1998/06/09 11:58
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #440
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 440
Today's Topics:
Re: What can't be cured must be endu [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: too damned many posts lately and [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Question ? [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
Re: too damned many posts lately and [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: too damned many posts lately and [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: too damned many posts lately and [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
'av an avatar ever after . . . [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
Re: What can't be cured...(humor)may [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
Re: 'av an avatar ever after . . . ( [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
Re: What can't be cured..be gone [ freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com> ]
Re: Satguru, Fatguru...(more fun wit [ Kathy <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com> ]
Re: 'av an avatar ever after . . . ( [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
Re: 'av an avatar ever after . . . [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: 'av an avatar ever after . . . ( [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
NOWhere.... (wuz "What can't be cure [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ]
Re: 'av an avatar ever after . . . ( [ "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:38:26 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: gsdonneATnospamiinet.net.au, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: What can't be cured must be endured (Total humor:--)
Message-ID: <d66cdf4e.357d6503ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 6/9/1998, 12:13:59 PM, gsdonneATnospamiinet.net.au writes:
<<Truly Harsha, you are a being of boundless compassion. Even the Buddha would
be jealous.
Harsha: You are clearly a highly evolved spiritual being to perceive things in
this way.
Gsdonne: But wot! There aint no cure for these Avatar blues? Consult the
Upanishads again, dig out the Gita, call up a help desk. Dont fail us Harsha.
Harsha: Doing the best I can. But thats a lot of pressure pal.
>Gsdonne: We have enough to endure already, telemarketers, Barbie spams, and
now Avatars! In my unenlightened ignorance of these matters the only solution
I can offer is hitting the delete key. Maybe not an established spiritual
practice but effective.
>Harsha: Yes wise one. I bow to you for your insight. Indeed, the delete key
has been savior for many. It is the one true guru.
Gsdonne: The One True Guru?? You mean it has been right here in front of me
all
this time! Just next to 'home' and 'end'. Seems fitting somehow.
I am in your debt Harsha.
Harsha: I hope a large check is in the mail.
Gsdonne: You have ended my days of spiritual wanderings.
You must be a guru or at least a Bodhisatva yourself, pointing out to the
seeker what was always in front of him. May nubile maidens worship at your
lotus like feet.
Harsha: May your wishes (at least some of them) come true.
Gsdonne: Um, this is not going to cost me anything is it??
Harsha: There is no free lunch dear one.
Gsdonne: Perhaps I should start up a school, 'The One True Guru' and offer
people
the 'key' to all their spiritual problems. Visa accepted of course. People
could wear the 'delete' key around their neck and attend 'Windows 98
Spiritual Mastery' workshops' (tm).
Harsha: I bow to you O' wise business man.
Gsdonne: Does this mean I'm now enlightened Harsha? If that's the case, then
its: 'Before enlightenment, drinking beer, chasing women. After
enlightenment, drinking beer, chasing women."
Thanks again Harsha, I didn't know all this spiritual stuff could be so
simple.
Harsha: Yes. The key to everlasting bliss has always been there. Use It!
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 12:57:47 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: too damned many posts lately and manipura
Message-ID: <357D698B.A0A331ABATnospammail.snet.net>
Mary Ezzell wrote:
> the asana where you put one heel on top of the other and
> spread knees apart at 180, they're right, most women can't do it, because
> our pelvises are too wide, the legs aren't long enough to meet in the middle.
That's okay. 45 degrees is just fine. ; )
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:57:29 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net, Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Question ?
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Greetings.
This was written:
>Realize there may *not* be any significance to the experience.That's a
>possibility.
>*Remember* explaining something is not understanding.
*****
I consider explaning as clarifying *comprehension* (whether to self or to
others), rather than imparting *understanding*.
For me, understanding is experiencing, while comprehending is ordering
through conceptualizing.
I AM
Avatar Thyer
****************************
A NOTE FROM SPIRIT
I clarify aspects of the Self that I AM using mediums. This letter
clarifies some of My aspects using the medium of language. This letter is
a revelation of My perspective as the particular individual who wrote it.
