1998/06/12 16:48
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #454
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 454
Today's Topics:
RE: Simply Different or Greater/Less [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamaurum.com> ]
Re: Simply Different or Greater/Less [ DruoutATnospamaol.com ]
Who? What? Why? Where? [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Re: GREET'GS ETS [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: Autopost in kundalini-l-d Digest [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Re: Why would anyone... [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
Re: Autopost in kundalini-l-d Digest [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Re: Why would anyone... [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Continuity [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
RE: The 10 Billion Names Of God [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
Who is there (was RE: Why would anyo [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
IRC [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Reincarnation [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:04:11 -0400
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamaurum.com>
To: kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: Simply Different or Greater/Lesser
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> > > Definitely, there are some who seem to more
> > > fully manifest the attributes and power of
> > > God/divinity/etc than most others do.
> >
> > Yep.
>
> The power of who? What?
That expression was just my way of acknowledging that the views of and names
for God vary wildly on this list. My perspective is of the Biblical God,
Mystress' is Goddess, some have referred to Higher Intelligence, etc, etc.
But the characteristics I referred to (love, compassion, etc) are recognized
by pretty much all perspectives, so which name/view is "right" was
irrelevant to the specific point I was trying to make.
> There seems to me to be no difference between
> the idea of total mentality and a reduction in that
> total mentality or the transformation of it into an
> IQ score.
I was using "total mental ability" as a "container" for such elements as
logical reasoning, intuition, creativity, linguistic ability, pattern
recognition, memory, etc, rather than as a description of a specific type of
ability. In the same way, you could use "total spirituality" to refer to the
collection of love, compassion, humility, power, etc. The attempt to reduce
such a collection of varied traits to a single number or rating almost
inevitably obscures a lot of variation.
- Mike
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:09:11 EDT
From: DruoutATnospamaol.com
To: thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org, AfperryATnospamaol.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Simply Different or Greater/Lesser
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In a message dated 98-06-12 09:05:48 EDT, thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org writes:
<< But Spiritually, we are all one >>
Dear I Am
Just wanted to say I agree whole-heartedly with this.
Love, Hillary
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:23:40 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
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Subject: Who? What? Why? Where?
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Paul West wrote:
>Who is aware?
>Who is there experiencing?
>What is there to transcend?
Dear Goddess, in your infinite wisdom, did you see fit to clone Harsha?
Who is Paul? What is Paul? Who is the one who cares?
No, no...don't answer that.... Just kidding.
You Me Go Fly,
Sharon
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:45:39 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: GREET'GS ETS
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At 05:14 1998.06.12 -0700, Luxan wrote:
>
>Greet'gs hu-Man (our ET Brothers & Sisters in hu-Man Form),
>
>We Transmit Now....
<snip>
>We Leave U in t LIGHT & LOVE OF T ETERNAL INFINITE ONE.
>
>B 1 W/T LIGHT.
>
>luxan, Vohman, Anan, Alloran, Allanon - & ALL UR ET BROTHERS & SISTERS
I want Barbie back! :))))
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:25:13 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
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Anurag wrote:
Susan if you have true love towards god u can awaken it in few months.
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Joe:
Or you may be born with an awakening, or you can work and love God for
many lifetimes and it may not awaken. It is not a simple thing to
explain in everyday language. But it becomes easier to get a grasp on
when you realize that all of the yogas not just the asanas of Hatha
Yoga, but pranayama, Jana Yoga (the yoga of intellect), Bhakti Yoga (the
yoga of worship), and all the others were developed and taught to awaken
and guide Kundalini on her path. The reason there are so many is the
nature of each of us is different. For some loving God has been enough
to attain enlightenment. Others could follow that path a lifetime and
never see any progress.
Susan G. wrote:
>I would like to clarify the meaning of kundalini. I realize that this
one word is an expression. Here is how I preceive. The word expresses
that one has opened up to spiritual awareness and has begun to evolve
the soul. Also that one has become or starting to become enlightened to
a more power depth of feeling "love,joy, empathy", and that when the
Kundalini starts to open up one may feel alone,scared, and quite
emothional. Within the body one may feel weak in the legs, hear things,
feel levetated and dizzy. It is a very nice word in
and of itself and if I have the meaning correct, I have learned that
this is a long process and may take years. Please write back and
confirm or clarify the meaning (experence) for me. Thank-you :-)
>
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Joe:
Well, I think your being a bit loose with the language. Kundalini is
specifically an energy form that in the simplest terms defines ones
life. When Kundalini leaves the body you die. This is the reason why
many people who have had near death experiences have awakened Kundalini
when they did not before the experience. Kundalini was moving to leave
the body and the person was saved from death. Once Kundalini is awake
she may rest but she will be active when she wishes (or when the
yogi/yoginni convinces her to be) she will never return to the sleep
state as she knew it before the awakening.
