1998/07/03 15:57
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #496
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 496
Today's Topics:
Go West. West Gone. [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
Re: Check out This cool website [ Holly Nelson <hnelsonATnospampangea.ca> ]
Reiki [ flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net> ]
Re: Go West. West Gone. [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: "under psychic a............" [ valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska. ]
Re: Now I Need Help Too [ valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska. ]
Consciousness tree? [ "Paul Torres" <island_11ATnospamhotmail.co ]
Love by, me. [ "Paul Torres" <island_11ATnospamhotmail.co ]
Re: Lucid Dreams [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Love by, me. [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Name An Alaskan Radio Show? [ valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska. ]
reiki remote healing [ jason spencer <starjunkyATnospamuswest.net ]
Surrendering to God [ "Dhyani \"Debbie\"" <debhATnospammindsprin ]
Sharing (Re: Love by, me.) [ "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com ]
Re: Surrendering to God [ "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com ]
Re: More support! [ "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com ]
Re: Lucid Dreams [ Marybeth Gottshall <kmgATnospamtaconic.net ]
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:44:46 +0100
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Go West. West Gone.
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>Hi.
>
>How do I put this... er.. today I stopped existing.
Hi Paul,
Astounding. Hope you find some way to exist again. Your email seems
to be existing. Truly a paradox.
>For the better chunk of daylight hours today, since waking, the past
>did not once exist. I felt no guilt, no aversion, no desire, no
>history, no bitterness or hatred, no remorse or lack of worth. It was
>the first day, the very first day. Suddenly I had stepped out of my
>own stupid little world and although there was this body, I hadn't
>woken up from the night.
Did you. Amazing. I wonder if there is a word for your exhalted state.
>So, when I woke up, I was a completely new person. Empty. Clear. I was
>nothingness. Totally anomymous. I had so much awareness, so much
>attention. I did not feel guilty about anything whatsoever, and such
>was the contrast to how I had been feeling. Supremely confident, I did
>things which seem normally far to challenging, lazing around in the
>living room in front of everyone else with no feelings of pressure or
>conflict or embarassment. And I laughed, really, genuinely, and it
>were as though I had never laughed before. Forgiveness was the very
>essense of what it was to be there. Everything had been forgiven.
>Blind to the past.
I think you have trancended human description. You are beyond
classification.
>It was only about an hour or two ago that I started getting flashbacks
>again and the memory-self started to be reincarnated, reborn, and so
>has returned the familiar self, in its continuum, as if nothing had
>hapened. And that is because, nothing did happen. At least, though, I
>seem to have a greater general bouyancy now. I figure that the pillar
>of light was a kundalini thing, maybe a lightening bolt from God
>itself.
I think you probably are God. I can think of no other possible explanation.
Be Well
Lobster (in awe)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 20:38:12 -0500
From: Holly Nelson <hnelsonATnospampangea.ca>
To: Michael Zimmermann <Michael.ZimmermannATnospammunich.netsurf.de>
CC: Dave08812ATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Check out This cool website
Message-ID: <359C3604.1F3A85D6ATnospampangea.ca>
Michael Zimmermann wrote:
(heavily snipped)
> is our overwhelming greed for spiritual experiences - the ego wants to >become God (or at least a spiritual teacher).
Reminds me of the story of the traveller who came upon a man sitting in
the dust by the side of the road, moaning and calling out, "I don't
understand the exercises, I can't remember the mantras, the sacred study
is a mystery and vexation to me....!"
"Well then, why don't you give up the spiritual life, since it makes you
so unhappy?" asked the traveller.
The other moaned and said, "I can't! You see, I'm a prominent teacher
in these parts..."
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 21:39:26 -0500
From: flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Reiki
Message-ID: <359C445E.7FAFATnospamtexas.net>
You wrote:
>
> >From: ;
> >
> >I have been during distant healing for about 2 weeks. Prior to that
> >I was during spiritual healing for about 1 year.