Your perspective as the individualization that you are -- your perspective
as the individualization of that which I AM -- may differ.
****************************
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:00:46 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: too damned many posts lately and manipura
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>Mary Ezzell wrote:
>
>> the asana where you put one heel on top of the other and
>> spread knees apart at 180, they're right, most women can't do it, because
>> our pelvises are too wide, the legs aren't long enough to meet in the
>>middle.
>
>David:
>That's okay. 45 degrees is just fine. ; )
Ann:
There's still a problem. According to what I read, when a man does it, he
puts one heel beneath the genitals and the other on top of them. I think
it's done to raise the energies while having some measure of control.
You can try to think of something comparable, girls, but we can't do THAT!!
:))))
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 13:45:04 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: too damned many posts lately and manipura
Message-ID: <357D74A0.9DF9CA57ATnospammail.snet.net>
Ann Morrison Fisher wrote:
> There's still a problem. According to what I read, when a man does it, he
> puts one heel beneath the genitals and the other on top of them. I think
> it's done to raise the energies while having some measure of control.
I don't have that kind of flexibility.Thank God I've been blessed with a really
large set of heels.
> You can try to think of something comparable, girls, but we can't do THAT!!
> :))))
Do the instructions specify that the genitals must be *yours*?
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*never challenge a yogi to a game of Twister*
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:46:19 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: too damned many posts lately and manipura
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>Ann Morrison Fisher wrote:
>
>> There's still a problem. According to what I read, when a man does it, he
>> puts one heel beneath the genitals and the other on top of them. I think
>> it's done to raise the energies while having some measure of control.
>
>David:
>I don't have that kind of flexibility.Thank God I've been blessed with a
>really
>large set of heels.
>
Ann: :))))))))))))) LOL :))))))))))))))
>>Ann:
>> You can try to think of something comparable, girls, but we can't do THAT!!
>> :))))
>
>David:
>Do the instructions specify that the genitals must be *yours*?
Ann:
What, do all the work and have none of the fun??
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>*never challenge a yogi to a game of Twister*
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:11:22 +0100
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: 'av an avatar ever after . . .
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His trancandence Avatar Thyer cosmically intoned:
>Rather than thinking that you will "behave conventionally or even according
>to common courtesy", I comprehend that you act exactly as you choose --
>just as I act exactly as I choose.
Lobster:
No my friend, I act as you require, according to my best understanding and
of course I choose to do this . . .
>Yes, I comprehend that this is your position -- and you can have it.
>
>In comparison, my attitude is one of equality. I am share my perspective,
>and anyone who reads my perspective that I share has the option to take it
>or to leave it. I speak my Truth as an individual -- which I comprehend
>can be different from the Truth of other individuals. My attitude is that
>of both a student and a teacher according to how I define those terms.
Your definitions are irrelevant. I question your self motivated behaviour
and rather superior and stilted style of communication. (Hey no wonder
someone confused us . . .)
>We do indeed have different definitions of personal vanity.
>
>As for how it feels -- it feels entertaining and enlightening. It feels
>entertaining because the more the learn, the more I see the humor in anyone
>who attempt to portray my clearly inclusive perspective as only exclusive,
>Egotistic. One of the ways which it feels enlightening is because I am
>learning about the degree to which you will struggle to get me to accept
>that the Dark parts of your own projected personality are mine.
>
>Rather than "trying" to be "honest" in the particular way that you want me
>to be, I am simply am honest -- honest as the Avatar that I am.
Sad. You do not comprehend the hypocrisy of honesty. Your clearly inclusive
perspective is limited - that is the difference between us. You are perfect
in your actions. I am not. You are amused and enlightened at how anyone can
not recognise your perfection - therefore it must be them. It could not be
that they reflect back aspects of yourself. It is only you who are the
perfect mirror - funny that - Avatar . . . honestly Avatar . . .
Perhaps I should let you answer your own communications and allow you to
ascend in a shard of light . . .
>Of course I have "far to go" -- in terms of my own Quest.
