1998/06/08 10:03
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #436
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 436
Today's Topics:
What can't be cured must be endured [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Barbies and Lobsters and Y-AMs, [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
temporary goodbye to list [ James Paterson <rockyATnospamww.co.nz> ]
Use of words, intentions (was Re: Su [ "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.co ]
Re: Kundalini and Chakras [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
The Space behind Experience [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Chameleon [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: The Space behind Experience [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
Re: I AM, i am??, am I? [ "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.co ]
Re: I AM, i am??, am I? [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: I AM, i am??, am I? [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
Re: Re: The Space behind Experience [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Peace [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
Re: Who is not an Avatar?:--) (Harsh [ "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.co ]
Why Question? [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
Re: I AM, i am??, am I? [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
Re: The Space behind Experience [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
Re: I AM, i am??, am I? [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: TRANSFORMATIONAL LOVE [ "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.co ]
Stagnant and Vital (Funcations and D [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
Re: Surely! [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: Stagnant and Vital (Funcations a [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: temporary goodbye to list [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 05:22:59 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: maryATnospamsonic.net, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: What can't be cured must be endured (humor)
Message-ID: <628137bc.357bad74ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 6/7/1998 5:22:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, maryATnospamsonic.net
writes:
AT: And what you choose reveals more about your motivations than it
necessarily
>says anything accurate about Avatar Thyer's actual motivations and
experience.
Mary: Ho hum, another self-appointed mind-reader.
The Compassionate Harsha: As long as there is a mind, there will be mind
readers:--). As long as no appointments are made, there must be self -
appointments:--). What can't be cured must be endured!
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 05:28:15 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: jennyATnospamnoway.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Barbies and Lobsters and Y-AMs, oh my!
Message-ID: <ee7581bc.357baeb0ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 6/8/1998 1:49:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jennyATnospamnoway.com
writes:
<< This is, of course, not to say that Lobster is not wise and good and
welcome, too. <grin> (and I'm sorry, Lobster, but whenever I see your name,
I can't help but think of drawn butter and lemon.....not in the Barbie way,
in the carnivorous way... LOL!)
namaste
Jenny
>>
Harsha: Truth is often hidden in humor. Watch out Lob:--)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 22:06:34
From: James Paterson <rockyATnospamww.co.nz>
To: iamATnospamonelist.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: temporary goodbye to list
Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980608220634.2ac7bd98ATnospamww.co.nz>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Alas I am going to be very busy with study and have to drop this list
for the moment
rocky
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 04:13:04 PDT
From: "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Use of words, intentions (was Re: Surely!)
Message-ID: <19980608111304.13590.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
>
>At 06:13 PM 06/06/98 +0000, Paul West wrote:
>>Surely we've all got better things to talk about than the `barbie'
>>post.!! ... again, people don't know what it means to stop.
>>
>>--
>>Paul.
>>
> Really Paul, how is it you are bold enough to criticize when only
>a few weeks ago you sent 47k of email to the list in a single day??
> Keep tossing those stones, your glass house will get pretty drafty..
> To borrow Harsha, WHO is it that does not know what it means to
stop??
> Blessings, Mystress.
>
>
Dear ones,
The posting was too big? Or was it to small? Too much snipping? Or,
maybe too little? Were words angry or not? I didn't get a reply? Or, I
got too many? ...
As long as one is not 'happy' with himself/herself how can (s)he be
happy with others?
One seems to be looking what others are doing instead of looking first
into ourselves or just letting it be...
Please don't get me wrong. Do whatever you wish to do...
One can use a knife as a tool to eat but one can also use it to kill
someone. Words can warm our hearts but they can also inflict us much
pain. One may use the hand to salute, hug but one may also use it to
punch someone...
It's a pity that many use words to start a quarrel/war instead of
bringing love/peace. It is up to us independently how we use them, think
about that.
(Enough for now :-))
May I use this moment to offer you a knife to eat, some words to warm
your heart and my hands to salute and hug you?
Love and Joy,
Jose
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 08:05:54 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini and Chakras
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980609080554.007d04d0ATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Greetings.
Harsha wrote:
>Who is the "I" that considers?
>Who is the "I" that differentiates?
*****
In that letter, the "I" that considers refers to one of the Who's of Spirit
which in this case is the human writing this letter.
