1998/06/26 00:56
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #477
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 477
Today's Topics:
re: How [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Re: How [ "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com> ]
Re: How? [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: Not "How?" but "WHY?" [ Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net> ]
Bye [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: Not "How?" but "WHY?" [ DruoutATnospamaol.com ]
HOW APPAULING! [ "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com> ]
Re: How [ DruoutATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Not "How?" but "WHY?"*forgivenes [ valerie cooper <vcooperATnospamptialaska.n ]
Re: Not "How?" but "WHY?"*forgivenes [ Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net> ]
Re: How? [ "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net ]
Re: How? [ Jude1ATnospamwebtv.net ]
Re: Bye [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Not "How?" but "WHY?"*forgivenes [ valerie cooper <vcooperATnospamptialaska.n ]
Re: Not "How?" but "WHY?"*forgivenes [ DruoutATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Not "How?" but "WHY?"*forgivenes [ valerie cooper <vcooperATnospamptialaska.n ]
Re: Dreams, visions and symbols [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: Bye [ valerie cooper <vcooperATnospamptialaska.n ]
Re: How? [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
Loss and Acceptance [ WEIVODAATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Loss and Acceptance [ valerie cooper <vcooperATnospamptialaska.n ]
Re: Loss and Acceptance [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Loss and Acceptance [ WEIVODAATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Loss and Acceptance [ PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Loss and Acceptance [ valerie cooper <vcooperATnospamptialaska.n ]
Re: Loss and Acceptance [ "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com> ]
Re: How? [ valerie cooper <vcooperATnospamptialaska.n ]
RE: Loss and Acceptance [ Hajeed <habATnospamtelekom.com.my> ]
Difference according to Ken Wilbur [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:32:48 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: re: How
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Paul,
I have to agree with all that has been written here. Your most outstanding
characteristic is not your spirituality or your intellect or even your
ability to rationalize your behavior. It is your self-absorption. It is
obvious to us all that you consider your subjective notions and emotions
fascinating. The rest of us are not nearly as fascinated as you might think
by the "I"/"me" quality of your quite lengthy posts.
Keep a diary if you must, but don't send it here. Why not give us all a
break and quit posting for awhile? Take a week off. Better yet, take two.
During that time you might try simply listening. Listen to others. And
above all, BEGIN to listen to your inner voice. I say "begin" because it is
obvious that you have never done this because your constant mind chatter
drowns it out.
Sharon
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:50:31 -0400
From: "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com>
To: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: How
Message-Id: <199806260051.UAA28493ATnospamsandia.aug.com>
WAIT WAIT WAIT!!!
You are all so quick to judge!!! You don't know Paul at all.
Paul and Lobster are each other's alter ego. Essentially
They are ONE. So are we all. Oh, well. :-)
Date: 26 Jun 98 01:58:57 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: How?
Message-Id: <3592FB6C.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Ed Arrons,
> Just reveal this, Paul. When you write do you smile and giggle a lot?
Lately, no.
I keep putting myself down. I get an attitude about aspects of the
world which say "that's not a good enough standard". It might even
have an attractive `spritual image' to it, of having to be good and
kind and so on. But in the same swing of the bat I suddenly feel
corrupt and terribly ashamed that I AM those things. I saw myself
doing this this evening - telling myself that I wasn't good enough.
There are tears now. Even saying this suggests to me that I have
problems. I just can't shake the idea that there is something wrong
with me. I know I am lashing out at the list in fear and torture
trying bring myself the affirmation of being ok. Even when that is
forthcoming it only gels over the real issue. .. There I go again.. I
don't know how to stop myself being successful.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:09:38 -0600
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net>
To: kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Not "How?" but "WHY?"
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Nancy wrote:
> > Paul, this list isn't about you. It's about kundalini. I would suggest
> > that if you want to keep going on and on about yourself that you start a
> > "Paul West" mailing list and those who do want to talk to you about you
> > can subscribe.
Paul wrote:
> Good idea.
>
> Seriously though, I really lost control this afternoon.
Nancy writes:
I AM serious. Paul, this list isn't about you or your lack of control.
Mystress, can you please sssssssssssick him again....or teach me how and I'll
do it myself.
Date: 26 Jun 98 02:06:47 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Bye
Message-Id: <359301D2.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hello.
I've decided to leave the list. I cannot control my urge to make
something of myself, and I cannot resist make mountains out of
molehills. I am not bitter. There's just too much to cope with. I am
not going to lurk and do not have plans for the future. Staying here
only seems to further my desire to be wanted. I need to be alone for a
while to confront myself. I wish you well.