I figure that the Reiki teachings are suppose to raise the Kundalini
and so I do that..gradually.. By the Third level you should know what's
happening,kundalini-wize.
About your sensations - You are picking up the energy of the other
person/client. As a Healer, that was my first way of doing Healing (I am
empathic). After you do a healing process you will need to do a
cleansing of your own Aura. THe energy does come through you, However
when you are empathic,you make it yours.
Before I do a Reiki Treatment, I check me.. how I feel what hurts
or doesn't hurt. and Know this is the state of my being before I work on
the other person. Then when I find myself sensitive to something that
doesn't fit with how I was before I know it belongs to the other person
and I get rid of it.
When you are working on the person, Wear a copper bracelet on your
left wrist. (receiving). If you still feel the energy creeping up your
arm.. Shake your hand until it feels like yours again.
Always wash your hands after each person as part of finishing up
the treatment. If you have had several people you have been working with
throughout the day.. at the end of the day, Take a bath in Sea Salt, one
of those special neat melt baths.. The salt changes the ions..
Love,
flute
http://www.create.org/healingarts/reiki.htm
Date: 3 Jul 98 02:44:43 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Go West. West Gone.
Message-Id: <359C459B.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Dear Lobster,
> Astounding. Hope you find some way to exist again. Your email seems
> to be existing. Truly a paradox.
There was still `self', but the awareness of self was so complete that
you could describe `identity' as being non-existing.
> Did you. Amazing. I wonder if there is a word for your exhalted state.
> I think you have trancended human description. You are beyond
> classification.
> I think you probably are God. I can think of no other possible explanation.
Obviously to a greater degree `I' am back now. Pity, I know.
/Being/ there is personal and a strength ungiven by others. I am
observing that generally there are two steps forwards and one step
back.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 19:26:02 -0800
From: valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: b bah <happyhunaATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: "under psychic a............"
Message-ID: <359C4F4A.16AEATnospamptialaska.net>
b bah wrote:
>
> Hi Valerie,
> Hopeing, of course that you are mistaken, as I've been there. What
> did you do precedeing the onset of the feeling that something was very
> wrong?. Did you do anything to trigger an attack?
yes, I had a very powerful *being* exorcised from my right shoulder
area, which is trying to be healed, but kept breaking the acupuncture
needles...
<snip wonderful story>
> Are there any Native American Shamans in your area? Two Kahunas,
> one in Las Vegas and one in Hilo, Ha. helped me immeasuerably. Don't
> suppose there are any Santeria priestesses in your area ???
> Love, barb
yes, there are 3 Native Alaskan tribes about. Seems there ought to be s
shaman amongst them somewhere!
Thanx for your imput!
vc
************************
Q: How does Bill Gates Change a light bulb?
A: He doesn't. He just declares darkness a standard.
Valerie Cooper * http://geocities.com/SoHo/7982/
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 19:40:44 -0800
From: valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: "Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D." <hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Now I Need Help Too
Message-ID: <359C52BD.55AATnospamptialaska.net>
Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D. wrote:
>
> This descent into darkness and hate is familiar to me and, as I posted
> recently, sometimes seems to be getting more intense, rather than less.
<snip>
But
> with each go-round I find my attachment to egoic life is a little less
> fierce. Accepting that I have the capacity to be hateful has been a
> big part of this. Holly
yes, well - I abdicated all responsibility today for 2 hours, & drove
south of town to Bugge Beach, & just lay there absorbing the intense sun
burning away negativity & hate, & recharging my atmosphere. And the
waves washing in & out washing away all that bitterness.
ow - I fried myself! I'm brown as overbaked biscuit!
Feel some ways better, just heat exhausted...
(upper 80's up here - El Nino beeen very good to us!)
But, then ...it's not quite *dark* yet, woo hoo hoo!
Then, of course, once back in town I almost literally physically run
into the main guy I'm tryin so hard not to hate...
I just ran!
I don't want to live with the hate, it's soooooooo draining & ugly!
vc
************************
Q: How does Bill Gates Change a light bulb?