Harsha wrote:
>The inward focus on the "I" , if practiced, has the power to
>awaken the Kundalini. It has also the potency to
>direct us towards the Source that transcends experience.
*****
Thank you for your suggestion.
I enjoy focusing on the inside "I" from the outside and found that it is an
effective way for cultivating consciousness of Kundalini, which I can then
use to awaken Kundalini.
I enjoy focusing on outside "I" from the inside and found that it is an
effective way cultivating awareness of Kundalini, which I can then use to
awaken Kundalini.
I AM
Avatar Thyer
****************************
A NOTE FROM SPIRIT
I clarify aspects of the Self that I AM using mediums. This letter
clarifies some of My aspects using the medium of language. This letter is
a revelation of My perspective as the particular individual who wrote it.
Your perspective as the individualization that you are -- your perspective
as the individualization of that which I AM -- may differ.
****************************
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:29:02 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org, Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: The Space behind Experience
Message-ID: <75383480.357be71fATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 6/8/1998, 8:02:13 AM, thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org writes:
<<Harsha wrote:
>The inward focus on the "I" , if practiced, has the power to
>awaken the Kundalini. It has also the potency to
>direct us towards the Source that transcends experience.
*****
AT: Thank you for your suggestion.
Harsha: Who is thanking? Who?:--)
AT: I enjoy focusing on the inside "I" from the outside
Harsha: Who is the "I" that enjoys focusing? What is inside? What is outside?
AT: and found that
Harsha: Who found? Can we find the one who found? All "finding"" or
"perception" or "insights" or "experiences" depend on the one having them.
Who is that? We have to find the "One" on whom all else is dependent. If we
attach too much importance to experience, we cannot have peace as all
experience is transient. Therefore, deep thinking people, while understanding
the nature of experience, do not get lost in the endless maze. They focus on
the source of all experience, the foundation on which all experiences play
out.
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 10:21:31 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, "iamATnospamonelist.com" <iamATnospamonelist.com>,
Damaris <dserateATnospamtelrepcosvc.com>
Subject: Chameleon
Message-ID: <357BF36A.D795B8DEATnospammail.snet.net>
Chameleon
Journey to
Earth and stone.
All alone.
She said, "yes."
But I said "no".
Now there's nowhere else.
Left to go.
Empty bowl.
Before a fireplace.
Just say please.
To the goddess of the Mind.
Visualize.
Realize.
The nature of who I am.
Water boils.
I feel the heat of the burning Lake.
Fire to air.
(nothing is there)
The world is a fleeting moment.
Eternal Sunrise.
No surprise.
(Been here all along.)
Still in the Silence.
I am the chameleon.
Resting on invisibility.
Grab me by the tail
And it falls off.
Forever I am yours
If you leave me be...
Us be.
(Peace)
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 10:17:44 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Space behind Experience
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980609101744.007ddd70ATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Greetings.
Harsha asked:
>Who is thanking? Who?:--)
>Who is the "I" that enjoys focusing?
>Who found?
*****
The Who that is thanking, the "I" that enjoys focusing, the one who found
in the case of that letter is the human that is writing this letter.
Harsha asked:
What is inside? What is outside?
*****
The inside and the outside are incarnations of Spirit.
Harsha wrote:
>If we attach too much importance to experience, we cannot have peace as all
>experience is transient. Therefore, deep thinking people, while understanding
>the nature of experience, do not get lost in the endless maze. They focus on
>the source of all experience, the foundation on which all experiences play
>out.
*****
I can comprehend that transcience causes you not to have peace as an
individual, Harsha.
Since, from the "deepest" perspective, the I that I AM is the source of all
my experience incarnating as the individual who is writing this letter,
that I is the focuser, the focusing, and that which is focused upon.
I AM
Avatar Thyer
****************************
A NOTE FROM SPIRIT
I clarify aspects of the Self that I AM using mediums. This letter
clarifies some of My aspects using the medium of language. This letter is
a revelation of My perspective as the particular individual who wrote it.
Your perspective as the individualization that you are -- your perspective
as the individualization of that which I AM -- may differ.
****************************
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 07:42:04 PDT
From: "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: I AM, i am??, am I?
