1998/06/18 10:34
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #463
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 463
Today's Topics:
Anybody have experience with Raja-Yo [ "Chuck O'Connell" <ChuckOConnellATnospamco ]
Spiritual Heart - Sahasarara - Sai B [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: hello, and something that happen [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
sunshine [ freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com> ]
RE: Anybody have experience with Raj [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
RE: Unsubscrbe [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
the crone [ melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu ]
Chakra Position [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
RE: Anybody have experience with Raj [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ]
Re: Chakra Position [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: Anybody have experience with Raj [ freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com> ]
lookin' back [ freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com> ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Anita Burkhart <lunaATnospampenn.com> ]
Re: night terrors i think? [ antares <antaresATnospamneuron.net> ]
RE: Chakra Position [ "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <93035 ]
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:14:47 -0400
From: "Chuck O'Connell" <ChuckOConnellATnospamcompuserve.com>
To: k-list <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Anybody have experience with Raja-Yoga?
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Hi,
My name is Chuck. I've been on this list for about 3 weeks. What I've
seen here surprises me.
I expected to find more information on 'how to' raise kundalini. It seems
most of you are experiencing
random occurances rather than directed ones. Is this the norm? Do most
of you do any meditation
or yoga?
I've read Vivekananda's 'Raja Yoga' (His translation and explanation of
Patanjali). It is wonderfully
direct and concise. Both Patanjali and Vivekananda do a great job of
cutting out the 'klap-trap' that others
use to describe Raja Yoga. Many authors use so much imagery that the
neophyte (me) can't see the
trees (main ideas) because of the forest (irrelevant/extraneous confusing
information). I strongly
recommend this book to anyone.
My understanding of it is sufficient that I've begun to meditate every day
(twice when I can). I've found the following
things happening. I'm not sure if they are related to k, enlightenment.,
etc :
Soon after I started meditating (but not during meditation) I found myself
confronted by things from my past.
These are things that are my 'darkest' moments - I have had to face the
greatest failures of my life. Things I
thought I had dealth with and put to rest. They hit like hammers, and
really made me wonder about the value
of my life to date. (There are no crimes, just failures, educational,
relationships, etc.). I think have
dealt with these (again) and given them closure. I'm wondering if there
is some mechanism that is forcing
me to look at what I think I am, and then find out that it is wrong. **
Does this happen to others? Is it what I
should be expecting? I think it is and I would like confirmation from
someone who has been there. **
I've felt (while meditating) a 'rush' that seems to start about 6 inches
below my neck (in back, inside) that goes
up the back of my head (but inside) and goes to the top of my head, then
kind of fans out then flows(more slowly)
over the front of my face. The feeling lingers for a while and then fades.
I've had a couple of similar events while not meditating. I had the same
'rush'. Then I felt almost dizzy and
the world seemed different, not quite surreal, just different somehow.
One time I was in the kitchen. The electric
stove was on. I could feel the heat. I felt that I *really* could absorb
the radient heat energy and use it.
I have no idea how I could use it, I just felt sure that I could. I don't
know how to reconsile this - is it imagination?
is it real?, is it psychosis? Is it just my mind playing tricks with me?
As a catholic I had a *hard time* convincing myself that I'm not going to
be 'cast into hell' for doing this. One time
as I was meditating I was suddenly JOLTED out of it with the the very very
loud (but not shouting) words 'Not a Christian'.
This startled me to the point where I took a sharp breath in and jumped in
my chair. I don't know if it is my
subconsious my resisting this practice or if it was a warning. I've
resolved this issue this way. As I begin to
meditate I ask God to "Help me if I'm doing right, Forgive me if I'm doing
wrong, and please help me know
which way is right.".
One other side note: I noticed that this list was started by a 'Richard
Satin'. I didn't bother me, but I couldn't
help note how close 'Satin' is to 'Satan'. I also noted that 'Angelique
Serpent' also conjures up an image of
Lucifer (the fallen angel) as a serpent - 'the angelic serpent'. (I know,
I know - the kundalini serpent fire is what you
are getting at). It just seemed an odd coincidence.
