1998/06/25 17:33
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #476
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 476
Today's Topics:
Re: How? [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
Duty and acceptability [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
Re: How? [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
Re: How? [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: How? [ PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Mantras [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: Sound Meditation [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Re: Re: How? [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: How? [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: How? [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: How? [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: How? [ "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com> ]
Re: How? [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: How? [ "Dan Margolis" <dmargolisATnospamabm.com> ]
Re: How? [ Jude1ATnospamwebtv.net ]
Not "How?" but "WHY?" [ nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net> ]
Re: Sound Meditation [ MoonrisempATnospamaol.com ]
Seeking Advice [ Jude1ATnospamwebtv.net ]
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:52:11 +0100
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: "rod sandcones" <galerosATnospamthorazine.neuron.net>
Cc: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>,
"kundalini-1" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: How?
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>Easy, there, lobster,
My apologies. Not for my words that have to be said. Most people don't
realise that I have been in contact with Paul for several months on A BBS on
a daily basis. He shows no capacity for growth. Idries Shah describes some
people as completely incapable of making any form of spiritual progress. I
did not believe this. Now I do. It saddens me greatly.
>On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Lobster wrote:
>> Rubbish!
>> You are an egotist. You are a corrupting influence. To say that there is
>> nothing wrong with that would be to allow falsity to masquerade as
wisdom.
>> That is why I constantly remind you - you are a fool - a jabbering
monkey.
>I happen to hold much of the same perspective as you do, lobster. Paul
>comes across as "thinking" he has all the answers, but it's more a
>superficial second-hand knowledge. I'm new to the list, but have
>experience with k.
Welcome Friend.
>I actually had a full-blown k-experience before I knew about k. But,
>that's for another post. I've been lurking a lil to gauge others'
>experiences to my own. What I have read is some a people parroting what
>they have read with out a deeper understanding. Reading is good. Bt,
>don't mistake the "map" for the "territory". The map is a "guide", but it
>doesn't encompass the "real thing". This is all well and
>good, they(some people) are trying to learn, but Paul comes across to me
>as someone who feels he need learn no more, at least not from anyone else.
This condition is exemplified in the empty vessel half filled (with half
digested 'truths') It thinks itself wise. It comes to others and advises. It
is dangerous. People say but look 'spiritual people are gentle and kind'. If
they knew the price of being genuine they would not be so. What they want is
. . .
"Ah Paul, you have much wisdom but need to listen a little. My Dear Friend
we all need to recognise our own blindness, our own obsession with ourself.
If you do this you may feel that so many things you regard as simple truths
are not :-) I wish you all the good in the world."
However such sentimental spirituality is dismissed by the clever ego again
and again . . . IT THINKS IT HAS HEARD this . . .
>Listening is important! Speaking is , too! Seek the balance.
>I say give Paul some time, though, he's ready to blossom, he just needs to
>see the light.
:-) I know what I am saying. :-)
Paul is incapable of blossoming because he is not even a tree (real human
being).
>BTW, ego is not necessarily bad. When balanced with non-ego, that is. It
>gives one persepctive. Which is important, IMHO. So, I send Paul a
>little bottle of non-ego to help him grow. We all get (t)here, some
>sooner
>than others and some later, but we all get (t)here.
We don't all get there. That is the point. We must ensure that some who are
incapable do not bring down others.
>Peace, Love and Light to ALL,
>Galeros
Indeed
Peace, Love and Light to All
Lobster
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:21:06 +0100
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Duty and acceptability
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_____
A group of people who suffered from what is called 'confined thinking'
approached
a Sufi. They asked him:
"Why do you never answer questions in a simple and lucid manner, as we
have been trained to do?"
He said:
"Because my work is to transmit what I have to transmit. Anything I say,
and much of what I do, must follow that pattern. If instead I fail in my
duty and do instead what you are trying to make me do, I become your
instrument, not the instrument of Truth."
A passer-by remarked:
"But the last time you were asked that very same question in my presence,
your
reply was: "Because I do not want to be like you!"
The Sufi raised his head and said:
"If you would only dwell upon the two answers, perhaps you might see that
the
answers could seem different wheras in reality they possess the same
meaning."
___________
Seeker After Truth Idries Shah
Lobster Web Pages: http://ds.dial.pipex.com/town/park/gcn23/
YinYana Buddhism, Alchemy, Sufism, Time Travel, Satanism and String
Yam?I AM Web site: http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/park/gcn23/iam/iam.html
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:13:16 +0100
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>, "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>,
"kundalini-1" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: How?
