1998/07/02 03:11
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #493
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 493
Today's Topics:
Re: Your experience [ "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com ]
Re: Fwd: Alien Ignorance [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Time travel [ PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com ]
Fwd: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable M [ PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com ]
Re: failure notice [ TarmuzATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Time travel [ TarmuzATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Fwd: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverab [ valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska. ]
Re: failure notice [ freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com> ]
Re: Time travel [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Namaste, see you later [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Now I Need Help Too [ valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska. ]
Check out This cool website [ Dave08812ATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Check out This cool website [ valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska. ]
Re: Now I Need Help Too [ "Sen Ashanka" <sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.i ]
Re: Are Chakras Real [ jason spencer <starjunkyATnospamuswest.net ]
Invitation to join kundalini_pATnospamoneli [ serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com ]
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 18:40:03 PDT
From: "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com>
To: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Your experience
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Dear Paul:
Really loved your message (below). I've only been on the list one week,
but I must say this was the most readable thing you have written in a
long time. You gave a first-person account of a real experience in
concrete, physical terms, without a lot of theorizing. I found it very
moving and very emotional, a palpable sense of wonder, a real "aha!"
insight into oneself. Thank you.
I could really relate to your story. I also used to waste a lot of
energy trying to please others, and worrying more about their happiness
than they did. Kind of a co-dependency thing, thinking I was responsible
for keeping other people happy. As a result, I was often insincere,
ingratiating, fawning, flattering, phony, but always (of course!) with
the *very best* of intentions. As the saying goes, "The road to hell is
paved with good intentions."
It was nothing short of an ego trip to believe I could *control* the
happiness of others. Further, it was the sign of a weak and starving ego
to constantly look for approval and affection from others. I was (still
am) emotionally very sensitive, very "tuned in" to the moods of others,
but was lacking in fundamental self-esteem. Through my spiritual
practices I finally did learn self-esteem, and stopped this bad habit;
what was "spiritual" growth to me, others might simply call the late
development of emotional maturity. Oh well.
One side-effect of all this trying-to-please-others crap was a very
weak, restless, constantly spinning mind. My thoughts were constantly
awhirl trying to decode others' needs and find something clever and
flattering to say. (I sometimes think I sense that mental restlessness
in you.) Meditation helped me slow down my mind, reduce these kinds of
thoughts. Spiritual study emphasized the need to tell the truth, not
what I thought others wanted to hear. Truth-telling is a great spiritual
practice, very centering, empowering and calming for me.
Hope you re-read your own words and see how you can put your new
awareness into practice. Perhaps the content -- and intent -- of some of
your past postings was this same desire for attention/affection? If so,
I recognize myself in your words.
I love you dearly; now apply what you glimpsed inside. New habits take
practice.
Love, -Jim
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>From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
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>Subject: Light
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>Hi.
>
>I hope I don't sound too overjoyous, but isn't it the most seriously
>spiritual and enlightening experience when you suddenly and for the
>first and last time catch sight of something that you have always
>assumed only to immediately see without interpretation or comment that
>it is constructed of pointlessness and deception and is a /complete/
>mistake with /absolutely/ no reason for being there?
>
><cue usual personal example-story>
>
>All of my life there has been a desire to please other people, to keep
>them happy. Always I have strived to keep them happy. I have always
>believed that it was necessary and safe to avoid unpleasantness in
>others at all costs, to kind of worship them. So intense has always
>been my desire to please others, I would put all of my own feelings
>aside even if they were intense (and they are), and would not want to
>appear weak.
>
>Yesterday in one of these sudden illuminations, I saw for the very
>first time in my life (and I really do mean that), in an instant, the
>whole "got to keep others happy" thing. I saw there to be /absolutely/
>no link between that attitude (and everything it entails) and the
>actual, real person I was aiming it at. None at all. Totally distinct.
>Detatched.
>
>There was some example person just standing there, and in front of
>`him' in a distinct, enclosed package, was this entire worshipping
>thing. And the instant of seeing it was to see its true nature. And
>all I saw there was a really silly mistake, a total pointlessness.
>Just a structure, a blob, and it was unnecessary. There was no reason
>for it. My entire life I had spent assuming it was an inherant part of
>reality, that it was something I had to strive for, and the right way
>to be. But here it was, utterly pointless, utterly unjustified and
>uncalled for. In fact, it was the most serious feeling that people did
>not in any way /deserve/ it! I think that works both ways. They do not
>deserve it in the sense that they are not as good as I make them out
>to be, and in the sense that it is in a way an offensive thing for my
>own benefit.
>
>That state of light, of sudden illumination, really is like someone
>switching a light on. Suddenly it's "Oh my god, how could I...". This
>kind of experience is, for me, the most genuine occurence of
>spirituality and reality. It may not be as complete as what I suspect
>will be an observation of the uncalled-for actions of having not loved
>myself for all my life, but it is the only thing I know to be a true
>moment of revelation, of /revealing/. And it is so shocking that it is
>the first time you have EVER seen such a thing. The entire foundation
>of a major chunk of your reality suddenly shown to be totally
>unfounded.