I want to experience things that will let me know that enlightenment is a
real goal. But how can I tell what is real
and what is just a figment of my imagination - or just a meditation induced
euphoria (the 'rush' maybe?)
I will try to follow Patanjali's sutra's and hope to get a sign that is
concrete.
Any advise from people with experience ( bogus yogi's need not reply) is
greatly appreciated.
This is a new and strange road I am walking down. Already I feel more at
peace.
I don't believe this road is a blind alley. But I don't want to walk down
it forever if it is.
I know this is a long post. I'm generally quite terse instead. I just had
a lot to describe and ask.
Peace to all,
Chuck.
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:18:53 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: AfperryATnospamaol.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Spiritual Heart - Sahasarara - Sai Baba (Harsha)
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In a message dated 6/17/1998 9:29:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Afperry writes:
<< Dear Harsha,
You will recall our recent correspondence on the location of the spiritual
heart, in particular Ramana Maharshi's indication that it is to be found on
the right side of the chest. Well, you will be interested to hear that I have
just found corroboration of your/Ramana's statements from none other than Sai
Baba.
The May issue of 'Sanathana Sarathi', the monthly international Sai magazine
from Puttaparthi (pp.123-128), gives a translation of a discourse given by
Baba at Kodaikanal in April of this year under the title of 'Man, Truth, Love
and God'. He says: "God is in every human being residing in his spiritual
heart which is on the right side of the body while the physical heart is on
the left", and he repeats this assertion two other times, including: "The seat
of love is the spiritual heart on the right of the body". He does not mention
chakras in this context. >>
Dear Alan, Thank you for your kind note and the information about Sai Baba.
It brought me great joy and made me smile. God is indeed in every human being
in the Spiritual Heart as the Self, the very Core of Being. That the
Spiritual Heart is beyond all Kundalini Centers including Sahasarara is my
personal experience. It is experienced slightly to the right of the chest by
the mind before it merges in THAT. It is Sat-Chit-Ananda, in which the Shakti
is absorbed and then Reveals It Self as the Self-Existent and Self-sustaining
and Complete Principle which underlies all experiences in all planes of
existence. For the sake of more complete information and my views, I am
giving below a part of a conversation with Kurt a few months ago in which I
went into some detail about my experience. I made minor editorial changes in
it for clarity. Thanks again Dear Alan for your note. I am glad there is
support from Sai Baba's on this topic. God bless everyone with peace and joy.
In a message dated 98-02-08 22:27:17 EST, keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu writes:
<< Harsha has periodically spoken of
kundalini going beyond the sahasrara to the heart. I have not had the
experience. In my limited experience once kundalini has penetrated the
crown there is nothing to move and nowhere to go. This viewpoint is echoed
in the literature of the Natha yogins. But this is just my experience.
Harsha writes: This is true. Yoga Shastras declare that Sahasarara is the
final resting place of the Shakti and that, that is where Nirvikalpa Samadhi
takes place. Pursha Sukta declares the Heart (Hridayam) to be the Seat of the
Self. Ultimately one must rely on one's own experiences. It is my experience
that many different types of Samadhis can take place in the Sahasarara. And
some of them are extremely powerful and intense. One of the "NIrvikalpa
Samadhis" I had at the Sahasarara lasted the whole night, and was one of the
only Samadhis where I found it very very difficult to come out of. I don't
know how someone living in complete isolation can survive it as the desire to
come out quickly declines. In the morning I felt physically weak but noted the
effects of the Samadhi on my consciousness. In Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi (The
Samadhi through the Spiritual Heart), the Shakti first rises up to the
Sahasarara and one is in Samadhi. Then in a second step, the Shakti along with
the mind comes down from the brain center (in the front side of the body
through Amrita Nadi - which is a continuation of Sushumna) and merges in the
Spiritual Heart (Hridayam) at the right of the Chest. Here the breath stops
and the Self is Recognized by the Self. Pure and Simple.
Kurt writes: If I were to try to build a model from what I have read, been
taught and
experiences it is that true insight can come from any cakra. A Shaivite,
Swami Nityananda pointed out that the Self can be realized anywhere and has
no locality at the heart. Buddhists have taught me that the non-duality of
bliss and emptiness can be contemplated at any center.
