1998/06/09 09:39
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #439
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 439
Today's Topics:
Re: too damned many posts lately [ Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net> ]
Re: too dammned many...... [ Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net> ]
RE: too damned many posts lately and [ Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net> ]
Re: Peace [ Dave08812ATnospamaol.com ]
Re: question [ "Paul Torres" <island_11ATnospamhotmail.co ]
Question ? [ "Paul Torres" <island_11ATnospamhotmail.co ]
Call me by my true names (was "what [ jenny.hillATnospammail.utexas.edu (Jenny) ]
Re: bye [ "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.co ]
Re: bye [ vcooper <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> ]
RE: kundalini [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: Question ? [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
SATGURU OR A FATGURU (WHICH ONE?) [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: SATGURU OR A FATGURU (WHICH ONE? [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Hi! [ "Jhampa Tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com ]
Re: Question ? [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: What can't be cured...(humor)may [ GSDonne <gsdonneATnospamiinet.net.au> ]
What can't be cured must be endured [ GSDonne <gsdonneATnospamiinet.net.au> ]
RE: too damned many posts lately and [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:39:06 -0400
From: Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: too damned many posts lately
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... may I suggest you take up masturbation.
>It is not the most satisfying hobby, it isn't very productive,
Oh, I don't know. It all depends on the time, the place and the opportunity. ;)
See, I've wasted almost no bandwith with this. LOL
Love, Am
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:54:51 -0400
From: Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: too dammned many......
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... may I suggest you take up masturbation.
>It is not the most satisfying hobby, it isn't very productive,
Oh, I don't know. It all depends on the time, the place and the opportunity. ;)
See, I've wasted almost no bandwith with this. LOL
Love, Am
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:54:49 -0400
From: Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: too damned many posts lately and manipura
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Women cannot perform these remarkable feats because they are defectively
designed.
Hmmmmmm, I think I let this one pass by. THIS TIME! ;)
JOY
Am
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:20:00 EDT
From: Dave08812ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Peace
Message-ID: <909870f5.357cb7f9ATnospamaol.com>
Reminds me of the time I had a bunch of warts on my foot when I was young and
my mother took me to a doctor that used burning cold liquid nitrogen. She
spent $75 for the treatment. Anyway I was so scared I ran out of the office.
She was really pissed with me, but two weeks later the warts fell of anyway. I
guess they got scared off.
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 21:25:19 PDT
From: "Paul Torres" <island_11ATnospamhotmail.com>
To: shawebbATnospamyhc.edu, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org
Subject: Re: question
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>Greetings.
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>
>Sharon Webb asked:
>
>>Why is it that Avatar Thyer sounds so much like lobster?
>
>*****
>
>Sharon, perhaps I sound like lobster to you because perhaps you are
>noticing some similarities between the perspectives of my incarnation
and
>the perspectives lobster's incarnations. Perhaps I sound like lobster
to
>you because you are also noticing some sort of similarities our writing
>style.
>
>I say "perhaps" because I have yet to become familiar with lobster's
>perspectives, and lobster's writing style, enough to also notice our
>similarities.
>
>Now, just as you can notice the similarities between our incarnations,
if
>you so choose you can also notice our differences.
>
>
>
>
>I AM
>Avatar Thyer
>
>
>****************************
>
>A NOTE FROM SPIRIT
>
>I clarify aspects of the Self that I AM using mediums. This letter
>clarifies some of My aspects using the medium of language. This letter
is
>a revelation of My perspective as the particular individual who wrote
it.
>Your perspective as the individualization that you are -- your
perspective
>as the individualization of that which I AM -- may differ.
>
>****************************
>
>
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 21:37:07 PDT
From: "Paul Torres" <island_11ATnospamhotmail.com>
To: shawebbATnospamyhc.edu, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org
Subject: Question ?
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I had an experience when I was younger, and I was looking for a
possible explaination of where I stand. I was doing a meditation that I
read in a book. It was called void. It was the last of five
meditations which corresponded to earth, water fire, wind, and void. I
was lying awake in my bed at around one o'clock, when I decided to try
this meditation even though I had not become proficient at the wind
meditation. (one is supposed to do them in order. The meditation
consisted of a hand position, and a breathing technique. I closed my
eyes lightly, ( I cjould just make out black and white distinctions,
nothing else.) I began to slowly drift into another place.
