1998/06/09 20:01
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #442
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 442
Today's Topics:
yucky feelings [ b bah <happyhunaATnospamyahoo.com> ]
Re:Kundalini [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
Re: 'av an avatar ever after . . . ( [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF THE [ "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no> ]
Re: Kundalini [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: our very own avatar needs transl [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ]
RE: bye [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
Re: Something's bothering me... Help [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: Kundalini [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ]
Words and Definitions [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Something's bothering me... Help [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Re: Words and Definitions [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Signing off for now [ Ori <oriATnospameskimo.com> ]
Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF [ "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no> ]
Re: Something's bothering me... Help [ Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net> ]
RE: Kundalini [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
RE: Something's bothering me... Help [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:00:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: b bah <happyhunaATnospamyahoo.com>
To: pmyersATnospammail.coin.missouri.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu
Subject: yucky feelings
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hi pam, thank you
for your post about the strange way you felt after participating in a
healing(appropriate word?) circle.
'have had the same or similar feeling three times. i've entered
the Berkeley Psyhic Institute feeling ggggreat,and upon leaving
totally drained. this is where i took my first 2 healing classes,
first two meditation classes, and an intuition class.
i learned so much there . it's truly a shame to have my
experiences there tainted like this. the director explained that one
of their teachers, who headed the womens healing clinic was jealous of
me, seeing me as competition. that's a laugh of major magnitude.
i haven't experienced anything remotely like this since!, and
have been in other types of healing classes, workshops, yoga retreats.
a friend and i went to a healing circle last
sat. the first healing group i've seen that was predominantly men.
Two native american haelers, one emergency room doctor, one feng shui
teacher, Most of the people have reiki training. but many use
different modalities. i use, psychic (so called for me 'cause i'm not
at all intuitive,and only feel hot and cold in auras. also huna,
regenesis,reiki,and a sort of diy energy. the latter may just be my
energy ,but i don't think so.
i handed the head of the healing circle an arrow head i had
found while backpackingm and asked him if he could "read it" . i
wanted to know what kind of energy was in it from it's previous owner
and/or manufacturer. instead of telling me this he saidthat it
had beautiful energy, and that i was running three or four kinds of
energy. my eyes got wide i was so surprized, and answered "hmmmm, i
guess so, huna, reiki, regen. and sorta DYI>" he laughed and said
"YES"! sorry i realy ran on, it always feels good to
hear from someone who has had the identical or nearly identical
sensations or experiences. thank you so much for your post to the
list. barb
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:19:34 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: "Anurag Goel" <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>,
<kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re:Kundalini
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Anurag: Hi,
I beg to differ here. Even when we shake hands energy transfer take
place between the two. Hence I think that energy will be transferred
between the two during sex.
Jan:
Energy exchange would be the right expression. But think of the cost... The
efficiency of a typical combustion enging is about 23 %. So there is a great
loss. With sex, it is the same, only complete transformation will have a
yogic benefit. (grin) Don Juan wasn't famous for his yogic powers and
neither was Casanova. For the ancients, bramhacarya came quite natural. When
ego/personality became so dense that bramhacarya was fitted only for yogis,
the various beliefs about sex-energy became popular. So my point was, that
the act of sex causes such a loss that no exchange of secondary effects
could ever make up for this loss.
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:27:09 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: 'av an avatar ever after . . . (Lobster)
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980610182709.007bc4c0ATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
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Greetings.
Lobster wrote:
>You expose yourself.
*****
Yes, Lobster -- you do.
Lobster wrote:
>My style is abrasive, confrontational and sometimes considered humorous. How
>would you describe yours?
*****
My style is ordered, clear, concise with regard to use of particular words.
Lobster wrote:
>You assume that speaking the truth, trying to communicate effectively
>without adapting to peoples perceptions and needs is wisdom. Is it?
*****
When I share my perspective, those who are willing to communicate will ask
me questions about that which might confuse them. When others share their
perspectives with me, I am willing to ask questions about that which
confuses me.
Lobster wrote:
>Obviously. You still are unable to see what is being said to you.
*****
Lobster, I am completely capable of seeing what you are saying to your self.
I am also completely capabale of seeing what I am saying to my self.
Lobster wrote:
>You are channeled? No wonder - you are challanged? Go and find an entity
>that speaks English.
*****
Rather than using the channeling metaphor, I prefer the fractal metaphor.
Lobster wrote:
>You are learning to talk?
*****
I am learning to improve the way I write certain issues.
I AM
Avatar Thyer
****************************
A NOTE FROM SPIRIT
I clarify aspects of the Self that I AM using mediums. This letter
clarifies some of My aspects using the medium of language. This letter is
a revelation of My perspective as the particular individual who wrote it.
