1998/06/12 13:04
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #453
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 453
Today's Topics: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Simply Different or Greater/Less [ Avatar Thyer ] The 10 Billion Names Of God [ "Sharon Webb" ]
RE: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ Mike Stickles ] Re: Simply Different or Greater/Less [ David Bozzi ]
Re: Why would anyone... [ Mystress Angelique Serpent ] RE: Avatarinventory [ Mary Ezzell ]
Re: Why would anyone... [ "Paul West" ] Re: Why would anyone... [ Mary Ezzell ]
Re: Fire [ Anurag Goel
In a message dated 6/12/98 7:35:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, katherbATnospamglobalserve.net writes:
..... I feel like I`ve been mislead by an individual who claims
to have had kundalini experience.I need outside help because he seems to have selfish motives involving sexual expectations.
If you have him on a pedestal because you feel he is the more *spiritual* one,
take him off now! Right now, you think he is the teacher, but for all you know, he may be the student.
Think about what it is you are to learn, what is your lesson here. Trust
yourself right now since you are not able to trust others. You know right from wrong. You know what is acceptable and unacceptable in your life. If it
doesn't feel right, right now, trust yourself! If he does not like it, it is his problem not yours - you are only here to learn your lessons.
If he has any expectations at all, he is not a teacher.
......Sometimes I have great miracles through his guidance and sometimes I
fear he is tricking me selfishly so I won`t relax and trust him or follow his
advice.
Again, now is the time to trust yourself. If something he says *crosses your lines*, your boundaries of what you feel is right or wrong, honour yourSelf,
your boundaries, rather than his boundaries. You are getting to know yourSelf, not hisSelf. It doesn't matter what he wants -- what is it that
you want?
If you want miracles, you don't need him. You need God. If you want spiritual growth, you don't need him, you need God. If you want a true
teacher, you don't need him, you need God. Go within to find your true teacher.
If in doubt with a teacher, do nothing. There will come a time when you have
no doubts. Now is the time to learn to trust yourself. If you cannot trust yourself, how in heavens name will you ever be able to trust anyone else?
......I`ll go away in my life trip start dreaming of kundalini again and then
run back.A penticostal freind of mine warned me that "it is the work of
Satan" .I`m confused and afraid that I`m getting in too deep and bad thingss will get worse if I focus on having full Kundalini.
Again, trust yourself. If this is what you are thinking right now, then it is
truth for you right now.
.... Do you think hallucinogens could bring about an activation?
Why would you ask that?
Love, xxxtg
* When everything looks upside down, its time to look up *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html
To: AfperryATnospamaol.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Simply Different or Greater/Lesser
Message-Id:
Greetings.
Alan wrote:
>Reading your post gave me a strong feeling of what 'spiritual communism'
might >be. I felt you were striving for an ideal, one that we would all ordinarily
>applaud, but which just did not gel in practice.
*****
I comprehend that you received that "strong feeling of what 'spiritual communism' might be" because your experience grades Spiritual incarnations
as greater/lesser.
My perspective simply affirms positive equality.
Alan wrote:
>A sort of utopia where the glorious theory of oneness can
>shine without the inconvenience and distortions of its everyday > manifestations.
*****
What to you are "inconveniences and distortions" are simply wonderful
differences to me.
I experience, and celebrate, both similarities and differences as positive aspects of the incarnations that we are, rather than considering
differences as "inconveniences and distortions".
You wrote:
>And then I received a clear image of Orwell's 'Animal Farm' and those
powerful >words: " All men are equal but some are more equal than others".
*****
Yes. I am affirming the "all humans are equal" concept.
Based upon what you have written about considering Spiritual incarnations
as greater and lesser in comparison to each other, you seem to be declaring "but some are more equal than others".
