1998/06/23 08:24
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #471
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 471
Today's Topics: Re: Madness [ "Paul West" ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ vcooper ] List Escapee [ vcooper ]
Re: Dreams, visions and symbols [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ] Unidentified subject! [ "Paul Torres" ]
RE: Unidentified subject! [ "jb" ] RE: Just Curious? [ "jb" ]
Re: Just Curious? [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" ] walking meditation [ "Zack Kaplan"
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> help! I think I'm going mad
Hello Jacqueline,
You remind me of me. Right at the start of the kundalini thing, in my case, there was suddenly a great deal of activity. If you like, it was
the course-grade of sandpaper rather than the fine-grade. Big, seemingly major things happened, but in the sense that they were very
general. The violet light exploding is the colour of the crown chakra and I presume this means a waking up of kundalini for you. When mine
woke up it started in the crown. It was also at a time when a lot of things were becoming very clear.
The strange thing is though, that if you make some room in yourself by
finding some clarity, and there is still some junk to be sorted through, the junk sort of gets shifted into the light so that it can
be seen and sorted out. So the act of becoming saner can at times feel like you're going bonkers. You make it sound as though you are at the
start of your spiritual experiences. It does not surprise me that there was a dramatic situation, ie the crash, in order to get the ball
rolling. It often starts with accidents or things that were not planned, as this is like being touched by the unknown. The unknown,
the devine, touches you as you are, and you experience it as you are at the time. So let's say you have some goo in yourself. That goo
would pretty much dictate how things would be formed and appear for you when being touched by the unknown. In your case the unknown came
at you and there was some quite important unpleasantness involved.
Maybe I am saying that you deserved it. I don't mean to sound maliceful or anything, I just feel that such a thing is possible. When
kundalini started up for me, along with a sudden massive delving into all sorts of `spiritual' and mystical things, a lot of things did go
down hill. I admit that I genuinely DID question my sanity a few times. Not just wondering it, or thinking about it, but /actually/
sitting down and being open to the possibility. Such things are necessary, to let a blockage become unblocked. It's like opening a
door. Apparently the final door is in hell, beyond which is heaven. But that does not mean things are pessimistic. On the contrary, many
wonderful things await. And being on the k list you will find plenty of support if you want to ask about any of those wierd things such as
chakras and so on.
Most importantly, there is something to bear in mind, and this is something that has been reinforced for me since being on this list.
Always, things are coming into consciousness. You shine an increasingly bright light on everything. This reveals some nasty mess.
it is not that the nasty mess is being /created/, it is that you are becoming aware of it, as you perhaps were not aware it was there
before. It can, at times, get you down, when so much mess is appearing around you, and you might think things are getting to be a nightmare,
but, for some strange reason, just beyond the illumination of all the horror there does /not/ seem to be a sudden and permanent end. Things
go on, there is rebirth, the door is opened and you go through, and things are blissful then. You may think you are going mad. Maybe you
should think of it as that you are shining more and more light onto an already existing madness. That you weren't aware it was there before
makes you feel like it's being created - that you're going mad. You're going /through/ madness. That means you are actually aiming to emerge
out of the other side. It is merely /scenery/. Have hope. People love you. When you think you might be crashing against the rocks, remember
that you are only passing by, on your way to dry land.
Being here for you,
-- Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:35:49 -0800 From: vcooper
To: k-list Subject: Swing Low Sweet Chakra Power
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AAAIYYYYYEEE!!! My acupuncturist & chiropracter lady-friend is truly *fixxing* me in my
spine & hips & I CAN FEEL THE POWER! Ow WHEEEEEEEE! It's gettin FREE!!!
Mystical serpent uncoils & stretches freely upwards; unimpeded by blockages in skeletal framework - 'tis incredible!
Anybody else being healed rapidly lately; the last few weeks or so? vc
************************ I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
Valerie Cooper * http://geocities.com/SoHo/7982/ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:42:57 -0800
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Jacqueline Worrall wrote: >
> help! I think I'm going mad
> e will leave me alone, even for a minuite. I feel I would like to ring the lady in hospital who helped me so much but i don't know what to say. Did I imagine it all, was I going nuts? > Jacqui
No. you are not going nuts. Can you go rent yourself a lighted, heated storage unit large enough for
you to stretch in & get some *alone time*? For reading, stretching & contemplation?