>
>I comprehend that it has nothing to do with perspective for you. It has
>everything to do with perspective for me.
And how can we help you - or is it only you who helps others . . . :-)
>I have yet to receive any of your emails reguarding this topic through the
>K-list. In all cases, I have only received them directly from your email
>source. Because of that, I thought that you wanted to engage in private
>conversation -- so I responded to your question accordingly.
>
>Now, I comprehend that you might choose to reject my reason because of a
>desire to proclaim my actions to my Ego. But whether you choose to accept
>it or not is marginal to me because I know it is my true motivation.
Fair enough. Gosh he really must be an Avatar - so noble - such perfection.
All praise the Avatar. Do you train Gurus - I have a rather lax one that
needs some attention . . .
Be Well
Lobster
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:54:37 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: GSDonne <gsdonneATnospamiinet.net.au>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: What can't be cured...(humor)maybe.
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Greetings.
GSDonne wrote:
>Because like you, they want to 'sell' us something. You want to 'sell'
>us your belief in your Avatarhood, till it becomes our belief. Thats what
>any self appointed religious claimant wants, whether it be a David Koresh,
>or an Applewhite, Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Jones, Bwagwan, whoever. To get others
>to believe in their Messiah delusion.
*****
Okay, here is the point of misperception in comparison to my actual
perspective.
You have concluded that I want to "sell" you something. To point, you
think that I want to "sell" you the "Messiah delusion" from which you think
I am suffering (hence your call for a "cure").
These are my actual motivations: I am motivated to share my perspectives
and motivated to receive and to comprehend the perspectives shared by others.
Perhaps you have yet to notice that all I have done in my letters to this
mailing list is do just that -- share my perspective and encourage others
to share their perspectives as well by engaging in conversations -- rather
than declaring, or attempting to "sell", my self as anyone's Messiah which
they must "buy".
But the real heart of the misperception has to do with what we each
consider an Avatar to be.
Based upon your reference to Messiahs, it seems as if you consider the word
Avatar and the word Messiah to be synonymous. That idea is *different*
from my idea of an Avatar. Now, rather than ask me what I mean by the
term, or carefully read what I answered to another about my use of the
term, you choose mistakenly to decide that I was proclaiming to be your
idea of a Messiah-wanna-be.
Like I have clearly written before, each one of us is an Avatar. My
definition is all-inclusive to the point where it even allows folks to
choose to declare their selves as not-Avatars.
Now, you may choose to reject my inclusive definition because of what you
consider an Avatar to be. I respect that as your right as an individual to
make such decisions. But I hope that you can comprehend -- and respect --
that I am operating from a different definition of the term than you are,
and as evidenced from my letters (which is the only way that I can
demonstrate through this written medium) I am behaving differently than the
would be Messiahs with which you are mistakenly associating me.
GSDonne wrote:
>Give us a break mate! The time has past, one would hope, for self
>styled gurus, Avatars, Masters and Messiahs to come crawling out of the
>woodwork in yet another attempt to attract a following to their clams of
>spiritual superiority.
>Positive conversation on the above topices I have no objection to, thats
>what the list is about, but as for pandering to your ego you will have to
>look elsewhere.
*****
Rather than stylizing my self as a Guru, a Master, or a Messiah of any
kind, the letters that I have shared with this mailing list have clearly
demonstrated that I have simply shared my perspective and encouraged others
to share theirs.
I have yet to pretend that as an individual I am free of periods of
Egotistical forgetfulness of who I am. I have yet to ask anyone to "pander
to my Ego", because I have yet to proclaim my self as "spiritually
superior" to anyone else, or to call anyone else "spiritually inferior" for
that matter.
Given the reality of my behavior in this mailing list so far -- as
evidenced by the actual content of my letters and my actual perspective --
it seems as if I have been an excellent target upon which some folks are
projecting their own Egotistical tendancies.
If I ever become forgetful of who I am -- if I ever act out of Ego by
**clearly and exactly writing** that my self is Separate, exclusive, and
superior to anyone else -- I will appreciate someone engaging me in a
discussion that will encourage me to realize what I have written, my
behavior. In such a situation, at the point where I discover that what I
am done is indeed Egotistical rather than simply a situation of semantic
miscommunication, I am awake enough to apologize.
