1998/06/19 13:07
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #465
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 465
Today's Topics:
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
Re: Releasing the Bitch [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
RE: the awakening of kundalini [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
RE: Anybody have experience with Raj [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
Re: Chakras [ flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net> ]
Re: the crone [ Kathy <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com> ]
RE: Life as meditation (wasRE: Anybo [ "Arti Singh" <ASINGH1ATnospamwpo.it.luc.ed ]
Re: chakra position [ takeuchiATnospamcgl.ucsf.EDU ]
Off topic [ Balaji_RadhakrishnanATnospamem.fcnbd.com ]
Re: Life as meditation (wasRE: Anybo [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: the crone [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: Ezekiel's Wheels [ "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com> ]
Re: Chakras [ "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com> ]
Re: Chakra Position [ Matthew Bastress <mattbATnospamchrysalis.c ]
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:18:37 +0100
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
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>I have also experienced telepathy with the same man who triggered my
experience. I have seen his aura and had vivid dreams. I have experienced
being on fire for over a year, nightmares, disorientation to the point of
wanting to commit suicide in '96. The grief finally let up about a year and
a half ago. I also finally found doctors in Ann Arbor who help people with
psychic problems and they put me on energy medicine which has helped
tremendously. I am now stable but my life on the physical plane is a mess.
I have lost a great deal of money this past year, lost my job and lost a
second custody battle so I don't get to see my daughter very much. My
future is uncertain and I could use some friends right now.
>
>thanks for just listening......
>
>debbie
Dear Friend,
Welcome. Your story is not uncommon. Many will relate to what you say. When
you need support, comfort, an ear, we are here for you . . .
It is not important to label your experiences. What is important is the
process of rebuilding.
Quite a lot has happened. What positive things are happening that you would
like to share?
I am going to send you some prayers and other K people I urge to do
likewise. We are behind you. Much good is coming your way.
Be Well, Be Happy, Be Kind
Lobster
Lobster Web Pages: http://ds.dial.pipex.com/town/park/gcn23/
YinYana Buddhism, Alchemy, Sufism, Time Travel, Satanism and String
Yam?I AM Web site: http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/park/gcn23/iam/iam.html
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:11:05 +0100
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: <NancyATnospamwtp.net>, "kundalini-1" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Releasing the Bitch
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Nancy (the realised Bitch) says:
>Over the last week, I've been doing and saying things just to mess with a
>few select people (who deserve it!!!). I have been troubled with myself
>because I have been such a bitch. But I couldn't deny that I really was
>enjoying myself.
You bitch!
Feels good to know what you are like? LOL
>So what is this all about? I wondered. I know that this vindictive streak
>brings short-lived pleasure at best. Then when the titillation wears off,
>I'm left with the havoc I helped create. Deep down, I know this is not
>the behavior I want to promote in my life.
Acceptance is one thing, expression another. What is important is outlets.
For instance to use your bitchy skills (for your satisfaction) on a
transformative forum where people are vulnerable is only valid if you are
independent of the personal satisfaction. It is innapropriate unless you can
be objective. In other words you might express and utilise and
be objective (of the good your response can do) - all in one . . .
>Today I realized something very important. Sometimes when we start
>getting "spiritual," we deny or try to fight our human flaws. That's what
>I've tried to do for many years. Ironically, the bitch is also a critical
>part of my spiritual development. If I deny the shadow I possess, I'm
>stuck in conflict. The pattern of suppressing these "negative" qualities
>perpetuates struggle, self-criticism and control. By allowing myself to
>express who I am, I have started to find freedom and peace. I find myself
>beginning to release from the spinning suppression cycle.
You funny thing.
Struggle is the means of growth.
Self criticism is the means of growth.
Control (of ourself) is the means of growth.
You have the skills required - just need redirecting a little . . .
>I don't have to be so hard on myself. I can be a bitch if I choose.
>Holding back the energy robs me of my personal power. I need to embrace
>the bitch. Let her out to razz worthy people. I'm guessing that the more
>I allow the bitch to be free, the happier she'll become. When I embrace
>the bitch, I welcome integration of myself.