>>
Now Harsha is really smiling: Yes. Beautiful. Absolutely! Self is always
Realized and has no locality anywhere. It can be recognized Anywhere at any
Center. Where are all the Centers? They exist in the Heart only. The Heart is
only another name for the Self. As long as we speak in relationship to the
body, the Heart or the Sahasarara have certain locations due to the experience
of the mind. When one is in the Self, then there is nothing else to be aware
of. Self Knows It Self without thought or doubt. Its nature is that of Being
Whole and Complete and in Total Freedom. It is Pure Joy and Eternal Existence.
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:26:25 -0500
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: hello, and something that happened
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>he's kinda cute in an immediate way and i dunno i start to notice he
>smells nice and has soft curly hair kinda happy against his neck
Thanks for the story. It was very evocative. The details make one feel as
if one is "there." And I can relate. I will sometimes walk close by someone
and catch a whiff of their scent... and inhale them as if they are fresh
baked chocolate chip cookies... I like the "happy against his neck" phrase,
too. It's one of the first things I noticed about my husband. Some people
are just delicious that way, aren't they?
>antaresATnospamneuron.net | what if the hokey pokey
> www.neuron.net/~antares | really is what it's all about?
I'm going to employ the above phrase sometime in some "miscellaneous
mayhem" opportunity. Like when someone is blathering on about some
self-important nonsense... I picture my boss having one of her "little
talks" with me about how dust-free computer screens are vital to achieving
world peace... I'll pause meaningfully and ask "What if the hokey
pokey...." and then laugh like a hyena.
amckeon
*putting her left foot in*
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:50:41 -0700
From: freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: sunshine
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felt sunshine on my face.....
It is 4 AM,
this is good, the fog has lifted,,,, by golly its lifted...
good to be back ~ thanks for your support !!
gonna go catch me rainbow before the sun comes up.... hehehee
love,
freda
http://www.nwlink.com/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:33:41 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: "K. list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>,
"Chuck O'Connell" <ChuckOConnellATnospamcompuserve.com>
Subject: RE: Anybody have experience with Raja-Yoga?
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Hi Chuck,
Welcome to the list.
You wrote:
> [...] I expected to find more information on 'how to' raise kundalini.
> It seems
> most of you are experiencing
> random occurances rather than directed ones. Is this the norm?
Jan:
The majority of kundalites experienced a spontaneous awakening, not always
random only occurrences.
Chuck:
> Do most
> of you do any meditation
> or yoga?
Jan:
I can only speak for myself. Quite some time ago, life became meditation for
me. Strictly speaking, there is no "doing meditation" anymore.
Chuck:
> I've read Vivekananda's 'Raja Yoga' (His translation and explanation of
> Patanjali). It is wonderfully
> direct and concise. Both Patanjali and Vivekananda do a great job of
> cutting out the 'klap-trap' that others
> use to describe Raja Yoga. [...]
Jan:
You are quite right. I used the Patanjali sutras (translation and
commentary) by Purohit Swami. The difference between realized yogis and
pundits is rather obvious. The pundits are using a lot of pomp whereas a
realized one translates / comments with one single objective:
Self-realization.
Chuck:
<snip>
> Soon after I started meditating (but not during meditation) I found myself
> confronted by things from my past.
> These are things that are my 'darkest' moments - I have had to face the
> greatest failures of my life. [...]
Jan:
This is K. related. In order for K. to function properly, all impurities
have to be removed and the karmic impurities are one of them.
Chuck:
I'm
> wondering if there
> is some mechanism that is forcing
> me to look at what I think I am, and then find out that it is wrong. **
> Does this happen to others? Is it what I
> should be expecting? I think it is and I would like confirmation from
> someone who has been there. **
Jan:
Again, I can only speak for myself. My conscience started to work the same
way and some things could be adjusted, others worked out. Yet there is no
such thing as a "roadmap to enlightenment" so expecting isn't good. What you
were experiencing is summarized in (II,11): "The grosser afflictions
disappear through meditation". As Self is One, anything done to "others"
means harming yourself. Only during our present life exists the possibility
to correct things.
