1998/06/10 12:39
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #446
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 446
Today's Topics:
Re: after the avatar [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
Re: The Aviator??:--) [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
Re: Words and Definitions (harsha) [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
Re: Words and Definitions (Jeanne) [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
chaos [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Dalmation Dogs [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Chaos, Order, Fractals, and Chakras [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
Re: Re: Words and Definitions (harsh [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Chaos, Order, Fractals, and Chak [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Whole Life Expo [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF [ AfperryATnospamaol.com ]
Re: our very own avatar needs transl [ AfperryATnospamaol.com ]
RE: Kundalini [ "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com> ]
RE: Words and Definitions [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
Woshtak teebok wdo <- just causing c [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: our very own avatar needs transl [ Kathy <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com> ]
Re: Woshtak teebok wdo [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
attack dogs :-) [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:42:45 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: after the avatar
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Greetings.
Lobster wrote:
>Of course. Obviously. You will notice how you are never exposed. It is only
>you who reflects others . . .
*****
I am always exposed, Lobster.
I am simply "never" exposed in your perspective because you have an
interest in portraying me as "only reflecting others".
Lobster wrote:
>Ordered? The assumption is that your style is ordered compared to what?
*****
Ordered in comparison to the chaos of my past writing.
Lobster wrote:
>So really your order is just another name for chaos.
*****
Chaos is the order that I have yet to comprehend.
Order is the chaos that I do comprehend.
Lobster wrote:
>You do not even use the word avatar in its prescribed way. No clarity there
>unless we apply to you for clarification. People can not see past your
>'clarity' to what you are saying. So no clarity there.
*****
Yes, I use the word Avatar in a new way that is different from the
exclusive, judgmental way.
The more people read what I am writing and look past others' attempts to
malign me as some sort of Messiah-Wanna-Be, the more they will see the
simple truth of my perspective behind all of the negative hype.
Now it may take some time because my demonstration of inclusiveness and
positivity is rousing a big negative stink -- but when the air clears and
they realize that rather than having climbed up onto the "spiritually
superior" pedetal that some of you seem so desperate to accuse me of doing
I was actually levelling the playing field, they might comprehend.
Lobster wrote:
>You do not seem to have the tools to overcome the verbiage produced by your
>concise speech. In other words we are spending time on the method of
>communication instead of anything of value you may have to say.
*****
As long as you continue to insist that my purposes are negative, or
motivated by negativity (Ego), rather than being positive, the conversation
about my character will continue to spiral.
However, I have contributed other threads on Kundalini and Chakras dealing
with the list's business that some folks who are patiently taking the time
to comprehend my perspective are benefitting from.
If you want to be topical and address one of those issues, rather than to
continue to spiral, let's go for it. I am completely ready to engage a
rousing issue of Kundalini and Chakras. However, if you continue to simply
keep focused on negating me, I will continue to keep focusing on positing
my self in polar comparison.
Lobster wrote:
>You need to stop reflecting and start absorbing
*****
Oh, I am aborbing *smiles* I am definately learning a lot through these
discussions.
Now, it may seem as if I am doing anything but aborbing to you, but that is
because I am absorbing something different than what you want me to aborb.
Simply put: I am continuing to affirm and to clearly demonstrate my
positivity in my letters, rather than to absorb your negative perspective
about that which I am.
Lobster wrote:
>Not so. Nobody is totally aware of all the possibilities inherent in
>meaning. We are communicating one to another - this is the meaning of
>dialogue. If you totally understand what is being said, your emanation would
>change and I would be aware of this. It has not. You still have not grasped
>what is being said.
***
I see that you are choosing to continue to negate.
I will affirm again that for the most part I do indeed *comprehend* what is
being said.
Now as for my "emanation changing" because of "grasping what is being said"
-- based upon what you have written so far the majority of your
demonstration is about negation whether directly (statements about what I
am NOT doing) or through groundless accusing me of attempting to be
"spiritually superior".
My emanation is changing -- it is growing according to my personal
development, rather than according to the particular negative path of
development that your continued attempts to negate me reveals that you are
really interested in.
And of course -- I completely understand that you are reflecting the
negative an aspect of me, Lobster.
Lobster wrote:
>Therefore you can not claim to understand anything but your own
>limitations.
*****
I understand both the positive (the free) and the negative (the limited)
aspects of my self.
But again, I comprehend that you want to tell me what I can NOT understand
for your own purposes, Lobster.