A: He doesn't. He just declares darkness a standard.
Valerie Cooper * http://geocities.com/SoHo/7982/
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 22:17:33 PDT
From: "Paul Torres" <island_11ATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com
Subject: Consciousness tree?
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Just a point for someone to think about, what if life is just
furthering the ego, and true death is relinquish of ego, therefore, as
the leaf falls, and disintegrates back into the ground, it loses its
individuality, and forgoes ego to become part of the beautiful cycle
again as yet another vital part of the fragile ecosystem of life.
As the leaf is absorbed into the ground, and then into the tree, it
then is shown, in the minutest detail, the whole innerworkings of the
tree, until it becomes another leaf with a history of the whole of
consciousness of the tree. As a leaf, it inherintly knows, from the
path it has traveled, the truths about the consciousness tree.
Paul Torres
P.S.
About a minute ago I was trying to think of why everyone was talking
about trees and leaves, I thought I had mistakenly signed up on a nature
mailing list.
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Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 22:54:22 PDT
From: "Paul Torres" <island_11ATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com
Subject: Love by, me.
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When I experience love, I get to a point where I just want to cry at
the beauty and completeness that I feel at that moment. If I were to
feel this all of the time, I would be rendered incompetant, for I am
sure that the tears of joy would last even longer than the love. I
experienced another window towards love today, when my love (somewhat
unrequited) was talking with me. I felt as though she was hugging me
with her spirit. I cried on the inside, so that I would not become a
blubering idiot, but it was so beautiful the care, and compassion that I
felt from this, the love, and concern for me, I still am having trouble
dealing with it. I hope that everyone here has a comparable experience
in their life. I needed to share the joy and love that I feel right
now.
I love you all,
Paul Torres
P.S.
I cannot assure myself of where I am along the Kundalini trail, but as
my recent expensions continue, and my progression towards wholeness
continues, the emotional highs get much more extreme. I may need to
share these with someone, so I will write future e-mails of this sort
under the heading sharing (or something like that, so that you may all
know that these are deletable non philosophical messages.
It wouldn't be an e-mail without a P.S.
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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 02:09:33 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Lucid Dreams
Message-ID: <359C759D.487812EBATnospammail.snet.net>
Wonderer wrote:
> If you have another lucid dream, and you are lucid enough to think of
> it, try affecting the behavior of the other people in your dream.
> (Make them disappear, or wear different clothes, etc.)
Heck, if they're good looking make 'em take *off* their clothes.Or how
about wash your car? (nude of course)
> I cannot do so; I find that only the scenery or my own person are
> affected by my
> will in the lucid dream.
Dream characters are aspects of you. Like the people in our life. How
about loving them?This is a form of integration. It's not trivial like
attempting to make them your slaves. This
only reinforces the division. It's selfish. Would you rather all those
repressed dream people
remain banned to some dark corner of the Mind? Or would we rather bring
light to the darkness?
I know it's just a dream. But also is the world...
(practice makes Perfect)
Peace
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 02:20:19 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Love by, me.
Message-ID: <359C7822.2124F35DATnospammail.snet.net>
Paul Torres wrote:
> I cannot assure myself of where I am along the Kundalini trail, but as
> my recent expensions continue, and my progression towards wholeness
> continues, the emotional highs get much more extreme.
Watch it!What goes up must come down.
Center.
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 22:27:41 -0800
From: valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Name An Alaskan Radio Show?
Message-ID: <359C79DE.587CATnospamptialaska.net>
hello list mates,
Have a radio show here starting July 12th on FM - listener supported
community radio. Program Director wants a name.
Already chose the BBC compilation to FEED THE CHILDREN 'A Perfect Day',
written by Lou Reed & sung by dozens of artists, as a theme song. Would
like a relative & subtle (or POWERFUL) spiritual theme.
Any ideas?
I'll send a cassette tape with your name mentioned to the person with
the right name!