I AM Avatar Thyer
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:06:54 -0700 From: "Dan Margolis"
To: luxanATnospamshasta.com cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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OH MY GOD THE ALIENS ARE HERE!!!! Hide the woman and children and cowardly
men they've come for us. Don't believe that crystal city of light story. They just want to make us
slaves in their dilithium mines! You won't take me alive, I've got my tinfoil negative gravity wave transponder helmet on!!!
Run for your lives!!! Dan M.
http://www.gargaro.com/marvinwavs/claim.wav.
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:51:08 EDT From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
To: luxanATnospamshasta.com Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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In a message dated 6/12/98 8:12:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, luxanATnospamshasta.com
writes:
.......Greet'gs hu-Man (our ET Brothers & Sisters in hu-Man Form),
GREET-INGS EXTRA-TERRESTIAL (our hu-Man Brothers & Sisters in ET Form)
....... We Transmit Now....
WE RESPOND NOW...
GREETINGS IN LIGHT AND LOVE OF THE ETERNAL INFINITE ONE(S) BACK AT YA.
WE ARE EARTHLINGS. WE ARE HU-MAN. WE WELCOME YOU TO PLANET EARTH.
YOU ARE INCORRECT THAT WE ARE LIFE IN/ON THE 3RD DENSITY TERRA/GAIA/EARTH.
WE ARE NOT DENSE. MERELY DISILLUSIONED AT THIS TIME DUE TO ET's TELLING US WE ARE DENSE.
I AM BEAMING THIS TRANSMISSION UP TO YOUR MANY DIFFERENT STAR SYSTEMS IN THIS
GALAXY AND NEIGHBORING GALAXIES. ALL STAR SYSTEMS, PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE RECEIPT OF TRANSMISSION BY SHARING YOUR PRESENCE AT MY BARBECUE, HELD TONIGHT,
7:00PM, IN MY BACKYARD. ALL STAR SYSTEMS AND HU-MAN BROTHERS IN ET FORM ARE INVITED. COVER DISH IS REQUESTED. DRESS IS CASUAL. SMOKING IS OPTIONAL.
BARBECUE IS FOR THOSE WISHING TO REALIZE THEY ARE ALREADY ASCENDED MASTERS IN
THE HU-MAN FORM. ET's ARE WELCOME TO JOIN TO REALIZE THIS. WE BUILD OUR OWN CRYSTAL CITIES AND HAVE NO NEED FOR HELP OUTSIDE OF OURSELVES.
WE ARE VERY IMPRESSED WITH YOUR OPINIONS OF YOURSELVES. SOME ARE UNDER THE
INFLUENCE THAT ALL ET's ARE ASCENDED MASTERS. THIS IS NOT TRUE. DO NOT BELIEVE ANY TRANSMISSION THAT SAYS DIFFERENTLY. DO NOT BELIEVE AN ET THAT
TRIES TO SELL YOU THEIR WARES. THAT WOULD MAKE THEM SALESMEN, NOT ASCENDED MASTERS.
HOW DO I KNOW ALL OF THIS GREAT WISDOM? LET ME INTRODUCE MYSELF.
TEEGEE - LONG VERSION OF TG. OR THANK GOD. IF I WANTED TO BE INDEBTED TO
YOU, I WOULD HAVE BEEN NAMED TET.
I AM THE 7TH HIERARCHAL LOTUS FLOWER FROM THE 33RD HEAVENLY LEVEL, INCARNATED AS AN ASCENDED MASTER IN THIS LIFETIME IN HU-MAN FORM. FOLLOW ME EXTRA
TERRESTRIAL BROTHERS AND SISTERS. I WILL TEACH YOU ALL YOU WANT TO KNOW. AND EVEN MORE. IF I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, THEN YOU DO NOT NEED IT.
LET ME BUILD YOUR CRYSTAL CITIES. IN HU-MAN FORM. FOLLOW ME, DEAR ET
BROTHERS AND SISTERS. I WILL LEAD YOU TO PARADISE AND BEYOND.
END OF TRANSMISSION.
