1998/06/11 17:33
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #450
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 450
Today's Topics: What is this about? [ "Magnus Zotterman" ]
RE: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF [ "jb" ] Why would anyone... [ "Magnus Zotterman" ]
Re: Why would anyone... [ Ori ] Re: Words and Definitions (Danny Boy [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: Not ENOUGH [ Anurag Goel ] Re: A Dream of Integration [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
AVATAR... [ Anurag Goel ] Re: A Dream of Integration [ David Bozzi ]
Re: A Dream of Integration [ freda ] A dream [ "Paul West" ]
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:11:56 +0200 From: "Magnus Zotterman"
To: Subject: What is this about?
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Hi!
I recently subscribed to this list. I'm just wondering;
what exactly are you discussing?? What is this Avatar (aviation flyer) thing??
I thought this was about Kundalini (But I'm not sure what that is either...well...maybe I'll find out if I keep
reading all your letters...)
/Magnus Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 04:29:22 PDT
From: "Jose Arroyo" To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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>I have been where you are. You have not been where I am. Therefore >you can not
Lobster wrote:
I have been where you are. You have not been where I am...
Jose: *Aren't we constantly at another place?* ...
It is difficult to find in places where one will not find ... And yet, it is SO close to us...
Much Love to you all,
Jose
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From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" To: Magnus Zotterman ,
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HI Magnus,
You just tuned in at a bad time. A man recently joined who calls himself Avatar...a number of people took exception to his use of such a
powerful title, and the melee ensued.
If you have a question about kundalini, send it along, it's high time we got back on track.
Welcome, and don't give up on this list too soon, the full moon is about
over! ;-)
Blessings,
Orea Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:25:36 +0100
From: "jb" To: ,
"Mystress Angelique Serpent" Subject: RE: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF THE CONCEPT !
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> Angelique wrote:
> The opposite of love is not hatred, anger, spite or fear.. these are > passionate emotions..
> The opposite of love is apathy.
Right. Even a yoga of hate exists, as hating the divine produces the same results as loving the divine. In classical yoga, three qualities are
mentioned: purity, passion and ignorance (here it equals apathy). "The quality of ignorance is superseded by the quality of passion, the quality of
passion by that of purity, the quality of purity attained, it is difficult to renounce it. It gives a more unmixed pleasure than the other qualities,
but creates more attachment. You can rise above ignorance and passion with the help of purity."
Jan
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:34:40 +0200 From: "Magnus Zotterman"
To: "kundalini" Subject: Why would anyone...
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Hi! I'm just wondering; Why would anyone
want awaken their Kundalini? What are the benefits? I have only read about all the bad sides of Kundalini, like people having strange and frightening visions
and pain all over the body. Please explain this to me someone!
Thanks for any answers Magnus Zotterman
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:41:44 -0400 From: Avatar Thyer
To: "Magnus Zotterman" ,
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Greetings.
Magnus Zotterman wrote:
>Hi! I recently subscribed to this list. I'm just wondering; what >exactly are you discussing?? What is this Avatar (aviation flyer) thing??
>I thought this was about Kundalini (But I'm not sure what that is >either...well...maybe I'll find out if I keep reading all your letters...)
*****
Well, I joined this list a little while ago and made a few posts about
Spirit, Kundalini and Chakras (which I bet got lost in the ensuing fray). Some folks noticed that I sign my letters with the title *Avatar* before my
name.
One person indirectly and politely asked me what it meant. I revealed that to me each one of us is an Avatar (each one of us is an incarnation of
Spirit).
Several other people chose to conclude that rather than being inclusive, I was really just being exclusively Egotistic and suffering from a
superiority complex (regardless of my inclusive definition and my lack of exclusive behavior via my letters).
A series of attacks began where some folks began insisting what I was and
what I was not. I simply and consistently affirmed what I positively, actually am in comparison to what they wanted me to think I was. Some
folks even took exception to my unique use of language.
And some remarkable folks saw through the accusations of Egomania and realized all along that all the condemnations (both blatant and subtle)
were just a smoke screen.
Some of those who dislike my writing style, have stopped reading. Some of those who are continuing to insist that I am Egotistic are still making
accusations and misrepresenting my actual position.
I would like to get back to the topic of Kundalini.
I AM
Avatar Thyer Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:27:14 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" To: Avatar Thyer , kl List
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***Oh Avatar, I kiss your lotus feet in thanks for the way you broke up
your text into short chunks that my eyes can easily track.*** Keep it up and I will be a loyal reader!
You can have Avatar if you like, one of my favorites is still "Mom."
Widely used, but no less blessed by its commonality.