Chuck:
<snip>
> I could feel the heat. I felt that I *really* could absorb
> the radient heat energy and use it.
> I have no idea how I could use it, I just felt sure that I could.
> I don't
> know how to reconsile this - is it imagination?
> is it real?, is it psychosis? Is it just my mind playing tricks
> with me?
Jan:
Your mind is playing tricks. Ignoring these things would be the best to do,
unless they can be used to focus concentration. It has everything to do with
the astral body and its powers. In the course of yoga, these things are an
encumbrance.
Chuck:
> As a catholic I had a *hard time* convincing myself that I'm not going to
> be 'cast into hell' for doing this. One time
> as I was meditating I was suddenly JOLTED out of it with the the very very
> loud (but not shouting) words 'Not a Christian'. [...]
Jan:
These voices can even be manifold, like the voices from one's forebears.
Success in yoga will mean the rupture of all karmic bonds and often this
won't happen unnoticed. The voice(s) will wear out in the course of time and
will be heard no more. Nothing to worry about. The biblical meaning of sin
is useless. There is only one sin, ignorance. It is the cause of all
afflictions, egoism included.
Chuck:
> I've
> resolved this issue this way. As I begin to
> meditate I ask God to "Help me if I'm doing right, Forgive me if
> I'm doing
> wrong, and please help me know
> which way is right.".
Jan:
"Faith in God and his master removes every obstacle". If nothing else goes,
this still works.
Chuck:
> One other side note: I noticed that this list was started by a 'Richard
> Satin'. I didn't bother me, but I couldn't
> help note how close 'Satin' is to 'Satan'. I also noted that 'Angelique
> Serpent' also conjures up an image of
> Lucifer (the fallen angel) as a serpent - 'the angelic serpent'. (I know,
> I know - the kundalini serpent fire is what you
> are getting at). It just seemed an odd coincidence.
Jan:
Enhanced power of association is one of the effects of K. If one gets
involved, it could lead to psychosis. The best remedy is to observe the mind
and its thoughts, not interfering / getting involved in any way. Or
reflection on one subject to the exclusion of everything else. Eventually do
mantra. Lucifer means "bringer of light", the light of Self-consciousness.
Chuck:
> I want to experience things that will let me know that enlightenment is a
> real goal. But how can I tell what is real
> and what is just a figment of my imagination - or just a
> meditation induced
> euphoria (the 'rush' maybe?)
Jan:
Enlightenment is most real. But it is not an object of perception, nor can
it be grasped by the mind. So don't think about it - that would be a waste
of time.
Chuck:
> [...] Any advise from people with experience ( bogus yogi's need not
reply) is
> greatly appreciated.[...]
Jan:
Do you have a definition of what is "bogus yogi"? Clearing karma and
labeling others doesn't mix well. What appears as "bogus yogi" for you could
be a good teacher for someone else...
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:33:36 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: "K. list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>,
"Angela Mary Broad" <ambroadATnospamacs.ucalgary.ca>
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Angela wrote:
<snip>
>As if immatating the masters will bring
> enlightenment and mabye it will, but perhaps having no ego is a result of
> being connected, not the cause?
Jan:
Imitating masters will not bring any result; on the contrary, the wish to
imitate has its source in ego. Also, practicing virtues in itself won't
bring much. The classical approach, practice of brahmacarya and ahimsa or
yama and niyama will bring about "crushing of ego" and what others call
virtues. It would be better though, to call it transformation of ego. This
is a better description of what actually will be taking place and seeing it
this way will take the "root" out of the pangs and pains the process at
times can cause.
Angela:
>[...]aren't the most beautifull intricite songs made by
> the muscican who cares more about the music and practicing then the image
> it brings...
Jan:
This condition is usually fulfilled in a practitioner of yoga who is a
musician. Thus, music becomes a way of trying to express the inexpressible.
Angela:
>[...]it's the same with
> celebecy...once you are one with your twin-self and/or life/love and
> however that works...then mabye you get your love from the direct source
> and don't need it physically...