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><< Know this PAUL WEST. You are not enlightened. You are not wise. You are
not
> spiritual. You do not have wisdom.
> Now weep. I have nothing for you but tears.
>
> Sadly
> Lobster >>
>
>Harsha: Don't be sad Lobster. Is it proper to request someone to weep?
Should
>we set an example by going first? Who will feel better if the crying
>commences? What if the request to weep is denied? Should not the tears
come
>from within? What are tears after all but salt water.
:)
The only real (genuine) thing Paul could do is weep. So it is proper to
request this. Harsha do you believe (as I do) that each person experiences
the good and bad they do during the death experience - from the other
persons perspective? Do you think such requests and the way I use words are
just tossed lightly - like a salad? The request can not be denied. The tears
are from within, that is why they are requested. Salt water is the ocean
that Lobsters live in. Just as an future acorn is the cause of the parent
tree, so do the creatures of the sea cause their own environment in which
they must manifest. Now do not assalt me with wisdom . . . my wounds are
deep enough already . . .
Be Well
Lobster
Date: 25 Jun 98 16:21:53 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: How?
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Dear Harsha,
> Harsha: Don't be sad Lobster. Is it proper to request someone to weep? Should
> we set an example by going first? Who will feel better if the crying
> commences? What if the request to weep is denied? Should not the tears come
> from within? What are tears after all but salt water.
I felt Lobster was using it as a figure of speech.
That aside, something I'd like to ask you. Do you think I react to the
/appearance/ of people? Like that person who posted recently with
concern about madness, I had no problem listening and being there for
them. That person gave me images of being a novice, of being delicate
and genuine. So I felt I could be that way with them. But then there
are people like Lobster, for example, who maybe I perceive with a
great deal of authority or something. Somehow it seems that I view
`spiritual novices' as more genuine than those who seem to be experts.
Is this an image thing? Like, is the greatest of wisdoms turned into
the direst of rubbish when there is any hint of competition? I asked
of myself recently if the reason I had such a big ego was because
that's what becomes of something truly beautiful when there is a small
amount of illusion. Can you shed any light on this? Is there any
validity in my theory that God seen through the thinnest of illusions
is sheer hell?
--
Paul.
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:29:10 EDT
From: PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com
To: PaulisediATnospamaol.com, paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: How?
Message-ID: <4c02ed86.3592a507ATnospamaol.com>
May everyone choose their own path.
Let everyone seek their own means to enlightenment.
Everyone is an individual, you know your own "truth"
Liz
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:38:56 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: fluteATnospamtexas.net, kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Mantras
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Thanks for sharing the mantras!
Orea
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:08:36 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
Cc: "Samuel Abebe" <sabebeATnospamrtinews.com>,
"Kundalini list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Sound Meditation
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At 09:44 AM 25/06/98 -0400, Wonderer wrote:
>Dear Samuel,
>
>Thank you for all the information on the inner sound. I can only
>sometimes hear the sound at will. However, meditation will often
>bring it about. Perhaps the sound contains all the music of the
>universe, but it sounds like a flat tone to me. I will try to
>experience it more fully next time.
>Samuel wrote:
>
>>Many scriptures make strong
>>connection between the inner sound and the source. Some suggest
>>that the sound and the source are one and the same. "In the
>>beginning was the word, the word was with God and the world was
>>God." In translation, "word" was used instead of "Logos"
>
>Very true! How did I miss that one!
Well glory be. It had to happen, sooner or later somebody had to come up
with an explanation for the ear ringing that made metaphysical sense.
After the thread came up last time I too had the impression ringing ears
and Om were connected, especially since hearing the tones is associated
with an increase of K fire.
I like using tones for energy work. I have been doing it spontaneously
since I was a child. My best and newest toy is a beautiful Tibetan singing
bowl.
Playing the bowl is a meditation in itself. To make even tones requires
putting even pressure on all sides of the bowl with the stick circling
around it. This requires single-minded focus and muscular relaxation. But
the sound! It is felt in the lower chakras before it becomes audible. It
is heard in the bones, in the mind and reflecting off the walls long after
it has stopped. It leaves me tingling and vibrating, feeling relaxed and
energized both at once.
The first time I heard a Tibetan singing bowl was at the harmonic
convergence. The sound pulled me in and re-awakened Kundalini dormant
after years of spiritual Winter. The sound haunted me for years.
I got this bowl only a few weeks ago, and already I do not need to play it
new hear it. I hear when I think of it, or look at it. This weekend I was
experimenting with playing it while I sat in the lap of my slave lecher.
Shaktizap drove him crazy. Fun fun fun!