RSVP IMTGXXXATnospamAOL.COM
xxxtg
* It's hard to be serious when you're naked *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html To: kl List
Subject: RE: Simply Different or Greater/Lesser Message-ID:
Alan wrote:
< To say we are all equal at the level of manifestation seems an awful arrogance. >>
and Thayer replied:
< For me, it is "aweful arrogance" to suggest that anyone is "above" or "below" me in a Spiritual way. >>
In a way, both are right. Definitely, there are some who seem to more fully
manifest the attributes and power of God/divinity/etc than most others do. Yet it is equally true that setting up a "spiritual heirarchy" has its own
dangers. One of the big problems I see is that there are so many things inherent in "spirituality" - love, compassion, power, wisdom, patience,
humility, etc - that to try to reduce the measure of it to a linear scale seems as foolish as trying to reduce total mental ability to an IQ score.
In II Corinthians 10:12, Paul states "But when they measure themselves by
one another, and compare themselves with one another, they are without understanding." Comparison is, all too often, an ego thing. I do my best not
to compare my "spiritual state" with that of others, since (hopefully) neither of us is standing still, and likely we are not growing in the same
areas. It's too much like observing two race cars on different tracks and asking, "which one is ahead?"
Paul again said in I Corinthians 12:18-19, "God arranged the organs in the
body, each one of them, as He chose. If all were a single organ, where would the body be?" You can't really compare your eyes with your liver, or your
tongue with your biceps. All of us, by design, have different functions and different purposes, and can only measure ourselves truly against our
personal "calling" and our perception/conception of Deity, not against each other.
- Mike
P.S. - Thayer - hope you take no offense that I leave off "Avatar", but
since for me that word carries baggage that I haven't been able to drop I find it easier to just leave it out . I don't use "Reverend" in reference to
preachers for the same reason. Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:23:43 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" To:
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Hi,
Since there has been so much Hoohah and Poobah over names and titles lately, particularly over the Avatar/Aviator appellation, I suggest that we look to
the chimpanzee, Washoe, for wisdom.
Washoe gazed at the sky and saw an airplane. With an incredible simian leap of intuition, Washoe named it, "You me go fly."
Now there is communication.
Yes.
YOU ME GO FLY,
Sharon shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:29:17 -0400 From: Mike Stickles
To: kl List Subject: RE: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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< As for your pentecostal friend calling kundalini the work of Satan, that is a form of negative prayer. I would not confide in any
fundalmentalist Christian, because they'll curse your energy. >>
HEY!! WATCH THAT STUFF!! (Just tossing in my $0.02 as the resident fundamentalist Christian :-)
Anyway, remember that in the belief system of most Christians (*especially*
Pentecostals and Charismatics) only two sources of spiritual power are recognized - God and Satan. So if they rule out God as being the source of
Kundalini (for whatever reason), guess what's left? The logic is impeccable; it's the premises that are suspect.
I recognize four sources of spiritual power - God/angelic, Satan/demonic,
human (from being "made in the image of God"), and environmental (including animal - from the power of God invested in creation). And I see those
experiences and manifestations which are interpreted as Kundalini as being potentially "powered" by any of the four. This is quite different, I'm sure,
from the majority opinion on this list (assuming we HAVE a "majority opinion" :-), but that's where I come from.
< Uptight Christians have been cursing people for hundreds of
years. You are very sensitive right now. Stay away from vengeful Christians. >>
Replace "Christians" in the above statement with "people" and it is just as
accurate, if not more so. Over the years I've been "cursed", in various and sundry forms, by Christians, Moslems, Jews, Hindus, pagans, witches,
atheists, agnostics, deists, and God-only-knows-what-else. But remember, not everyone who disagrees with you is "cursing" you. Those whose target is
error and whose aim is Truth are never really enemies, even if they vehemently disagree with you. Those whose target is YOU and whose aim is
"being right" are to be avoided, even if they mostly agree with you.