I began to feel as though I was being pulled to my back left
shoulder, and I felt as though I was curling up into the fetal position,
yet I knew that I was still in my bed physically. I began to see a
glittering all around until it looked like I was out in space. I felt
as though I actually was out in space. By this time the gentle pull had
begun to spin me, and I was totally curled up. There was a streetlamp
which was shining into the corner of my eye, and it became what felt
like the sun, or some other comparable star. I felt as though I was the
earth, and I was so peacefully spinning. I felt more peaceful then than
I can seem to comprehend now. Ever since then I have felt as though
there is nothing that I do not know, just endless amounts that I have
forgotten. I had no other wierd physical sensations and I have never
totally repeated this experience totally, but I remember it clearly. It
was as if I was in some sort of conversation where I didn't speak, yet I
still heard.
I have had wierd experiences before my bedtime since I could remember.
Many times patterns of lights would lull me to sleep, or blinking eyes,
unfamiliar people's faces, and a few others when I was young. I went
numb for a few years, hoping not to find all of the pain that I could
forsee, wishing to be average, but recently I have come to regard my
abnormalities as being valuable. I am just looking for interpretations
of my experience. (I gave some background as context.)
I thank you for your time,
A wandering philosopher
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 01:08:35 -0500
From: jenny.hillATnospammail.utexas.edu (Jenny)
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: cttlemanATnospampbsnewton.com
Subject: Call me by my true names (was "what can't be cured...")
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I thought I'd join this thread so as to have an opportunity to share one of
my favorite poems....
John Heaton wrote:
>>GSDonne wrote:
>> ps: I note the previous spiritual semantics about everyone being an Avatar
>> because they are all part of "The One", yadda, yadda.
>> Does that also imply we are all axe murderers, drug addicts, child molesters
>> etc because "The One" is also experiencing these aspects of being??
> Yes. Kinda puts a little stress on an individual if this is viewed from
>the self perspective. Seems a good idea to accept unconditionally all
>aspects of our Self if our self is to flourish and learn.
>Avatar, child molester...you are right, there is no ultimate
>difference. To love one less than the other points to an area that needs
>some attention. Kewl how that works out eh?
> <snip>
>Just a thought...
>John :)
I am the mayfly metamorphosing in the surface of the river
and I am the bird which, when spring comes, arrives in time
to eat the mayfly
I am the frog swimming happily in the clear water of a pond,
and I am also the grass-snake who, approaching in silence,
feeds itself on the frog
I am the child in Uganda, all skin and bones,
my legs as thin as bamboo,
and I am the arms merchant, selling deadly weapons to Uganda
I am the 12-year-old girl, refugee on a small boat,
who throws herself in the ocean after being raped by a sea pirate,
and I am the pirate, my heart not yet capable of seeing and loving
I am a member of the member of the ruling party, with plenty of power and
death in my hands
and I am the rebel leader, who has to pay the price of leading the downtrodden,
dying slowly at the hands of my torturer
My joy is like spring, so warm it makes flowers bloom in all walks of life.
My pain is like a river of tears, so full it fills up the four oceans
Please call me by my true names, so I can hear all my cries
and my laughs at once,
so I can see that my joy and pain are one.
Please call me by my true names, so I can wake up,
and so the door of my heart can be left open
the door of compassion.
--Thich Nhat Hahn
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 01:05:47 PDT
From: "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: bye
Message-ID: <19980609080548.24941.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Dear Paul,
>Hello.
>
>I haven't been here very long, and I wont be much longer either.
>I'm sorry but I cannot `explain myself' to those of you that grossly
Most are unable to 'explain oneself' ...
This is "common"/"normal" :-)
>misinterpret some of the things I write. Underneath my apparent
Misinterpreting things is human. I would be VERY surprised if nothing
shared here was misinterpreted or misunderstood.
If something is misunderstood one can always try to tell it in another
way...
Try starting to understand yourself first...
(How hard you try, you can't make others always to understand you :-))
>coldness there is a warm heart. People have always found it difficult
>to understand this.
>
>I do not know how to unsubscribe from the list so someone will have to
>inform me. Maybe that would be the only thing I'd ever listen to, eh?
>
You listen more than you think, but maybe you were not aware of it.
>Some of you have been nice. Some haven't. I've written some good
>stuff, and some crap stuff. And you're probably right, I don't love
Aren't human beings like that (some nicer than others)?
Try to be milder on yourself and allow to LOVE YOURSELF, for you ARE a
beautiful being but are maybe not aware of that. We are all alike, but
until the moment that one does not realize/sense that, it is merely
'empty' words...
Try start loving yourself (more) and you'll see that automatically
you'll start loving others (more) as well...
Even if it is a fact that you do not love yourself much, you can always
CHOOSE to go on like that or take a U-turn and start loving you a bit
more! It's up to you, dear Paul.