*waves*
I AM
Avatar Thyer
****************************
If you find your self reacting negatively to what I wrote in this letter,
take a deep breath, release the urge to negate, and slowly re-read what I
wrote. I use words very precisely, and sometimes uniquely, because I am
devoted to clear communication. If you still find that you are reacting
negatively to what I wrote, consider asking me about it to clarify the
issue, rather than enacting your negativity by attacking with condemnation.
****************************
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:55:14 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: The Aviator??:--)
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Greetings.
jeannegATnospamicon.net wrotes:
>Seemed like a nice name, and Thyer rhymes with Flyer...
*****
and rhymes with Fire, and Tire ....
*laughs and slaps his knee*
Hey -- as Spirit we are all the same.
I AM
Avatar Thyer
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:09:29 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Words and Definitions (harsha)
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Greetings.
Harsha quoted Lobster:
>The avatar may be true to his needs and completely incapable of
>providing communication that enhances others understanding and moves them
>forward. What they are sensing is someone who has the odour of a teacher -
>but is just using deodorent.
*****
Thanks, Harsha. I missed this particular quote. So I will respond to it
here.
Teachers can be both positive and negative.
Students can be both positive and negative.
I am both a teacher (others learn from me) and a student (I learn from
others).
If I was demonstrating negativity, then I would indeed have the odour of
negative teacher and a negative student.
Since I am clearly demonstrating positivity, I am both a positive teacher
and a positive student.
I AM
Avatar Thyer
****************************
If you find your self reacting negatively to what I wrote in this letter,
take a deep breath, release the urge to negate, and slowly re-read what I
wrote. I use words very precisely, and sometimes uniquely, because I am
devoted to clear communication. If you still find that you are reacting
negatively to what I wrote, consider asking me about it to clarify the
issue, rather than enacting your negativity by attacking with condemnation.
****************************
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:19:24 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: Jeanne Garner <jeannegATnospamicon.net>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Words and Definitions (Jeanne)
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Greetings.
Jeanne wrote:
>But I'll still think of Avatar Thyer as someone happily zooming through the
>clouds, perhaps a bright, colorful scarf flapping in the winds...hard to
>undo a misperception.
*****
Thanks for that wonderful image, Jeanne.
I hope that you realize that I consider you, and everyone else, to be
flying through the spiritual clouds with me -- rather than considering you
as "lower" to my self.
I AM
Avatar Thyer
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:13:25 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: chaos
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Hi,
The "Av" wrote:
>Chaos is the order that I have yet to comprehend.
>Order is the chaos that I do comprehend.
Yes. Mathematically speaking, there is no chaos, but only the illusion of
chaos. Underneath there is always order.
The famous Mandelbrot fractal set contains infinity...as all fractals
contain infinity. The graphical depiction of the Mandelbrot set shows a
figure which to me looks like a Buddha lying on his side. It also resembles
a turtle---which some American Indians believed held up the world. And this
figure---and the infinity hidden inside it---is quite ordered.
An example of order underlying chaos:
At a nuclear power plant, engineers testing the system switched power from
the main grid to a backup grid. Although the switch was for all intents and
purposes instantaneous, on playback the computer showed a definite graphical
area of chaotic activity when the transfer was made.
Curious, the engineers used the computer to zoom into the heart of the
chaos. They found more chaotic activity, but as they continued to zoom,
tiny indications of a pattern began to emerge. And when they zoomed in once
more they found the little Buddha lying on his side---the complete
Mandelbrot set---an infinity of order ranging from the simple to the
unbelievably complex.
Said one of the engineers, "Sure makes you believe in something, doesn't
it?"
Sharon
shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
A new fractal gallery and screensaver was posted to this site, 4/3/98:
http://www.fractalus.com/sharon/
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:23:02 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Dalmation Dogs
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Sharon Webb wrote:
>I always think of myself as a Dalmation dog...
You might want to check out a Science Fiction book: "Vurt" by Jeff Noon.
The main character is a hybrid human/dalmation taxi driver. It's sequel
"Pollen" is pretty good too, but the dalmation doesn't figure quite as
prominently.
I also recommend "Vurt" to anyone who enjoys diving into other worlds and
becoming immersed in them. I tend to use books as if they are drugs, to
utilize one metaphor. This book carries a "psychedelic" charge... so I
recommend using it with caution.
JMHO,
amckeon
*sometimes a good illusion is the only thing that gets you through the day*
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:27:27 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Chaos, Order, Fractals, and Chakras
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Greetings.