When Kundalini is awake she will move about the body and cause changes,
possibly good, possibly bad depending on several things.
Much of what you describe is a result of Kundalini activity or Kundalini
process. But what you describe is not universal to everyone in all of
its parts. My personal complications have been mostly behavioral and
psychological. The bulk of physical difficulties were the results of
excesses due to those actions that resulted from those complications.
Difficulties are not necessary at all. If one intentionally awakens
Kundalini under the instruction of a sincere dedicated Kundalini Master
there should be no complications, I know of at least one case where this
has been true through Ajna Chakra and above.
In most people it will take years. It has been almost a decade since I
started working to improve my Kundalini process and I'm not enlightened
yet. I was born with an awakening, which is not that uncommon, the
ancient texts say that if a woman has an awakened Kundalini and becomes
pregnant, the child will be born with an awakened Kundalini.
I don't mean to be a pain with that "fast and loose" bit about the
meaning of words but they are the way we use to communicate ideas and
precision is important. Think of it as being the same as 2+2=4 being
precise and 2+2=5 being pretty close and probably OK in many peoples
eyes, but you really don't want the check lady totalling up you grocery
bill if she doesn't see the difference.
I've had too much difficulty with people who don't see a difference
between Kundalini and Prana (other types of energy in the body), using
the same word for Kundalini and Kundalini's activity makes for a very
difficult conversation. In theory the act and the doer are one but since
none of us are enlightened enough to see it that way lets distinguish
between the action and its cause.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:20:42 +0100
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Why would anyone...
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>At 02:34 PM 11/06/98 +0200, Magnus Zotterman wrote:
>>>>>
>I'm just wondering; Why would anyone want awaken their Kundalini? What are
>the benefits? I have only read about all the bad sides of Kundalini, like
>people having strange and frightening visions and pain all over the body.
>Please explain this to me someone!
Dear Magnus,
Certainly.
Well the benefits are . . . well . . . there are none.
In spiritual terms 'K' is completely and utterly irreverant and irrelevant.
Some people imagine all manner of things . . .
Keeps them out of lunatic asylums and gibbering in the streets so why not .
. .
Well it does sometimes anyway . . .
Now if you ask me why would people want to develop their spirituality that
is a different question. When Shakti or spiritual energy is understood in
terms of deepening awareness this has many benefits.
People think of K as the development of psychism, powers and ecstatic
experiences - the technical term for this is 'following a circus'. This is
how it is often described on this list and I am opposed to such a shallow
understanding, most of the experiences people describe are little more than
spiritual indigestion. They have 'eaten' something but are not sure whether
they should have swallowed or spat it out. However people are increasingly
describing 'k' in terms of the growth of the divine, growth of Spirit and
growth of Love. So really we are talking of the same thing in essence . . .
The development of genuine understanding occurs sometimes because of or
sometimes independently of the opening of chakras. The problem with K
activation is it always leads to egoic distortion unless the person has both
balance and humility. Most of us have far too little of these qualities.
So what are the benefits of spiritual development and how is this
implemented? The benefits are seen in those individuals who have focussed
their life on this inner aspect and developed the genuine, allowing spurious
phenomena to wither. Such people are generous, kind, unassuming, content,
courteous and a friend to others in ways they would not always comprehend,
providing for their real needs and not their tendencies towards triviality.
K in this sense is trivial. You will notice I have very few of these higher
characteristics being egotistical, inflated with self importance,
argumentative and confrontational and quite often trivial and largely
irrelevant (people wishing to remind me of how fine and humble I am can post
to the usual address). However I live in hope and have high aspirations that
I may one day develop some real qualities.