Your perspective as the individualization that you are -- your perspective
as the individualization of that which I AM -- may differ.
****************************
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:02:23 +0200
From: "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF THE CONCEPT !
Message-Id: <199806092306.AAA15959ATnospamumbukta.monet.no>
Dear Readers of these list ...
I would love it if You could affirm daily:
1) I AM IMPORTANT. I AM THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON IN MY
WHOLE LIFE.
2) THE DIVINE (GOD) NEVER PUNISHES. FORGIVE YOURSELF AS
YOU ARE ALLREADY FORGIVEN BY YOUR HIGH SELF
I have noted on these list, that a certain person goes on and on talking
about "punishment", "superiority", "slaves". No one with spiritual
understanding use such words.
When Jesus said "Love Your neighbour AS Yourself", he meant exactly that.
Love is unconditional. And in order to love one another, we must love our
Self unconditionally.
As El Morya explained back in 1979, one of the worst obstacles in
humanity's travel back into the 4th dimension is these cruel concept about
"punishment". Mans lack of love and forgiveness often have resulted in a
desire to inflict punishment. He has sought to punish himself and others
not only in cruel physical ways, but also through mental, emotional and
psychic hurts, which are even more devastating and injurious. By turning
his back on his spiritual nature, his oneness with others, he has denied
the commandment to love. He has obsessed himself with the ideas of
punishment.
But the Divine never punish ! Never ! Whatever mistake You do, whatever
error You are entrapped in, it has nothing to do with punishment. It's the
law of cause and effect.
- Punishment in religion
Observe the cruel and contradictionary word "God's wrath", when many
religions explains the law of cause and effect. They have postulated a
vengeful Gud, wreaking anger upon man. They have crucified, killed and
punished millions and billions of souls on Earth. It is extremly important
for us to seek to end on Earth ONCE AND FOR ALL the idea that individuals,
Churces or sects - are given any divine authority to punish people.
Socalled "prominent" churces uses excommunication or ostracism of members
who have broken man-made (not Spiritual) Laws.
LET US RID MASS CONSCIOUSNESS OF THESE CONCEPTS ONCE AND FOR ALL.
- Man made laws
Another aspect we must project an end for is socalled "legal punishment" of
men by other men. Many times, laws are set up to favor a few, and anyone
who goes against those laws is to be punished. And most of our laws are
based on the theme of punishment; it is built right in. If You do not
follow a certain law, there is an automatic "punishment" for it. And those
who have strength, money or influence can circumvent laws. There are people
who want to take advantage of laws, to try to get something out of someone
else for their own benefit, or to imprison them or otherwise taking away
their money or security. Yet do not many suffer if only one is punished ?
If someone is imprisoned, is it only THAT man who is punished ? Is it not
his entire family and others who suffer great hardships ? Let us strongly
project into mass consciousness the idea of eliminating punishment from
laws.
The same applies for parental punishment, and self-punishment.
Remember, The Divine Self in yourself, have allready forgiven You any sins,
any errors, any wrongdoings, you may ever have committed. In troubled
times, we experiece Karma, cause and effect, but NEVER PUNISHMENTS !
What do we do when people and lower astrals attacks us ? The answer is
protection. We must substitute the concept punishment with protection.
Some Months ago, a female friend of mine had a vision about two dead bodies
lying in bags. Later she had a vision of two female, with GREEN and WHITE
eyes, respectivly, vaccinating her from beeing poisoned from something.
Soon thereafter, one evening, I was walking around and around in my
apartment, restless, beeing more and more tense. An energy form entered my
auric envelope, making me completly out of balance. It was one of these
"vampires", one of these lower astral beeings sucking life and energy out
of owns aura, those who create alcoholism.
I began to use Kriya Yoga in order to distribute the energy. And I used an
ancient Indian protection technique, the method of reflecting, giving back
the error, saying "Thank You very much but I don't want You !" Suddendly,
my throat chakra began to rotate faster and faster. Hundreds of
revolutions, thousands of revolutions pr sec, until I lost consciousness
and felt into Trance. I was in these trance in about 3 hours, seeing
clairvoyant a crime scene, inside a house, and two persons told me that the
energy I have sent away from me, have caused two murders. Be carefull about
what You think, they said. Then I awoke suddendly from the Trance. I went
out of bed, I hadn't slept at all (apart from the trance), and in the
Television and on the radio, our nation was in a havoc. A psychotic person
had just shot to dead two Police officers. And the crime scene, the house I
saw inside, was the same.