But when I simply share my perspective, indicate that my purpose is to
engage folks in clear communication, and reveal that my perspective of
Avatarhood is inclusive enough to encompass everyone with respect to our
differences as individuals -- and then am groundlessly accused of being an
Ego who is in need of having a superiority complex "cured" -- I find it
hard to do anything but laugh delightedly, clearly explain my position yet
again, then wait and see how long I will continue to be used as a mirror.
I AM
Avatar Thyer
****************************
A NOTE FROM SPIRIT
I clarify aspects of the Self that I AM using mediums. This letter
clarifies some of My aspects using the medium of language. This letter is
a revelation of My perspective as the particular individual who wrote it.
Your perspective as the individualization that you are -- your perspective
as the individualization of that which I AM -- may differ.
****************************
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:02:07 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: 'av an avatar ever after . . . (To the List)
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980610140207.0079eea0ATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
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Greetings.
The exercept of conversation that you are reading in this thread is a
portion of a conversation that has been occurring between Lobster and my
self via private email. Lobster as decided to share this portion of it
without posting any of what came before for whatever motivation.
Since this part of our conversation has now been made public, and since I
am open to communicating, I am open to any questions that anyone may have
about anything that I wrote in this particular letter that you may find
confusing given that it is only a conversation fragment.
I AM
Avatar Thyer
At 04:11 PM 6/8/98 +0100, Lobster wrote:
>His trancandence Avatar Thyer cosmically intoned:
>
>>Rather than thinking that you will "behave conventionally or even according
>>to common courtesy", I comprehend that you act exactly as you choose --
>>just as I act exactly as I choose.
>
>
>Lobster:
>No my friend, I act as you require, according to my best understanding and
>of course I choose to do this . . .
>
>
>>Yes, I comprehend that this is your position -- and you can have it.
>>
>>In comparison, my attitude is one of equality. I am share my perspective,
>>and anyone who reads my perspective that I share has the option to take it
>>or to leave it. I speak my Truth as an individual -- which I comprehend
>>can be different from the Truth of other individuals. My attitude is that
>>of both a student and a teacher according to how I define those terms.
>
>
>Your definitions are irrelevant. I question your self motivated behaviour
>and rather superior and stilted style of communication. (Hey no wonder
>someone confused us . . .)
>
>
>
>>We do indeed have different definitions of personal vanity.
>>
>>As for how it feels -- it feels entertaining and enlightening. It feels
>>entertaining because the more the learn, the more I see the humor in anyone
>>who attempt to portray my clearly inclusive perspective as only exclusive,
>>Egotistic. One of the ways which it feels enlightening is because I am
>>learning about the degree to which you will struggle to get me to accept
>>that the Dark parts of your own projected personality are mine.
>>
>>Rather than "trying" to be "honest" in the particular way that you want me
>>to be, I am simply am honest -- honest as the Avatar that I am.
>
>
>Sad. You do not comprehend the hypocrisy of honesty. Your clearly inclusive
>perspective is limited - that is the difference between us. You are perfect
>in your actions. I am not. You are amused and enlightened at how anyone can
>not recognise your perfection - therefore it must be them. It could not be
>that they reflect back aspects of yourself. It is only you who are the
>perfect mirror - funny that - Avatar . . . honestly Avatar . . .
>Perhaps I should let you answer your own communications and allow you to
>ascend in a shard of light . . .
>
>
>>Of course I have "far to go" -- in terms of my own Quest.
>>
>>I comprehend that it has nothing to do with perspective for you. It has
>>everything to do with perspective for me.
>
>
>And how can we help you - or is it only you who helps others . . . :-)
>
>
>>I have yet to receive any of your emails reguarding this topic through the
>>K-list. In all cases, I have only received them directly from your email
>>source. Because of that, I thought that you wanted to engage in private
>>conversation -- so I responded to your question accordingly.