Regards,
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:20:49 EDT
From: DruoutATnospamaol.com
To: nancyATnospamwtp.net, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Not "How?" but "WHY?"
Message-ID: <9e135282.3592f772ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-06-25 19:02:30 EDT, nancyATnospamwtp.net writes:
<< "Paul West" mailing list and those who do want to talk to you about you
can subscribe.
>>
I second the motion! Maybe we can all visit from time to time to keep Paul
from feeling lonely!
Love, Hillary
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:24:03 -0400
From: "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com>
To: <NancyATnospamwtp.net>, "kundalini-1" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: HOW APPAULING!
Message-Id: <199806260124.VAA19805ATnospamsandia.aug.com>
OH! now I see it all clearly. Paul is really us...all of us.
He has been expressing all those little niggling thoughts and
feelings that we manage to hide from ourselves. Paul is
the mirror of our subconscious.
Stay with us Paul, we need you. Stop Laughing, it aint funny. :-)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:25:36 EDT
From: DruoutATnospamaol.com
To: eeaATnospamaug.com, shawebbATnospamyhc.edu, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: How
Message-ID: <3c6c8f2f.3592f891ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-06-25 20:51:24 EDT, eeaATnospamaug.com writes:
<< They are ONE. So are we all. >>
yes, but sometimes we are tiresome.
Love, Hillary
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:52:55 -0800
From: valerie cooper <vcooperATnospamptialaska.net>
To: DruoutATnospamaol.com
CC: nancyATnospamwtp.net, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Not "How?" but "WHY?"*forgiveness*
Message-ID: <35945078.198ATnospamptialaska.net>
DruoutATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-06-25 19:02:30 EDT, nancyATnospamwtp.net writes:
>
> << "Paul West" mailing list and those who do want to talk to you about you
> can subscribe.
> >>
> I second the motion! Maybe we can all visit from time to time to keep Paul
> from feeling lonely!
I am blissfully unaware how or who keyed up the polarization thusly,
mostly because I have had to make lavish use of my 'delete' key somewhat
impersonally, for which I beg your collective pardons.
I just wanted to draw attention to - how when one is mostly upset &
possibly lonely, & - to what depth who can ever say - it is most
spiritual to be less than brutal. Even when brutality seems called for,
eventually we need to forgive each other because ostracization is THE
most painful thing, especially when someone is already upset.
If I missed something, will someone point it out to me?
This just seems very brutal to me to be about over-verbosity, & I don't
understand...
vc
************************
I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
Valerie Cooper * http://geocities.com/SoHo/7982/
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:23:33 -0600
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net>
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net, kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Not "How?" but "WHY?"*forgiveness*
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Hi Valerie,
Since you've been active with delete, you have missed the monopolization
of conversation by Paul on him, him, him. I pointed out to Paul that the
list had to do with kundalini not Paul and told him that if he did want
to talk about himself so much that he could start his own mailing list
and those who wanted to listen could subscribe.
My intent was not to ostracize but to make him aware of how his verbose
prose came across to others (at least me). As a friend of mine recently
told me, sometimes an "honest slap" is more appropriate than a "sneaky
nudge." Many have tried nudging Paul, but he doesn't seem to get it. He
continues on and on and on. He has been talked to kindly, firmly and now
bluntly about his behavior. Maybe "brutal," but I just couldn't take it
anymore. And obviously, many on the list felt the same way.
Yes, I am still
the self-realized bitch...
Nancy
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:25:19 -0400
From: "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>
To: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: How?
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the only thing i have to say is that i have absolutely nothing to say about this
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
>I keep putting myself down. I get an attitude about aspects of the
>world which say "that's not a good enough standard". It might even
>have an attractive `spritual image' to it, of having to be good and
>kind and so on. But in the same swing of the bat I suddenly feel
>corrupt and terribly ashamed that I AM those things. I saw myself
>doing this this evening - telling myself that I wasn't good enough.
>There are tears now. Even saying this suggests to me that I have
>problems. I just can't shake the idea that there is something wrong
>with me. I know I am lashing out at the list in fear and torture
>trying bring myself the affirmation of being ok. Even when that is
>forthcoming it only gels over the real issue. .. There I go again.. I
>don't know how to stop myself ....................
>Paul.
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:56:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jude1ATnospamwebtv.net
To: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk (Paul West), Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: How?
Message-ID: <27413-35930DEC-43ATnospammailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net>
Paul,
LIGHTEN UP!
People do care about you, but try to focus on something other than
yourself. Try It! You just might find you like having something other
than yourself on your mind.