Now the virtuous qualities are developed through turning away from our
tendencies towards simple answers and banal techniques (many of which are
available on my web site) to real efforts. Efforts to observe who we are and
what we are like and to make genuine change in our various limitations of
behaviour and attitude. And when we do this we start to know ourself, to
develop wisdom and we start to understand both life and our possibilities
and place in things. We no longer have to live in an imiginary world where
we are 'k' activated, spiritual, divine and so on but quite ordinary - and
that is the greatest miracle of all. Realising you are a human being - very
special.
God Bless You All
The Very Wise and Humble Lobster
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:05:20 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
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Michelle Yeoman wrote:
Unfortunately at this time I feel that I am partially activated .It
seems that the coiled serpent is stuck between my solar plexus and my
heart chakra occasionally slipping up to the throat giving me a tongue
of fire that spits out a variety of religious doctrines combined with
new age spirituality.I feel like I`ve been mislead by an individual who
claims to have had kundalini experience.I need outside help because he
seems to have selfish motives involving sexual expectations.Sometimes I
have great miracles through his guidance and sometimes I fear he is
tricking me selfishly so I won`t relax and trust him or follow his
advice. I`ll go away in my life trip start dreaming of kundalini again
and then run back.A penticostal freind of mine warned me that "it is
the work of Satan" .I`m confused and afraid that I`m getting in too deep
and bad thingss will get worse if I focus on having full Kundalini.I
think the "Holy Ghost" of penticostalism and Kundalini are one and the
same fire but not enough to fully trust.Religious dogmas never used to
even enter my mind but I`m now frightened that this could send me into
an eternal nightmare. At the same time if Kundalini really is just an
evolutionary energy divinely ordained then may Darwin and the Messiah
unite.
Do you think hallucinogens could bring about an activation?
- ----------------------------
Michelle,
To start at the last question first: You better believe it! It is not a
good way to awaken/activate Kundalini but several things can start her
moving. LSD can do more than give good "trailers" and weird visions.
I am not a Kundalini Master but it sounds to me like you very well may
have an awakening through Susumna (a good thing) to 3rd chakra (solar
plexus) with a blockage. The "tongue of fire" can come from that. People
who are stuck in 3rd chakra can be very overpowering, they want to run
things. If that is the case and you are a 1 or an 8 on the Enneagram may
God have mercy on those around you.
If the individual with sexual expectations is as interested, certainly
more if he's more interested, in your pants than your process tell him
to kiss the backside of those pants as you walk out of the room and his
life. Others may disagree with me on this, but except in extremely rare
exceptions don't mix sex and Kundalini! An example of those "rare
exceptions" would be if it were someone you already had a long standing
relationship with trying to help you.
You may get some information about it being a tantric technique and how
it would help you. It would be an exaggeration to say a quadruple
amputee could count the sexual Tantric masters in the west on his
fingers but not by much. Also true Tantra is about much more than sex.
In truth a minority of the tantric techniques involve sex (it is just in
the west we are obsessed with sex so we overlook the rest).
The religious dogma may be a clue to a way to help yourself. Many people
who have a blockage at or just below heart benefit from Karma and/or
Bhakti yoga.
Karma is the yoga of action. Helping the poor, loving and caring for a
child, etc. are common examples of Karma yoga.
Bhakti yoga is the worship of one's chosen deity. That is not the same
as putting down someone else's beliefs. Following these yogas at that
point, even if the individual's personality calls for a different
approach in general, can bring good results. For Christians not just
worship services but private worship and prayer and contemplation on
God/Jesus can be a big help. As you might suspect the doing that prayer
and worship on the baby Jesus can fix it for some people (mostly women)
in a heart beat.
As to your friend who thinks "it is the work of Satan": I grew up in
that sort of church. Hell, women wearing pants to church was "the work
of Satan" when I was growing up. People put the worst possible
interpretation on what they don't understand. The Bible never once says,
"Kundalini is not real" or "Kundalini is the work of Satan" it never
mentions it at all. It never mentions atoms either but we know they are
real and not the work of the devil (if two "H"s didn't bond with one "O"
we'd all be really thirsty).
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:30:47 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Why would anyone...
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At 10:51 1998.06.12 -0700, Angelique wrote:
>At 02:34 PM 11/06/98 +0200, Magnus Zotterman wrote:
>>>>>
>>Hi!
