1998/06/10 15:39
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #447
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 447
Today's Topics:
Re: The Aviator??:--) [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Re: Words and Definitions (Jeanne) [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Re: our very own avatar needs transl [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Re: our very own avatar (Delirium) [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
Simply Different or Greater/Lesser [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
Re: To corrupt beauty [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: Chaos, Order, Fractals, and Chak [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Easy! [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
lightbulbs... [ "Dan Margolis" <Dan_MargolisATnospamabm.co ]
RE: Kundalini [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
Avatar [ tompatterson28ATnospamjuno.com (Tom Patter ]
Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT [ "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no> ]
Easy [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF [ "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no> ]
Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF [ "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no> ]
Re: To corrupt beauty [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ]
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:44:58 -0700
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: The Aviator??:--)
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At 10:21 AM 6/10/98 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 6/10/1998, 10:05:41 AM, jeannegATnospamicon.net writes:
><<Dear ones--another view, literally--this one from a dyslexic reader who
>has, for quite awhile, been reading the name in the "from:" line as,
>Aviator Thyer. It took me awhile to understand why people were upset over
>it. Seemed like a nice name, and Thyer rhymes with Flyer...
>>>
>Harsha: Jeanne that is soooo funny!:--). I could not stop laughing. God bless
>you for providing this unique perspective on the discussion! No doubt the
>aviator flyer (a perfect new name) is enjoying the attention:--).
Quite right. He did say he chose to post that way, knowing it has provoked
such attention on other forums.
There is another word for such choice ... which starts with T.... :-)
Enjoying harmless holy-water fights :-),
Mary
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:45:00 -0700
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Words and Definitions (Jeanne)
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At 12:19 PM 6/11/98 -0400, Avatar Thyer wrote:
>
>Greetings.
>
>
>
>Jeanne wrote:
>
>>But I'll still think of Avatar Thyer as someone happily zooming through the
>>clouds, perhaps a bright, colorful scarf flapping in the winds...hard to
>>undo a misperception.
>
>*****
>
>Thanks for that wonderful image, Jeanne.
>
>I hope that you realize that I consider you, and everyone else, to be
>flying through the spiritual clouds with me -- rather than considering you
>as "lower" to my self.
>
>
>
>I AM
>Avatar Thyer
>
>
As an old Dungeons and Dragons player, I'm getting an image of a potential
Aviator, encumbered by heavy armor, who deliberately jumps into a pool of
pirhanas and yells: "Roll for Initiative, here I AM!"
So the fish obligingly nibble away the armor (and the communication
glitches), and a good time is had by all.... :-)
Mary
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:44:57 -0700
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: our very own avatar needs translating...
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At 05:59 AM 6/10/98 EDT, AfperryATnospamaol.com wrote:
/snip/
> Do you not think that over-use of the term 'avatar' would tend to
>degrade it ( perhaps in the same way that the word 'Bhagwan' was degraded by
>Rajneesh)?
One tiny correction to your excellent post: Isn't Ramana Marharshi also
called 'Bhagwan'? Rajneesh was wonderful, and the name does seem to suit
him, phonetically at least.
Mary
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:45:11 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: The List <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: our very own avatar (Delirium)
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Greetings.
Kathy wrote:
>(once again IMO) you are definitely answering what you
>perceive as negative *with* negative...
*****
Well, we definitely are perceiving this differently.
Kathy wrote:
>That out of the way, what I wanna know is how Kundalini comes into all this
>fussin' over words...is the "heat" we're generating through these posts
>K-fire?
*****
I agree that it would be nice to talk about Kundalini.
Maybe, at long last, it is time to start a new thread.
I AM
Avatar Thyer
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:51:14 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Simply Different or Greater/Lesser
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Greetings.
Alan wrote:
>I feel that you are ignoring this purely human aspect in your equations - our
>sense of the sacred and the need to express it in words.
*****
I understand the desire to express the sacred in words.
However, I honor the sacred in otheres as much as I honor it in my self.
In other words: I consider that folks to be simply *different*
manifestations of Spirit in comparison to me, rather than *greater* or
*lesser* manifestations of Spirit in comparison to me.
I AM
Avatar Thyer
Date: 10 Jun 98 19:28:35 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: To corrupt beauty
Message-Id: <357EDE63.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Jan,
> > corrupt - to desire it? Does the presence of tremendous ego indicate a
> > wealthy `food source'?