People around who might think you're nuts right now isn't healthy... v
************************ I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
Valerie Cooper * http://geocities.com/SoHo/7982/ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:47:43 -0800
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I can see right away that marcella - here, needs to be removed form
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:23:59 EDT From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, ledwardsATnospambestweb.net Subject: Re: Dreams, visions and symbols
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In a message dated 6/22/1998 2:50:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com writes:
< >Hi Lobster (?),
> >In the Shiva Sutras it says: Chittam mantraha. It means the essential
>nature of the mind is mantra, a throb of the Divine. Your mind is no >more and no less divine than all others.
Hi Lawrence (!), In the Lobster Sutras it says: Nothing. It means there is essentially no
mind - more or less . . .
. . . and as someone is insisting on singing at this moment . . .
'Wise men say only fools rush in but I can't help falling in love with You shall I stay
would it be a sin if I can't help falling in Love with You
Like a river flows to the sea so . . .
Be Well
Lobster >>
Harsha: I love that Song Lobster. It always puts me in Bhava Samadhi. Now Lawrence listen. Read the words of the Lobster carefully. Go through the
Lobster Sutras and digest them. That is the true Sadhana. It may take you years. Do not feel cheap for advertising your book here. Others have done it
as well. But ask yourself if you can really do a good Elvis impersonation. If you cannot, then what does all your sadhana really mean? Have you learned
anything? Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:54:18 PDT
From: "Paul Torres" To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, timATnospamsbinfo.com
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I am in an inquisitive mood tonight, so here I go.
Is there a possibility of a pre-kundalite to have a clearer, more encompassing point of view than a post-kundalite?
Is there anyone in the Philadelphia area who is reputed to have
awakened their potential? If so where? Who?
Does everyone here believe that Kundalini is a necessary step in the
path of enlightenment, or can it be reached without the experience?
Finally can someone give a possible interpraeation of the following... I was driving with a friend, we were talking about things, (he is an
athiest, and I am trying to fully understand how that is possible.) Along the way I began to feel a little wierd, but I continued. He was
"out of it" that night, but he was a good ear. We kept talking, and I kept driving, but the feeling became more intense, and I was forced to
stop the car, for safety. Slowly a rushing came about, all throughout my body. there were no specificities in the movement except that it felt
as though my blood was being pumped at twice its normal energetic potency. I had begun to breath heavier and deeper, until I noticed the
sound of my own breath. As these things heightened, my vision began to "white-out" and numbness began to travel up my arms, (my legs were of no
concern, I was too worried about the rest of me, but I don't think that I could have felt them either.) I didn't feel as though I should
continue the experience due to the inconvienience that it would cause my friend. He doesn't believe in any of the religious experience stuff.
After the whiteness and numbness settled down, I continued to drive, bringing him home immediately, it took about an hour, but I was still
feeling the wierdness. Upon recollection I remembered myself yawning alot during the whole experience. I went to bed a few hours after I
got home. Thanks alot,
Paul Torres
P.S. I am just looking for possible interpretations that I may have missed, I
am not basing my life's decisions solely on the advice of people that I have only met in writing, so please don't worry about that point of
view. Thanks
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:41:38 -0600 From: jason spencer
To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" Subject: Re: 4's and weather
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MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com wrote: Read Linda Goodman's "Star Signs" for concise numerology
information. 4 vibrates to the planet Uranus--which also rules radio waves, electricity,
and all things eccentric. It's fascinating!
Take care, Michele
Oh my Gosh !!!!! That is blowing me away. I have been obsessed with electricity and electromagnetics since this
all began. Before I knew that electromagnetics were associated with the body I was doodling drawings of the atom symbol over an electrical
plug in socket I could feel it. I feel that God is electricity that on the other side of the vail it is a complete flow of electricity
where we as electrical beings ,after shedding our bodies ,rejoin with whom we split off from when it was our time.
I was reading in a book I cant remember what the name of
it is but there was a guy who had set up a electric track choo choo train to run off his Alpha waves. You can lower your brain waves and produce
an electrical current . I will be digging through my books to find out the exact 's. If anyone knows of this please let me know.
I believe that this is how myself and lightning are related.