Jan:
One firm dip in divine love is more than an antidote against physical love:
the craving for it will stop forever as divine love is of a very different
nature. Until that happens, there is no other choice than practice yoga /
meditation / devotion etc.
Angela:
>[...]self love is a
> little human derivitive of divine love...it's part of the same thing
> anyways...so why seek to change it at all?
Jan:
Both charcoal and diamond are made of the same material, carbon. Yet the
difference is rather obvious and so is one's preference, if one has a
choice. Likewise, one can say that neither don Juan nor Casanova were great
yogis and they were not particularly happy. In this era, monogamous animals
like swans could be taken as an example for better human relations. Someone
who really knew the difference is Ignatius of Loyola, the founder of the
order of Jesuits. When Buddhism flourished, many householders attained
"nirvana with substratum remaining" so there is no such thing as mutual
exclusivity, but more like growth or transformation.
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:14:44 -0400
From: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: the crone
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Orea wrote:
This one was odd, too. I was dreaming something entirely unrelated when
it was interrupted by voices in mid-conversation. It was as though the
switch on a CB radio had been flipped, these voices blared forth
completly interrupting my dream to the point that I nearly woke up.
"Yes, you may visit her but only briefly because..." I never heard the
rest of his sentence because instantly I saw the face of an ugly old
gypsy like woman with a scarf around her head and crisscrossing wires
across the front of her mouth where her front teeth should have been.
At the same moment ZAP! this amazing energy surged through me. It only
lasted about a second, but it was enough to leave me certain the "man in
charge" was about to say "because she can't handle your level of energy
for very long." I was wide awake for hours, and I will never forget
her.
Whenever I get one of these announcements in the middle of a dream I know
it is an important message from my unconcious/the other side or whatever
you want to call it. Same thing whenever I get a phone call in a dream --
its direct communication, if you can remember it. I've known if I got a job
or not before I was told, this way.
The Crone came to me in the form of my Grandmother after she died. I
dreamed she hugged me. She was incredibly strong and her body was cold.
Then she French kissed me. It was a very disturbing dream to say the least!
--Signalfire
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:29:15 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: "Kundalini list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Chakra Position
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Greetings.
I've noticed that a lot of Chakraic systems position the Energy Centers in
alignment with the spine. I've noticed that some Chakrais systems position
the Energy Centers in relationship to physical organs.
I experience the Chakras as central in relationship to my torso.
For instance, rather than the First Chakra being at the base of my spine,
or my sex organs, it is centered between spine and sex.
I AM
Avatar Thyer
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:26:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: Anybody have experience with Raja-Yoga?
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Hi Chuck. Jan's answer to you was excellent, but I want to underscore
the miracle, and sometimes misery, of what he called karma cleansing.
Being scoured by this psychological roto-rooter can be pretty
overwhelming sometimes, even if you've already spent a gazillion hours
in therapy, like I have, on both sides of the couch. But as near as I
can tell, the upshot is a feeling of being more transparent, not as
unpleasantly self-absorbed, more free -- and therefore a sturdier
vessel for divine Grace. It becomes far easier to give my body and
mind over to Something Else. This is an indescribable relief and
always seems worth the time spent face to face with matters I'd rather
not look at or feel. When I imagine that God is pushing this stuff up
from the inside for It's own purpose, the dark times seem as important
as the light. And I can see that I've become more kind. Holly
Date: 18 Jun 98 15:20:42 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Chakra Position
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> For instance, rather than the First Chakra being at the base of my spine,
> or my sex organs, it is centered between spine and sex.
Avatar Thyroid,
I don't think it really matters one iota where chakra's are or what
they are. They're just there, leave them alone.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:00:26 -0700
From: freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com>
To: "Chuck O'Connell" <ChuckOConnellATnospamcompuserve.com>
CC: k-list <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Anybody have experience with Raja-Yoga?
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Hey chuck,
welcome,
thanks for the chuckle, (its gonna be a chuckle kinda day for me, dont
take offense, not laughing at you... kindda *with* you... :)
you wrote:
<snip>
> My understanding of it is sufficient that I've begun to meditate every day
> (twice when I can). I've found the following
> things happening. I'm not sure if they are related to k, enlightenment.,
> etc :
when I read that.. this little diddy came to mind...