< ... it may be good to visualise a large fierce animal that is loyal to you and to use that creature to attack bad thoughts or images.
Lions and tigers are nice. >>
Don't forget bears - Oh My! (sorry, just watched "The Wizard of Oz" the other day and couldn't resist :-).
- Mike
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:38:25 -0400 From: David Bozzi
To: Kundalini Subject: Re: Simply Different or Greater/Lesser
Message-ID:
Mike Stickles wrote:
> Definitely, there are some who seem to more fully > manifest the attributes and power of God/divinity/etc than most others do.
Yep.
> Yet it is equally true that setting up a "spiritual heirarchy" has its own
> dangers. (snip) to try to reduce the measure of it to a linear scale > seems as foolish as trying to reduce total mental ability to an IQ score.
Very foolish indeed.
We experience illusion.
Perhaps with Awareness We could clear it all up...
Jesus and Buddha were complete idiots. Hitler on the hand was wonderful.
Beware the "master" with a personality.
He will surely require a defense.
So Love Truth. The Truth that is Our Master without a personality.
THIS TRUTH REQUIRES NO DEFENSE.
Have a nice day. Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:51:32 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent To: "Magnus Zotterman"
Cc: "kundalini" Subject: Re: Why would anyone...
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At 02:34 PM 11/06/98 +0200, Magnus Zotterman wrote:
>>>>
Hi!
I'm just wondering; Why would anyone want awaken their Kundalini? What
are the benefits? I have only read about all the bad sides of Kundalini, like people having strange and frightening visions and pain all over the
body. Please explain this to me someone!
Thanks for any answers
Magnus Zotterman
<<<<
Well, Marcus. folks don't talk about the good stuff so much, coz it is
the harsh stuff they need help with.
K. also brings about many ecstatically blissful experiences, sensations and visions.. it's teaching is experiential. You come to
understand perspectives of unity and unconditional limitless love by seeing them thru Goddess eyes.
Often these events are so transcendent that it is impossible to
distill their vastness into the limited medium of words.
The reason for awakening K., is to have a direct personal relationship with the Divine, however you choose to perceive it. In part of the
process of your body being Remodeled by Kundalini into a Temple for Divinity, everything that is a limiting factor on that intention will
come up to be released.
If one surrenders fully in trust to the process, the path is easier.
If you are not interested in having a spiritual life, then there is no reason to awaken K.
But if your heart is drawn to union with the Divine Beloved, then it is
inevitable.
Blessings, Mystress.
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:03:51 -0400
From: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
To: "kl List" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Well-meaning religious fanatics
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Hi everyone,
My name is Cathy and I've been reading your posts for a few days,
until I could get a feel for whether I fit in. You are the craziest
people I know (in a non-harmful way), and the only ones who could
possibly understand the kind of stuff that happens to me, or that I
remember happening from past (lives), etc. I haven't thunk up a
title like Avatar for myself, but I don't really care if other people
like titles. I have too many titles to sort through already, such as
mom, wife, my job title, friend, etc.
However, I have had a "hell" of a problem with my well-meaning
Christian, Republican, Southern Baptist friends. It seems almost all
of them (wonderful, kindly people) fall into one or more of these
categories. They just can't stand thinking that my husband (a
non-practicing jew) and I (a non-church goer) will someday burn in
hell.
One set of friends drags out the bible (which they had indexed) every
time we visit; they proceed to read it aloud to explain the meaning
of whatever life is currently challenging us/them with. Our new
neighbor invites us constantly to church. Politely, we've gone to
two plays (one was a passion play; the other was an absolutely awful
depiction of what happens to people who don't go to church and don't
have Jesus in their hearts (complete with a costumed devil and his
helpers dragging screaming people off to hell.)
I nearly pushed my husband out of the pews so we could leave. The
dear man just does not understand (or care) when he is being
manipulated. That is because his attention span goes no further
than the NY Mets. They have no clue they are wasting their time
prosletyzing (forgive spelling please) him.