>
> Only Self, God, could be called truly beautiful. When the ego catches the
> sight of It and wants more, it means the ego's death-sentence (in the course
> of time). Desire for one's True Nature isn't a desire in the real sense, so
> it won't produce the effects that "normal" desires do. A small but polished
> ego can be much harder to crack than a simple, big one. The big ego only
> requires a few heavy blows at strategic points. As ego is nothing but a
> fact-file with emotions connected, a big one could mean more energy (by
> transforming the emotions) and more wisdom (transforming the fact-file).
I was just trying to comprehend how the tremendous ego self can exist
at the same time as the beautiful true self, and how a person can
reconcile the different outlooks of the two simultaneously. I know I
have a big ego but I also know about the beauty of God. This IS
possible. I must be, or there would never be an ego in existence, and
by virtue of the fact that ego has a seperate pair of eyes hense the
two outlooks. I am trying to understand why it is that a person might
have a lot of ego on the physical level, and yet be very intuitive,
soulful and joyous on a higher level.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
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Date: 10 Jun 98 20:47:39 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Chaos, Order, Fractals, and Chakras
Message-Id: <357EEAA7.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Thyer,
> Sharon, have you ever meditated on fractals? Explored the infinite
> iterations of a mandlbrot?
>
> I've often considered that the Chakras are as fractal-like iterations of
> full kundalini.
That's one way of looking at it. Truly though parts are only parts and
we have to be careful not to think of them as whole - as parts which
are complete, because that leads to dwelling in the past.
I am dubious about chaos theory myself, because I tend to look at the
whole thing with seperation in mind, and so I see it trying to bring
seperation between chaos and order. But all is one.
I notice on explorations of mandlebrot on my computer that many things
are repeated but /never/ with absolute similarity. IOW, there is an
absolute absence of a 100% deception. Deception is a finite thing,
unreal. Although things can be similar, they are never equal. To be
equal would mean that the two things would have to share the same
space, the same existence, the same atoms, they would have to BE the
same object - one object. So as soon as you get close to absolute
seperation - which is likeness and comparison - you meet the absolute
absence of it. Such is the circular nature of things - the two ends
meeting.
So there can only ever be partial similarity, partial seperation. We
might choose to see these similarities as `order' and pretend to
ignore the descrepancies of the fact that they are not an exact match,
and it is with this that I think the ego/mind basically relates with
its invented world. But at the end of the day the /true/ order, the
absence of patterns and comparisons and memory and time and thought is
a /singular/ state of oneness, of which it could be said that there is
unified chaos or infintie chaos, something that is impossible for the
mind to find an answer to or work out or place into logic or build a
framework around. People simply cannot grasp it. It is ungraspable,
and when one has not grasped it that is when it is seen for what it
is. That great mystery, the tremendous mysterious reality, that isn't
/supposed/ to be solved, isn't /supposed/ to be worked out or an
answer found for it, seen in its fullness when and only when you see
that it is a profound and unfathomed mystery, without being moved to
add to it or to alter it or to solve it or to record it.
I dislike it when I hear people suggesting that they have found an
answer to the universe. Scientific approaches particularly. God knows
I've spent most my life trying to accumulate and figure out and be in
a position of comfort and authority. It's gotten me nowhere. There is
a fantastic mystery of God and it has me completely stumped. I don't
know that I am any closer to it now than I was 4 years ago when I
started my `search proper'. When a person is faced with this, that
they do not know, when they give up, that they are completely baffled,
stumped, that they truly do not know, when they find themselves
before the gates of heaven only to see that the place is a
ghosttown, when they have searched forever only to suddenly
realise they have always been walking away from home, when a
person just admits that they do not know jack shit, that is when ...
This is what I've cleverly worked out anyway...
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: 10 Jun 98 19:45:58 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF THE CONCEPT !
Message-Id: <357EE261.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Afperry,
> Alan: Perhaps 'love reversed' might be a better way of looking at it than
> 'suppressed'. Love focused on the little self rather than flowing towards the
> universal will tend to manifest to others as hate i.e. intense self love is
> its root cause. Surely, everything is love ultimately - is that not what God
> essentially is? - but that love has many and various expressions depending on
> how we harness it :-)
Yea. I theorised about a year or two ago that there is only degrees of
love. Right at the bottom in `hell' there is a thinned/compressed
love, but it is still love, but then everything from thereon up is an
imporovement. Ie, not to look down on it from above, but up from
below. Maybe that's still ego though. I have yet to truly put this
into practice. I'm very good with the theory.