Be careful sometimes we exercise rather than exorcise. Certainly go razz but
be aware that you are still involved in a process of integration and
development. Acceptance is important. Flaws are the way to our core. Ask
yourself 'what does the bitch want?' How else can this be achieved. Give her
what she wants but ensure she knows her role - YOU - the real you is far
stronger in partnership. You have befriended her, she is your friend and
will work for you in the search for truth.
>Don't know if anyone else can relate to this. Seemed so profound to me
>today that I just had to share.
>
>Nancy
>The Bitch of All Creation
Good stuff. Real stuff. It is profound. Perhaps you could grow a claw or two
for 'attacking' people who say 'It's OK to be a bitch!' :-D
Sure it is. Everything can serve.
Be Well
Lobster Bitch
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:28:26 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: "Sérgio Luiz Gomes (by way of Mystress Angelique Serp
ent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>)" <formato1ATnospaminetminas.estaminas.com.br>
Cc: "K. list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: the awakening of kundalini
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Ronald wrote:
i like to receive more information about the awakening of kundalini
For a starter, you can read the htm files: ojas & chaste on:
http://206.13.45.1/~jiva/
For a healthy individual, reading and consequent application should do.
Jan
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:28:54 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: "Chuck O'Connell" <ChuckOConnellATnospamcompuserve.com>
Cc: "K. list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Anybody have experience with Raja-Yoga?
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Hi Chuck,
> You wrote:
> What does 'manifold' mean in the context you used it? Does it mean 'more
> than one voice at a time' or 'the single voices of several speakers' or
> both?
Jan;
Both are possible. Sometimes I heard several voices and each one was saying
something different. At other times, only one voice at a time was heard.
Chuck:
> "Faith in God and the seekers master removes every
> obstacle" ? < I take this one is it - I don't know what could be Gods
> master...
Jan;
You are quite right. I didn't change the quote, although it is a bit
unclear. As far as the astral, visions and other phenomena are concerned,
you will get a fair share, as it is part of the process. It is even
unavoidable and part III of the sutras is dealing with it. Many of the
siddhis are valid for the astral only (like III, 45, the eight chief
siddhis).
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:15:19 -0500
From: flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Chakras
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> Subject: Re: Chakra Position
> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:32:33 -0400
"Cathy Berger" <Cathy_BergerATnospamprodigy.net>
you said:
> According to my higher self, my chakras are located along the spine.
> That is also where I get the strongest sense of them, but clearly
> their effect is on the whole body.
>
>Dear one,
The chakras are fields of energy. Any point in the body where joints or
blood vessals come together are chakras.. There are thousands of
Chakras.. The major ones are located within the endocrine system..
and if you give the definations the Western thought process
Base Chakra.. Tail Bone/lower gentilia
Emotional Chakra - reproductive system
Solar Plexus - Adrenal Glands (fight or flight)
Heart.. Heart and Thymus
Throat - Thyroid and HyperThyroid
Third Eye.. Pituatary
Crown - Pineal and Pituatary
So you see what happened is that intuitively, 5000 BC the ancients were
able to identify the organs and endocrine system in the body. Only
because of their thinking process they identified it spirituality.
and Western mind is cause and effect so they have to identify it from
their viewpoint.. The entire person is a Mind, Body, Spirit not just one
aspect alone but all together blending and swirling in a harmony. This
harmony is recognized within the kundaline rising situation.. where you
becaome a unity with all you are and with all of the Universe.. humm
I think its also called bliss when you reach this stage.. "good stuff
bliss" giggling,
flute
Reiki Master Teacher,
Empathic Healer
Mystic
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:00:51 -0500
From: Kathy <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: the crone
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Since the K-fire has been burning very hot and humid in me the past several days (my husband has awakened me and told me I was burning up even more so than usual...I was also wringing wet from night sweats that occur when I have very vivid dreams, like the crone dream) I was wondering what the crone's (or should that be* Crone*'s)presence in these dreams and my K-activity could mean. I know the Crone as one aspect of Goddess...