And these Lady having her visions, phoned me immediatly, accusing me for
having caused the whole scene. It wasn't so. I used protection. Instead of
anger, revenge against lower astral creatures, I used protection. Throwing
them away. Those who are obsessed by punishment, becomes, sooner or later
obsessed by these lower creatures. They are not *evil*. Call them devils,
if you like. But in the physichal World we have deadly spiders, scorpions,
snakes ... They are not evil. They are just on the wrong place. They belong
to the evolution. But they must not interfere in the human evolution. The
two lower astral planes are filled with beeings causing alcoholism, drug
abuse, sexual perversity, rape, crime, murder. Although the door between
dimensions was shot in 1988, so that it became impossible to incarnate from
these realms anymore, we may still get attached or attacked by them. They
are the tools for black magicians. Having experienced black magic attacks
many times, from a certain group, I have managed to throw these beeings
away each times. But what they attracts is first and foremost these
perverted obsession among men to punish each other.
The only Judge is the pituitary gland. It's colour is Green. The green of
grass and ever-green threes. It is the colour of Judgment, discerning,
wisdom. It is a feminine, receiving aspect. Miss Justice is therefore
symbolized by a woman holding two scales without any look at the outer
appearances. The pituitary gland has two scales, three chakras on each, and
it judges wisely, taking into account maybe millions of incarnations when
making balance. No human legal system can be compared in wisdom to these
Judge.
Our hearth is our love center, the male countarpart. And the colour is the
White Light. The Heart and the pituitary glands are Yang and Yin. Love
withouth wisdom is naivity. Wisdom without Love is Spiritual Pride.
Judgement without Love is Tyranny. Discernment without Love are artificial
subdivisions among men.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:13:11 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: hc19436ATnospamautovia.com, anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini
Message-ID: <c88b04e3.357dc192ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 6/9/1998 3:22:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
hc19436ATnospamautovia.com writes:
<< So my point was, that
the act of sex causes such a loss that no exchange of secondary effects
could ever make up for this loss. >>
Harsha: Perhaps this explains why the poor husbands are exhausted the night
after while the wives have a happy glow on their face.:--). Love you all.....
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:36:09 EDT
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
To: thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: our very own avatar needs translating...
Message-ID: <46323ee0.357dc6eaATnospamaol.com>
Dear I Am Avatar Thyer...
Welcome and nice to have you here in our forum. It's always a pleasure to see
one of the new people stand up and not run from the cheers and jeers of the
crowd.
Personally, I like your writing style. I am one of these country gals who has
my own style which is far from intellectual or knowledgeable about many
subjects, and I learn much from the eloquence of writing styles of everyone
here.
I can't speak for anyone else, but me thinks its the title you have put upon
yourself that is causing the challenges. You know, the I Am Avatar thing --
after reading Lobster's post talking about the dictionary (we can look things
up ourselves)... and so I did:
(New World Dictionary of the American Language - *DELUXE COLOR EDITION*, too
BTW!)
AVATAR: A god's coming down in bodily form to the earth; incarnation of a
god.
Quite a while ago, we had a man here on the list with the signature: Dan, One
of the few Enlightened Ones (or something to that effect). He didn't last
long while trying to convince us of his status.
When one claims enlightenment or being a God incarnate, I think we just wanna
know whether to be impressed or not.
Maybe we have our definitions of Avatar mixed up. What is your definition?
xxxtg
* God is love; Satan is 30 and up one set *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:41:31 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Subject: RE: bye
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Paul,
Maybe you can say goodbye to the list-members, K. is going to stay and will
most probably remain for the rest of your life. Everything one experiences
as irritating, negative etc. is just an aspect of one's very own
personality. This is why wordly life as sadhana can be much more effective
than sadhana as a hermit: we become conscious of our limitations and
imperfections. With this type of sadhana one has to endure a bit more than
as a hermit. A velvet-coated forum with only "feel good" posts would IMO do
more harm than good. Of course there can be a difference of opinion between
what still is stimulating and what is becoming offensive. So I would not be
surprised to see you return...
Jan
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:49:18 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Something's bothering me... Help!
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At 5:53 PM -0400 6/9/98, Rick Puravs wrote:
>>Is she just another "attachment"??
>
>no, she is sacred, as you are.....at the deepest level you are both the same
Rick gives you good advice.
If you are taking a poll, put another checkmark in the "Don't be a doofus
and dump your true love" column...
warmest regards,
amckeon
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:49:40 EDT
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
To: hc19436ATnospamautovia.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini
Message-ID: <1d204ae6.357dca15ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 6/9/98 6:22:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
hc19436ATnospamautovia.com writes:
..... When ego/personality became so dense that bramhacarya was fitted only
for yogis, the various beliefs about sex-energy became popular. So my point
was, that the act of sex causes such a loss that no exchange of secondary
effects could ever make up for this loss.