Judy
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:17:40 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Bye
Message-ID: <359312D4.7725ADF8ATnospammail.snet.net>
Paul West wrote:
> I've decided to leave the list.
This boy has cried "wolf" before.But we shall see...
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:06:14 -0800
From: valerie cooper <vcooperATnospamptialaska.net>
To: NancyATnospamwtp.net
CC: madammumATnospamptialaska.net, kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Not "How?" but "WHY?"*forgiveness*
Message-ID: <359461A7.6DFAATnospamptialaska.net>
Nancy wrote:
<snip>
> Yes, I am still
>
> the self-realized bitch...
> Nancy
hehehe...
well, I'm sure since it generates so much discussion on the topic, that
Mr. West is learning there are other, *better* ways to draw attentions.
I always get a great thrill from performing another character upon the
stage. Not only do I get the *right* kind of attention, but it is also
only an aspect of my inner nature that people get a glimpse of, & that
only in the guise of being another person entirely!
And, best of all, people come to see the play of their own volition. And
always walk away moved for the better.
v
************************
I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
Valerie Cooper * http://geocities.com/SoHo/7982/
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:20:39 EDT
From: DruoutATnospamaol.com
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net
Cc: nancyATnospamwtp.net, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Not "How?" but "WHY?"*forgiveness*
Message-ID: <4ee85f20.35931388ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-06-25 21:58:08 EDT, vcooperATnospamptialaska.net writes:
<< This just seems very brutal to me to be about over-verbosity, & I don't
understand... >>
Dear Valerie,
Yes, you are quite right! Sorry! One one hand it is a measure of our
frustration--many have had private "please edit" conversations w/Paul..On the
other, I think Paul really should think about forming a list of his own since
he has rejected the idea of keeping a diary, and he seems to need to
talk..............................................! (and not just on this
list)
I think he tries to pare it down, but simply can't. I don't know what the
answer is.
But my delete key is tired.
Love, Hillary
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:30:28 -0800
From: valerie cooper <vcooperATnospamptialaska.net>
To: DruoutATnospamaol.com
CC: madammumATnospamptialaska.net, nancyATnospamwtp.net, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Not "How?" but "WHY?"*forgiveness*
Message-ID: <35946755.1B22ATnospamptialaska.net>
DruoutATnospamaol.com wrote:
> <<vc: This just seems very brutal to me to be about over-verbosity, & I don't
> understand... >>
> Dear Valerie,
>
>hillary: Yes, you are quite right! Sorry! One one hand it is a measure of our
> frustration--many have had private "please edit" conversations w/Paul..On the
> other, I think Paul really should think about forming a list of his own since
> he has rejected the idea of keeping a diary, and he seems to need to
> talk..............................................! (and not just on this
> list)
> I think he tries to pare it down, but simply can't. I don't know what the
> answer is.
> But my delete key is tired.
vc: the thing is, we should all get a video cam so we can SEE the
expressions on the faces (oh wait, is that just in *chat*?).
we are just technologically inept in this situation!
An expression is worth a thousand billion words!
But, words on a screen can be construed in any possible *personal* way,
& have the possibility of inciting self-loathing, or pushing the wrong
buttons inappropriately.
Sure make some *bru-ha-ha-he-man meat* outta the lil buggers in us all
(if we aren't already suicidal...)!
But, certainly Paul's NOT suicidal, are you Paul?
...Paul?
...Paul?
SOMEBODY CALL 9-11!!!
vc
************************
Things are more like they are today than they ever have been before.
Valerie Cooper * http://geocities.com/SoHo/7982/
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:36:50 -0500
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Dreams, visions and symbols
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>Harsha: Why the need for a knock? There is no door.
Who said anything about a door? I was knocking on my forehead :-)
amckeon
(looking forward to the "Harsha and Lobster" roadshow)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:47:57 -0800
From: valerie cooper <vcooperATnospamptialaska.net>
To: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Bye
Message-ID: <35946B6F.3E48ATnospamptialaska.net>
Paul West wrote:
>
> Hello.
>
> I've decided to leave the list. I cannot control my urge to make
> something of myself, and I cannot resist make mountains out of
> molehills. I am not bitter. There's just too much to cope with. I am
> not going to lurk and do not have plans for the future. Staying here
> only seems to further my desire to be wanted. I need to be alone for a
> while to confront myself. I wish you well.
'tis folly to make conclusive statements within an inconclusive
situation...
v
************************
Things are more like they are today than they ever have been before.
Valerie Cooper * http://geocities.com/SoHo/7982/
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:45:03 +0100
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: <PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com>, <PaulisediATnospamaol.com>, <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>,
<kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: How?