...but I'm not getting the message...or am I?...aren't dreams almost always messages from Goddess/God? Seems to me that is the case (or maybe just a little too much spicy food before bedtime as was thought long ago)
...duh...?
Lessee...the energy came from below me...the Crone was in a clear container between a living room and a kitchen...the house and rooms representing my body and the feminine cyclical energy, the veiled area and button on the wall being...what?...my sexual organs?...why is my personal Crone boxed up this way? She was moving with energy herself, obviously Kundalini energy...
btw, I never dream (or perhaps never remember I have dreamed) of snakes. One dream of a large (sea) serpent ( a few years ago ) moving beneath a harbour town...and a group of people (my husband, two sisters and myself) performing a pagan ceremony to raise this serpent and during this ceremony my being labeled as *evil* even though I was the symbolic representation of this serpent energy in the ceremony, and townspeople trying to attack me, setting off a rumbling earthquake that threatened to destroy the entire town...
I swear that in a past life I was persecuted for my beliefs or "bizarre behavior"!!! Perceived "witch hunting" just always instantly pushes my hot buttons..(hmm...in the dream above I am pushing my very own large "hot button")
Maybe the veil is also the separation between conscious awareness of what is going on and the actual "stuff"...
Perhaps breaking through the clear case and embracing the Crone is a way to tear through the veil!
The french kiss Orea and amckeon mention is possibly the closest thing to mother nurture...the kiss according to some is evolved from feeding, where the parents would pass food from themselves to the child...and as such it is an act of love...(btw, I've always had problems with "sharing spit" even with my mate!...hmm)
...so the Crone/Grandmother/Archetypal mother is passing love energy to you maybe?
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:23:26 -0500
From: "Arti Singh" <ASINGH1ATnospamwpo.it.luc.edu>
To: 930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe, hc19436ATnospamautovia.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: Life as meditation (wasRE: Anybody have experience with
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Hi, my name is Arti Singh and I am new to the K. list. I haven't read much on Pantajali or his yoga sustras and have no idea in what context the quote was taken "Faith in God and his master removes every obstacle". But as I was reading it occured to me that maybe master meant guru, the person's guru. So with this understanding I think it makes more sense"Faith in God and his(the person who is being told this quote, maybe?) guru, removes all obstacles. Well anyway, a little about myself. I came upon the list unknowingly one day. I had learned about k. by reading Swami Vivekananda's Raja Yoga, my guru to be in India. It's interesting reading the comments and the topic discussed in this list. Especially the one on the definition of avatar. It disturbed me! Let me explain. I have only knowledge of K but have had no experience of it yet. But I can't imagine for you fortunate people out there who have experinced it would choose to spend your time arguing over a word. I think that if I ever come upon experinces as profound, as the ones I have read, I won't waste as thought and energy, as I have seen, on such worldly worldly discussions that won't settle anything. I believe that man can only do two kinds of work in this world one of God and one of maya. I didn't mean to offend anyone and if I did, I apologize, for that was not my intent. I was wondering I some of you can send me information on regulated meditation practices that have helped you awaken your K. If this won't be of too much trouble, any help will be appreciated. Parnam, Arti Singh
<<< "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> 6/18 5:30p >>>
Hi Roberto,
You wrote: > Jan, I don´t understand this quite right. God and his master. When you say > master, what are you refering to?
I am not surprised that you are surprised by the quote: "Faith in God and his master removes every obstacle". The first print of the version of the Patanjali Sutras I am using appeared in 1938. At that time, a realized yogi was no rarity and neither was a fully liberated one. So then, the quote was valid, as a master meant Self-realization or liberation. Now, I am not sure of anything. Perhaps Ramana Maharishi was fully liberated in the sense of the Patanjali sutras. But in any case, Ramana Maharishi is a master in the sense Purohit Swami meant with the quote. No doubt his own master, Bhagwan Shree Hamsa, to whom the book is dedicated, fits the description too.