>>I'm just wondering; Why would anyone want awaken their Kundalini? What
>>are the benefits? I have only read about all the bad sides of Kundalini,
>>like people having strange and frightening visions and pain all over the
>>body. Please explain this to me someone!
>>
>>Thanks for any answers
>>Magnus Zotterman
>>
>>
><<<<
>
>Well, Marcus. folks don't talk about the good stuff so much, coz it is the
>harsh stuff they need help with.
> K. also brings about many ecstatically blissful experiences, sensations
>and visions.. it's teaching is experiential. You come to understand
>perspectives of unity and unconditional limitless love by seeing them thru
>Goddess eyes.
> Often these events are so transcendent that it is impossible to distill
>their vastness into the limited medium of words.
> The reason for awakening K., is to have a direct personal relationship
>with the Divine, however you choose to perceive it. In part of the process
>of your body being Remodeled by Kundalini into a Temple for Divinity,
>everything that is a limiting factor on that intention will come up to be
>released.
> If one surrenders fully in trust to the process, the path is easier.
> If you are not interested in having a spiritual life, then there is no
>reason to awaken K.
> But if your heart is drawn to union with the Divine Beloved, then it is
>inevitable.
> Blessings, Mystress.
True. :) Allow me to add a few observations of my own... Awakening of
Kundalini brings out some sort of brilliant presence, I don't know how else
to describe it. I feel K as that brilliance. It is nothing special, no
fireworks, more like a "click" - at one moment, a person is self-involved,
you can see him/her live in his/her own personal cloud of existence... then
you awaken the K, and something changes, I feel the "presence", feeling of
life, reality, awareness. It is like unplugging from your individual dream
of existence.
Our local seafood stated that K is irrelevant. I disagree. I know people
who were very promising, bright, aware and all that, without awakened K.
But when K was awakened, they became really great, all that potential
started to unfold. It is the touch with life. I, myself, say that there are
two polarities, Consciousness and Life. Atman, the One Self, is one pole,
and Shakti, the manifesting energy, is another. Kundalini awakening/rising
means uniting those two poles, bringing consciousness to life. Someone may
state that life itself, individual existence as such, is irrelevant, that
Undivided One is all that is important - I Am, being myself with myself.
But there is also individual and relative existence - a rock can manifest
the Absolute in a very limited way, plants in a little less limited way,
animals, primitive human beings, evolved human beings... and we can either
choose to function through our individualities, to incarnate Self, unite
Consciousness and Life, from the lower to the highest forms of
manifestation, or we can unground, say that ego is something bad and I
should exist as One and Undivided, unmanifested beyond Creation, knowing
myself as the eternal witness... but that is already true. Manifestation
can't change that. People often go through that phase - I've been there,
insisting that this shell I inhabit is nothing, irrelevant, just another
incarnation, as any other being I live in... Our friend Thyer reminded me
of that... Actually it took me some time to ground, to accept that I needed
to purify the ego so I could function in it, not avoid it. I can unplug
from it at any moment - what some would call entering the nirvikalpa
samadhi, the Absolute Self - but at one time I reached a point where I
didn't have to do that anymore, I could normally function as Danijel,
without reminding myself of Myself all the time - it became so normal that
I am surprized that some people insist on Self-awareness. It is as if
someone reminded me to breathe, I would find it foolish. That is the role
of Kundalini. It is the engine, the connection, the thing that makes such a
transformation possible. Subtle and sometimes not so subtle transformations
of energies, levels, layers... so we could incarnate more, bring more of
the Absolute's perfection into the "relative"... joining the two until we
are unable to notice the difference.
Take care, I love you. :)
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Date: 12 Jun 98 23:50:57 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Continuity
Message-Id: <3581BEE1.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
:
I think there is a continuum of self. It's like an elastic band
holding two things together. It's like a string bounding a parcel.
The strange thing is that this continuity makes everything seem
seperate, fragmented. There's a tremendous struggle to gain more
continuity. This really needs to be nipped in the bud.
It is an attempt to emulate under the guise of it being real. It is a
tendency to go with the flow of other people's continuum's, to be part
of the conversation, to be locked as they are locked.
I wonder, what would happen, if one destroyed this continuity, if one
could be not fall victim to other people's attatchments. What if there
was no sharing between individuals, no communicating of seperation.
What if one had the courage to stand alone, no friends, no enemies,
involved in nothing.