Oh and also my father bought me a 78 opal manta because I felt as if to paint an eagle coming down grasping the world that had a heart
around it ,on the back of my car with a big ol peace sign on the hood, the kind that looks like a Mercedes Ben's sign . He was moving to
a new neighborhood so he didn't want it at the new house. So .. the opals emergency break light in the car was the symbol for the 6th chakra
" two huge petals around a circle" in this book colors and crystals. And ok at the 6th chakra is telepathy and the christ consciousness center
which I had felt I was already centered in. Crazy deal. Also this is where I got my craving for electricity. It had to be
hot wired every time I wanted to start it. So i left the wires completely hanging and used roach clips to make the connection to start it.
And you know what is so funny is the key chain that I had the clips on was two snakes wrapping around the bottom of a crystal my dad (again)
bought it for me in at a shop on the way home from wendover. I didn't know that that represents k. until about 2 wks ago or that k.
is real. Man this is trippy and I love it !!!! Any ways about the electricity I could feel it fill me. It would
give me an extra charge. I felt as if i were electric. I feel as if Im electric.
I already wrote about the radio waves in the original 4's and weather. Thank you so much michelle. Thank you thank you. Now I
need to find out about venus. I am definitely going to read "star signs" Wee Hoo !!
~peace~love~and big long strong hugs~
~Im sending out a pink light from my heart to yours everyone~
Aimee
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:13:37 PDT From: "Paul Torres"
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, timATnospamsbinfo.com Subject: Just Curious?
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I am just curious, but I must ask. Many of you on this list seem to
type in a different style for your e-mails. I am not saying all of you, but just some. Is this because you all are changing from day to day in
such a momentus manner, or am I just seeing things?
Paul Torres
P.S. The reason I say this is because I am going through daily changes that
would have taken much longer in the past, and I was wondering how many of you are going through the same.
Post P.S.
To continue my previous E-mail with another Question, does anyone now anything of shapeshifting?
Thank you very much.
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:34:47 +0100 From: "Lobster"
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> . . . and as someone is insisting on singing at this moment . . . > 'Wise men say only fools rush in but I can't help falling in love with You
> shall I stay > would it be a sin
> if I can't help falling in Love with You > Like a river flows to the sea
> so . . .
>Harsha: I love that Song Lobster. It always puts me in Bhava Samadhi.
It was just on the radio so I typed in the words . . . So at the moment typed in (missed a few words . . . typing not fast enough)
'Sometimes I get tired of this me first . . .
you are the one thing that keeps me smiling because your light shine . . .
I don't feel no solitude I feel lost
and I never lose my faith in you Will I ever get to Heaven if I do?
When we touch the sky . . . why can't it always be so good
. . . etc . . .'
Be Well, Be Joyous, Listen to the Music
Lobster Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:50:33 +0100
From: "jb" To: "Paul Torres"
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Paul:
> Is there a possibility of a pre-kundalite to have a clearer, more > encompassing point of view than a post-kundalite?
Jan:
K. isn't a dial to measure one's views. Without proper attention, K. can give rise to a lot of confusion. Combined with meditation, K. can give rise
to insight and wisdom.
Paul: >[...] Does everyone here believe that Kundalini is a necessary step in the
> path of enlightenment, or can it be reached without the experience?
Jan: Enlightenment is possible without being conscious of K., which is the safer
and more pleasant way. A clear hint is in the Patanjali sutra (II, 45): "Illumination is attained by devotion to God". The translation from Purohit
Swami is rather free and certainly done because of experience (by himself and his master) and the purpose of the book to serve as a guide to
liberation. Another translation is much more literal: "From resignation to Ishvara (follows) the accomplishment of Samadhi". The explanation is the
same: the first samadhi without ego (by total surrender of ego) means enlightenment. It is impossible to describe; it is not a discovery, but a
sudden recognition of something that really never was lost. Enlightenment without K. is impossible; one is simply not conscious of it. After
enlightenment one will become conscious of K. and as it is clear that no link whatsoever exists between K. and breathing or any other physical
activity, one doesn't fall into the many traps. The spontaneous K. could technically be called a partial or incomplete enlightenment because the ego
isn't surrendered but suspended so it won't be recognized, but the result, early K. awakening, can't be missed.
Paul:
> Finally can someone give a possible interpraeation of the following... > I was driving with a friend, we were talking about things, (he is an
> athiest, and I am trying to fully understand how that is possible.) > Along the way I began to feel a little wierd, but I continued. He was
> "out of it" that night, but he was a good ear. We kept talking, and I > kept driving, but the feeling became more intense, and I was forced to
> stop the car, for safety. [...]