Message-ID: <19980608144204.12358.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
<snip>
>be...so I don't really think that in a lot of cases the I AM statement
>is egotistical at all, just a statement of awareness.
>
Fully agree with you. Just BEING...
>So am I or what?
>
>--Delirium (who *is* Kath, who *is* Kundalini-awakened, who is...
...uh,
>you get the picture)
... You ARE
... I AM
... We ARE ALL
What is the problem with this thread?
Aren't we ALL? :-)
Love and Joy,
Jose
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:45:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: Jose Arroyo <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: I AM, i am??, am I?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980608094316.8336A-100000ATnospamwinc0>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, Jose Arroyo wrote:
> ... You ARE
> ... I AM
> ... We ARE ALL
> What is the problem with this thread?
> Aren't we ALL? :-)
but at the moment of identity, if the watcher names herself has she not
lost everything?
no definition
no thoughts
only impressions
of feet
in sands of
Alaya...
the dinosaur
outside my
window
peers so
very closely now.
the blue mountain
puts on her fir
jacket
against the
blowing wind.
wind
blows up
the blue
mountain
the tea is warm.
--janpa
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 10:50:02 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: I AM, i am??, am I?
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980609105002.007ed100ATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Greetings.
Jose Arroyo wrote:
>What is the problem with this thread?
>Aren't we ALL? :-)
****
We sure ARE, Jose.
We are the ALL that IS.
I AM
Avatar Thyer
****************************
A NOTE FROM SPIRIT
I clarify aspects of the Self that I AM using mediums. This letter
clarifies some of My aspects using the medium of language. This letter is
a revelation of My perspective as the particular individual who wrote it.
Your perspective as the individualization that you are -- your perspective
as the individualization of that which I AM -- may differ.
****************************
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:30:45 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: The Space behind Experience
Message-ID: <e6800bb7.357bf596ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 6/8/1998, 10:14:40 AM, thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org writes:
<<I can comprehend that transcience causes you not to have peace as an
individual, Harsha.
>>
Harsha: When you comprehend your Self, you will comprehend Me.
Date: 8 Jun 98 15:13:44 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Peace
Message-Id: <357BFF04.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hello.
This is my last message to the k list.
Last night Mystress Angie told me some hard truths. I kind of knew
they were true so I didn't bother trying to resist. I knew I had
lied and deceived and spouted ego rubbish. But it upset me somewhat.
Actually I couldn't go to sleep because I felt very sad and began to
cry. I couldn't fathom why I kept lying to myself in the past. "Why!",
I kept saying.
There was no point to it. My throat was so tight with emotion at this
point I thought it couldn't ache any more. I tried to get to sleep but
it wouldn't go away. I started a second wave of trying to see why I
had been so horrible to myself, so self-deceived. The tears came again
surprisingly quickly.
It was then that I talked to God. I just admitted, I couldn't live up
to my own standards and expectation. I couldn't do it anymore. I
didn't have the power to control other people and I couldn't deal with
the unhappyness this was bringing. I confessed that I just couldn't go
on with it, it had to stop. I had to stop. He had to take it away. I
didn't want it anymore. I was at a total end. If those things were not
taken away I would have just died. There was no way to avoid the fact.
God was there, then. I gave it all to him. I thought such things as
this were just makebelieve, but it really happened. I just handed it
all over, all the control and the standards. Just gave it all to god
to try and live up to. I failed. I lost. I couldn't resist anymore.
The extreme emotional tensions in my throat seemed not to be there
anymore. I felt at peace. And I slept. Grace, acceptance, and God have
been given meaning in my vocabulary. Now it all makes sense.
I'm sorry.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:01:37 PDT
From: "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Who is not an Avatar?:--) (Harsha)
Message-ID: <19980608150137.4297.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
>Harsha wrote:
>
>>That is so totally funny! Thanks for the revelation:--).
>>Reveal Your Self to your self. That will be the end of all
revelations.
>
>*****
>
>Rather than the end, I consider it to be the simultaneously the end AND
the
>beginning AND the fun of playing by cycling from one to the other.
>
>I'm glad that you can realize the humor.
>
>
>*smiles broadly*
>
>
>I AM
>Avatar Thyer
>
Harsha and Avatar,
How beautiful it has been (for me) to get so much clarity in so few
words! Thank you both!