>>
>>Now, I comprehend that you might choose to reject my reason because of a
>>desire to proclaim my actions to my Ego. But whether you choose to accept
>>it or not is marginal to me because I know it is my true motivation.
>
>
>Fair enough. Gosh he really must be an Avatar - so noble - such perfection.
>All praise the Avatar. Do you train Gurus - I have a rather lax one that
>needs some attention . . .
>
>Be Well
>Lobster
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 11:07:56 -0700
From: freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: What can't be cured..be gone
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> GSDonne wrote:
>
> >Positive conversation on the above topices I have no objection to, thats
> >what the list is about, but as for pandering to your ego you will have to
> >look elsewhere.
amen.
got ego problems of my own...
anyone got a cure for a 7 week weeping spell....
lost my rainbows..
freda
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 13:16:09 +0100
From: Kathy <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Satguru, Fatguru...(more fun with language)
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Oh seekers of enlightenment, read on.
This post is Shakti-charged
(The rate is10 cents per line!)
If you want to achieve enlightenment in these times, you may be in need of a *specialized* teacher. The list of the most popular specialists follows (not necessarily in politically correct order) . For those who really think this is a waste of bandwidth, think about how much it reflects the world today and the quest for instant gratification...Anyway:
If you have lots of s**t from your past, call a SHATGURU.
If you need enlightenment FAST, call a STATGURU.
If you feel as though you've been run over by a mack truck, call a FLATGURU.
If your head is getting too big, call a HATGURU.
Keep arguing with your spouse? You need to call SPATGURU.
If you were a disobedient dog in a past life, maybe you need a SIT!!guru
Troubled by lice? call a NITGURU.
Have lots of skin problems? Of course, your solution is ZITGURU.
A struggling musician (or artist or writer)? Call the HITGURU.
Really, really, really depressed? You need a PITGURU.
Wanting to lose 20 lbs? Call the FITGURU.
A doubting atheist? Call a NOTGURU.
Don't want to deal with humans? How 'bout a BOTGURU.
Drinking problems? Call a SOTGURU.
Really like a little weed? You guessed it...POTGURU.
Live in arctic climes? Maybe you need the HOTGURU.
Totally frickin' confused? Call the WOT?!?GURU.
Want enlightment via mail-order? Write for SENTGURU.
Homophobic? It's time to call a BENTGURU.
Drive really badly? Call a DENTGURU.
Need to get rid of some anger? Call a VENTGURU.
Don't want all the questions answered? Call the HINTGURU.
The bonus question for today is who wrote the song or song with the words "my blue guru?' (heck, i dunno, i'm just askin')
...okay, okay, I'll stop wasting the bandwidth now.
Brightest blessings...Delirium (taking the advice of Swami Beyondananda and getting odd!)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:42:06 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: 'av an avatar ever after . . . (Lobster)
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Greetings.
Lobster wrote:
>Your definitions are irrelevant. I question your self motivated behaviour
>and rather superior and stilted style of communication. (Hey no wonder
>someone confused us . . .)
*****
Since you consider my definitions to be irrelevant -- and since the nature
of this medium (written language) requires the use of words that cause
confusion to be clarified for clear communication to occur -- then you are
telling me that rather than being interested in comprehending what I
actually mean, you are interested in simply presenting your perspective of
what I mean.
And that is okay. You may share any perspective of my words that you want.
Those who are interested in comprehending what I actually mean by something
that might seem confusin can write, ask me, and I will do my best to
clarify for them.
But now, as for my "superior and stilted style of communication" -- well
-- I comprehend that you are choosing to judge it as "superior and
stilted". Perhaps you have known others who use grammar similarly to me
for the sole purpose of upraising their selves as "higher" in polar
comparison to others. If that is the case, I can comprehend why you are
generalizing their communicative style with my style, and I can comprehend
why you are making the mistake of associating their motives with mine.
However, from my perspective, my written communicative style is simply my
style -- and your style is simply yours.
Lobster wrote:
>Your clearly inclusive perspective is limited - that is the difference
between us.
*****
Limited?