Jan: Sometimes, "looking inwards" has to be taken rather literally. There are
some changes in consciousness that require attention. If the attention is going outwards, events like this can happen. K. is a process of
transformation. Among others, the area of "personal opinion" will undergo a big change. When one has to operate from an area of personal opinion that is
"under transformation", strange effects like yours might occur. Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:50:40 +0100
From: "jb" To: "Paul Torres"
Cc: "K. list" Subject: RE: Just Curious?
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Paul:
> I am just curious, but I must ask. Many of you on this list seem to > type in a different style for your e-mails. I am not saying all of you,
> but just some. Is this because you all are changing from day to day in > such a momentus manner, or am I just seeing things?
> P.S.
> The reason I say this is because I am going through daily changes that > would have taken much longer in the past, and I was wondering how many
> of you are going through the same.
Jan: Both are possible. As K. is a force of transformation, everyone is changing.
Only the rate of change is different. If there is a rule to be kept in mind, it is this one: When one is undergoing change because of K., this fact alone
will cause one to think that others are changing. Long ago I went through a time of very fast transformations. One day, when addressed to as an
individual with personal opinion, I could come up with an answer and the next day, this was impossible and I felt literally to be a vacuum for
anything I was addressed to as a person. Because of my practice of walking meditation, there have been days that when starting to work in the morning,
I went into samadhi and got out of it when I was home again, not having the slightest memory of what had happened during the day. Only later I heard
that my body performed like an efficient silent robot, being completely unaddressable by anyone. Even now there is a change taking place, mainly
physical. Severe injuries that used to heal in months, now take a only few days to do so. Take care..
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:55:20 -0400 From: "Orea de Sa' Hana"
To: Paul Torres , kl List Subject: Re: Just Curious?
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Sometimes, Paul, I feel the words are not of me but through me. Other times, not. These days I mostly find I don't have a lot to say.
Blessings,
Orea
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:47:49 -0400 From: "Zack Kaplan"
To: "jb" , "Paul Torres" Cc: "K. list"
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hi-what is walking meditation-it sounds great!
zack ----------
> From: jb > To: Paul Torres
> Cc: K. list > Subject: RE: Just Curious?
> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 6:50 AM >
> > Paul:
> > I am just curious, but I must ask. Many of you on this list seem to > > type in a different style for your e-mails. I am not saying all of
you, > > but just some. Is this because you all are changing from day to day in
> > such a momentus manner, or am I just seeing things? >
> > P.S. > > The reason I say this is because I am going through daily changes that
> > would have taken much longer in the past, and I was wondering how many > > of you are going through the same.
> > Jan:
> Both are possible. As K. is a force of transformation, everyone is changing.
> Only the rate of change is different. If there is a rule to be kept in mind,
> it is this one: When one is undergoing change because of K., this fact alone
> will cause one to think that others are changing. Long ago I went through a
> time of very fast transformations. One day, when addressed to as an > individual with personal opinion, I could come up with an answer and the
> next day, this was impossible and I felt literally to be a vacuum for > anything I was addressed to as a person. Because of my practice of
walking > meditation, there have been days that when starting to work in the
morning, > I went into samadhi and got out of it when I was home again, not having
the > slightest memory of what had happened during the day. Only later I heard
> that my body performed like an efficient silent robot, being completely > unaddressable by anyone. Even now there is a change taking place, mainly
> physical. Severe injuries that used to heal in months, now take a only few
> days to do so. Take care.. >
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:17:40 EDT From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
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In a message dated 6/23/1998 3:51:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
hc19436ATnospamautovia.com writes:
< Jan: Enlightenment is possible without being conscious of K., which is the safer
and more pleasant way. A clear hint is in the Patanjali sutra (II, 45): "Illumination is attained by devotion to God". The translation from Purohit
Swami is rather free and certainly done because of experience (by himself and his master) and the purpose of the book to serve as a guide to
liberation. Another translation is much more literal: "From resignation to Ishvara (follows) the accomplishment of Samadhi". The explanation is the
same: the first samadhi without ego (by total surrender of ego) means enlightenment. It is impossible to describe; it is not a discovery, but a
sudden recognition of something that really never was lost. >>
Harsha: Beautifully stated. It is hard to add to this eloquence. Faith and devotion to God or Self is truly a great and a wonderful power. The
willingness of the ego to surrender to the Divine is a sign of high degree of spiritual maturity. It results in Self-Recognition/Self-Realization.
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