Sharon, have you ever meditated on fractals? Explored the infinite
iterations of a mandlbrot?
I've often considered that the Chakras are as fractal-like iterations of
full kundalini.
I AM
Avatar Thyer
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:29:01 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: Words and Definitions (harsha)
Message-ID: <99b3a572.357eb44eATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 6/10/1998, 12:06:02 PM, thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org writes:
<<If I was demonstrating negativity, then I would indeed have the odour of
negative teacher and a negative student.
>>
Harsha: Dear Thyer,
Let us put aside the odor issue for now. I
will respect your request on my personal e-mail to simply call you Thyer which
is your actual name. I think a similar understanding was reached with dear
Peshwani who was signing himself (Shahansha -- King of Kings). Be well, be
yourself. Let others be who they are. God bless everyone.
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:28:44 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, "Avatar Thyer" <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
Subject: Re: Chaos, Order, Fractals, and Chakras
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Hi,
The Av wrote:
>Sharon, have you ever meditated on fractals? Explored the infinite
>iterations of a mandlbrot?
Yes. But not the Mandelbrot. Instead I use my own formulae. And the
fractals are three dimensional in meditation. When I fell sick I had
visions of fractals. I moved along them, through them, and merged with
them. They have a texture of rose petals.
>I've often considered that the Chakras are as fractal-like iterations of
>full kundalini.
Fractals are very simple equations which grow into unimaginable complexity.
To me, a fractal set is like a thought of deity, a momentary glimpse through
the eye of God.
:-)
Sharon
shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
A new fractal gallery and screensaver was posted to this site, 4/3/98:
http://www.fractalus.com/sharon/
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ENC Digital Dozen; Enchantment Award; ArtSearch Featured Site;
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Lotus Light Award; Wave of the Day; Hot Site Award; Critical Mass Award;
Best of the Planet, People's Choice Award, 1998; WS Award; Treasured Site
Award
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:47:02 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Whole Life Expo
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I went to this event when it came to my state. Check out the website (see
below), Whole Life Expo is also coming to:
Cleveland
Austin
Chicago
Atlanta
Portland
They had Tibetan monks there who did a sand painting and then destroyed it
and passed out handfuls of the sand.
Barbara Hand Clow was one of the speakers... although I arrived too late to
see her and there was an audio problem in recording the tapes... oh well,
there was a good selection of her books there. Wayne Dyer and Deepak Chopra
were the big featured speakers... with a line curving around the building
to get into the auditorium for their deal. There were also presentations or
workshops by Wallace Black Elk, Echo Bodine, Shakti Gawain, and many other
names that some of you may have heard of but I have not.
Lots of stuff to buy of course, crystals, clothes, CDs, BOOKS, lots of
information on alternative healing and religions, psychic readers,
astrologers,gourmet vegetarian food, good vibes to groove on...
I bought this pocket "dial a chakra" thingie that is kinda kewl.
This guy was selling this exercise thing that was like a "johnny jump up"
deal that people put babies in so they can bounce happily... But this one
was for adults... I tried it out... Fabulous! I almost whipped out the
credit card on the spot but then realized that I have no room to put the
thing... It is attached to a frame about the size of a refrigerator...
Anyhoo, the friend I went with was a bit offended by what she saw as the
overcommercialization of things spiritual, but I didn't mind. I expected
it! I bought what I wanted and left the rest...
Check it out at: http://www.wholelife.com
amckeon
*Deja Moo... I think I've seen this Bulls**t before :)*
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:53:42 EDT
From: AfperryATnospamaol.com
To: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF THE CONCEPT !
Message-ID: <b78198cd.357ec827ATnospamaol.com>
Dear Paul,
In a message dated 10/6/98 4:02:51 pm, you wrote:
>Magne Aga: What is "hate" ? According to my standards: Suppressed Love.
>Paul: I am not sure I agree with your definition of hate. Love cannot be
suppressed, it is transcendent.
Alan: Perhaps 'love reversed' might be a better way of looking at it than
'suppressed'. Love focused on the little self rather than flowing towards the
universal will tend to manifest to others as hate i.e. intense self love is
its root cause. Surely, everything is love ultimately - is that not what God
essentially is? - but that love has many and various expressions depending on
how we harness it :-)
God bless,
Alan
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:53:46 EDT
From: AfperryATnospamaol.com
To: thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: our very own avatar needs translating... (Alan)
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Dear Avatar Thyer,
In a message dated 10/6/98 3:03:25 pm, you wrote:
>Rather than thinking that over-use will degrade the term, I think that
>*exclusive use* will degrade the term.........................[snip]
>So popular usage of the word *Avatar* as only refering to a specific kind
>of rarified, higher, superior, being causes Avatarhood to become an
>exclusive club for the snobbish elite, rather than an inclusive experience
>for everyone.