Hoping not to sound naive, but wouldn't this be just a belief?
xxxtg
* Don't read everything you believe *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:11:12 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Words and Definitions
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980610201112.007c3900ATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
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Greetings.
Imtgxxx wrote:
>I am one of these country gals who has my own style which is
>far from intellectual or knowledgeable about many subjects,
>and I learn much from the eloquence of writing styles of everyone
>here.
*****
I am sure that you are knowledgable about your experience.
I have noticed that eloquence is often determined by the discernment of the
reader. The important thing for me, however, is comprehending what you
have to say, rather than determining your eloquence in comparison to some
standard.
Imtgxxx:
>I can't speak for anyone else, but me thinks its the title you have put upon
>yourself that is causing the challenges.
*****
Yes, it obviously is. My tentative conclusion is that this is the result
of two things:
1. individuals who have entitled their selves in an attempt to establish
their superiority over those who they judge as unworthy of their title; and
2. social programming that encourages us to think that a title is an
indication of hierarchial status.
Imtgxxx wrote:
>AVATAR: A god's coming down in bodily form to the earth; incarnation of a
>god.
*****
This is my simple definition of an Avatar: one of Spirit's individual
incarnations.
I prefer to use the term "Spirit" because I associate another meaning for
the word "god".
By Spirit, I mean that which is the All.
I AM
Avatar Thyer
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:09:30 EDT
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF THE CONCEPT !
Message-ID: <9eebdbed.357dcebcATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 6/9/98 6:31:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, magneagaATnospammonet.no
writes:
<< I would love it if You could affirm daily:
1) I AM IMPORTANT. I AM THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON IN MY
WHOLE LIFE.
2) THE DIVINE (GOD) NEVER PUNISHES. FORGIVE YOURSELF AS
YOU ARE ALLREADY FORGIVEN BY YOUR HIGH SELF >>
Will you hate it if we don't?
xxxtg
* Roses are red
Violets are blue
Some poems rhyme
But this one doesn't *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:29:37 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Something's bothering me... Help!
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Hi,
>Rick gives you good advice.
Amen.
>If you are taking a poll, put another checkmark in the "Don't be a doofus
>and dump your true love" column...
Add another checkmark from me.
If God gives you the gift of love, why do you think throwing it away will
bring you closer to God?
Sharon
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:11:33 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Words and Definitions
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Hi Avatar!
>This is my simple definition of an Avatar: one of Spirit's individual
>incarnations.
In your view, does that include all of us?
Assuming the answer is yes, then: why shouldn't we all use different names
so the individual incarnations can be distinguished from each other?
>
>I prefer to use the term "Spirit" because I associate another meaning for
>the word "god".
>
>By Spirit, I mean that which is the All.
I mean, it'll get a little confusing if we all sign ourselves:
Love,
Avatar
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 18:30:30 -0700
From: Ori <oriATnospameskimo.com>
To: Kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Signing off for now
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Hello,
Had a short while, thought I'd stop by and test the waters.
It is interesting to return to a place from which I've received
so much information... kind of like coming home, including the part
where I find myself spending more time deleting posts than reading them.
The vision I received was of piranhas in a feeding frenzy.
Somehow too I am reminded of the story from some tradition
about the student who demands of the teacher that he be taught.
The teacher invites him to tea and begin to pour tea in his cup.
He fills it and then it overflows... and he keeps on pouring.
The student is dumbfounded and asks why he continues to pour when
the cup is full.
The teacher says, "You are like that cup, full with no room for more.
Only when your cup is empty, will there be room for tea."
--Ori
oriATnospameskimo.com
Kundalini Resources on the Web
http://www.eskimo.com/~ori/kundalini.html
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 04:33:12 +0200
From: "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF THE CONCEPT !
Message-Id: <199806100340.EAA17939ATnospamumbukta.monet.no>
----------
> From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
> To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
> Subject: Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF THE CONCEPT !
> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 2:09 AM
>
> In a message dated 6/9/98 6:31:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
magneagaATnospammonet.no
> writes:
>
> << I would love it if You could affirm daily:
>
> 1) I AM IMPORTANT. I AM THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON IN MY
> WHOLE LIFE.
>
> 2) THE DIVINE (GOD) NEVER PUNISHES. FORGIVE YOURSELF AS
> YOU ARE ALLREADY FORGIVEN BY YOUR HIGH SELF >>
>
>
>
> Will you hate it if we don't?