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Liz:
>May everyone choose their own path.
>Let everyone seek their own means to enlightenment.
>Everyone is an individual, you know your own "truth"
Hi Liz,
May everyone find the Path
Allow everyone to find the means to enlightenment
Everyone is One, knowing this completely they know the Truth
Be Well, Find Truth
Lobster
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:23:17 EDT
From: WEIVODAATnospamaol.com
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Loss and Acceptance
Message-ID: <cee5664a.35932234ATnospamaol.com>
Okay . . . Today I lost a friend who I have know since I was five. She was
raped and beaten to death, in her own house. I have been trying to accept my
feelings for all of this, and accept that she is gone, and I can do nothing
but remember all the memories in which we shared. I am not sure, all I know is
that I am falling apart.
This has thrown me all off balance; meditation, yoga, mentally, just
everything. I cannot do a thing. I feel almost paralyzed. I tried some
grounding, centering, nothing. My flow of K energy has ceased. I do though
feel a blockage around my heart charka sometimes. I have tried to clear it,
but I am getting nothing from it.
I am not sure anymore, just as thought I was reaching the peak, I fall back
down. What a roller coaster, I guess.
Love,
Kristin
Pour tous ces petits bonheurs qui ont apporte un peu de chaleur dans mon vieux
couer.
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 20:51:31 -0800
From: valerie cooper <vcooperATnospamptialaska.net>
To: WEIVODAATnospamaol.com
CC: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Loss and Acceptance
Message-ID: <35947A52.445ATnospamptialaska.net>
WEIVODAATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
> Okay . . . Today I lost a friend who I have know since I was five. She was
> raped and beaten to death, in her own house. I have been trying to accept my
> feelings for all of this, and accept that she is gone, and I can do nothing
> but remember all the memories in which we shared. I am not sure, all I know is
> that I am falling apart.
>
> This has thrown me all off balance; meditation, yoga, mentally, just
> everything. I cannot do a thing. I feel almost paralyzed. I tried some
> grounding, centering, nothing. My flow of K energy has ceased. I do though
> feel a blockage around my heart charka sometimes. I have tried to clear it,
> but I am getting nothing from it.
>
> I am not sure anymore, just as thought I was reaching the peak, I fall back
> down. What a roller coaster, I guess.
How can we, as a support group, ever hope to cope with deaths;
especially brutal deaths?
I - for one - have read "Why Bad Things Happen To Good People" over &
over & over. No answers anyway.
I keep thinkin maybe a 'past life regression' might explain these
things. But - then, again - I'm not invested that such a 'regression'
would mean a thing.
*Frickin sumbitchin CRAP!* -
what else can anybody say???
vc
ps (my condolances. I KNOW how you must feel. Shine the light from the
third chakra (heart) upwards.
MAKE it work, #1 !
God/ess BLESS us all!)
vc
************************
Things are more like they are today than they ever have been before.
Valerie Cooper * http://geocities.com/SoHo/7982/
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:17:29 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Loss and Acceptance
Message-ID: <35932EE9.988CC46EATnospammail.snet.net>
valerie cooper wrote:
> I keep thinkin maybe a 'past life regression' might explain these
> things. But - then, again - I'm not invested that such a 'regression'
> would mean a thing.
> *Frickin sumbitchin CRAP!* -
> what else can anybody say???
No explanation will suffice.But
Intent is a different animal.
This is an issue of Safety.
Going though.
Letting go.
An opportunity for POWERFUL transformation.
But no words can explain how I feel
(for you)
Blessings Kristin,
You are the Phoenix that arises from the flame
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:20:15 EDT
From: WEIVODAATnospamaol.com
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Loss and Acceptance
Message-ID: <b6e9d1f4.35932f90ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-06-26 00:55:12 EDT, you write:
> How can we, as a support group, ever hope to cope with deaths;
>especially brutal deaths?
>I - for one - have read "Why Bad Things Happen To Good People" over &
>over & over. No answers anyway.
>I keep thinkin maybe a 'past life regression' might explain these
>things. But - then, again - I'm not invested that such a 'regression'
>would mean a thing.
>*Frickin sumbitchin CRAP!* -
>what else can anybody say???
This is one thing I have asked myself so many times. I have never understood
the concept of why things happen to good people. I do not think I will ever
know. All I know is that no one should have to die like that. The confusions
of life.
Kristin
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:28:05 EDT
From: PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Loss and Acceptance
Message-ID: <3c6cfac4.35933166ATnospamaol.com>
I am so sorry, Kristin....
