1998/06/08 20:39
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #438
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 438
Today's Topics:
Re: Kundalini and Chakras [ vcooper <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> ]
Re: Kundalini and Chakras [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: Kundalini and Chakras--II [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: Kundalini and Chakras [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: Kundalini and Chakras [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
kundalini article to appear [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Re: Kundalini and Chakras [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
sorry [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Re: Kundalini and Chakras [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
RE: The Upanishads, Heart, and the S [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Re: Kundalini and Chakras [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: i am?? [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Re: Kundalini and Chakras [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Kundalini and Chakras [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Re: Peace [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
RE: Moving the list.. was Re: Barbie [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: i am?? [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
RE: The Upanishads, Heart, and the S [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
Re: What can't be cured must be endu [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:17:24 +0000
From: vcooper <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: Sharon Webb <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini and Chakras
Message-ID: <357BC82F.37AEATnospamptialaska.net>
Sharon Webb wrote:
<snip>
> The picture is NOT what I had in mind at all. I don't even think I like it.
> But it gives me more k chills to look at it---which it didn't before.
>
> ?????
>
> Input, folks?
Sharon, are you describing that your *art* project just took over &
developed into a whole new scene without your imput?
And, you connect the project's spheres with the 'chakras as spheres'
post which was giving you the shakes earlier?
wow... I know how art & music & poetry can be real powerful & birth
themselves via the mediums.
Can you show us this *art* project, when it's done doing it's thing?
How is the influence from the post; uh - whose, uh - WHOSE POST IS/WAS
THAT, originally? What's the connection here?
vc
************************
Someone who thinks logically is a nice contrast to the real world.
Valerie Cooper * http://geocities.com/SoHo/7982/
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:35:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini and Chakras
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>From within the light...
the child who knows of sorrow raises her eyes,
Swarthy-golden, lighting sigil
She guards the gate to the
world she only knows.
She smiles, it is good,
and opens the window to her
secret land.
Within are shadows, but
they have not substance.
it is hard to travel here,
but it must be done.
Spring cleaning
and cobwebs,
The dark girl with the light face you cannot see
dances in amber and purple and teal.
--jt
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:39:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini and Chakras--II
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Within the gate lies
a deep soft chasm
It seems very vast here,
Multitudes of stars in the sky
the Two-faced fairy dissolves
into the sky, her job done.
this soft place
this hurt place,
is the connection-place.
look close at the stars....
look at the stars within the stars...
Kwan Se Um Bosal's eyes
from 100,000,000 radial spikes
of heart to heart.
(green laser beams at ya!)
--jhampa
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:41:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: Sharon Webb <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini and Chakras
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sharon, my impressions i sent to the list...
i only know how to paint with words.
:)
On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, Sharon Webb wrote:
> Now folks, this is getting weird.
>
> I came to the conclusion that the phrase, "I symbolize these Chakras as
> spheres..." was what was setting off the major k spiralings. Coincidentally
> (?) while online I have been working on a picture using the 3D program,
> Bryce 3D, to create an innocuous picture of a fairy within a bubble (sphere)
> overlooking another dark purple glass sphere. I had put a pic gel of one of
> my Pythagorean Golden Mean fractals into a light inside the dark sphere.
> This caused a deep pink glow to come up inside the glass sphere.
>
> Ok...now my Golden Mean fractals have been known to cause strange effects
> among k actives, so when I realized that the email that effected me and the
> picture both used spheres, I thought....hmmm...that's the connection.
>
> And then...I made a tiny minor adjustment to the light inside the sphere and
> the whole picture changed. My little Caucasian fairy turned into a
> light-skinned African (!) ...and something strange emerged at the center of
> the dark sphere. Another sphere, light in color, showed up, only this one
> has what looks like an impact crater in it. It looks as if a large jagged
> shaft tore it open. And when the impact ripped open the center of the inner
> sphere a strange alien-looking landscape emerged. ?????
>
> And now there is a vaguely star-shaped shadow on the chest of the African
> boy, and the shadowy shape shows the impact of the jagged shaft.
>
> The picture is NOT what I had in mind at all. I don't even think I like it.