So, now that self found THE ANSWER it is no use to keep on questioning
:-) Why don't we start just having Fun, Love, Joy... ? *smile*
Just BE.
Love and Joy,
Jose
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 11:14:44 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Why Question?
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980609111444.007f18f0ATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Greetings.
Jose Arroyo wrote:
>So, now that self found THE ANSWER it is no use to keep on questioning
>:-) Why don't we start just having Fun, Love, Joy... ? *smile*
*****
The use of questioning for me IS the fun of answering.
*smiles*
I AM
Avatar Thyer
****************************
A NOTE FROM SPIRIT
I clarify aspects of the Self that I AM using mediums. This letter
clarifies some of My aspects using the medium of language. This letter is
a revelation of My perspective as the particular individual who wrote it.
Your perspective as the individualization that you are -- your perspective
as the individualization of that which I AM -- may differ.
****************************
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 11:17:07 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: I AM, i am??, am I?
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980609111707.007ec410ATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Greetings.
Debora A. Orf wrote:
>but at the moment of identity, if the watcher names herself has she not
>lost everything?
*****
Naming is losing if naming is synonymous for Separating from everything.
However, rather than losing, naming can be considered as simply
differentiating in the fun process of ordering -- ordering from a
perspective that maintains the understanding that each item that is ordered
is an incarnation of everything, instead of being Separate from everything.
I know that it can be considered this way because this is how I experience
it as an individual.
But I also understand that other individuals may choose to continue
consider it as losing.
I AM
Avatar Thyer
****************************
A NOTE FROM SPIRIT
I clarify aspects of the Self that I AM using mediums. This letter
clarifies some of My aspects using the medium of language. This letter is
a revelation of My perspective as the particular individual who wrote it.
Your perspective as the individualization that you are -- your perspective
as the individualization of that which I AM -- may differ.
****************************
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 11:22:47 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Space behind Experience
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980609112247.007edc60ATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Greetings.
Harsha wrote:
>When you comprehend your Self, you will comprehend Me.
*****
Yes *grins* you certainly do.
I AM
Avatar Thyer
****************************
A NOTE FROM SPIRIT
I clarify aspects of the Self that I AM using mediums. This letter
clarifies some of My aspects using the medium of language. This letter is
a revelation of My perspective as the particular individual who wrote it.
Your perspective as the individualization that you are -- your perspective
as the individualization of that which I AM -- may differ.
****************************
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:23:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: I AM, i am??, am I?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980608102204.8336C-100000ATnospamwinc0>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Avatar Thyer wrote:
> However, rather than losing, naming can be considered as simply
> differentiating in the fun process of ordering -- ordering from a
> perspective that maintains the understanding that each item that is ordered
> is an incarnation of everything, instead of being Separate from everything.
its more complicated than that tho. this still allows for stagnation of
something into its definition.
when something loses its function, it loses its definition, thats why
definitions and esp those of self are so durn dangerous.
--janpa tsomo
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:27:09 PDT
From: "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: TRANSFORMATIONAL LOVE
Message-ID: <19980608152709.21457.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
Dear Anita,
>Dear Zarcon, Anita here. In my current experience as babysitterfor
above
>average as well as special needs children of emergency care cases, I
find only
You have probably your hands full of work and your heart full of warmth
:-)
>one answer to all problems and that is to love them, validate them,
LOVE
<snip>
>NEEDS NOW, IS LOVE, SWEET LOVE' comes to mind. I mean the kind of love
that
>Jesus had for us when he laid down his life for us, that
transformational love
>- that is what we all need to give. Love, Anita. One for all and all
for one.
Unconditional Love
The Answer to all the questions is ... LOVE
Love and Joy,
Jose
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 12:11:27 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Stagnant and Vital (Funcations and Definitions)
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980609121127.007eac70ATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Greetings.
Debora A. Orf replied:
>its more complicated than that tho. this still allows for stagnation of
>something into its definition.
>when something loses its function, it loses its definition, thats why
>definitions and esp those of self are so durn dangerous.
*****
Okay, I can comprehend that it is more complicated for you.
But let me explore this:
You say that things that lose definition lose function. Since the opposite
to losing is gaining, then those things that gain function gain definition.
So according to that view, having a defintion of self, then, is having a
function -- and having a function is having a definition of self.