Maybe then the extreme familiarity, which is me, would cease, to let
there be unbridled love.
--
Paul.
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:55:42 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: The 10 Billion Names Of God
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Sharon wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Since there has been so much Hoohah and Poobah over names and
> titles lately,
> particularly over the Avatar/Aviator appellation, I suggest that
> we look to
> the chimpanzee, Washoe, for wisdom.
<snip>
Jan: Hi too, but...
First, a word from our sponsor. ** Eat more yummy tummy bananas **.
Says Washu to Washme: If you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.
Now that is Wisdom. And relief....
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:55:55 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Who is there (was RE: Why would anyone...)
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Paul wrote:
> Who is there experiencing?
Jan: The same one that on waking up from sleep says: "I had a good night's
sleep"
Hint: try the variant: Who is there sleeping?
Date: 12 Jun 98 21:01:15 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: IRC
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:
Is there an (or many) IRC channel where members of the k list can
meet? Perhaps we could arrange somewhere and a time at which a
majority of people could rondevous. Perhaps we could do some `classes'
on-line or just have a general discussion.?
--
Paul.
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Date: 13 Jun 98 00:16:25 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Reincarnation
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:
I think that most of us believe there to be two selves. The ego self,
which is full of familarity of itself, and the `non self'. And there's
all the grades inbetween.
But I notice, given that the familiar self is constructed purely of
familiarity, this must be coming from memory. And it is not possible
to kill memory, only to tame the recall of it. So we go deep within
and there is the non-self and then we come back, reidentify, become
familiar again, and it seems like it is the same us that has returned.
It gives the impression that the ego-self therefore is maintained,
that it is a constant. It is not. It is /reborn/ out of memory.
Naturally it looks the same, is familiar to you, because you are it
and it *IS* familiarity. This does not mean that in reality there are
two selves or that we have an ego-self that is always inside us
somewhere and has to be worked on over the course of time.
I have been to `higher places', where there is much less familiarity,
much less of that self, and where there is peace. In that state there
is no mess of recognition of familiar identity. It does not exist
there. It is incomprehensible there. There is no tool there to study
it. And when one is there, which is here, one DOES NOT HAVE AN
EGO.
It is not that the ego is just sleeping waiting for your return. I
refuse that. I believe that memory (which in itself is not bad) gives
birth to the ego-self. Gives rebirth to it. And this is reincarnation.
And the worse this gets the more you believe that the ego-self is
continuous and a permanent feature of what is. I know that this is so
for I have been in an out of myself like a yoyo.
People suggest we have an ego which has muck on it which needs
cleaning. I think this is nonsense. Ego is the muck, and we do not
need it in order to `operate effectively in this world'. `This
world' is ego lookng at itself, in its temporary incarnation of
itself AS familiarity, from memory, /recreated/. It is not reality at
all. It only needs itself to exist in its own view of itself. That is
no the physical world.
Trying to escape the physical world to find non-self on a seperate
plane, trying to kill the ego or clean it or leave it behind for your
return at a later date, is garbage. Regardless of what I learn, what I
discover, what I see, what I do, what I reveal, what I revelate, it is
ALWAYS possible to regenerate the exact same familarity that you call
an ego.
The extent to which it can be recreated has no bearing on the truth of
how `enlightened' you are. You can, if you want, recreate it even more
extensively after an experience of bliss as you could before. The idea
is that having bliss-states enough times and often enough you prevent
yourself from falling back down too far. You could fall all the way,
there is nothing to stop it, ever. You are just trying to avoid
falling further than you used to and you are calling this spiritual
progress!
This world is the only world. There must be no seperation between this
world and any other or any other `plane'. Ego-self is always made from
the same stuff - memory, and memory never goes away until the event of
the physical death of the body, which is only a transformation into
another form. This is the only reason why ego-self seems to be a
constant. This is the only reason that we keep reincarnating into the
same karma, the same familarity, the same mess, on a daily basis,
second by second.
It is when thought becomes aware of itself, seperate of itself, that
you have what you refer to as `thoughts' and `thinker'. It is only
when memory is seperated from itself that you have what you refer to
as `memory recall'. Memory is not there to be annhialated, nor is
thought. The only truth is that self is a lump of familarity reborn of
the memory that does not die, thought of by the thought that is ever
flowing.
--
Paul.
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