> But it gives me more k chills to look at it---which it didn't before.
>
> ?????
>
> Input, folks?
>
> Sharon
> shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
> A new fractal gallery and screensaver was posted to this site, 4/3/98:
> http://www.fractalus.com/sharon/
> USA Today Hot Site; Cosmic Site of the Night: Cool Central Site of the Day;
> ENC Digital Dozen; Enchantment Award; ArtSearch Featured Site;
> NetTech NeatTech: Web Best ; Eye Candy Award; Studyweb Featured Site;
> Lotus Light Award; Wave of the Day; Hot Site Award; Critical Mass Award;
> Best of the Planet, People's Choice Award, 1998; WS Award; Treasured Site
> Award
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
> To: Sharon Webb <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>; kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
> <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
> Date: Monday, June 08, 1998 2:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Kundalini and Chakras
>
>
> >
> >Greetings.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Sharon Webb wrote:
> >
> >>While wandering through this thread---with not a lot of patience, I must
> >>say---when I came to the statement below, major k spiralings started up in
> >>my body and erupted through my crown. Hmmm.... It's been awhile since
> THAT
> >>happened.
> >
> >*****
> >
> >Perhaps those particular words that I chose resulted an instance of
> >communion to occur between us that caused us my meaning to resonate with
> >your understanding.
> >
> >I comprehend that my delight with communicative clarity might tempt some
> >folks to choose to be impatient -- but I work to structure my writing for
> >the purpose of achieving instances of contact like the one you describe
> >experiencing.
> >
> >I hope that you will use some of the Kundalini which that message evoked to
> >join into the conversation by sharing your own perspective how Kundalini
> >operates in your experience.
> >
> >
> >
> >I AM
> >Avatar Thyer
> >
> >
> >
> >****************************
> >
> >A NOTE FROM SPIRIT
> >
> >I clarify aspects of the Self that I AM using mediums. This letter
> >clarifies some of My aspects using the medium of language. This letter is
> >a revelation of My perspective as the particular individual who wrote it.
> >Your perspective as the individualization that you are -- your perspective
> >as the individualization of that which I AM -- may differ.
> >
> >****************************
> >
> >
>
>
--debora a. orf
--programmer/analyst St. Charles City County Library District
--dorf01ATnospammail.win.org
"Dont create anything, then you dont have anything to lose", Zen Master
Dae Gak
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:43:28 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Kundalini and Chakras
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Valerie, A. T., and all,
Ok...I'll put up a "before" and "after" on my web site after both pics
finish rendering.
Will let you know the URL when they go up.
Sharon
-
>Sharon Webb wrote:
><snip>
>> The picture is NOT what I had in mind at all. I don't even think I like
it.
>> But it gives me more k chills to look at it---which it didn't before.
>>
>> ?????
>>
>> Input, folks?
>
>Sharon, are you describing that your *art* project just took over &
>developed into a whole new scene without your imput?
>....Can you show us this *art* project, when it's done doing it's thing?
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:53:49 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Cc: "consciouscreation" <consciouscreationATnospammakelist.com>,
"Friends" <friendsATnospamstargame.org>,
"Seth P" <the_practicing_idealistATnospamstargame.org>,
"Sethworks" <sethworksATnospamdreamgate.dreamworld.org>
Subject: kundalini article to appear
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Hi,
My kundalini article will be featured next Thursday, June 18th, in the
Philosophy and Religion section of Eye On the Web. For those who might want
to see it, here is the URL:
http://www.eyeontheweb.com/
I'm sorry for not notifying all of you who contributed quotes personally,
but I can't find the files. :-(
Anyway, thanks.
Sharon
shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
A new fractal gallery and screensaver was posted to this site, 4/3/98:
http://www.fractalus.com/sharon/
USA Today Hot Site; Cosmic Site of the Night: Cool Central Site of the Day;
ENC Digital Dozen; Enchantment Award; ArtSearch Featured Site;
NetTech NeatTech: Web Best ; Eye Candy Award; Studyweb Featured Site;
Lotus Light Award; Wave of the Day; Hot Site Award; Critical Mass Award;
Best of the Planet, People's Choice Award, 1998; WS Award; Treasured Site
Award
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:07:40 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Kundalini and Chakras
Message-ID: <357C448C.3599B21CATnospammail.snet.net>
Sharon Webb wrote:
> The picture is NOT what I had in mind at all. I don't even think I like it.