IMHO, the need for an 'exclusive' term will always exist because it expresses
the reverence that so many of the population feel. If the term 'avatar'
becomes trivialised, another term will come into being to show the distinction
between just any old avatar and the super-dooper 2000 GT model with go-faster
stripes.
I do not think Christ, Buddha or Sai Baba are 'better' than me in the absolute
sense, but I love and revere them as greater manifestations of the divinity
that we all share. (How you attribute snobbishness to them defeats me
entirely!)
I feel that you are ignoring this purely human aspect in your equations - our
sense of the sacred and the need to express it in words.
God bless,
Alan
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:09:03 PDT
From: "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com, hc19436ATnospamautovia.com
Subject: RE: Kundalini
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>From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
>To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
>Subject: RE: Kundalini
>Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:14:27 +0100
>
>equivalents of Buddha, Ramana Maharishi, Patanjali, Shankara, Rama,
>Ramanuja, Krishna, Yajnavalkya, etc. Women have ever enlightenedly been
>glowing and they are humble...
What about Arya Tara:) ?
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:19:06 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, "Avatar Thyer" <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
Subject: RE: Words and Definitions
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Avt wrote:
> Greetings.
>
> This is my simple definition of an Avatar: one of Spirit's individual
> incarnations.
Jan:
According to this definition, avatar is just a synonym for Mr. or Mrs.,
something nobody needs to convince us of. As no one is using the obvious,
superfluous Mr. and Mrs., why are you using this word that takes a lot more
time to write down than a simple first name... Hardly anywhere in NG's or on
mailing-lists is something else used than a first name. IMO, the use of such
an adjunct serves no purpose other than causing reading problems for the
visually handicapped, of which I am one too. So my first question is, why
use such a six letter adjunct to your name? As the reactions were
predictable, the only reason I can come up with is a study of the behavior
of certain spiritual communities. So my second question is, did you try this
in other groups as well and if yes, what were your findings?
BTW, the ms outlook spelling check wants to change Avt into Vat... If you
agree with using Vat, I can omit another click on "ignore" :-)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:27:56 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Woshtak teebok wdo <- just causing confusion ;)
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At 10:06 1998.06.11 -0400, you wrote:
>>We are all incarnations of the one spirit or God, so literally we are all
>>avatars and you are quite justified in using the term for yourself. However,
>>in common English usage, the word is associated with the highest spiritual
>>beings that we know on Earth and therefore carries with it a special
>>reverence. Do you not think that over-use of the term 'avatar' would tend to
>>degrade it ( perhaps in the same way that the word 'Bhagwan' was degraded by
>>Rajneesh)?
>
>*****
>
>To me, part of the problem is that the term *Avatar* is associated with
>"the highest spiritual beings" -- as if any entity is "higher" in polar
>comparison to another that is "lower", or "superior" in polar comparison to
>another who is "inferior".
>
>In my experience, I have noticed that those who run around telling others
>that they are "lower" or "inferior" are the ones who really demonstrate Ego.
>
>I have also noticed that those who run around groundlessly insisting that
>others are trying to be "higher" or "superior" are also demonstrating Ego
>because by groundlessly accusing another of a superiority complex, they are
>attempting to Separate their target from being positive -- even if their
>target clearly and repeatedly affirms Union.
>
>So popular usage of the word *Avatar* as only refering to a specific kind
>of rarified, higher, superior, being causes Avatarhood to become an
>exclusive club for the snobbish elite, rather than an inclusive experience
>for everyone.
Are you serious with this?
Illustration of my point: why not say we are all computer programmers?
Instead of reserving the word for the snobbish elite, why not give
everybody the joy of being a computer programmer? The real problem is, how
do you call the real computer programmers then. :) You just have to invent
some new word.
<enlightened>
I indeed inhabit all beings, and I am one, undivided and omnipresent. I am
everything, unmanifested beyond manifestation, source and the sole
foundation. Nothing exists beyond and without me, and I am the heart of
every being. Although undivided, I am observed as infinity of individual
beings. Illusion that is me covers the self of all beings that is me, and
One is manifested as multitude. I am the eternally free witness of the
attempts of attaining freedom. I am the undivided Self in all beings that
long for the unity.