Ack! Speaking of sound and mantras, I am writing this using new voice
dictation software, and just now I was trying to teach it to write Shakti,
repeating the word over & over till I was overcome with at two hankie
sneeze fit. Shakti zapped my own sinuses to make my voice clearer. Funny.
Blessings, Mystress.
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:49:21 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com, Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com, paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: How?
Message-ID: <3899195.3592b7d2ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 6/25/1998, 1:38:18 PM, lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com writes:
<<Now do not assalt me with wisdom . . . my wounds are
deep enough already . . .
Be Well
Lobster
>>
Harsha: I do not know about wisdom Ed. Perhaps it is my tears that you feel in
your wounds.
Date: 25 Jun 98 20:11:34 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: How?
Message-Id: <3592AEF6.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> While Mr. West might not be enlightened or spiritually inclined, he
> provides a certain level of background noise that was otherwise
> unavailable. Of course strangely enough the list functioned fine without
> this background noise before. But for now enjoy it.
Thanks for your comments Dan, but I am not background noise thankyou.
I don't say this as someone wanting to be in the limelight. Just
because I talk a lot doesn't mean I talk crap. What if I have other
`high standards' which allow me to listen a lot too? Maybe relative to
myself all my `noise' is not nonsense at all.
I thankyou for sticking up for me, anyways.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
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Date: 25 Jun 98 20:55:32 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: How?
Message-Id: <3592B944.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> The only real (genuine) thing Paul could do is weep.
Are you now suggesting that I am not capable of crying? Or maybe that
I have never cried for another?
I have not met any person that has made me so angry as you have
Lobster. Not that you are performing an injustice but that you're so
bloody unnecessary sometimes. Of course, unconditional love is
beautiful, but sometimes I am sure you lapse into unconditional hate
as well. There is such a fine line, and the more refined things are
the more subtle is the line. Sometimes you cross it.
I know that I am generally opinionated and that I will experience an
opinion about everything I see regardless of wether I have encountered
it before or not. When I have an image about you I feel such outrage
at your `incompassion'. I know your heart is in the right place. You
must have been so blessed in this lifetime to be so normal. I cannot
help but stand out from the crowd and draw everyones attention to
myself.
I am generally joyous, cheerful, and friendly. That is how I behave in
real life when I am not trying so hard. It's always there, never goes
away. Just gets stuff added on top, like the anger that I feel towards
you. I like limelight because I need encouragement, as a direct result
of a lack of courage myself. I do not have the courage to be as
inconspicuous as you are. I do not have the courage to assert myself
in the avenues that matter. And the false holyness leads to leaks.
I am not good at this spirituality lark except in really ideal
circumstances, not where I am comfortable or where my ego is pleased
but where there are no stimuli to make me flare up. It happens when I
am out with nature. As soon as I come back to civilisation things go
wrong. I know that I am hiding, Lobster. Maybe my nickname should be
Clam or Crab, while we're scampering about on the ocean floor
together.
I listen to your apparent harshness. Other people speak of how you are
being too nasty. Have you heard me say such a thing myself? At least
not with any great deliberation. If you are any kind of a guru you are
good at your job, which I expect you don't want to hear. I appreciate
you continually pointing out my bad-points and I already see that this
is bringing light into my life. It may appear to others, in your
writing, that you are rejecting me, but I know otherwise. I am happy
that you and others (Mystress ;) are so prepared to tell me off. It's
more than most people would do for me.
You say that I am a lost cause. You may be right. I open to the
possiblity sometimes. I know you are only compassionately pointing out
what is actual. Surely it is much better for me than the people who
would rather turn a blind eye or go along with things or leave me in
the dark. And I am happy to continue arguing my pants off at you for a
while yet until it is certain once and for all where the truth is.
I can give you some ammo if you like. I am good at acting, pretending.
I will put on an act to have things go smoothly. Do you reckon I
should jump off a cliff onto some rugged rocks? Hmm. Anyway, there is
more peace now.
--
Paul.
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Date: 25 Jun 98 22:08:52 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: How?
Message-Id: <3592C8C9.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Dear Wonderer,
> How unfortunate that you are under such scrutiny at this moment.
Yes, seems I have spread my scrutinisation of the universe like a
plague to all other people. I do have an analytical streak in me.
That's not all that's here though.
> I did not want to dissect you, but found myself doing so. Pardon the
> intrusion, but (if you are interested) here is my sense of where you
> are at:
So long as you dissect me in the non-fragmentary way I think it'll be
alright :)
> War between your mental and spiritual bodies. Your intellect is
> trying to evaluate and protect you (your ego). This mind chatter is
> fear based; the Ego is fearing its own demise. The mind's tactics
> are much like the US Congress in a fillibuster; they pretend to be
> furthering the cause of the subject at hand, but the effect is just
> the opposite.