I may agree... if you mean that it is limited in the sense of only being
able to express comprehension, rather than to impart understanding -- given
that my perspective is communicated here using written language.
But maybe you mean "limited" in another sense entirely.
In what exact way do you think my perspective is limited?
Lobster asked:
>You are perfect in your actions. I am not. You are amused and enlightened
at how anyone can
>not recognise your perfection - therefore it must be them. It could not be
that they reflect back aspects of yourself. It is only you who are the
perfect mirror - funny that - Avatar . . . honestly Avatar . . .
*****
Lobster, you truly gifted with being able to tell such interesting and
revealing stories about your self.
Here's my version about my self:
My actions are simply my actions. I am entertained and enlightened at how
some people continue to insist that I am attempting to present my self as
"perfect" in polar comparison to their "imperfection". I am well aware
that we all reflect aspects of each other. Any "perfection" that you see
in me is a reflection of the "perfection" that is in your self. Any
"imperfection" that you see in me is a reflection of the "imperfection"
that is in your self. And the same applies to me when I look at you.
But I'm glad that you are also finding this funny.
*chuckles warmly*
Lobster wrote:
>And how can we help you - or is it only you who helps others . . . :-)
*****
You help me by challenging me to be clear. I find language to be a tricky
symbol system to use. Engaging conversation with all of you through
letters requires me to work at my ability to communicate.
You also help me by presenting me with perspectives of the topic at hand
which differ from my own or differ from my own way of communicating it.
Encountering these perspectives enables me to exercise my mind, and that
strengthens my ability to engage future conversation.
I AM
Avatar Thyer
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A NOTE FROM SPIRIT
I clarify aspects of the Self that I AM using mediums. This letter
clarifies some of My aspects using the medium of language. This letter is
a revelation of My perspective as the particular individual who wrote it.
Your perspective as the individualization that you are -- your perspective
as the individualization of that which I AM -- may differ.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:42:09 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: 'av an avatar ever after . . .
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At 4:11 PM +0100 6/8/98, Lobster wrote:
>Fair enough. Gosh he really must be an Avatar - so noble - such perfection.
>All praise the Avatar. Do you train Gurus - I have a rather lax one that
>needs some attention . . .
Yes! Yes, please! (clapping hands delightedly) More stories of the
reluctant guru, now starring a new character: Avatar Thyer!
amckeon
(sitting in the dugout)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:49:17 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: 'av an avatar ever after . . . (Lobster)
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At 2:42 PM -0400 6/10/98, Avatar Thyer wrote:
>You help me by challenging me to be clear. I find language to be a tricky
>symbol system to use. Engaging conversation with all of you through
>letters requires me to work at my ability to communicate.
You have certainly come to the right place. Welcome to the labyrinth!
warm chuckles back at'cha,
amckeon
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:50:17 EDT
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
To: fredaATnospamnwlink.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: NOWhere.... (wuz "What can't be cured...be gone")
Message-ID: <5b1804f0.357d83ebATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 6/9/98 2:04:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fredaATnospamnwlink.com
writes:
.... lost my rainbows..
freda
Wonderful! You are now standing right smack dab in the middle of one so you
can't see the forest for the trees....
You are the rainbow now. Quit yer weeping sweet Freda and begin to enjoy
being instead of just seeing.
I love you (and even when you weren't a rainbow),
xxxtg
* In the beginning there was nothing.
God said, "Let there be light."
And there was still nothing,
but everybody could see it *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 11:52:48 PDT
From: "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
Subject: Re: 'av an avatar ever after . . . (Lobster)
Message-ID: <19980609185248.14690.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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face piles of trials with smiles,
(moody blues, threshold of a dream)
wandering onher own purple vien of the labyrinth.
(look out for the clapping trees....)
ok now a real question,
Is the 'hara' in Ch'an buddhism/martial arts the same as the navel
chakra? i can feel a swirly effect there when i sit in meditation using
the 'cosmic mudra' of zen.
and no one answered my feet question either...why does full lotus cause
a energy-upward sensation? weird....
--janpa
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