I still think that basic universal laws apply at ALL levels. For
example, ALWAYS you see yourself. Regardless of wether you are
projecting major ego or glimpsing heaven, you always see yourself.
There is only self. Major universal law. Man made in the image of God
- the macro and micro levels, but still essentially self.
It must then be possible to say the same of love. Wether you love
yourself on the highest level as one or wether you love yourself on
the lowest level as egocentricity, there is always love. Inescapable
universal law. So perhaps love is not so much sweetness and niceness
and ideology of the highest, but is actually being whatever you are,
ego included, in which sense love is transcendent and everywhere.
And ultimately it seems that these qualities of the one are always
basically the same thing. You can't have egotistical self-centerdness
if you don't `love yourself'. Even on the ego level the macro is
reflected in all its aspects. All of the higher virtues simply have
finite versions. Finite beauty is desire. Finite love is hate. Finite
self is egocentricity. But still always the amount of love and self
that you would /expect/ to find given the degree of finiteness. Not
that it is too much or too little, but that it is the right amount of
love for the given circumstance. It is enough. Ego has enough of
itself to be what it is. The one has enough of itself to be what it
is. Even though there are all these things we pin down as things we
hate, there is infinite love of everything.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: 10 Jun 98 21:23:06 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Easy!
Message-Id: <357EF86B.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
I have to admit that my ego is a nightmare. I am a nightmare. I love
ease. I am so lazy. I would rather have others decide things for me,
and they'd better make a decision I like! I find it so easy to write
stuff. But, for some reason, it is all crap. How unfortuante, that I
am so competent. I am so up for the good life - ideal peopls, ideal
circumstances. It is, in fact, so easy for me to speak and write, it
is astounding. And yet, nothing I say seems to be real nor
demonstrates humility. No wonder I never really knew what that word
meant.
I am complacent, and not the slightest bit greatful. I don't say
please or thankyou or hello or goodbuy. I manipulate everything to
suit myself and try to induce others to entertain my ideals. How lovel
that I find things so easy, so able, so plenty-gifted with
competativeness. Nice of God to give me such wonderful ease. Not.
On the other hand, there is another nightmare. Love is distant and
obscure. I don't know how to give. I am uptight and stubborn and lost
in the past. Reality seems horrifying just as much as is my
non-reality. I can't exist with or without. I am at a loss. There is
no way out. Nowhere to turn. A sabotaged lonelyness.
It is so easy for me to put things into words, those `higher states',
those `wisdoms'. So easily I express. But at the same time, it's all
crap. All a pile of poop. It has no meaning, no power. So empty. I get
inflated with emptyness sometimes, makes me feel like I'm squashed
inside myself. I can't put anything wise of humble down on paper or
say it with me mouth because it's too hard.
Oh such is the bliss of things being easy. A man of leisure. Entertain
me with what I want you to look like! Sitting on my arse stuffing
my face waiting for someone else to sort out my affairs. Rose tinted
glasses, deep, deep dark rose tinted glasses. Everything is rose
coloured. Or maybe red, like hell. But it is impossibly hard being
like this, and yet the alternative seems impossibly hard also. This is
a nightmare!
I am posessive, and obsessive, and deceptive. Lots of I've, lots of
things that `I've become. I've never had it so good! Or so bad. I want
it better! I am so... promiscuous with myself. A tart. Vain and
selfish. I care about what other people think and feel... about me. I
want answers, I seek them always. I have nearly got it figured out
now, I have nearly got it all sewn up. I know how it all works. It's
so easy for me to see all of this. That way things are.
Why can't I just look upon things like a man instead of a child. I'm
unprepared to have badness in my world. So unhuman, so rejecting of
humanity or interaction with it. Eugh, yuck, horrible people, ugly and
cheap and disorderly. That's me, that is.
How come I now feel more relaxed than when I started? That's not
normal. That's not what I expected.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:51:57 -0700
From: "Dan Margolis" <Dan_MargolisATnospamabm.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: lightbulbs...
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How many internet discussion group members does it take to change a
lightbulb?