:-)
vc
ps (I had thought of 'Clearwater Medicine Show', but then I wanted to
use Joni Mitchell singing 'Water' as a theme song, then I melded with
'Sometimes Blue', but then I wanted to use 'Blue' by Joni Mitchell as a
theme song... I really want to use 'A Perfect Day' as a theme song.
The show's Sunday evenings, 7pm - 9pm, & shall consist of somewhat
mellow esoterica/new age/healing music (sometimes maybe jugband music &
folk music - just tunes to heal souls, depending on the atmosphere at
the time).
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 00:34:09 -0600
From: jason spencer <starjunkyATnospamuswest.net>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: reiki remote healing
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Hello ,
I am interested in talking to you guys who was talking about remote
healing, the reiki. I looked up reiki.org and I have a question for
you . So if you could mail me back .
Id appreciate it.
(I deleted the wrong stuff)
Love and sweet dreams
Aimee
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 03:18:20 -0400
From: "Dhyani \"Debbie\"" <debhATnospammindspring.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Surrendering to God
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Jim:
I really don't mind if you post our conversations to the entire list. I
think they are quite interesting.
I love the way you describe these experiences. For some reason, your words
make things very clear for me. For several years, since my experience in
'94, I have held one particular image in my mind. As my ego began dying,
it felt as if my current personality in this life was only an ice cube
floating in an enormous ocean. I do feel surrounded by a vastness of space
that cannot be understood intellectually.
The one overriding feeling I have had since I met this man Bob last week is
one of absolute certainty. I cannot remember ever feeling such a profound
sense of complete certainty about someone. Bob opened up all the chakras
in my body that were not open - root to throat. My brow and crown chakras
have been open for years. The energy now resides much higher in my body,
mostly in the upper two chakras. I feel so filled up with divine energy it
has been hard to sleep tonight. I keep thinking I must be crazy to feel so
certain about this man. He is married, I found out this morning when he
called back, but when I talk to him, it feels like I already know him.
I know I have always been psychic about people and situations. I typically
read people on a soul level first which has caused lots of
misunderstandings and lousy decisions. It is not good to marry people
based on future lifetime potential! I am not even sure if this sense of
absolute certainty concerns this man or not but he definately triggered it
and after a week of crying over the other man (who triggered my original
experience, the one who Bob looks like, David), I suddenly feel quite calm.
The voice inside is saying, "what are you upset about, your twin soul is
right here".
During the brief sleep I did have tonight, I had a dream that I was talking
to a friend and explaining to her that even though this man was married,
everything fits together perfectly. Then I took a drawing I had made and
extended the lines in the picture to show her that the lines somehow
reached out so far that both this man and I were part of the same picture.
Anyway, yes, I have lots of problems when I try to understand my
experiences with my mind. I have to learn to just be and not be concerned
with making sense of anything. It is amazing how small the mind is in
comparison with the soul/spirit.
Have you ever read any Rudolph Steiner?
Dhyani
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 10:31:59 PDT
From: "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com>
To: island_11ATnospamhotmail.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Sharing (Re: Love by, me.)
Message-ID: <19980703173200.23008.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Dear Paul:
I hope you continue to share your experiences, emotional and physical,
highs and lows, and everything else. I for one would be delighted to
read them.
It's all k-related, so IMO it's appropriate for the list.
Love, -Jim
PS: Just don't wander off into over-intellectualized theories about what
it all means, like you-know-who. ;)
original message:
>Paul Torres
>
>P.S.
>I cannot assure myself of where I am along the Kundalini trail, but as
my recent expensions continue, and my progression towards wholeness
continues, the emotional highs get much more extreme. I may need to
share these with someone, so I will write future e-mails of this sort
under the heading sharing (or something like that, so that you may all
know that these are deletable non philosophical messages. It wouldn't be
an e-mail without a P.S.
>
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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 12:07:58 PDT
From: "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com>
To: debhATnospammindspring.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Surrendering to God
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Dear Dhyani:
Thanks for sharing your experiences regarding Bob and regarding "losing"
your astral body (I understand as well as I can, now, without having had
that experience myself).