As for me, I suspect that when these well-meaning fools get to
"heaven", they'll be asking me for directions. They can also count
on getting a round-trip ticket, just like I got last time I was
"there". I remember much of what happened and where I went last time
my body died. I won't be taken in or brainwashed by this type of
fear-based nonsense.
Cathy
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamaurum.com>
To: kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Date: Friday, June 12, 1998 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
> << As for your pentecostal friend calling kundalini the work of
>Satan, that is a form of negative prayer. I would not confide in any
>fundalmentalist Christian, because they'll curse your energy. >>
>
>HEY!! WATCH THAT STUFF!!
>(Just tossing in my $0.02 as the resident fundamentalist Christian
:-)
>
>Anyway, remember that in the belief system of most Christians
(*especially*
>Pentecostals and Charismatics) only two sources of spiritual power
are
>recognized - God and Satan. So if they rule out God as being the
source of
>Kundalini (for whatever reason), guess what's left? The logic is
impeccable;
>it's the premises that are suspect.
>
>I recognize four sources of spiritual power - God/angelic,
Satan/demonic,
>human (from being "made in the image of God"), and environmental
(including
>animal - from the power of God invested in creation). And I see
those
>experiences and manifestations which are interpreted as Kundalini as
being
>potentially "powered" by any of the four. This is quite different,
I'm sure,
>from the majority opinion on this list (assuming we HAVE a "majority
>opinion" :-), but that's where I come from.
>
> << Uptight Christians have been cursing people for hundreds of
>years. You are very sensitive right now. Stay away from vengeful
Christians.
>>>
>
>Replace "Christians" in the above statement with "people" and it is
just as
>accurate, if not more so. Over the years I've been "cursed", in
various and
>sundry forms, by Christians, Moslems, Jews, Hindus, pagans, witches,
>atheists, agnostics, deists, and God-only-knows-what-else. But
remember, not
>everyone who disagrees with you is "cursing" you. Those whose target
is
>error and whose aim is Truth are never really enemies, even if they
>vehemently disagree with you. Those whose target is YOU and whose
aim is
>"being right" are to be avoided, even if they mostly agree with you.
>
> << ... it may be good to visualise a large fierce animal that is
>loyal to you and to use that creature to attack bad thoughts or
images.
>Lions and tigers are nice. >>
>
>Don't forget bears - Oh My! (sorry, just watched "The Wizard of Oz"
the
>other day and couldn't resist :-).
>
>- Mike
>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:32:44 -0700
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Avatarinventory
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Looks to me like he created his own reality here. :-) Chose to write in a
way that has gotten him similar reactions in the past. Did what he always
did, got what he always got.
Whatever turns him on.... :-)
Mary
-----------
Now this is really great!!!!!!
At 05:09 AM 6/12/98 +0100, jb wrote:
>Instead of following a trend, we can set
>one: inflate our K. heated egos to the point were they will explode as
>over-pressured balloons. This inflation could be done with titles,
>achievements and attainments. The subsequent reactions will blow up the
>balloons from laughter or anger - both will work.
And/or the anger transmutes into laughter....
Date: 12 Jun 98 19:52:37 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Why would anyone...
Message-Id: <3581841D.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> K. also brings about many ecstatically blissful experiences,
> sensations and visions.. it's teaching is experiential.
Who is there experiencing?
> seeing them thru Goddess eyes.
There should be no identity as to who is seeing. I think that's what
you mean though.
> Often these events are so transcendent that it is impossible to
> distill their vastness into the limited medium of words.
What is there to transcend?
> If you are not interested in having a spiritual life, then there is no
> reason to awaken K.
By `spiritual', do you mean materialistic? Ie, is there as seeking of
being spiritual? Wanting to be spiritual?