> But it gives me more k chills to look at it---which it didn't before.
>
> ?????
>
> Input, folks?
You are in a chill mode.
Take a walk in the woods.
Then the trees will seem to give you chills.
Focus on the cleansing power of the energy flow rather than the projections.
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:58:02 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: sorry
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Sorry for the multiple "article" posts. I have no idea why that happened.
It's been that kind of day.
Sharon
shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
A new fractal gallery and screensaver was posted to this site, 4/3/98:
http://www.fractalus.com/sharon/
USA Today Hot Site; Cosmic Site of the Night: Cool Central Site of the Day;
ENC Digital Dozen; Enchantment Award; ArtSearch Featured Site;
NetTech NeatTech: Web Best ; Eye Candy Award; Studyweb Featured Site;
Lotus Light Award; Wave of the Day; Hot Site Award; Critical Mass Award;
Best of the Planet, People's Choice Award, 1998; WS Award; Treasured Site
Award
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:31:41 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Kundalini and Chakras
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Deborah and David and all,
Thanks for the poems and the thoughts.
y'know something weird? Just last night and this morning I was thinking I
was at a standstill spiritually. I mean nothing was happening. And I
prayed to Sai Baba about it. Because of the Sai Baba dreams I had initially
months ago, I always think of myself as a Dalmatian dog (don't ask) when I
pray to him...and I always refer to myself as "Sharon the dog." And so...I
saw myself all alone last night---this dog sitting alone in a vast
wilderness---and I said, "I'm lost." And then I saw Sai Baba, and he was
smiling and he called to me and I (the dog) ran and jumped into his
arms...and he said, "See. You weren't lost after all. You were never
lost."
:-)))))))))))) And that felt sooooooo good, 'cause I did feel so lost and
alone. So much so that I cried.
And now I'm going to shut up, 'cause otherwise Mystress will throw me off
the list for using too much band-width. :-)
Sharon
shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
A new fractal gallery and screensaver was posted to this site, 4/3/98:
http://www.fractalus.com/sharon/
USA Today Hot Site; Cosmic Site of the Night: Cool Central Site of the Day;
ENC Digital Dozen; Enchantment Award; ArtSearch Featured Site;
NetTech NeatTech: Web Best ; Eye Candy Award; Studyweb Featured Site;
Lotus Light Award; Wave of the Day; Hot Site Award; Critical Mass Award;
Best of the Planet, People's Choice Award, 1998; WS Award; Treasured Site
Award
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:56:27 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com'" <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>, AfperryATnospamaol.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu, hc19436ATnospamautovia.com
Subject: RE: The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakti
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Thanks for including me in the discussion. Sorry it has taken a while to
respond.
As far as I can tell there are the following positions.
Those who feel that the Self/ultimate nature has no locus and in fact
cannot be localized.
Those who feel that the Self/ultimate-nature has no locus, but may be
most easily realized in a particular location.
Among the latter the heart is the most common location. Then the
question arises - what heart? In the old days the yogic cakra physiology
was THE physiology - so there was no distinction between the physical
heart and the yogic heart. But with modern anatomy the question arises.
So there are those who superimpose the subtle nerves of the yogic heart
on top of the physical heart - and those who differentiate saying that
the heart cakra, like all cakras, is in the chittra nerve of the
sushumna.
Was the heart mentioned in Harsha's quotes from the Upanishads was any
of the above?:
I think Harsha's quote from the Prasna upanishad points out that the
heart of this upanishad, and others, including the later yoga
upanishads, is the origin of the nadi/nerve network of the body. This
makes it identical to the heart cakra of the Natha's, tantric Buddhists
etc.
Finally, there is the question of whether Ramana Maharshi's heart was
any of the above? Since it appears to me that the heart of the classical
Upanishads, the tantras, the Natha's etc. is treated in much the same
manner I would think that Ramana's heart would be the same ... but ...