>
>I wonder what it might be like to be in that state of immediate
>beginning and end, first time and last time, eternally, where all you
>see is that everything is useless except love.
>
>
>--
>Paul.
>
>IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
>WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
>E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
>
>
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Date: 2 Jul 98 03:03:13 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: Alien Ignorance
Message-Id: <359AF871.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Dear Mystress,
> > The kundalini-pATnospamonelist.com list was manifested to discuss alien
> > abductions, amongst other k-phenomena. Please feel free to join it and
> > discuss this topic there, where there is no traffic and so no bandwidth
> > issues..
No traffic? So nobody is posting anything at all at the moment?
Can you tell me how to subscribe to the kundalini-p list? I take it I
send a message somewhere, subscribe in the subject line?
> > is a place where you are welcome to describe all of your symptoms and put
> > them up for discussion.
The abduction thing is /kind of/ an old thing for me that sort of
finished a year or two ago, but I would still like to talk about it.
Cheers.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:17:12 EDT
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Subject: Time travel
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Okay, I think it's only fair to have a list on time travel, also.
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Let's put her on the time travel list.
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Well, Freda...the list has been abducted...any more suggestions?
Peace and love ..Tarmuz
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I have such trouble with these things...it so hard for me to be cocky when I
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^^ ^^
Peace and Love
Tarmuz
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hun,
ya might want to try that as an E-MAIL address instead of a web page,,,
kundalini-pATnospamonelist.com
there really is such a group
TarmuzATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-07-01 19:30:19 EDT, you write:
>
> << he kundalini-pATnospamonelist.com list was manifested to discuss alien
> > abductions, amongst other k-phenomena. Please feel free to join it and
> > discuss this topic there, where there is no traffic and so no bandwidth
> > issues.. much of the same crowd tho.. about 70 members at this time. .
it
> > is a place where you are welcome to describe all of your symptoms and
put
> > them up for discussion.
>
> Forgive my ignorance but are you being serious? Is there such a list?
>
> --
> Paul. >>
> We are unable to locate the site you requested. The server does not have
> a DNS entry, it may be down or not exist. Check the server name (URL)
> and try again.
>
> In a word...it is a crock...but then us terse people let others do our
talking
> --
> Peace and Love
> Tarmuz
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I have such trouble with these things...it so hard for me to be cocky when I
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mail...if I start seeing owls and such then I guess I'll give a hoot too...
O|O
^^ ^^
Peace and Love
Tarmuz
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hun,
ya might want to try that as an E-MAIL address instead of a web page,,,
kundalini-pATnospamonelist.com
there really is such a group
TarmuzATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-07-01 19:30:19 EDT, you write:
>
> << he kundalini-pATnospamonelist.com list was manifested to discuss alien
> > abductions, amongst other k-phenomena. Please feel free to join it and
> > discuss this topic there, where there is no traffic and so no bandwidth
> > issues.. much of the same crowd tho.. about 70 members at this time. . it
> > is a place where you are welcome to describe all of your symptoms and put
> > them up for discussion.
>
> Forgive my ignorance but are you being serious? Is there such a list?
>
> --
> Paul. >>
> We are unable to locate the site you requested. The server does not have
> a DNS entry, it may be down or not exist. Check the server name (URL)
> and try again.
>
> In a word...it is a crock...but then us terse people let others do our
talking
> --
> Peace and Love
> Tarmuz
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In a message dated 98-07-01 23:17:46 EDT, you write:
<< Subj: Time travel
Date: 98-07-01 23:17:46 EDT
From: PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Okay, I think it's only fair to have a list on time travel, also.
>>
Been there, done that
Peace and Love
Tarmuz
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 19:52:40 -0800
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> Let's put her on the time travel list.
>
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> To: PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com
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> User marcella.baglion is not defined
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heeheehee - yes!
we can send her into the future, or back into the past if we can but
define her parameters!
;-)
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Q: How does Bill Gates Change a light bulb?
A: He doesn't. He just declares darkness a standard.
Valerie Cooper * http://geocities.com/SoHo/7982/
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 21:07:44 -0700
From: freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: failure notice
Message-ID: <359B0790.20C3ATnospamnwlink.com>
Dearest Fellow List Members,
I will apoligize right out for this Tarmuz listing this crud to the
list..
gads, I just wanted the dear soul to know that looking for a web page
with an email address
was not going to work...
I did not post my suggestion to the list, sent it only to Tarmuz
who posted it to the list...
I then asked Tarmuz to not respond to this ~ list privatly sent email...
guess it set off a bit of an obsession in this individual...
this "failure notice" is the result of that .....
is there something I have been doing lately that is pushing peoples
buttons ???
seems I annoyed dear paul earlier this week with a rainbow...