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: 12 Jun 98 19:36:41 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-Id: <35818326.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Imtgxxx,
> If you have him on a pedestal because you feel he is the more *spiritual* one,
> take him off now! Right now, you think he is the teacher, but for all you
> know, he may be the student.
They're both the same thing.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: 12 Jun 98 19:41:47 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The 10 Billion Names Of God
Message-Id: <35818465.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> Since there has been so much Hoohah and Poobah over names and titles lately,
> particularly over the Avatar/Aviator appellation, I suggest that we look to
> the chimpanzee, Washoe, for wisdom.
If you look to anybody or anything else you will not see anything
other than the person doing the looking.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: 12 Jun 98 19:43:59 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Simply Different or Greater/Lesser
Message-Id: <358184FF.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> > Definitely, there are some who seem to more fully
> > manifest the attributes and power of God/divinity/etc than most others do.
>
> Yep.
The power of who? What?
> > Yet it is equally true that setting up a "spiritual heirarchy" has its own
> > dangers. (snip) to try to reduce the measure of it to a linear scale
> > seems as foolish as trying to reduce total mental ability to an IQ score.
>
> Very foolish indeed.
There seems to me to be no difference between the idea of total
mentality and a reduction in that total mentality or the
transformation of it into an IQ score.
> We experience illusion.
> Perhaps with Awareness We could clear it all up...
Who is aware?
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:08:42 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Well-meaning religious fanatics
Message-ID: <35817CBA.BED1625BATnospammail.snet.net>
Wonderer wrote:
> They just can't stand thinking that my husband (a
> non-practicing jew) and I (a non-church goer) will someday burn in
> hell.
Gently remind them that Jesus was a non-practicing jew who also did notgo
to church.
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:09:12 -0700
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: "Magnus Zotterman" <magnus.zottermanATnospampictura.com>
Cc: "kundalini" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Why would anyone...
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980612115238.00a33314ATnospampop.sonic.net>
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At 02:34 PM 11/06/98 +0200, Magnus Zotterman wrote:
>>>>
I'm just wondering; Why would anyone want awaken their Kundalini? What are
the benefits? I have only read about all the bad sides of Kundalini, like
people having strange and frightening visions and pain all over the body.
Please explain this to me someone!
<<<<
Briefly ... some of us believe that 'kundalini awakening' is the 'active
ingredient' in a lot of religious experience. In my culture, it's the Jesus
Saves revival meetings, "Every time I, feel the Spirit, moving in my heart,
I will pra-ay!" ... "you'll shout when it hits you, yes indeed!" St Paul
and Hank Williams seeing the light. Literally. I saw it too. Golden light
rilppling out in all directions. And felt healing, warm hand of deity
reaching into me and healing things instantly.
The revival people get together and sing hymns to awaken it. Other
religions do it differently. (Meditation, austerities can do it too.)
The reasons why ... are the same reasons whyever people go to any religious
practices and want any religious experience (or any psychic
experience/powers for that matter). It can be for healing illness, or bad
habits, or seeing God, or anything ... whatever your own heart wants. (Read
/Cosmic Consciousness/, also James' /Varieties of Religious Experience.)
Some ways of awakening it have side effects ... some spontaneous awakenings
have side effects. In looking at methods, pls distinguish which techniques
are for:
1. clearing the channels etc to prepare a 'smooth path' for the energy to
travel
(usually a safe and beneficial thing, if you avoid harsh methods)
2. awakening the energy
(can be a little dangerous. better keep preparing and clearing, and
perhpas it will
awaken on its own)
Mary
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:38:40 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Fire
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Could be.
Love,
Anurag
On 12 Jun 1998, Paul West wrote:
> Before getting to sleep last night, my /whole/ body got very hot. Not
> a sweaty hot, or an uncomfortable hot, but an `in the atoms' sort of
> hot. Kundalini?
>
> --
> Paul.
>
> IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
> WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
> E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
>
>
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