>myself very much. I don't feel I belong here anymore, and obviously
>I'm not good enough to stay, so I'm leaving.
>
Change the way you feel and you will see you belong everywhere!
You are not good enough... ???
Is there a requirement that one has to pass before being part of this
list? (If there is one dear K-list members, I would like to know that)
If you started here with a purpose in your mind and that purpose had
(any) links to kundalini, and you STILL have that same purpose, why
would you leave then? You have contributed to this list more than you
think (at least for me).
Paul, whatever you decide to do, I thank you for sharing here your
experiences/thoughts/views with us.
Lately there has been some 'negativity' in the air hanging around this
list. It seems to be easier to look at the 'bad' things of others before
(re)examining oneself...
Much Love to all of you...
>Thanks,
>
>--
>Paul.
Love and Joy,
Jose
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 04:16:08 -0400
From: vcooper <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: Jose Arroyo <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: bye
Message-ID: <357E07D0.6084ATnospamptialaska.net>
Jose Arroyo wrote:
<snip>
> Lately there has been some 'negativity' in the air hanging around this
> list. It seems to be easier to look at the 'bad' things of others before
> (re)examining oneself...
nonsense! we're all totally *charming* always!
;-)
vc
ps (paul, you THINK too much!)
************************
"...To baldly go where the hand of man has never set foot before."
Valerie Cooper * http://geocities.com/SoHo/7982/
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:40:09 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: jb <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, ahmad elkot <ameATnospammindspring.com>
Subject: RE: kundalini
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Hi,
I beg to differ here. Even when we shake hands energy transfer take
place between the two. Hence I think that energy will be transferred
between the two during sex.
Love,
Anurag
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, jb wrote:
>
>
> ahmad wrote:
> > hi
> > I wonder if the sexual way is the only way to awaken kundalini, and if
> > you make love with another practisioner what about ethics and morals.
> > Like I heard that when you have sex with someone your energies get mixed
> > together so you become married in the eyes of god.
> > someone who wants to awaken his
> >
> > kundalini(a seaker)
>
> Both awakening and raising K. is the result of what could by called a
> "surplus" of life-energy. So it isn't "just" sex, one might say it is the
> transformed (as opposed to suppressed) energy of all impulses and passions.
> The ultimate goal of K. is Self-realization and in this perspective making
> love doesn't have a high priority, unless it is to keep up lineage. Having
> sex doesn't mean energies become mixed, but because of the strong bonding
> that sex causes, your lot will be tied to that of your partner.
>
> Jan
>
>
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:53:26 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Pat Panza <enlightATnospamsgi.net>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Hi Pat,
The problem is that one doesn't know one's self. If one knows
than there is no need for practices. Well u can't just state
that " Teachers can mislead u " . What were ur practices.
Living the saintly life and doing nothing what u have mentioned
will surely awaken kundalini. These practices only help one
realising to live a saintly life. That's what I think.
Love,
Anurag
On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Pat Panza wrote:
> There are many useless ideas surrounding Kundalini. ALL my spiritual
realizations happened without cleansings, breath work,
physical postures, etc. Some say one must desire to self-realization,
and others say to desire nothing. I wanted kundalini and much more,
and am still reaping the benefits. I contend that one MUST follow one's
own path, one's own way. Teachers can mislead you. Who knows one better
than one's Self? Follow you ardent desire for God, and one day
enlightenment will be realized.
>
>
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:00:56 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: sunil sharma <sapanaallrightnoATnospamhotmail>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Find a SATGURU
Love,
Anurag
On Sat, 6 Jun 1998, sunil sharma wrote:
> The theoretical and practical aspects of Kundalini has interesred me a lot.I have also been meditating for the last 2 years without any powerful effects. I would be interested to try kundalini.I read one book on kundalini. It revolved more around the chakras and devlopmental issues associated with these chakras but said nothing about specific meditation exercises.Maybe somebody can suggest me a book that gives directions on the practice of Kundalini.
>
>
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:56:53 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: "Paul Torres" <island_11ATnospamhotmail.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Question ?
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Greetings, Paul Torres.
You wrote:
>I had an experience when I was younger, and I was looking for a
>possible explaination of where I stand.
*****
One of the things that I am learning is that the individual who has a given
experience is the best person to explain their experience to others.
So rather than attempt to explain your experience for you, I encourage you
to continue focusing on learning how to explain the significance of your
experience to your self -- and I encourage you to continue to share your
insights about your experience with those of us who are interested in
learning more about it.
How do you use your abilities?