I am not familiar with US congress or a `fillibuster' (?), but I think
I get the picture.
> Ultimately, your mental body must elect to serve your spirital
> wisdom
> and you will progress to calmer thought. Realize that even your
> strong intellect cannot rival the genious inherent in all creation.
Are you observing that I am intellectual?
> One final thought... One of my best friends is an intellectual. I
> adore him, because I know he is sincere and kind, even if he lacks
> intuition and common sense.
Am I like him?
My buzzword lately is courage. I think it is what I lack. I am
generally vague and lack integrity. I do however have heightened
common-sense and intuition. It's strange, it's a whole cocktail of
things in this body that contribute to the final result.
I am able to ignite my heart sometimes. I can be so immensely joyous
and simple. Tremendous common-sense. I could tell people a lot about
common-sense. I couldn't really define it but I could give examples of
it or indicate where it is.
The people of the real world who want to play games think that
common-sense is so boring. Somebody asks if you want to go down the
pub for a drink and you tell them you are not thirsty. People make
issues out of everything, a whole fanfare.
I don't really understand it but I have both extremes within me. There
is some part of me that is up for the good life and there is some part
of me that is extremely down to earth and sensible. Would be nice I
suppose if I could show the easy-going me more often but the other
half of me prevents it. It's kind of an arrangement and somehow I
manage to keep the two apart.
Common-sense is very practical. Not in that it is physical, but in
that it is a matter of necessity, efficiency, intelligence and doing
what is necessary to get the job done without fuss. The person without
common-sense will make a hullabuloo about the finer points of their
new car. A person with common-sense will probably say that buses are
cheaper. There are all sorts of not necessarily pleasant or
entertaining things that common-sense requires. It certainly isn't a
worldly thing. It is about hard work and patience and being able to
see a thing through to its completion.
People without common-sense are romantic. I must admit that I do have
a very romantic streak which is on the other side of me, sensual and
emotional. Common-sense is almost cold, and people find it hard to
understand that there is such warmth at its heart. If I could have a
penny for the number of times I've said "why don't you just..."...
There is to be no messing about when it comes to common-sense, and yet
it is extremely tolerant.
I have a theory that if you incarnate into a human body with a given
set of real virtues, you somewhat automatically receive the
alternatives as well. It's part of the duality thing, the wheel of
rebirth and all that. I have some big problems but it is not an
injustice that they are there. It's a case of knowing what you're
doing and being capable. Sometimes when there is a lot of capability
it can start to sound like ego and even become ego.
Common-sense is one of my forte's though. It's quite a serious thing.
It is atuned with nature, not in a romantic way but in that it is
nature's intelligence and way of doing things. If there should become
any ego or mis-association as a result of the seriousness I can become
suddenly and quickly upset. You could call it emotional fragility.
There are probably other things you could call it as well. Maybe all I
need is some organisation, to give voice to the better me.
There are people who catch sight of the less attractive aspects of my
whole and rightly or not they wage war against them trying to teach me
stuff. But they don't understand that I am perfectly in touch with
most of what they're saying. It is not as though I have not *lived*
almost all of the things I talk about. I am not telling you about
common-sense out of knowledge gained from other resources, I am
telling you first hand. Such is people's belief that ego cannot
coexist with God that they do not believe that this is so.
The reason my ego has a field day is because the field is very
beautiful and there is plenty to harvest from it and it's positively
in ecstacy at having so much access to reality. There are some who
will dispute the conceptual or philosophical possibility of that. I
have done plenty of service to others by way of being simple,
sensible, and a realist. The only thing is that I do also indulge and
the reason I do not hold myself back is because I feel I deserve it
because of all the great things I've done. At least, that is my ego's
view of things when it takes hold.
The sheer extent of my common-sense and genuine virtue is the most
fantastic excuse my ego needs to spend much more time playing games. I
continue to seek a solution to this, if there is one. But it is not
gonig to come by way of other people telling me wise things that I am
able to live for myself. If it weren't for the fact that I /can/ be
such a beautiful person, I am sure my ego wouldn't have so much
justification for sticking to its guns. My ego judges all my good
deeds and sees that they are so aplenty that it has tremendously
good-reason to run riot. It is by way of this that I have fragile
emotions and that if I slip I fall a long way. It is also because of
this that in having fallen I bounce around all over the place in
mood-swings on a bunjee cord.