Answer: 422.
1 to change the lightbulb and post it to the
mailing list that the bulb has
been changed.
14 to repsond and share similar experiences.
7 to caution about the dangers of changing
lightbulbs.
27 to point out spelling errors and
grammatical errors in postings about
changing lightbulbs.
53 to flame the spell-checkers.
156 to write to the mailing list administrator
to complain about the lightbulb
discussion and its inappropriateness to the
mailing list.
111 to defend the relevance of the lightbulb
discussion.
27 to post website addresses where one can see
different examples of
lightbulbs.
14 to complain that the website addresses are
incorrest and post correct
ones.
12 to un-subscribe to the mailing list because
they can't handle the lightbulb
controversy.
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:14:32 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Kundalini
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: janpa tsomo [mailto:j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 7:09 PM
>> equivalents of Buddha, Ramana Maharishi, Patanjali, Shankara, Rama,
> >Ramanuja, Krishna, Yajnavalkya, etc. Women have ever enlightenedly been
> >glowing and they are humble...
>
> What about Arya Tara:) ?
Do deities belong to the list?
http://jeffsutherland.org/tara/
http://www.ism.net/~osel/meditate/21taras.html
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:23:35 EDT
From: tompatterson28ATnospamjuno.com (Tom Patterson)
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Avatar
Message-ID: <19980610.143052.6799.0.tompatterson28ATnospamjuno.com>
Hello Students and Teachers,
Don't know 'bout you, but I would really like to believe there is someone
out there who has really transcended the fog of the almighty ego
identification and can see life as it is, or at least life beyond ego
identification.
I AM
all fucked up
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:53:09 +0200
From: "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT
Message-Id: <199806102257.XAA03264ATnospamumbukta.monet.no>
----------
* Magne Aga
| I have noted on these list, that a certain person goes on and on
| talking
| about "punishment", "superiority", "slaves". No one with spiritual
| understanding use such words.
* Percyval
| "spiritual understanding"...or else he must have no understanding of how
| some kinky and playful people toy with these three terrible words...
|
| i wonder if this will make Magne laugh?
Ha, ha ! I was not refering to kinky plays. I was refering to the Error
concept of some race, sex, nationality or single person beeing *superior*
in Divinity. Spiritual Pride is a pitfall. No that almost every religion
have placed their founder on the pedestal, having made illusionary
divisions and worship of man-made laws instead of Unity with SUCHNESS,
there are still more than 200 millions potensial *masters* in the US alone.
The inner smile is also a spiritual practice.
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:01:16 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Easy
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Hi,
Paul wrote,
>It is, in fact, so easy for me to speak and write, it
>is astounding. And yet, nothing I say seems to be real nor
>demonstrates humility.
>I manipulate everything to suit myself and try to induce others to
entertain my ideals.
etc. etc. etc....
Yes. This is what happens when people live inside their heads. To live
inside your head is to give yourself completely over to the domain of the
ego, which will dazzle you with its magic lantern show at every turn.
Living inside the head is exclusivity carried to a fine art. It is the hard
shell that divides the self from the Self. Inside this thickening wall the
little self, as personified by the ego, finds the safety it craves. It does
not have to be vulnerable to anything. It pays lip-service to its own
rantings and calls them insights; it rationalizes with great craftsmanship;
it both deprecates and aggrandizes itself to the same end---sanctuary.
Living inside the head is to live in fear of the walls crumbling away...for
if they do, then one might have to begin to listen, begin to feel, begin to
live...and that could be dangerous.
Sharon
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:08:17 +0200
From: "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no>
To: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF THE CONCEPT !
Message-Id: <199806102312.AAA03457ATnospamumbukta.monet.no>
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>
> Magne Aga,
>
> I am not sure I agree with your definition of hate. Love cannot be
> suppressed, it is transcendent. Even the scummiest of people on the
> planet are touched by the transcendent love. It is so anonymous that
> they don't realise it, so accepting that it slips in and around
> without arousing them - it comes and goes in peace.
Love is transcendental. Unconditional. Shining on everyone. Shining through
everyone. But we live in mortal vessels. We live in the last veil of
delusions. And we cannot manifest it fully before the mist disappear. The
7th phase of the 7th veil of Isis is almost ripped away; it's rending began
in July 94.