I am so glad my words make sense to you! I never really know if I'm
*connecting* with the other person or not. Thanks for the feedback, I
need to hear it. Glad we're on the same wavelength.
Just LOVED your metaphor about being an ice cube floating in the ocean!
I'm sure you have already grasped the spiritual meaning behind this (or,
at least one interpretation): The ice cube is your individual soul, the
vast ocean is the vastness of God; as you float, totally surrounded and
supported by God, you slowly dissolve and melt into God.
The ice cube is made of the same substance as the ocean, just in a
denser form.
As your edges and boundaries melt away, you merge more and more into
God. Your melting is inevitable. When you have finished melting, will
the ice cube still refer to itself as an individual ice cube, or will it
consider itself one with the ocean?
=+=+=+=+
Regarding your overwhelming feeling of "certainty" about Bob: is this a
general/nonspecific feeling of certainty, or certainty about the
specific belief that the two of you will become romantic partners? Are
you "certain" that you will get what you want, or merely certain that
this relationship "feels" right without having specific expectations for
it?
Just want to caution you that you will "certainly" get what you *need*
from this encounter, but you may not get what you *want.* Remember that
Buddha said "Desire is the root of all suffering." In this context,
"desire" means to have an expectation -- does not merely refer to
romantic/sexual desire, but all mental expectations.
You wrote that Bob "opened up all your chakras" when (or just before)
you first met. Not to get picky, but I'd be slow to give the credit to
anyone or anything outside yourself. More appropriate to say your
chakras opened, not that Bob did it to you. Still a very positive sign
that something is to be gained from this relationship, but don't give
your power away to someone else. Dear Dhyani, YOU are the source of your
own spiritual growth.
I could be totally wrong on this point, but I am just recovering from an
18-year relationship with a guru who took the credit for all my inner
experiences. The experiences were all very real, but giving credit to
another was an illusion.
Sounds like you have had several other relationships (marriages?) fail
even though psychic bond was strong. I also felt strong psychic/karmic
connection with my first and 2nd wives; I'm in the middle of my 2nd
divorce. They were both "crazy" in similar ways, adult children of
alcoholics. For my next relationship, I hope to use a combination of
approaches: "interview" for the position as objectively as I'd assess a
job candidate, plus use intuition. (Wish me luck!!)
Agreed that future potential is not a good measure of compatibility; you
have to live with them in the *present*!
* If you have any psychic flashes about me, I'd love to hear them!
* Tell me more about your Experience in 1994.
* No, I haven't ready any Rudolph Steiner. Tell me more?
Love, -Jim
>From: "Dhyani \"Debbie\"" <debhATnospammindspring.com>
>Subject: Surrendering to God
>snip<
>For several years, since my experience in '94, I have held one
particular image in my mind. As my ego began dying, it felt as if my
current personality in this life was only an ice cube floating in an
enormous ocean. I do feel surrounded by a vastness of space that cannot
be understood intellectually.
>snip<
>The one overriding feeling I have had since I met this man Bob last
week is one of absolute certainty. I cannot remember ever feeling such
a profound sense of complete certainty about someone. Bob opened up all
the chakras in my body that were not open - root to throat
>snip<
>I know I have always been psychic about people and situations. I
typically read people on a soul level first which has caused lots of
>misunderstandings and lousy decisions. It is not good to marry people
based on future lifetime potential! I am not even sure if this sense of
absolute certainty concerns this man or not but he definately triggered
it
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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 12:13:43 PDT
From: "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: More support!
Message-ID: <19980703191344.1200.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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*** This started as a private Email to Dhyani. She gave me permission to
post it to the entire list. -Jim ***
Dear Dhyani:
Your very kind "Thank You" note prompted some additional thoughts.
>From debhATnospammindspring.com Wed Jul 1 20:01:40 1998
>
>I agree with Jim that my mind is probably being cleansed right now. I
will work on not taking my feelings as seriously.