Kind Regards,
Kurt
-----Original Message-----
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com [SMTP:Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 1998 9:51 AM
To: AfperryATnospamaol.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com; keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu;
hc19436ATnospamautovia.com
Subject: The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakti
In a message dated 5/30/1998 4:44:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Afperry
writes:
<< Dear Harsha,
In a message dated 29/5/98 6:00:33 pm, you wrote:
> Sri Krishna states in the Gita, "I am in the Heart of all
beings....."
Alan: Indeed he does and I think this is one of the most poignant and
beautiful messages of the Gita/Mahabharata. <<snip>>
This has a deep meaning for all of us but again I feel the story is
figurative as though to emphasise "I am resident in you", not separate,
not
far away up above the clouds. I am your inmost Self. <<snip>>
Harsha: Beautifully put Alan! Spoken like a Vedantic Sage. I think the
term
"Heart" is both figurative and literal. For example, Katha Upanishad
states,
"Radiating from the Lotus of the Heart there are 101 nerves. One of
these
ascends to the thousand petaled Lotus in the brain." Prasna Upanishad
states,
"Prana (the reference is to Kundalini Shakti) is born of the Self. Like
a man
and his shadow, Self and Prana are inseparable.....Self dwells in the
Lotus of
the Heart whence radiate 101 nerves." The reference to the Heart or the
Cave
of the Heart recurs throughout Upanishads. If Jan or Kurt or others
have
comments on this or if there is Kundalini literature in other traditions
which
speaks on this topic, it would be nice to know.
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:25:21 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com (Kundalini)
Subject: Re: Kundalini and Chakras
Message-ID: <536f71e3.357c56c2ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 6/8/1998 1:00:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
david.bozziATnospamsnet.net writes:
<< You are in a chill mode.
Take a walk in the woods.
Then the trees will seem to give you chills. >>
Harsha: And the trees will not make any claims of divine communications:--)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:38:39 -0700
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: i am??
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980608113836.00c1b514ATnospampop.sonic.net>
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At 09:10 PM 6/7/98 -0700, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>At 04:27 PM 07/06/98 -0700, Mary Ezzell wrote:
>>Angelique, I vote for declaring stuff like this off-topic, and
>>unsubscribing people who do it.
>>Mary
>>
> (Shrug) What for?
Wasn't serious, you've got enough k-p already. :-)
>He's right.. you can only see in him yourself
>reflected..
But can he see that he only sees himself reflected in what he sees in other
people's reflections about him? :-)
Mary
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:34:46 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: shawebbATnospamyhc.edu, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini and Chakras
Message-ID: <2377e8d.357c58f8ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 6/8/1998 1:34:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
writes:
<< You weren't lost after all. You were never
lost."
:-)))))))))))) And that felt sooooooo good, 'cause I did feel so lost and
alone. So much so that I cried. >>
Harsha: Sharon, because of your experiences you are in a vulnerable place and
maybe susceptible to suggestions. Many highly intelligent people are. Keep
the company of good and wise and spiritual people whom you trust. God bless
you with peace and understanding.
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:39:53 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Kundalini and Chakras
Message-ID: <026d01bd932e$5b658340$6fd11fa8ATnospamsharonwe>
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Hi everybody,
As promised, I've put up the "before" and "after" pics on the web. The
"before" however, is a small inserted thumbnail in the upper right corner of
the "after" pic. This is because all I had left after the "change" was the
thumbnail...and I haven't been able to reproduce the "before" pic no matter
how I try. And that is interesting too....
For those who want to take a look, the URL is
http://www.fractalus.com/sharon/composit.jpg
I'll leave it up a few days.
This pic may not mean anything to you guys, but it sure does to me. The
pale lavender white sphere means crown chakra to me. The purple one means
the brow chakra. The new smaller light-colored shattered sphere is also a
chakra, but I'm not sure which. After the pic rendered (still don't like it
much) the shattered area looks as if it has been pierced with a
warped-looking knife with its handle resting on the shattered edge of the
crater. This inadvertent picture says a great deal to me, which the
original never did. I don't want to say what, because the message is
extremely personal...and I don't think I have plumbed it all yet.