Or, how about this one:
Orea, Chosen Consort of the great Sa' Hana (an amazingly wonderful, HUGE Black Dragon)
Forget it, too big a mouthful and sounds pretty fruity. :-)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:15:01 -0700 From: Ori
To: Kundalini-l Subject: Re: Why would anyone...
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Hi Magnus,
Kundalini is a natural part of spiritual awakening. I personally think that setting out to awaken kundalini is akin to
setting out to have an orgasm... and ignoring how one arrives.
The spiritual path one is on is the focus... To my way of thinking, kundalini is simply the evolutionary energy
which arises as a spiritual path of consciousness is followed.
I'm sure you will get as many answers as there are people. What is important is not there are so many answers, but that you
have the opportunity to develop your discernment to find what works for you.
--Ori
oriATnospameskimo.com
Kundalini Resources on the Web http://www.eskimo.com/~ori/kundalini.html
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:10:11 -0500 From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Words and Definitions (Danny Boy)
Message-Id:
Both Lobster and Mystress have mentioned one Dan Gallager. Could someone
give me a brief refresh on this person? I don't remember him, but then he could've been on the list before I was, so I never experienced his posts.
The concept of "most psychotic list guy" is intriguing. I'd like to know
how far I can go while still being "not as wacky as Dan, at least....." :D
an enquiring mind, amckeon
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:38:25 +0530 (IST) From: Anurag Goel
To: Lobster cc: Kundalini - L , NancyATnospamwtp.net
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Hi,
So does AVATAR really means that he is one of the AVATARS?
Love, Anurag
On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Lobster wrote:
> >I've been patiently reading and deleting these posts from and about
> >Avatar Thyer. My conclussion...who the hell really cares what this guy > >calls himself? Angelique likes to call herself the serpent, Ed is known
> >as the lobster, I seem to remember a guy a while back who called himself > >the ox. No one seems to have a problem with these words.
> >
> Hi Nancy > Is it not obvious that more is being discussed than a word? What is being
> discussed is an attitude. That is why it is important. Many people on this > list feel that there is a link between language, title and attitude. The
> means of communication usually denote such an attitude. > Thyer is a catalyst in this process. Many people might find themself in a
> position where they might have to consider the need for a Spiritual Friend > or Mentor or indeed several such people. Somebody who can facilitate the
> process that has been partially activated through 'k'. There are a number of > people who behave in the superficially spiritual manner of 'avatars'. They
> do not answer questions or provide for real needs, they merely reflect back. > It is important that people *know this is pseudo spirituality*. They may not
> believe this. They may not accept this - having found nothing better. Often > they only want the reassurance of this kind of sham. If they want the real
> thing it is available but they may not have developed the discrimination to > search and find it. They may still feel they can find all the answers for
> themself (something very few of us can do effectively - we are our own blind > spot).
> So that is why it is important. >
> Be Well > Lobster (off to develop some discrimination :-)
> >
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:30:17 +0530 (IST) From: Anurag Goel
To: Magnus Zotterman cc: kundalini , kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Hi Magnus, By awakening the kundalini one becomes able to use one's whole
potential. One understands this universe and god then.One then loves evryone. Not all the processes which give pain lead to
something bad. When the woman gives birth to child she suffers frm pain. One has to be cautious while awakening Kundalini.
Love,
Anurag
On Thu, 11 Jun 1998, Magnus Zotterman wrote:
> Hi! > I'm just wondering; Why would anyone want awaken their Kundalini? What are
the benefits? I have only read about all the bad sides of Kundalini, like people having strange and frightening visions and pain all over the body.
Please explain this to me someone! >
> Thanks for any answers > Magnus Zotterman
> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:46:14 -0700
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Titles/Names/K Message-Id:
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Dear List Members,
Has anyone ever thought about s/he is writing? We have a gentleman who signs his letters in a manner that some do not either understand or like.
May I ask all of you one question? Why?
Whatever one chooses to call him or herself is irrelevant - however one chooses to sign their name should not concern us - being an Avatar is not
something new - been around a long time. In fact, there is even a school that teaches one to be an Avatar. So if the name was bestowed upon him - so
be it! If I chose to call myself "The Enlightened One" (which I am not) and signed my mail thus, why would any of you dispute my word on it, and
furthermore, why would you want to?
We are all God's little sparks, so why don't we act like it? Since we are all one, why are we separating ourselves in this manner? This is a share
list, sharing experiences, asking questions about K and how to cope with the problems that may arise out of an awakened Kundalini... Let us get back
to that! And for those of you have forgotten why this list exists and who really want to fire up the old K see Sharon's new fractal.
