of an entire nation.
>OF AN INTIRE NATION....
>okay.
>well, then you not only talk s*%it you speak it from a perspective
>boiling over with ignorance.... and a hell of a lot of prejudice,
>
>
>
>> (If so by putting this on the list you may have 3,000 show up
>> next year, if your address gets out.)
>>
>I take back my invitation for the 4th of july to mr joe miller....
>I'm afraid this otherwise fun loving, thankful group might have to
>substitute him for the roast pig...
>ahhh no, he's so *FOUL* well have him stuffed and save him for
>Thanksgiving.
>"hey, martha,,,, one less plate at the table"
>freda
>
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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 14:11:15 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: fredaATnospamnwlink.com
Cc: Joseph Miller <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>, paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk,
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At 10:45 AM 07/07/98 -0700, freda wrote:
>Dear LIst,
>I know this is off K but my goodness, I just couldn't let this go...
>such harsh judgements.... had to defend myself... although it may have
>been sent in a humorous mood .... I didnt find it too humorous...
Freda, I understand that recent events have dampened your sense of humor,
but I found Joe's assessment of the holidays to be very balanced. He
speaks of light and dark both, in a rather neutral matter -of-fact way...
giving love to each, with the warm touch of humor and acceptance. It's a
Norman Rockwell painting, to me. Human.
Tao of the holidays.. the suicide rates skyrocket at Christmas. Folks
find their lives looking cheap, against the backdrop of tinsel and lights,
and ho ho ho. Murder rates go up too.. high expectations and big
disappointments. Not everybody looks forward to the holidays.
All things find their balance... I've had amazing holidays, and
amazingly rotten ones. I have learned to avoid expectations, and cherish
the light and dark both... and serve salmon for thanksgiving.
Canada Day was July !st.. a national holiday, that few folks outside of
Canada even know about. Canadians are typically reserved in their public
emotional expressions, and we cynically view the rah rah of the US July 4th
of being similar to the boasting of an insecure person.
When we hear of "Manifest Destiny", we turn a cynical eye to our
borders.. That was tried by the US on Canada, twice by the military
earlier in our two countries history.
The heroine of one US/Canadian battle is Laura Secord, who was a single
crippled woman who experienced American soldiers taking over her farm in
preparation to surprise invade Ontario. On the pretence of taking her cow
to pasture, she got away and rode the cow to the nearest town and warned
the Canadian troops, who promptly set down their beer and went off to kick
yankee butt. This is the typical Canadian Hero. Stick that in yer pipe and
smoke it, Paul Revere.
Laura Secord is remembered in the delicious ice cream and chocolates
that bear her name and image.
There is also the story of how Chief Sitting Bull and his tribe were
escorted to the Canadian border by several troops of American Cavalry, and
met there by a single Mountie, who led the Tribe easily to their new home.
Canadians are also known for their charm and diplomacy..;)
But then, we don't sing about fireworks in our national anthem, either..
"O Canada We stand on guard for thee" tends to be a quiet activity.
"Glorious and free" does not need to be noisy and full of flag waving
propaganda. It is an internal quality.
So, what are you defending, but the rose colored memories of things
past? If they were not so pretty, in contrast to the present, you would not
have such a hard time releasing them.
I watched a bit of TV last night.. a fragment of a funeral scene, in an
unknown sit-com. We eulogise the dead, telling only the good parts, and
finding anyone who disagrees with the sparkling post-assessment to be rude.
Qualities that were aggravating in life become endearing after... that is
the illusions of reality, and the tendencies of humans feeling loss.
(shrug) Canadians must be diplomatic, we are geographically the largest
country in the world, and arguably the richest in natural resources, but
there are only 24 million of us.. :)
Well, it's another perspective.
Blessings, Mystress.
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:28:53 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: joemillerATnospamhotmail.com, DruoutATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: This is not an order!!
Message-ID: <186f0905.35a2a126ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 7/7/1998 12:05:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
joemillerATnospamhotmail.com writes:
<< Of course given my personality there is
> some difficulty in my taking orders but that's another story.
>
>Namaste,
>
>Joe
>
>Harsha: Please silence your mind chatter. Be Still. This is an order.
:--)
>
Harsha,
I realize there are some on the list who find making fun of other's
beliefs a reasonable, pleasant, and acceptable way to converse.
I am not one of those people.
I have shown you the courtesy of not deriding your beliefs when you
shared them. It is sad you do not have similar values.
Joe
>>
Dear Joe: Please don't feel hurt. And do not feel sad. I was not making fun
of your beliefs. I appreciate your courtesy and retract my original order.
Carry on as before. May I ask a question? Can you touch your toes without
bending your knees? Forgive me in advance if you find the question not
relevant or insulting in some way. Thanks. Harsha
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