Liz
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:30:10 -0800
From: valerie cooper <vcooperATnospamptialaska.net>
To: WEIVODAATnospamaol.com
CC: madammumATnospamptialaska.net, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Loss and Acceptance
Message-ID: <3594835E.4C73ATnospamptialaska.net>
WEIVODAATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-06-26 00:55:12 EDT, you write:
>
> > How can we, as a support group, ever hope to cope with deaths;
> >especially brutal deaths?
> >I - for one - have read "Why Bad Things Happen To Good People" over &
> >over & over. No answers anyway.
> >I keep thinkin maybe a 'past life regression' might explain these
> >things. But - then, again - I'm not invested that such a 'regression'
> >would mean a thing.
> >*Frickin sumbitchin CRAP!* -
> >what else can anybody say???
>
> This is one thing I have asked myself so many times. I have never understood
> the concept of why things happen to good people. I do not think I will ever
> know. All I know is that no one should have to die like that. The confusions
> of life.
all we can do is *pray*... pray for those of us - innocents - &
whatever happened previously to make these scenarios *balanced* somehow
- pray for deliverance, & also for the expanded consciousness for
comprehension. And pray for your friend, because she has graduated -
transisted - to the realms that we cannot relate to.
But - we all can still pray for her. I do not believe that we will
ever be able to assimilate these seeming disasters, without going very
deeply within & releasing her to her *higher good*.
Indubitably, eventually, she is better off where she has gone to.
DEATH is always worser on the persons left behind.
WE maybe don't quite *get it* - but, from their vantage point, they
do.
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Things are more like they are today than they ever have been before.
Valerie Cooper * http://geocities.com/SoHo/7982/
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:50:28 -0400
From: "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com>
To: <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Loss and Acceptance
Message-Id: <199806260549.BAA26696ATnospamsandia.aug.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:01:39 -0800
From: valerie cooper <vcooperATnospamptialaska.net>
To: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: How?
Message-ID: <35948ABE.6DB0ATnospamptialaska.net>
Paul West wrote:
>
> > While Mr. West might not be enlightened or spiritually inclined, he
> > provides a certain level of background noise that was otherwise
> > unavailable. Of course strangely enough the list functioned fine without
> > this background noise before. But for now enjoy it.
>
> Thanks for your comments Dan, but I am not background noise thankyou.
> I don't say this as someone wanting to be in the limelight. Just
> because I talk a lot doesn't mean I talk crap. What if I have other
> `high standards' which allow me to listen a lot too? Maybe relative to
> myself all my `noise' is not nonsense at all.
>
> I thankyou for sticking up for me, anyways.
wrong person here, mr. west!
v
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Things are more like they are today than they ever have been before.
Valerie Cooper * http://geocities.com/SoHo/7982/
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:04:34 +0800
From: Hajeed <habATnospamtelekom.com.my>
To: "'madammumATnospamptialaska.net'" <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>,
"WEIVODAATnospamaol.com" <WEIVODAATnospamaol.com>
Cc: "Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: Loss and Acceptance
Message-ID: <01BDA113.BBA75C40ATnospamc01ws163.s01ws01.dom>
Do Astral Projection.
Strong Intention to see/talk to the friend who was raped and beaten to death.
Ask the friend you see in the invisible dimension to describe/tell you who did
the violence. Take revenge by using inner electrical power from your
Kundalini source.
I have watched somebody who can produce the electrical power from his
hand from his Kundalini energy.
There is a way by concentration, mental and emotional will to direct the
electric inside you (can be up to 600 KV) to beat somebody else from
a very far distance if you clearly see the person and the person is evil.
Our inner energy can ONLY do good things. So it can be used towards
somebody who is really bad. Not to good people.
However, sad to say, I wish I could have the inner electrical power and
can travel out of my body.
Regards,
Hajeed
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 05:47:12 +0100
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: "K. list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Difference according to Ken Wilbur
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In the interview, Ken Wilber uses the word "prerational" and the
interviewer asks the meaning of the word:
Shambhala: Prerational?
Ken Wilber: Yes, the confusion of feelings with spiritual awareness.
Shambhala: Spiritual awareness isn't feelings?
Ken Wilber: No, it is not feelings, it is the awareness of feelings. And
that awareness itself is free of feelings and free of thoughts, and
allows both feelings and thoughts to float by, just as clouds float by
in the emptiness of the sky. But if you confuse experiential feelings
with that emptiness, then you will confuse emotionalism and
sentimentalism with spirit, and this is often the first step on a
regressive slide into the unending world of your own subjective
fascination. You don't transcend the self, you simply feel the self
intensely, and this is called "spiritual." This is a bit of a mess,
really.
Be Well
Lobster
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