I love you and everybody very much. But I can also be hell. It's a
kind of sacrificial thing perhaps. In not fundamentally having very
much control (thus lots of freedom), a person can tend to go with the
flow when there are influences beyond their abilities of control. I
only try to control the world so much out of fear of realising that I
don't have enough. I know that's an ego thing. It is only generally
when there are no intense influences that I am able to be myself.
Otherwise I sort of drift. As you can see now. I take ego to its
heights.
--
Paul.
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:38:12 -0400
From: "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com>
To: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: How?
Message-Id: <199806252138.RAA07420ATnospamsandia.aug.com>
Just reveal this, Paul. When you write do you smile and giggle a lot?
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:01:13 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: How?
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Spirituality lark? Is that what it is to you, Paul? Or is it a figure
of speech chosen to fit your emotional state?
Orea
Paul West wrote:
> <enormous snippage>
>
> I am not good at this spirituality lark except in really ideal
> circumstances, not where I am comfortable or where my ego is pleased
> but where there are no stimuli to make me flare up. It happens when I
> am out with nature. As soon as I come back to civilisation things go
> wrong.
> <more snippage>
>
> --
> Paul.
>
> IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
> WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
> E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:45:59 -0700
From: "Dan Margolis" <dmargolisATnospamabm.com>
To: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: How?
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Dan MargolisATnospamABM
06/25/98 03:45 PM
>> The only real (genuine) thing Paul could do is weep.
>
> Are you now suggesting that I am not capable of crying? Or maybe that
> I have never cried for another?
I believe what Lobster is suggesting is that because you seem incapable of
changing yourself, or letting other's change you, and because there is such
a giant discrepancy between how you seem to others, how you seem to
yourself, and how you could really be that the only genuine thing you can
do is face this discrepancy and realize how far you are from being genuine.
Unfortunately, the way you have chosen to explore spirituality, the
continous posting of intellectual and emotional stream of consciousness,
has become a barrier to you realizing what's real. Also your refusal to
face yourself and change not just what your saying, but how you are has
caused this rift.
Lobster has asked you to mourn for the fact that you can never find what
your looking for because the very way you've chosen to look for it blinds
your eyes...
There is no intellectual or emotional posting you can make that would be
genuine...
_____
Nasrudin was outside in his yard searching through the grass.
His neighbor came by and asked him what he was looking for.
"I've lost my key."
"Oh, tell me where did you lose it exactly, and I'll help you look."
"I lost it in my living room."
"Then why are you out here in the yard looking for it?"
"The lights so much better out here."
_____
Dan M.
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:41:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jude1ATnospamwebtv.net
To: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk (Paul West), Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: How?
Message-ID: <16636-3592D234-4341ATnospammailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net>
Temper, temper, Paul. Come back into the Light.
Judy
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:05:29 -0600
From: nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Not "How?" but "WHY?"
Message-ID: <3592D7B9.55958FEFATnospamwtp.net>
Paul West wrote:
>Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me.
>I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I.
>My, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my.
>Ego, ego, ego, ego, ego, ego, ego, ego, ego.
On and on and on and on and on. Paul, please, STOP!!! Everyone who is
encouraging Paul's self-absorption, please refrain. ENOUGH!!!
Paul, this list isn't about you. It's about kundalini. I would suggest
that if you want to keep going on and on about yourself that you start a
"Paul West" mailing list and those who do want to talk to you about you
can subscribe.
Nancy
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:37:17 EDT
From: MoonrisempATnospamaol.com
To: UweJohannATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Sound Meditation
Message-ID: <93f6acde.3592df2eATnospamaol.com>
Uwe & list,
I would also like to say that I really enjoy this list and I get a lot of help
from it and when someone asks me questions I cannot answer, I can usually get
the answer from someone here.
I am a reader more than participant at times. I do not feel weird and I feel
the accepting energy from this list. Most everyone of the communications have
been lovingly presented.
Thanks again,
Barbara
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:03:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jude1ATnospamwebtv.net
To: raamgATnospaminter.net.il, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Seeking Advice
Message-ID: <16629-3592E566-8497ATnospammailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net>
Hi Gabriel!
I have had the numbness thing at various times (probably not Kundalini
related, but who knows). along with assorted other physical effects
(seeing things, hearing things, etc.). I have found chiropractic helps.
I don't know if it is removing the energy block, putting the spine back
in alignment or what. All I know is that it has helped me. Most of the
other effects (seeing and hearing), I just relax and enjoy it. But the
numbness is hard to handle as it interferes with walking and more.
Love and Light,
Judy
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