> You can't know /fully/ what hate is because hate is not a full thing,
> not whole. Any definition of it will only ever be partial, because it
> itself is only a part, a fragment, a finite measure. One can only know
> the whole of the whole, from which one sees the incompletedness of
> hate, the pointless of it, the absense of meaning. One can become
> locked in the attempt to full isolate hate.
Very nicely said, West. I do not think anyone can tell me what is the
OPPOSITE of Love.
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:17:38 +0200
From: "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no>
To: <AfperryATnospamaol.com>, <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Cc: <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF THE CONCEPT !
Message-Id: <199806102322.AAA03561ATnospamumbukta.monet.no>
----------
> From: AfperryATnospamaol.com
> To: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
> Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
> Subject: Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF THE CONCEPT !
> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 7:53 PM
>
> Dear Paul,
> In a message dated 10/6/98 4:02:51 pm, you wrote:
>
> >Magne Aga: What is "hate" ? According to my standards: Suppressed Love.
> >Paul: I am not sure I agree with your definition of hate. Love cannot be
> suppressed, it is transcendent.
>
> Alan: Perhaps 'love reversed' might be a better way of looking at it than
> 'suppressed'. Love focused on the little self rather than flowing towards
the
> universal will tend to manifest to others as hate i.e. intense self love
is
> its root cause. Surely, everything is love ultimately - is that not what
God
> essentially is? - but that love has many and various expressions
depending on
> how we harness it :-)
Surely, our little Ego is the misplaced *little computer program*. The Ego
is excactly what it is: It's egoistic. And you cannot punish it for beeing
what it is. In the Delta state, there's no Ego. No antipathy. No sympathy.
Delta is the Stage of SUCHNESS. All is One. Even the smallest, seemingly
insignificant beeing is part of these play.
Let me repost something I wrote to Harsha:
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.... Let me illustrate it with three ways of comprehension.
Imagine a walk in a field with flowers. To look at them, the impressions
from ouside, is possible through our senses of our mortal body (the first
way).
Next, I becomes MOVED by their beauty. What I actually do, is to RELATE
THEM TO MYSELF (the second way).
A Year later, walking over the same field, there grows new flowers of the
same kind. My pleasure of them reawakes. But the flowers I'm looking at
now, grows according to the same LAWS as last years flowers. These Laws
depends neither on my senses (the first way) nor my personal feelings (the
second way). They will continue to grow according to these Laws long after
my death. To realize such Laws is the third way of Thruth and Morality.
The first way is something we take for granted. The second way (emotional
and mental bodies) is to relate things to ourself. The third way (Spirit)
is an ideal we allways should seek to fullfill.
Spirit is SELFLESS in these sense. It has nothing to do with our personal
sympathy / anti-pathy, which can't view things AS SUCH - in sanskrit called
*suchness* (Tat). In Buddhism, Ascended Masters, returning to help mankind,
is called Tathagata, *one who comes and goes SUCH*.
And for those on these list calling *me* a wise *master* ... How can the
*me* possible be a *master*, when no *me* ever have *mastered* to see
things AS SUCH ?
Only the suffering exists, but no one suffers.
The Truth exists, but no one have ever discovered it
The Way is, but no one have ever walked on it
Nirvana is, but no one have ever attained it
- Gautama Buddha
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THE LOWEST IS THE HIGHEST
THE MINERAL KINGDOM OF NO EGO, "NO REFERENCES", "NO THING" (NIRVANA) IS THE
STATE OF ATMAN
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:27:16 EDT
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: To corrupt beauty
Message-ID: <a1b482f6.357f0845ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 6/10/98 3:49:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk writes:
..... I was just trying to comprehend how the tremendous ego self can exist
at the same time as the beautiful true self,
It can't. You are either in or out. Heaven or hell. ego or Self. Avatar or
axe murderer. (I couldn't resist)
....and how a person can reconcile the different outlooks of the two
simultaneously.
Tilt your head? Yes, that's it.
..... I am trying to understand why it is that a person might
have a lot of ego on the physical level, and yet be very intuitive,
soulful and joyous on a higher level.
Well, sometimes I ...... No, I don't. Let me try to explain better.
Today I...........No, that wasn't me. Five years ago..... No, it was
yesterday.
Oh never mind. You'll figure it out.
xxxtg
* I brake for no apparent reason *
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