The comment is about (I, 22): Success varies according to whether the effort is mild, moderate or intense.
The entire commentary: The degree of intensity with which the yogi makes his effort gives him immediate or remote success. Unless his past karma intervenes, success generally is immediate. If, however, the yogi is sincere, if his effort is intense, the grace of God or of the master intervenes, and the past karma is either condoned or postponed. Faith in God and his master removes all obstacles.
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:56:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: takeuchiATnospamcgl.ucsf.EDU
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: chakra position
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Hello,
Chakras are not two dimensional circles or one dimensional points.
They fill space. Where you feel intensity will depend upon how
your chakras are filling space.
Chakras are representations of generalities. They can mix and
manifest in different ways too (e.g. my root+ my gonad may manifest
in between).
The reason why they are useful is because if you say root, then
we can have a way of describing the experience to others.
Of course my root and your root may be different, in which
case we will have to further describe our experience to relate
it to each other...
Toshi
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:02:35 -0500
From: Balaji_RadhakrishnanATnospamem.fcnbd.com
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Blessed self
Sorry for this off topic.
I was told that anyone can use the MIT usenet information. something
like alt.meditation. Can anyone please provide me the mail address and
information in this regard.
Thanx in advance.
Be blessed by the divine
Radhakrishnan
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:50:33 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: Arti Singh <ASINGH1ATnospamwpo.it.luc.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Life as meditation (wasRE: Anybody have experience with
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Welcome, Arti! Nice to have you join us.
Blessings,
Orea
Date: 19 Jun 98 17:39:38 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: the crone
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> ...but I'm not getting the message...or am I?...aren't dreams almost
> always messages from Goddess/God? Seems to me that is the case (or
> maybe just a little too much spicy food before bedtime as was
> thoughtlong ago)
Kathy,
I've been looking at my own dreams for a very long time now. I have
had thousands of the things and that is no exaggeration. These days,
this morning being a case in point, I find that I dream what is
essentially my current psychic state, and this VERY often corresponds
to the present zodiac situation. Sometimes I dream precicely what my
horoscope for the day is. The dream is kind of an expression on a very
subtle level of a `mood', and usually I find this mood sticks. If the
dream is changing moods I find I change moods during the day, and
often I have to wait till later in the day to see later parts
unfolding. This morning I had a very indulgent dream and I have felt
naturally indulgent today. Quite a happy dream actually, as is
becoming more regular lately.
I think it is possible to get dreams that are sort of messages from
other entities, kundalini, goddess, higher self, spirit guides,
whatever. Often when Jupiter is visiting my sign or is in some
astrological way associated with my in a powerful fashion, I will meet
a quite large and wise man with big hands who will often bring
reassurance and being. This morning I was crossing a wooden bridge
with a woman friend (whom I do not know in `physical life'), who
seemed to be a guide. I wanted to know if there was a shortcut and
wether it was safe, and I was told it was not so I stuck to the
straight bridge that had been constructed for the purpose. I had some
shopping.
I suppose it depends on you, some people don't remember many dreams at
all. Having such sensitive memory I have no problem recalling many
dreams each day with fine detail. Maybe you are getting messages from
the universe, your state of being, which you interpret as coming from
specific identities such as the crone and so on.
> btw, I never dream (or perhaps never remember I have dreamed) of
> snakes.
I have had some snake dreams. Once I found a bright green friendly
snake behind my bedroom door that was broken into pieces. I put the
peices back together and it came back to life.
Other times I've been in a field with lots of adders (as that is the
local snake-type here), and have had to dance in amongst them trying
not to be bitten.
My mum is absolutely terrified of snakes.
> One dream of a large (sea) serpent ( a few years ago )
>moving beneath a harbour town...and a group of people (my husband,
>two sisters and myself) performing a pagan ceremony to raise this
>serpent and during this ceremony my being labeled as *evil* even
>though I was the symbolic representation of this serpent energy in
>the ceremony, and townspeople trying to attack me, setting off a
>rumbling earthquake that threatened to destroy the entire town...