I AM
Avatar Thyer
****************************
A NOTE FROM SPIRIT
I clarify aspects of the Self that I AM using mediums. This letter
clarifies some of My aspects using the medium of language. This letter is
a revelation of My perspective as the particular individual who wrote it.
Your perspective as the individualization that you are -- your perspective
as the individualization of that which I AM -- may differ.
****************************
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:39:42 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in, sapanaallrightnoATnospamhotmail
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: SATGURU OR A FATGURU (WHICH ONE?)
Message-ID: <fc47cc2b.357d3b20ATnospamaol.com>
On Sat, 6 Jun 1998, sunil sharma wrote:
> The theoretical and practical aspects of Kundalini has interesred me a lot.I
have also been meditating for the last 2 years without any powerful effects. I
would be interested to try kundalini.>>
In a message dated 6/9/1998, 7:50:48 AM, anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in
writes:
<<Find a SATGURU
Harsha: Or Find a FATGURU :--) ___ Thank you. (Sorry, I am just a kid at
heart).
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:13:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
cc: anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in, sapanaallrightnoATnospamhotmail,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: SATGURU OR A FATGURU (WHICH ONE?)
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On Tue, 9 Jun 1998 Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com wrote:
> <<Find a SATGURU
>
> Harsha: Or Find a FATGURU :--) ___ Thank you. (Sorry, I am just a kid at
> heart).
i was thinking STANDGURU.....
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 07:34:18 PDT
From: "Jhampa Tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Hi!
Message-ID: <19980609143418.12381.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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its me, new email account!
:)
--jt
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 11:27:12 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Question ?
Message-ID: <357D5450.9529945BATnospammail.snet.net>
Avatar Thyer wrote:
> I encourage you
> to continue focusing on learning how to explain the significance of your
> experience to your self --
Realize there may *not* be any significance to the experience.That's a
possibility.
*Remember*
explaining something is not understanding.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:07:30 +0800
From: GSDonne <gsdonneATnospamiinet.net.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: What can't be cured...(humor)maybe.
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980729160730.006bd25cATnospammail.iinet.net.au>
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>
>
>GSDonne wrote:
>
>>We have enough to endure already, telemarketers, Barbie spams, and now
>Avatars!
>
>*****
>Avatar Thyer wrote:
>I am curious -- in what way do you think that I am like a telemarketer and
>a Barbie spammer, and why do you think this?
Because like you, they want to 'sell' us something. You want to 'sell'
us your belief in your Avatarhood, till it becomes our belief. Thats what
any self appointed religious claimant wants, whether it be a David Koresh,
or an Applewhite, Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Jones, Bwagwan, whoever. To get others
to believe in their Messiah delusion.
>
>For now, I speculate that you might be thinking that I either want
>something from you or am attempting to insult your sensibilities in some way.
Both are true. As mentioned above, you want my belief, my acceptance of
your 'calm statement of Avatarhood'. If the above examples werent so tragic
in the devastation they wrought in people's lives, then your similar claims
would be only laughable, rather than insulting to my intelligence.
Give us a break mate! The time has past, one would hope, for self
styled gurus, Avatars, Masters and Messiahs to come crawling out of the
woodwork in yet another attempt to attract a following to their clams of
spiritual superiority.
I am interested in listening to your positive
>perspectives about both Spirit and Kundalini. Of course, you can choose
>not to engage.
Positive conversation on the above topices I have no objection to, thats
what the list is about, but as for pandering to your ego you will have to
look elsewhere.
>
<snip>
>
>My question is: understanding this, which do you choose to enact as an
>individual, Darkness or Brightness?
A rhetorical question I assume? But like many souls, I have
experienced/am experiencing both.
>>Wouldn't it be easier if we just were ourselves without all this 'I AM'
>>stuff, or is that too complicated/simple??
>It is indeed easier -- if you conclude that it is too hard for you to
>comprehend that this "I AM stuff" is simply another way of positive self
>expression.
It was a rhetorical question.
The 'I AM', Cosmic Consciousness, whatever term you wish to use, has never
been 'hard' for me to comprehend as more understanding occurs with each
experience.
regards,
gsdonne
"Hes not the Messiah, he's just a naughty boy" Monty Python, "Life of
Brian"
You may like to watch this movie Thyer, if you havent already. Its a hoot
and one of the reasons I cant and will not take you or anybody else
seriously as an 'Avatar'.
Also I would reccomend
Wilhelm Reich, 'The Psychology of Mass Facism'. He goes into the
psychology and the energy state of those people who seek power and have the
need to wear uniforms, medals and titles, military or religious. He also
covers the psychology of those who need to follow such people.