And Harsha...thanks for what you wrote. I know what you mean. I know
exactly what you mean. But I also know that this was a sort of catalyst for
me today...and perhaps the source was my Self which seized the moment. :-)
Sharon
shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
A new fractal gallery and screensaver was posted to this site, 4/3/98:
http://www.fractalus.com/sharon/
USA Today Hot Site; Cosmic Site of the Night: Cool Central Site of the Day;
ENC Digital Dozen; Enchantment Award; ArtSearch Featured Site;
NetTech NeatTech: Web Best ; Eye Candy Award; Studyweb Featured Site;
Lotus Light Award; Wave of the Day; Hot Site Award; Critical Mass Award;
Best of the Planet, People's Choice Award, 1998; WS Award; Treasured Site
Award
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:07:33 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Peace
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980608160733.011f1360ATnospamdomin8rex.com>
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At 03:13 PM 08/06/98 +0000, Paul West wrote:
>Hello.
>
>This is my last message to the k list.
>
>Last night Mystress Angie told me some hard truths. <....>I
>didn't want it anymore. I was at a total end. If those things were not
>taken away I would have just died. There was no way to avoid the fact.
>
>God was there, then. I gave it all to him. I thought such things as
>this were just makebelieve, but it really happened. I just handed it
>all over, all the control and the standards. <....> Grace, acceptance, and
God have
>been given meaning in my vocabulary. Now it all makes sense.
>
>I'm sorry.
>
>--
>Paul.
>
Now you'll make me cry.. your apology is not accepted.. not good enough,
do better.. it is coming from your ego .. silly bonehead, everything was
perfect. You are perfect, and you always have been, except you did not know
it because you were not listening to what Goddess was saying to you. So She
hadda keep repeating Herself. She is Perfection. So what is there to
apologize for?
If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him. (That typo came out "likk
him first time.. LOL!)
I am honored to have been instrumental in the near-death experience of
your ego.
It seemed to not want to surrender, and you were asking begging for help
over and over as I read between the lines.. and hearing your painful cries
was getting to me, so I was moved finally in an act of mercy to step in and
grab your ego by the throat and throttle it into silence and knock it down
and stomp it flat and shit on it, and then jump on it up and down with my
stiletto heels on it's sensitive parts until it hurt so bad it thought it
was gonna die.. which it what it took, to get it to surrender. Blessed be.
I think you will find it to be whole and undamaged, but significantly
more co-operative.. (smirk)
So.. that's why I get the big bucks.. so if I give it away, it's gotta
be for love, eh??
Sometimes an act of unconditional love is to spank a child hard enough so
that next time their mind is chasing a ball across the street, their body
will instinctively think twice.. and stop autopilot brakes on at the curb
like a chasm has opened up at their feet.. that is a spinal reflex of the
body-memory. .basic aversion therapy.. and the parent who is too concerned
with egoic perceptions of "Goodness" will not act on the instinctive
impulse to do so.
Admittedly, I was impulsed to flame your butt purple repeatedly, but I
procrastinated... to be quite sure it was consensual.. that you were really
asking.. :)
What I'm trying to tellya, is sometimes being a bitch in the highest
good and risking looking like an ass hole takes way more guts and faith
than smiling at everyone.
Glad to be of service.. it was fun. Happy lurking. Enjoy your diary..
Blessings, Mystress.
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:35:40 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>,
"Mystress Angelique Serpent" <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Subject: RE: Moving the list.. was Re: Barbie
Message-Id: <l0313030bb1a232af163bATnospam[126.0.0.108]>
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>In principle, spammers can invade everywhere, so moving the list won't be a
>solution. Until now it hasn't been so bad. IMO a better solution could be to
>change the rules and prohibit spamming explicitly (tresspassers will be
>fined say, $50.000, if US law permits it). Any unrecognized E-mail address
>could be replied to with a copy of the regulations and the owner of the mail
>has to agree before mail is passed to the server. As this process can be
>automated, it won't mean extra work to maintain the list and a member once
>in a while posting from somewhere else won't object if the copy of the rules
>is sent without delay.