Everything in every dream is you, parts of you, attitudes you have
towards you. I have a theory. This may be true...
As a clear mind we have no method by which we can interact with the
world. We have to use our own minds, our own substance, to create and
bring forth interpretative tools - images, attitudes, attatchments,
thoughts, imagination, likes and dislikes, etc. We have to cut parts
of ourself off in order to map that part onto the world and to treat
it in such a way. Otherwise it would not be possible. So if I see a
`bad guy' and I have an opinion of him, an interpretation, I have cut
part of myself off and have formed it into an unpleasing image and now
act to reject it. It can appear so real, as it is a psychological
reality, that it is the person, seperate, who is evil. But to see such
a thing, to have that interpretation without a clear mind, requires
seperation within yourself.
I had a dream about this once, it was quite revealing. I sat in my
bedroom, a gentle summer light formed shadows accross the floor. In
front of me was a chest of drawers with three mirrors. I looked and in
each of the mirrors were different parts of my universe. In one mirror
was a flat image of me, quite flat and cold and motionless. I took
this to be all the things in the world that I look at in that way. In
another mirror was a slightly livelier me but which I didn't like the
look of very much, and I took this to be all the people and things in
the world that I felt that way about. And in the third mirror was a
very excited me, lively and attentive, which I viewed as all the
people and things in the world that looked this way to me. But the
thing was, in the dream I realised that these weren't merely `out
there' in the world, they weren't seperate things, seperate
appearances. They were actually me, like lost limbs, parts that I
needed to be whole. And regardless of how convincing it can be that
you are not the thing you have an attitude about, you ARE the attitude
adn that is the only thing you truly have an attitude about anyway.
You simply cannot touch reality that way. So you have to look about,
gather up all the things you have attitudes about, and look at those
attitudes to reclaim the fragments of yourself that you have broken
off and abused. That's my way of looking at it anyway.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:13:33 -0400
From: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
To: "Biharilal Shah" <kunastroATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: "Kundalini list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Ezekiel's Wheels
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>>In Indian Mythology, Brahma , who is creator of universe, is with
four
>faces.
>Chakra, which is a rotating type of weapon, is of wheel form and is
>responsible for protecting good and destroying bad.
>
>All galaxies are just like big wheels rotating and they also rotate
in
>circular way--- wheels in wheels.
>
>Different mythologies are products of different minds and cultures.,
but
>there is common thread of universal mind and so we find
similarities.
>
>Biharilal.
Well said! Thanks for sharing this info. Sometimes I think we are
putting together a puzzle, of which we all have only a few of the
pieces.
Cathy
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:46:57 -0400
From: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
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Subject: Re: Chakras
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Dear Flute,
Thanks for your info, and interest in the chakra discussion.
Here is how I base my perspective on all this:
As a young woman from Bavaria, I was given a vision of what I now
call "the chakras", as lighted centers of different colors along what
I had to interpret was a spine. Some of the lights continued up off
the top of the spine and appeared to be in the throat and head. This
entire concept was a shock to me. I could not understand how my
physical body could have anything to do with spirituality. However,
the vision was in direct response to my request for help with
establishing a good connection to my soul/higher self. So, I
practiced concentrating on each light, from the base up, proceeding
to the next light after I could feel intense energy and visualize the
light shining brightly. This helped me reconnect more easily to what
I thought of as my higher self. Eventually, after months of
practice, the side-effect of some sort of astral projection would
occur. Most of the time, my astral form merely stood by my physical
body and continued meditation. After a while, I learned to think
simultaneous to the meditative, pointed focus, state. I calculated
that I was perhaps not dependent upon my physical body. Since I was
suffering from depression which was relieved only by these
"meditations", I formulated a plan. In this astral state, I visited
my husband while he sat drinking at a bar and conversing. He did not
know his spirit was communicating with me, and that his spirit had
agreed to murder my physical body. I then returned to the body and
waited (outside of it). I remember the "murder" clearly, but will
not go into details here. Upon the point of death, I heard a loud
noise and heard as well as saw a cord speedily recoiling itself into
my astral form. I had never noticed this cord before. I knew then I
was dead. Two humanoid creatures, looking neither male nor female,
came through the walls to escort me away; they said nothing. I was
relieved to know my bet had paid off. However, I asked them to wait
until "the scene was finished". When properly satisfied of my
husband's remorse, I left. I then almost immediately found myself
with these two creatures on one of the astral planes.