So people - let it go! Enough already. Instead, let us try to listen to
what he has to say, there may be gold in them thar hills...
I will be unsubscribing - leaving for a conference in Peru on "Recovering Lost Wisdom". I wish you all could join me. Always something new to learn.
blessings dor
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:12:05 -0400 From: "Sharon Webb"
To: Subject: We lied...kundalini article out today, not next week
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Hi,
Gee...I lied...the editor lied...we all lied. My "Eye On the Web" article
on Kundalini came out today---not next Thursday. It will be on their site for one week.
Some of you are quoted (with permission) so...if you'd like to take a look,
go to
http://eyeontheweb.com/
Once you get there choose Religion & Philosophy from the menu at the left. When you arrive at the R & P page, click on the Buddha graphic near the top
of the page that says "Eye On Religion & Philosophy."
Sharon shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
A new fractal gallery and screensaver was posted to this site, 4/3/98: http://www.fractalus.com/sharon/
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:15:35 -0600 From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net Cc: Kundalini
Subject: Re: A Dream of Integration Message-Id:
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At 2:25 AM -0400 6/11/98, David Bozzi wrote: >A Dream of Integration
> .
> >I am fun.
>I am tragic. >
>I am mundane. >I am magic.
> >I am wise.
>And insane. >
>I am none of what I've said. >I am something else instead.
I am not a big poetry fan, but I like this one! It would make excellent
song lyrics too. Any musicians on the list?
amckeon Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:22:04 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel To: Kundalini Mailing List
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Hi Everyone, I just remembered after seeing all those mails on AVATAR
that the state of AVATAR is related to KUNDALINI. I read it in a magazine sometime back. After all chakras
have been awakened the kundalini shakti is made to sit in anyone of the Seven Major Chakras. The person in whom
this Kundalini reaches back to MULADHAR CHAKRA. That person is in that state of AVATAR. He lives the very
common life. Love,
Anurag Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:24:28 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
Cc: Kundalini Subject: Re: A Dream of Integration
Message-Id:
At 2:25 AM -0400 6/11/98, David Bozzi wrote:
>A Dream of Integration
Hey! Try singing it to that song "Bitch" by Merideth Brooks... I think it works!
buh-bye,
amckeon Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:37:06 -0300
From: Germaine To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Avatar Message-Id:
Message-Id:
At 11:19 PM 6/9/98 +0100, Lobster wrote:
> >Dear Friend,
>I AM too. Luckily through supreme effort and the kind of objectivity that >sees splinters in others eyes I have looked at myself. The fog of the
>almighty ego is there - log like. It's not me. There is behind it a kind of >perfection. A calmness, an objectivity. A simplicity. Gradually it is
>growing. I try and identify it, live in it, encourage its growth. Strangely >I find it is in you too. In everyone. A shining, a Love without source. In
>each person. So I know it. I know its voice and I know my egos voice. And >through knowing the difference, I understand others - for they too have an
>ego and are existing in the easier option - which is the ego. >And strangely this inner aspect calls like to like, it recognises itself. It
>sees beyond the superficialities of behaviour and supposed motivations and >calls for voluntary service to its depth of perfection. So feel that inner
>urge and it will clear away the fog . . . >No need to believe in anything but your own potential. Found - it becomes
>the reference through which we commit to change, clearing away the fog . . . >welcoming the light . . .
Dear Lobster,
Even though this is not addressed to me,
I can't let it go by -without saying Thank you..
You shine a powerful light on what IT's all about, and this light reaches me -as I'm sure it reaches many others.
I more than welcome it. I'm so grateful for it..
May you grow more and more in the Light,
and may we grow as well...right alongside, as much as we're able to.
Germaine
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:32:21 EDT From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us, david.bozziATnospamsnet.net Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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In a message dated 6/11/1998, 12:13:58 PM, amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
writes: about David Bozzi's song. <>
>I am fun. >I am tragic.
> >I am mundane.
>I am magic. >
>I am wise. >And insane.
> >I am none of what I've said.
>I am something else instead.
I am not a big poetry fan, but I like this one! It would make excellent song lyrics too. Any musicians on the list?
amckeon
>> Harsha: Perhaps Barry Manilow could sing this. It might be fun to have David
Bozzi himself sing it also. He would know all the hand gestures and facial expressions at the right places. How about it buddy?
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:13:02 -0400 From: David Bozzi
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us, Kundalini Subject: Re: A Dream of Integration
Message-ID:
amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us wrote:
> I am not a big poetry fan, but I like this one! It would make excellent > song lyrics too. Any musicians on the list?