Civilized people memorize; uncouth people experience.
- Ramtha
(... it really is funny.. : ) really.
freda,
BeIsAm ...
http://www.nwlink.com/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
(my little home on the web)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:29:59 -0700
From: freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: lookin' back
Message-ID: <35894087.4466ATnospamnwlink.com>
Hi list,
I'm sitting here injoyin' some peace of mind... or at least I was...
then I started thinking about "the process"... this thing, IT.....
looking back,,, I see just where I inadvertanly did ask for IT this time
around,,, and I wonder, what the hell was I thinkin'?
... any one else find this to be so.... if ya can ask the question, you
already KNow the answer...
how many times, I wonder, does that stick gotta whack me?
where's those post-its when ya need em'?
freda
BeIsAm ...
http://www.nwlink.com/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
(my little home on the web)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 06:58:09 -1000 (HST)
From: Anita Burkhart <lunaATnospampenn.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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I would like to talk to someone about a dream I had last year. A third eye had grown on my cheek. As it opened, I was a little afraid.
Why would it be on my cheek? What about the fear?
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:58:46 -0400
From: antares <antaresATnospamneuron.net>
To: zkaplanATnospamnycap.rr.com
Cc: caroline wilson <myspecial1ATnospamyahoo.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
lobakolaATnospamcsr.net
Subject: Re: night terrors i think?
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> hi im new to this list-i am definatly interested in dreams and sleeping-for
> as long as i can remember i have had night terrors and weird
> sleeping-sleepwalking-running episodes- it really freaks people out around
me and my little brother both suffer night terrors. i get them a couple
times a year. the last one was freaky b/c i dreamed that my ex came into
my house while i was sleeping, carrying a little boy who had slit his
wrists and was spraying blood everywhere. this was layered on top of my
actual room, i've written about the experience in more detail and if
you're interested i can forward it to you. anyhow, what made it different
than any other night terror i've had was that whether i was picking up
information in my subconscious and processing it in the dream, or
something more phenomenological happened. within a week someone i love
very very deeply dissapeared, left town to attempt suicide somewhere far
from those he loved so they would not have to deal with it. i saw him the
night before he left and every alarm in me was screaming, but i was too
scared to reach out, at the time my feelings for this person were more
than i knew how to handle. since then i've had a hideous drive to make
sure everything is said, no secrets, i slap myself internally if i simply
find myself saying "fine" rather than *everything* when someone casually
says, how ya doin? the reaction is extreme. :)
things like this, and the thing i posted about a couple of days ago happen
very very infrequently for me, just enough to shake my skepticism, my
drive to analyse everything into an atheistic sort of science. zen has
been the discipline that's made the most sense for me, which immediately
makes me suspicious of how i'm processing it, so i want to defocus, see if
i can integrate another discipline, there's a word for this i'm not sure
of, palimpsets or something. :) i think the draw to stay in touch woth
more than one body of understanding comes from a fear i will analyse
myself into oblivion, bypassing actual awareness of the void. if that
makes any sense. :)
ok, *and*, kundalini i dunno, has a draw to it i cannot explain. a friend
of mine who studies all kinds of stuff like this sat me down to give me a
feel for the variations in flavour between mahayana whathaveyou, tao, zen,
theres a bunch of veins of buddhism, i was amazed with the variety!
anyhow, kundalini was the one that went *ding*.
whew, anyhow, i'm excited and babbling. :) hello, fellow night terror
endurer! :)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:23:40 -0600
From: "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe>
To: "Avatar Thyer" <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Chakra Position
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Hey Avatar!
I have felt the same. When I started in Kundalini and didn´t even know what
it was. It is just a name you know. The hindu name in this case, for
something that happens all over. The thing is I began reading all this
chackar position but felt, while meditating, or by spontanious rushes, I
experienced that those centers are at the middle. One feels then in the
spine because it is a very sensitive area on the body (full nervous system)
and it is pretty fantastic!
Roberto
Lima, Peru.
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