I could go on, but I'll save that for another discussion. Of course,
I now know that I was only destined to return until I learn whatever
it is I need to learn from this physical existence. For here I am
again. Recently, I have read up on the subject of kundalini, fearing
that I may have forgotten some important detail from my last life.
However, I really only learned the popular names and drawings
associated with these chakras. I still use my old method of
activating them, when desired. I no longer really need to practice
their activation regularly in the same manner.
I thank you for your information. Also, in answer to your other
question to Cathy Berger (my alter ego), I don't have a clue what my
Prodigy nickname is. I haven't used chat for quite a while, due to
the vulgarity and simple mindedness in many of the chat rooms.
Cathy
-----Original Message-----
From: flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Date: Friday, June 19, 1998 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: Chakras
>> Subject: Re: Chakra Position
>> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:32:33 -0400
> "Cathy Berger" <Cathy_BergerATnospamprodigy.net>
>
>you said:
>> According to my higher self, my chakras are located along the
spine.
>> That is also where I get the strongest sense of them, but clearly
>> their effect is on the whole body.
>>
>>Dear one,
>The chakras are fields of energy. Any point in the body where joints
or
>blood vessals come together are chakras.. There are thousands of
>Chakras.. The major ones are located within the endocrine system..
>and if you give the definations the Western thought process
>Base Chakra.. Tail Bone/lower gentilia
>Emotional Chakra - reproductive system
>Solar Plexus - Adrenal Glands (fight or flight)
>Heart.. Heart and Thymus
>Throat - Thyroid and HyperThyroid
>Third Eye.. Pituatary
>Crown - Pineal and Pituatary
>So you see what happened is that intuitively, 5000 BC the ancients
were
>able to identify the organs and endocrine system in the body. Only
>because of their thinking process they identified it spirituality.
>and Western mind is cause and effect so they have to identify it
from
>their viewpoint.. The entire person is a Mind, Body, Spirit not just
one
>aspect alone but all together blending and swirling in a harmony.
This
>harmony is recognized within the kundaline rising situation.. where
you
>becaome a unity with all you are and with all of the Universe.. humm
>I think its also called bliss when you reach this stage.. "good
stuff
>bliss" giggling,
>flute
>Reiki Master Teacher,
>Empathic Healer
>Mystic
>
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 15:05:34 EDT
From: Matthew Bastress <mattbATnospamchrysalis.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Chakra Position
Message-Id: <199806191905.PAA22665ATnospamlevi.chrysalis.com>
Hi Paul,
You wrote:
>Do you know about what the shadow is? I mean, in terms of Jung's
>psychology and so on? I'm not saying you have to or that you don't.
>Just wondering. I read that it is kind of our repressed self. Does
>that ring true with what it means for you?
Me and my shadow get along like lovers sometimes, often getting the
sex mixed up too. It wasn't always like that--I used to feel like
I was being raped. I had a dream I was raped by a huge male tiger a
few weeks back.
It's like this. Heretofore unchecked masculine sexual energy enters
monastery and meets great guru. The concept of good vs. evil is born,
and the thought "I am evil". Prostate gland develops awareness of
self and fights back. Guilt, terror, horror, mental suicide (hourly).
Enter Goddess, by whose grace the endless attempts to self-destruct
have been transformed into a love affair within one being. The feminine
erotic soul has awakened and I find I am pregnant with myself.
And the male ego is like a golden mango before the monsoon. Precious,
but easily digested. (Yeah, ok, today's a good day.)
Matt
Goddess in His Element
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