Yeah,(me)
Vocalist also.
Any music producers on the list? (or friend of a friend type thing?)
I am a producers' dream.
David Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:15:34 -0400
From: David Bozzi To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com, Kundalini
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Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com wrote:
> Perhaps Barry Manilow could sing this. It might be fun to have David
> Bozzi himself sing it also. He would know all the hand gestures and facial > expressions at the right places. How about it buddy?
And what exactly are those hand gestures of Barry Manilows'that you dig so much?
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:15:48 -0700 From: freda
To: Kundalini Subject: Re: A Dream of Integration
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Wonderful, My mood could use a little song and dance....
freda: in the olive grove, willing enough but begging for options
Date: 11 Jun 98 20:06:58 +0000 From: "Paul West"
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: A dream
Message-Id:
Having somewhat lost myself last night in my atunement message, I had a strange dream which might be a kundalini thing.
Basically it was nighttime and I was in my house and in the distance
there were forks of lightening. Zap. Zap. Again and again, very quickly in succession. They were getting closer, and they were seeming
to follow a straight line directly heading for the house. They zapped real close, through the house. The house wasn't destroyed but I was
running for my life. I went downstairs. Zaps about a metre apart struck accross the bottom of the stairs. I danced in amongst the first
wave but then another wave came. I judged avoidance of the first zap correctly, but then I leap, and it struck me. I ceased to exist then.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:41:12 EDT
From: tompatterson28ATnospamjuno.com (Tom Patterson) To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: I AM, avatar, Lobster... Message-ID:
>>Hello Students and Teachers,
>> >>Don't know 'bout you, but I would really like to believe there is
>someone >>out there who has really transcended the fog of the almighty ego
>>identification and can see life as it is, or at least life beyond ego >>identification.
>> >>I AM
>>all fucked up >
> >
>Dear Friend, >I AM too... -snip-...(Preceding was the beginning of a Lobster message)
(Following from Tom Patterson)
Very interesting the use of "I Am" in this way.
Is there also a "This Is" which would describe something (maybe everything) beyond the "I Am" aspect of the universe?
My thoughts are:
"I Am", currently identified with the body named Tom Patterson. "This Is" the Devine Mother created, time bound universe.
"Thou Art" great mystery "life", beyond the senses, existing in the eternal now.
Tom
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From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Here's an idea.... Message-Id:
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Avatar Thyer,
Maybe it would be helpful to the folks if you told us a story of how your avatarness works in your daily life. Mystress, for example, has told us
stories which have helped me to understand how her goddessness works. She has told us stories of power breaths and rituals and games she plays with
her slaves, as well as exorcising Titanic ghosts, etc.
Lobster has told us stories of his attempts to train his reluctant guru.
Others on this list have told stories too, which have helped me to get to know them and where they are coming from better than simple statements
would have. Simple statements may be more clear and concise in their intent, but some of us need stories to assist us in "experiencing" another
human's essence. I have even told some of my stories, for what they are worth.
Just a suggestion, but I sense that this could break the deadlock we seem
to be in at the moment.
Best Wishes, amckeon
P.S. I haven't read ALL the mail yet, so if you've told us a story already,
I apologize :) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:20:42 EDT
From: AfperryATnospamaol.com To: tompatterson28ATnospamJUNO.COM
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: I AM, avatar, Lobster...
Message-ID:
Dear Tom,
In a message dated 11/6/98 9:01:13 pm, you wrote:
>Is there also a "This Is" which would describe something (maybe >everything) beyond the "I Am" aspect of the universe?
The danger here is that we get back into semantic wrangling once again!
However, the ancients used to proclaim "Thou Art That". THAT being all that is, the supreme, the Unity. It cannot be described other than as THAT as any
other words would limit it. This is one of the famous 'mahavakyas' of the Upanishads that affirm our individual identity with spirit.
The phrase I AM can be understood at various levels depending on how you
identify with it.
God bless, Alan
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:17:38 -0600 From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Avatarinventory
Message-Id:
jb wrote:
>The Indian community here have named many of their shops with the word
>guru, >like Satguru electronics.....
Way to go jb! This is a helpful perspective.
amckeon, Manager
Avatars-R-Us
Mr. Avatar Avatars Plus
Avatar Express Avatar-O-Rama
Avatar Ville Avatar World
1-Avatar-2 Avatars Online
Dial an Avatar H & R Avatar
Lastly: Gives a whole new meaning to K-Mart, don't it? Must be where one
purchases them snakey things..... :D Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:28:06 PDT
From: "b bah" To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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If average folks have alter egos,
Do Avatars have alter egos?
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