You wrote that you think my perspective allows for the stagnation of
something into its definition.
Given the connection that you make between definition and function, I
comprehend this to mean that from your perspective things that stagnate
into their definition stagnate into their function.
Now, you are right: my perspective allows for the possibility of stagnation
because by allowing for that it enables the option of its polar complement
-- vitalization. Since losing is stagnating, gaining is vitalizing. When
I consider experience from the negative perspective of Ego, I experience
stagnation. When I consider experience from the positive perspective, I
experience vitalization.
Being conscious of these options is simple for me. I can choose which of
those options that I want to experience at any given moment. I choose to
be vitalized.
In your terms, I choose both to gain function and to gain definition.
I AM
Avatar Thyer
****************************
A NOTE FROM SPIRIT
I clarify aspects of the Self that I AM using mediums. This letter
clarifies some of My aspects using the medium of language. This letter is
a revelation of My perspective as the particular individual who wrote it.
Your perspective as the individualization that you are -- your perspective
as the individualization of that which I AM -- may differ.
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:30:37 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Surely!
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>Surely we've all got better things to talk about than the `barbie'
>post.!! ... again, people don't know what it means to stop.
>
>--
>Paul.
Please don't call me Shirley.
love,
amckeon
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:29:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Stagnant and Vital (Funcations and Definitions)
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On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Avatar Thyer wrote:
>
> You say that things that lose definition lose function. Since the opposite
> to losing is gaining, then those things that gain function gain definition.
> So according to that view, having a defintion of self, then, is having a
> function -- and having a function is having a definition of self.
janpa> implied more that definition is not much more than a Polaroid of a
moment of reality. By the time said definition is made, things have
changed. Its an illusion, that defintion. Definition itself is the
problem, not function. The process of defining, catagorizing etc. Useful
to some degree, but often mistaken for what *is*.
yes function can be defined, but it also expires, thats the way of things
on this wheel of existence, from nowhere back to nowhere, only functions
in between. i like to think that 'coffee cup' is a function. once i smash
coffee cup into the wall, its reincarnated.
> You wrote that you think my perspective allows for the stagnation of
> something into its definition.
> Given the connection that you make between definition and function, I
> comprehend this to mean that from your perspective things that stagnate
> into their definition stagnate into their function.
definition==static, function==dynamic. it may be a matter of symantics.
the 'watcher' is so subtle in her catagorization, that dynamic process of
stagnizing reality often seems like reality. As we look around, we
'define' say 'oh yeah, blue sky'. what if you didnt say 'oh yeah blue
sky'? what is left but a pristine awareness? Not a dullness here, but a
bright clarity. thought rises 'oh yeah, blue sky' then it dies where it
came from.
> Now, you are right: my perspective allows for the possibility of stagnation
> because by allowing for that it enables the option of its polar complement
> -- vitalization. Since losing is stagnating, gaining is vitalizing. When
> I consider experience from the negative perspective of Ego, I experience
> stagnation. When I consider experience from the positive perspective, I
> experience vitalization.
there is only one constant out there imo, that is that everything always
changes. Dynamic from the word go to the stopword. We humanfolks dont like
that. we like to be 'in charge'. change takes that away from us, we fight
it tooth & nail, but we always will lose. a static definition is an
expired desire clinging to a non-existent underlying cause. It may have
been true once, but eventually it is not. Even Mt Meru will one day be
sand, maybe by a beach.
so this process is one of breakdown/growup. You dont have to vitalize, its
already there.
> Being conscious of these options is simple for me. I can choose which of
> those options that I want to experience at any given moment. I choose to
> be vitalized.
you dont need to chose, u are already there, by choosing, in some ways,
this process of definition is already subtly awake. working, making itself
over again. that's ok, it does that, its human-work. but that is all that
it is.
scribbed rantings on a Monday,
--jhampa tsomo
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:20:24 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: James Paterson <rockyATnospamww.co.nz>
cc: iamATnospamonelist.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: temporary goodbye to list
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Hello James,
James kundalini is a slow process and one has to keep doing the wordly
things with 100% perfection. Wishing You ***BEST OF LUCK*** for your
studies.
Love,
Anurag
On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, James Paterson wrote:
> Alas I am going to be very busy with study and have to drop this list
> for the moment
>
> rocky
>
>
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