</enlightened>
:)
Now tell me why the hell do you call yourself avatar? It most certainly
isn't because you are convinced of it. If I had a signature that said "I am
really Danijel, a human being that lives in Croatia, I'm not a blood
sucking creature from outer space, those are alienated rumors spread by
those who don't understand", what would you think? You would have every
reason to believe that I don't have all the screws in place. You are no
avatar. You are jivatman, individual manifestation of undivided Self.
Avatar is something different, it is used to denote either incarnation of
Isvara (God) or some extremely evolved being far above the human level. The
term is not used to denote incarnations of Self, because Self is incarnate
in everything, I am everything. So in that meaning there are no avatars at
all. But from the relative perspective, there are beings that are
unevolved, and beings that are extremely highly evolved. I can bring two
people to you, Sai Baba and a drunkhead from the streat. According to your
definition, they are both avatars, according to my definition, Sai Baba is
avatar, and a drunkhead is a being conditioned by the lower astral and
physical plane. For avatars, there are no laws of nature. For instance, in
Hairakhan where Maha Avatar Babaji dwelled, there was no law of physics
that wasn't broken ten times each day. Avatar is completely above every
form of limitation. The entire Creation, and destiny of all beings, is
under his control. He is the incarnation of God.
So please, either state that you indeed are an incarnation of God - not
Self, but God - or spare us your attempts to convince yourself of
something, you are just confusing people. I can also state that I am a nazi
racist axe murderer, and that it is other people's prejudice that says it
is bad, that I define nazi racist axe murderer as a person who is very
polite, kind and loving to all beings. G! :)
>I prefer to use the term to include everyone.
Why not use the term "racist" to include everyone, not just some people?
>Rather than thinking that over-use will degrade the term, I think that
>*exclusive use* will degrade the term. Because of this, I think that the
>common way that it is used in English now is already degrogatory. I'm
>slowly working on changing that by providing a positive, unionizing
>alterative to current negative, separating form.
ROTFLMTO :))))))))))))
>Unfortunately, lots of folks have been thoroughly programmed with the
>negativem, separating use of the term that it triggers their own negativity
>and they blindly pounce upon anyone who uses it.
You see, that's the same problem I encounter when I state I'm a racist axe
murderer, <sigh>, us gentle loving creative souls are never understood. :)))
Come on, cut the avatar crap and sign with your name, instead of creating
confusion with inappropriate use of terms. ;)
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:33:26 +0100
From: Kathy <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com>
To: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
CC: The List <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: our very own avatar needs translating... (Delirium)
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> Delirium wrote:
>
> >So, Av, *why didn't ya say so earlier?* Surely you know the dictionary
> >definition of avatar is different from what you have just told us *your*
> >definition is.
>
AT responded
> I did say so earlier -- when I was politely asked by another member of the
> list.
Apologies...overwhelmed by your verbiage i probably "glazed" and missed that!
I got the gist of the rest of your post. I will say, though, that I think in
this case *you* may be overreacting to the people who have posted you
honestly...I perceive (and I may be mistaken but your words say to me at least
that I am not) that you are being *way* defensive and shooting back...where no
shooting is required. Some "consider the source" advice may be worthwhile here
as well...because (once again IMO) you are definitely answering what you
perceive as negative *with* negative...
hey, maybe we have a mathematical situation here...a double negative that
makes a positive?
(the only double *positive* I know of that makes a negative is "yeah, right!")
That out of the way, what I wanna know is how Kundalini comes into all this
fussin' over words...is the "heat" we're generating through these posts
K-fire?
--Blessings and grins and cool cool waves of self-affirmation to us all
God (Kath/Delirium/Goddess/Avatar/whatever!)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:35:16 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Woshtak teebok wdo
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Greetings.
*chuckles warmly*
Nice post.
Continue on the path that's appropriate for you.
I AM
Avatar Thyer
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:44:56 -0700
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: attack dogs :-)
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At 10:09 PM 6/9/98 -0700, Angelique wrote:
>
> Hello:
> I have been observing the "attack dogs" "piranha feeding frenzy" on the
>list,
< humor mode on >
Relax, honey. Our posts are perfect, you're just mirroring yourself.
Your post only tells us about your own reactions/motivations, not about us.
(I'll refrain from mind-reading you. :-)
< humor mode seldom off >
Mary
too lazy to look up the exact quotes
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