>
>Jan
Someone on another list puts this on the bottom of all his emails... Dunno
if it works or not, but here 'tis:
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NOTICE TO BULK EMAILER: Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5,
Subchapter II, 227, any and all unsolicited commercial e-mail sent
to this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the
amount of $500 US.
=-=-=-=-=-=- E-Mailing denotes acceptance of these terms. =-=-=-=-=-=-
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:15:42 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: i am??
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980608161542.01150d70ATnospamdomin8rex.com>
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At 11:38 AM 08/06/98 -0700, Mary Ezzell wrote:
>At 09:10 PM 6/7/98 -0700, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>>
>>He's right.. you can only see in him yourself
>>reflected..
>
>But can he see that he only sees himself reflected in what he sees in other
>people's reflections about him? :-)
>Mary
>
I dunno.. ask him.. he writes like he does. Delicious energy... or is
that me?? LOL!
Blessings, MYST
>
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 02:34:48 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, "Kurt Keutzer" <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>,
"Afperry" <AfperryATnospamaol.com>, "Harsha1MTM" <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
Subject: RE: The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakti
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Kurt:
> Thanks for including me in the discussion. Sorry it has taken a while to
> respond.
>
> As far as I can tell there are the following positions.
>
> Those who feel that the Self/ultimate nature has no locus and in fact
> cannot be localized.
Jan: Self without dimension and location, not in any way related to chakras
goes for me too.
Kurt:
> Those who feel that the Self/ultimate-nature has no locus, but may be
> most easily realized in a particular location.
>
> Among the latter the heart is the most common location. Then the
> question arises - what heart? In the old days the yogic cakra physiology
> was THE physiology - so there was no distinction between the physical
> heart and the yogic heart. But with modern anatomy the question arises.
> So there are those who superimpose the subtle nerves of the yogic heart
> on top of the physical heart - and those who differentiate saying that
> the heart cakra, like all cakras, is in the chittra nerve of the
> sushumna.
Jan:
To my experience, all three centers do exist. The center that is situated
near the physical heart (to me it seems to be near the 'top' of the physical
heart) is connected by a nadi that goes diagonal to vishuddha and then to
sahasrara. I would not be surprised if the "physical" heart chakra plays an
important role in pranayama and particularly breath-retention. The first
chakra I noticed was anahatha, followed by the center to the right and after
that, the center near the physical heart. The experienced sensations in
those chakras are totally different. I could never notice any relation
between the activities of the physical heart and the chakra near to it. Only
anahatha seems to be directly K. related.
<snips>
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:51:52 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: gsdonneATnospamiinet.net.au, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: What can't be cured must be endured (Total humor:--)
Message-ID: <aaa5749b.357ca349ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 6/8/1998 10:16:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
gsdonneATnospamiinet.net.au writes:
<< The Compassionate Harsha: As long as there is a mind, there will be mind
>readers:--). As long as no appointments are made, there must be self -
>appointments:--). What can't be cured must be endured!
Gsdonne: I read your words and weep Harsha. Surely with all your wisdom and
experience you must have a cure for self appointed 'I AM Avatars'!!!
Harsha: I waited to respond to your post so that your tears would be dry by
now and you could actually read again. I have no cures. You may commence
weeping again.
Gsdonne: Search the record books, the ancient scrolls of wisdom, surely a
cure must
exist somewhere in the worlds spiritual literature! Dont let us suffer
Harsha, I implore you.
Harsha: I am deeply moved by your faith in me. My heart feels your pain. I
shall do as you say and search for a cure to the best of my abilities.
Meanwhile bear the suffering as best you can dear one and continue weeping.
Gsdonne: We have enough to endure already, telemarketers, Barbie spams, and
now Avatars! In my unenlightened ignorance of these matters the only solution
I can
offer is hitting the delete key. Maybe not an established spiritual practice
but effective.
Harsha: Yes wise one. I bow to you for your insight. Indeed, the delete key
has been savior for many. It is the one true guru.
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