>
> xxxtg
>
> * Roses are red
> Violets are blue
> Some poems rhyme
> But this one doesn't *
>
> http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
>
The answer is no. Anyway, it's an interesting question. You mention the
word "hate". What is "hate" ? According to my standards: Suppressed Love.
Everything is energy, energy in motion (emotion). Hate is energy. It can be
transformed into Love. Sex is energy. It can be transformed into insight.
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 20:46:31 -0600
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net>
To: kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Something's bothering me... Help!
Message-ID: <357DF383.5ADB8D33ATnospamwtp.net>
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> If you are taking a poll, put another checkmark in the "Don't be a doofus
> and dump your true love" column...
Ditto from me.
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:52:22 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
Subject: RE: Kundalini
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Jan:
> ..... When ego/personality became so dense that bramhacarya was
> fitted only
> for yogis, the various beliefs about sex-energy became popular.
> So my point
> was, that the act of sex causes such a loss that no exchange of secondary
> effects could ever make up for this loss.
>
xxtg:
> Hoping not to sound naive, but wouldn't this be just a belief?
If it is belief, why would Patanjali mention it in the first sutra of
practice?
(II,1) Austerity, study, devotion to God, constitute practical yoga.
Purohit Swami comments: Continence, control of the desire for food, control
of tongue by speaking the truth or OBSERVING SILENCE, indifference to heat
and cold, service of the master, constitute austerity. Studying the Vedas
and the Upanishads, pondering over their meaning, repeating OM, constitute
study.
I used capitals to focus attention on what some literally take as a vow of
silence. Ramana Maharishi practiced it for many years. The organ of speech
and the organ of reproduction are in a way linked. Controlling one means
controlling the other - there are scriptures confirming this, but I can't
remember them.
Patanjali continues:
(II,2) The aim is to attain illumination and to destroy afflictions.
(II,3) Ignorance, egoism, desire, aversion, fear, are afflictions.
The Patanjali system is hierarchical. Without the first step, all other
steps are meaningless.
There are many more references to brahmacarya in scriptures like Bhagavad
Gita, Purana, Upanishad. The most detailed is Agni Purana, considering
brahmacarya as the renunciation of the eight degrees of sexual activity. The
word "renunciation" is a misnomer of course. As the taste of the bliss of
Self reduces all one's former pleasures to starlight in the presence of the
sun, the very idea of renunciation does not enter the mind. There is another
mode of explanation. Brahman has no gender. According to: As you meditate,
so you become", a "genderless" behavior will in the course of time enable
one the experience of Brahman (nirvikalpa samadhi). But I remember vaguely a
funny anecdote about Shankara concerning these matters, where he projected
his consciousness into the body of a king who had just died, so he could
experience worldly pleasures with the king's harem, without defiling his own
precious yogic body. The women were so satisfied with the reanimated king,
that they ordered every sleeping hermit to be killed, as they could easily
guess what had happened...Shankara was saved by his disciples and won the
debate.
Jan
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:52:32 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, <shamaneyesATnospamyahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Something's bothering me... Help!
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Adon wrote:
> Is she just another "attachment"?? Even in such love that we share?
> Am I crazy for even thinking about throwing her to the wind? (I just
> hope the wind catches her and sets her someplace safe). Your advice
> is appreciated.
What reason do you have not to believe you girlfriend if:
>She told me that she would remain by
>my side regardless (I wonder if she believes me?). The thought of a
>non-abundant sex life does not appeal to her though, this I know.
Usually, a spiritual life is stimulating so your girlfriend could change her
view.
It seems to me that you require testing and not your girlfriend. At my job I
had to coach students who were often bragging about their relationships. So
I asked them: "If your girlfriend would save a small child from a burning
house, with the sad result that her face would show the scars of this heroic
deed for life, how would this affect your relationship with her?" Only one
student gave the right answer. All others were cured.
Jan
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:59:56 -1000 (HST)
From: Tim Weaver <weave02ATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Hello-
About two weeks ago i was reading the "Sightings" website and came across an article on Kundalini. I was very busy and only had the chance to glance through it, but what I read was incredible. Sunday I went back to read the whole thing and it was gone. I wrote to Sightings for help but haven't heard from them. Could you please tell me the best place to read about this on the internet (money is tight so i can't afford any books right now)? Thank you for your help.
Tim Weaver
weave02ATnospamaol.com
p.s. I'm also very interested if there is a "Grand Master" or something like that I could write to. I'd prefer the U.S. but anywhere would be good. Again, I'd greatly appreciate any help.
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