Pity the now deceased followers of some of the above mentioned
'enlightened spiritual leaders' hadn't read the book.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:07:41 +0800
From: GSDonne <gsdonneATnospamiinet.net.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: What can't be cured must be endured (Total humor:--)
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>Gsdonne: I read your words and weep Harsha. Surely with all your wisdom and
experience you must have a cure for self appointed 'I AM Avatars'!!!
>Harsha: I waited to respond to your post so that your tears would be dry by
now and you could actually read again. I have no cures. You may commence
weeping again.
Truly Harsha, you are a being of boundless compassion. Even the Buddha would
be jealous.
But wot! There aint no cure for these Avatar blues? Consult the Upanishads
again, dig out the Gita, call up a help desk. Dont fail us Harsha.
>Gsdonne: We have enough to endure already, telemarketers, Barbie spams, and
now Avatars! In my unenlightened ignorance of these matters the only solution
I can offer is hitting the delete key. Maybe not an established spiritual
practice
but effective.
>Harsha: Yes wise one. I bow to you for your insight. Indeed, the delete key
has been savior for many. It is the one true guru.
The One True Guru?? You mean it has been right here in front of me all
this time!
Just next to 'home' and 'end'. Seems fitting somehow.
I am in your debt Harsha. You have ended my days of spiritual wanderings.
You must be a guru or at least a Bodhisatva yourself, pointing out to the
seeker what was always in front of him. May nubile maidens worship at your
lotus like feet.
Um, this is not going to cost me anything is it?? I have heard stories of
Gurus, Masters, Popes and the like charging people vast sums of money for
what people already possessed. Much like a government really, but the
government doesn't promise enlightenment when it takes your money. (give
them time, if it will win a few votes, they will)
Perhaps I should start up a school, 'The One True Guru' and offer people
the 'key' to all their spiritual problems. Visa accepted of course. People
could wear the 'delete' key around their neck and attend 'Windows 98
Spiritual Mastery' workshops' (tm)
Does this mean I'm now enlightened Harsha? If that's the case, then
its: 'Before enlightenment, drinking beer, chasing women. After
enlightenment, drinking beer, chasing women."
Thanks again Harsha, I didn't know all this spiritual stuff could be so
simple.
John Heaton wrote:
>Yes. Kinda puts a little stress on an individual if this is viewed from
>the self perspective. Seems a good idea to accept unconditionally all
>aspects of our Self if our self is to flourish and learn.
> Avatar, child molester...you are right, there is no ultimate
>difference. To love one less than the other points to an area that needs
>some attention. Kewl how that works out eh?
> Hope this thought doesn't cause too many pple to lose sleep.:)
Perhaps if more people did lose sleep over this thought, we could
continue our journey and get beyond axe murderers, Avatars and
molesters. (and Barbie spam *S*)
I wish! I wish! That would be true bliss. (I'm not too sure about the barbie
spam tho, I didnt get mine :(
Maybe we could put the axe murderers and the Avatars together?? Perhaps
the problem would resolve itself, or half solve itself?
I'm willing to give it a go if they are.
gsdonne
The Newly Enlightened One
Founder of 'The One True Guru', school of Spiritual Problem Solving.
Author of : 'Delete your way to Spiritual Fulfilment'.
'The Buddha never had a keyboard'.
'101 Great Beer Recipes'
books, tapes and T Shirts advailable.
Private consultations by appointment. Visa and Master card accepted.
Keep those offers of money and marriage pouring in folks.
"Imagine there's no heaven, and no religion too," 'Imagine' John
Lennon
'Humanity, when will you wake up?. Leonardo.
A note from Spirit;
No electrons were bruised or abused in this post.
Some protons got their asses whipped tho, but they deserved it. And they
didnt complain. hmm, I sometimes wonder about those protons.
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 09:26:03 -0700
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: too damned many posts lately and manipura
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At 11:54 PM 6/8/98 -0400, Am wrote:
>Women cannot perform these remarkable feats because they are defectively
>designed.
>
>Hmmmmmm, I think I let this one pass by. THIS TIME! ;)
Not to go digging into whatever this was really all about.... :-)
But if they mean the asana where you put one heel on top of the other and
spread knees apart at 180, they're right, most women can't do it, because
our pelvises are too wide, the legs aren't long enough to meet in the middle.
Cut some slack for international vocabulary glitches? I heard of a yoga
manual (Sri Lanka?) that said, "Those troubled with puss in the ears should
avoid the topsy-turvy poses."
Mary
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