I am harmless folks....
no need to stone me...
really..
freda....
lookin' for a neighbor with a bomb shelter
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 00:13:46 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: TarmuzATnospamaol.com, PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Time travel
Message-ID: <5d52f6af.359b08fcATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 7/1/1998 8:49:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, TarmuzATnospamaol.com
writes:
<< << Subj: Time travel
Date: 98-07-01 23:17:46 EDT
From: PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Okay, I think it's only fair to have a list on time travel, also. >>
Harsha: Would the discussions take place in the Past, Future or the Present?
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 21:47:44 -0700
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Namaste, see you later
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980701214622.00da28d8ATnospampop.sonic.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Unsubscribing for vacation.
Namaste and love to all,
Mary
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 23:16:03 -0800
From: valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Now I Need Help Too
Message-ID: <359B33AD.C7AATnospamptialaska.net>
It would take too long to explain...
But, I am unsuccessfully combatting strong feelings of bitterness,
hatefulness & disgust towards a couple of select people, & - through
them - including the whole human race.
I intellectually *know* it is sheer bigotry to just pass judgement on a
whole mammalian specie, but it doesn't help my gut feelings.
Right now, in my heart, I HATE everybody, & I know I'm 'off kilter'. And
- it just ain't right.
I *think* I am under spiritual *psychic attack*, but - even this
glimmering of knowledge seemingly won't release any healing. I seem
spiralling into HELL ON EARTH. It's been 2 days. Every experience I have
just strengthens this faux conviction, & I fear I am reeling into a
black hole of contempt & unfounded hate. I even *hate* me.
I am feeling *hate*. I am admitting it because I still do not believe
*who I am* has the capacity to *hate*, so I am very worried.
Still, I cannot process this *hate* - I feel it is illegal, & only
through admitting it might there be some help.
I need help...
************************
Q: How does Bill Gates Change a light bulb?
A: He doesn't. He just declares darkness a standard.
Valerie Cooper * http://geocities.com/SoHo/7982/
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 03:20:00 EDT
From: Dave08812ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Check out This cool website
Message-ID: <15315dca.359b34a1ATnospamaol.com>
Go to www.rickross.com. And look up 3HO. I do this so that people will look
for a real yoga teacher, and not get hurt by this outfit.
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 23:25:43 -0800
From: valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: Dave08812ATnospamaol.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Check out This cool website
Message-ID: <359B35F1.1EFATnospamptialaska.net>
Dave08812ATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
> Go to www.rickross.com. And look up 3HO. I do this so that people will look
> for a real yoga teacher, and not get hurt by this outfit.
thanx.
what's yoga gonna do for a 'psycho demon from Hell' once it's cast it's
lot???
maybe, if we could just mutually figure out WHAT causes HATE, it could
be combatted...
vps (okay, I'll go there. but I'll probably hate it...)
************************
Q: How does Bill Gates Change a light bulb?
A: He doesn't. He just declares darkness a standard.
Valerie Cooper * http://geocities.com/SoHo/7982/
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:39:17 +0200
From: "Sen Ashanka" <sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it>
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Now I Need Help Too
Message-Id: <C1256635.0028F222.00ATnospamais.it>
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Dear Valerie Cooper,
Yes, these are not very unnatural or unlikely events. The world is
a place where sensitive persons often do get hurt, and after having
got hurt, and seen all the hypocracy and senselessness of everyone
around, hatred does come. It does start with some people and then
spreads across to the whole race.
Believe me, there is nothing "illegal" about hate. Humans are born
with intellect and sentiment. Sentiment encompasses the "good" as
well as the "bad" feelings. We all feel love, happiness and also
bitterness and hatred. These are all characteristics of our over-
active mind.
A word to help : Do not combat it.
Seek something in your life that you like and genuinely love.
Something whose thoughts take you up completely in love and occupy
the mind fully. Some person, real or ficticious, would do. Day and
night think of this ideal, chant this ideal and make it a part of
the daily routine like breathing. Keep at it day and night. When
you forget and think of something else, do not panic or scold
yourself. Just re-commence with the chanting. Over time the mind
will become still and at ease and the feelings of hatred will be
replaced by one of love. That will be a much more comfortable
situation.
Cheers and love to all
Ashanka
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 01:17:25 -0600
From: jason spencer <starjunkyATnospamuswest.net>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Are Chakras Real
Message-ID: <359B3402.599DF50ATnospamuswest.net>
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Hi to all those mabey having trouble believing in chakras. I just on
saturday went to I guess youd call it a "New Age" store and rented a video
on chakras. Its called "The energetics of healing" its a lecture by a
woman named Caroline Myss. She is a medical intuitive. She for some
reason finalized it for me.
I took notes if any one is interested in them let me know . This womans
philosophy caught me exactly the way I had to be captured in order to make
it a living reality for me.
Love and Peace
Aimee
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:14:32 -0500 (CDT)
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