*** Take your feelings (your intuition, 6th sense, whatever) very
seriously. Learn to differentiate what your heart or gut says (or
wherever you locate this in your physical body) vs. mind chatter. For
me, mind chatter always has a restlessness, an edginess to it. It
"sounds" like a different "voice" inside. The "feelings" you can safely
ignore are emotions -- particularly negative emotions -- that are driven
by thoughts. I know you were using the word "feelings" to mean what I
just called "emotions," but I want to try to differentiate between deep
inner knowing (feelings) and restless fears (thoughts and emotions).
>I just get so impatient because my faith starts to falter.
*** Need to have more faith in yourself, faith in the process, faith in
God within you, faith in that inner voice, less faith in your old habits
of fear + doubt. Keeping your own quiet company helps to hear that
steady inner voice of wisdom. Keep the company of other seekers, where
you live and on this list, that will help strengthen you too.
>It is interesting that I seem to get the most feelings of impatience
right after I experience a profound psychic experience. Right
afterwards, my mind begins chattering, wanting to know what it means so
it can feel safe in a logical, rational sort of way. I know one of my
main life lessons is to strengthen my faith.
>
*** I think you hit the nail right on the head. Good job. Let me expand
on something you just said, and forgive me if I beat this topic to
death.
As you said, right after a profound psychic experience, your mind begins
chattering, wanting a rational explanation that it can be comfortable
with. Your mind wants to hang onto its IDEAS about the world, is not
ready for you to bypass it and experience the world directly. Except
that profound inner experience is beyond words, literally indescribable.
If it cannot be bounded with words, it cannot "fit" into the rational,
logical mind.
Without words, the experience cannot "mean" anything to the mind, and
remains unknown. Your mind fears the unknown. So you experience
restlessness and fear.
Some people describe this as the death-cry of the ego: fearing its own
destruction, the ego desperately wants to hang onto the belief that we
are limited, separate, finite, bound by the senses, by time, by physical
space. It's a really comforting illusion we create for ourselves, but
eventually it generates enough pain that we are forced to pursue a
spiritual path and rid ourselves of this ego, this rational limited
word-hungry small "I". Ego generates fear to make you believe you still
NEED the ego, to protect yourself.
Story I was told: grown woman sees little girl on the beach, crying.
"What's wrong, litle girl?"
"I can't fit the ocean into my little drinking cup," she wails.
"Oh, silly little girl. Stop crying. Don't try to fit the ocean in
your cup. Throw your cup into the ocean."
Don't try to fit the experience of God into the space between you ears.
Don't try to fit God into the mind. Let the mind merge into God.
Hope this helps.
This experience has been described elsewhere as the nervous jitters of
the bride on wedding day: the bride (small self) preparing to meet and
merge with her groom (Universal Self, God).
Rejoice! Love, -Jim
PS: Since this started as a private Email, I will only repond in
private. However, I would like to post to K-list, partly because there's
no content there, partly because this might help someone else who may
read it. If you think it's OK, or agree to post with some changes, write
back. I will honor your wishes. You have my unconditional support and
love always. Love, -Jim
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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 98 18:00:37 -0500
From: Marybeth Gottshall <kmgATnospamtaconic.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Lucid Dreams
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Hi,
I noticed that the lucid dreams that were posted earlier on this list
(unfortunately I've deleted the files already) both involved flying.
I have had lucid dreams off and on for about a year, and they always
involve flying or some kind of levitation or out of body type experience.
They typically begin with a "regular" dream. At some point I become aware
that I am dreaming, and often I try to figure out what I can do that
would be interesting. Then an electrical, usually blissful energy, which
I associate with Kundalini, goes through my body, and then I am flying,
either like Superman, or feet first on my back, or just hanging out in
the air. Sometimes, I go right out my window into the field next door,
and sometimes I fly over beautiful dream landscapes, which I occasionally
know that I am inventing.
I may meet with people who I have never seen before, but who frequently
seem "more real" than people in the waking world.
But, almost always in these lucid dreams, I fly.
Anyone else notice this?
Marybeth
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