1998/06/05 17:29
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #428
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 428
Today's Topics:
Re: Subconscious pressure [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: 06/04/98 [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
RE: Barbie [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamaurum.com> ]
Re: Responding or not to a lie (was [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Jackie Laughton <Jackie.LaughtonATnospambb ]
Re: moving the list [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Re: Dear Barbie [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: Subconscious pressure [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: 06/04/98 [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: The unveiling [ "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.co ]
Re: Moving the list.. was Re: Barbie [ DruoutATnospamaol.com ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ David Mizrachi <david.mizrachiATnospamusa. ]
Re: Pakistan*psychics* [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: moving the list [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Re: AutoPost from BBC [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
RE: Getting started [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
RE: Moving the list.. was Re: Barbie [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
Date: 5 Jun 98 15:34:08 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Subconscious pressure
Message-Id: <35780FF0.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Danijel,
> Lie is a statement that describes the nonexistent reality, but the lie
> itself exists. If I say I have a million $$$, it would be a false
> statement, describing non-existing reality (or non-reality, whichever you
> choose), but the statement itself would exist. Saying that a lie doesn't
> exist means having problems with definitions of terms. Object of a lie
> doesn't exist, or exists in a different form than the lie indicates. The
> lie can be the perversion of existing reality.
I know all about lies. I've told enough of them. I seem to hide my tru
self behind a seperation. I have a `face' that I put on with a false
smile trying to keep the person happy to avoid conflict, and yet i
feel seperate from this face, like I am observing it. But it isn'
detatchment, it's seperation, and the strange thing is that the
observer and the observed are the same lie.
> For instance saying that my
> keyboard is yellow and made of butter is partially true, since the keyboard
> exists but its nature is different, it isn't yellow and it is made of
> plastic. I can also lie by adding non-existent attributes to the existing
> reality - by saying the computers are evil, for instance. The computers
> exist, but their nature is neutral.
I have just become aware of a fact. I have been seeing other people as
increasingly aware. It was like everyone was more alert, more self,
more awake than I was. But I have started to see through this. What I
was actually doing was /projecting/ my own self-conscious attitude (in
a bad way) onto the world and was seeing this waryness in others. I
thought it was theirs, that they were more wary and that I was scared
of it. But fact is that I am conscious about myself, sensitive,
paranoid, and because of this everything I look at seems to be me. As
always.
> In every single case, the false statements existed, they were real, and
> something had to be done with them. One possible choice is to ignore them
> completely. But the very fact that I choose to ignore them is the proof of
> their existence.
I have become very good at managing lies. I'm quite intelligent, and
that makes it possible to lie more effectively. You see, stupid people
don't lie. Or so it would seem. I think it is sometimes wise to `lie',
and what is the truth that is supposed to be adhered to anyway. But
mostly it is a deception.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: 5 Jun 98 14:56:28 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: 06/04/98
Message-Id: <3578071C.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> The moment I read your file on the internet, I wanted you. I'm a hot, young babe, just turned 18. My
> breasts are fully developed D cups and the rest of me is even hotter. I'm writing this stark naked,
> stroking my pussy. I want to go crazy on your cock, wrap my mouth around it, cover it with drool, rub
<snip>
> cover my screaming mouth with yours. I am your slave. You are my
> Master, now and forever. To reach me write: barbie_aATnospamhotmail.com
Something tells me that a person like this is having a relationship
with the devil. ;)
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:00:16 -0400
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamaurum.com>
To: kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: Barbie
Message-ID: <84DBEC04AE96D111808300805F850AB235A5E5ATnospamEX-DENVER-U1.baan.com>
<< So...did the rest of you get spammed by hotsy totsy love-hungry
Barbie via the kundalini list? I know k energy inflames the libido, but it
seems like this is just a wee bit excessive. :-) >>
Yep. Normally that kind of spam irritates me, but this was SO overdone, and
the k-list was so incongruous a place to find it, that I had to work hard
not to bust out laughing (my coworkers in the adjoining cubicles might not
have appreciated the racket, coffee break notwithstanding). I forwarded it
on to abuseATnospamhotmail.com anyway.
- Mike
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 12:57:39 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Responding or not to a lie (was Re: Subconscious pressure)
Message-ID: <35782383.97C3D09CATnospammail.snet.net>
Jose Arroyo wrote:
> Could it be possible that we are
> looking into the same thing from a different angle?
If there is disagreement this is always the case.
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 06:03:18 -1000 (HST)
From: Jackie Laughton <Jackie.LaughtonATnospambbc.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-Id: <199806051603.GAA22385ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>
I work for the BBC and we're making a documentary which will cover Kundalini yoga.
I'm looking for a skilled Kundalini yoga practioner who is based in England (preferrably near London) who would be happy to be filmed practicing the yoga and talking about it. Although I know of many people who practice Yogi Bhajan's form of Kundalini yoga. We would like to film the more extreme form where practioners are able to get themselves into extraordinary contortionist positions.
Do you know of anyone who could help me?
I look forward to hearing from you and thanks for your help.
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 10:35:19 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: moving the list
Message-ID: <19980605173519.5062.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
I can forsee a few days of problems and missed and missent posts but if
we all know about it it should take less than a week to get transitioned
over. Based on my experience on other lists and the explination our
keeper of the list gave, I say move the list!
If it'll get rid of some of the trash it'll help keep us focused and
that would be a good thing. Most of the last digest, including my
contribution, were in response to "Barbie" who probably couldn't spell
Kundalini without copying it from a sheet of paper in front of her and
having that proofed. We don't need help getting off topic and I for one
don't need any more spam from any sources.
Also, as I recall from other lists, majordomo handles the list version
differently, read that as much better. I believe it actually compiles
the digest version as one long message rather than the heading letter
and 10 to 30 attachments we get now. That way is much much better IMHO.
Now to respond to a post I must be sure to put everything I want to in
my response into the clipboard because when I hit reply (at least on my
e-mail system) I get none of the messages, only the header, because the
rest were attachments. That explains why this is "Re" with no original
text in it, I forgot to copy it before I hit reply and decided not to go
back and get it.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 12:22:53 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: Jack <sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net>, kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Dear Barbie
Message-ID: <35781B5C.25AF47C6ATnospamerols.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"
Thanks for putting it all in perspective, Jack! I just realized that
complete innocence is a potent protection from the uglies that get
shoved in our faces. Hopefully "Barbie" will grow up and find something
better to do with her time. Although now that I think of it, my Barbie
dolls haven't aged a bit in 35 years. Must have a good plastic surgeon.
Orea
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 19:31:46 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Subconscious pressure
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980605193146.00b82910ATnospampop.tel.hr>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 15:34 1998.06.05 +0000, Paul West wrote:
>> Lie is a statement that describes the nonexistent reality, but the lie
>> itself exists. If I say I have a million $$$, it would be a false
>> statement, describing non-existing reality (or non-reality, whichever you
>> choose), but the statement itself would exist. Saying that a lie doesn't
>> exist means having problems with definitions of terms. Object of a lie
>> doesn't exist, or exists in a different form than the lie indicates. The
>> lie can be the perversion of existing reality.
>
>I know all about lies. I've told enough of them. I seem to hide my tru
>self behind a seperation. I have a `face' that I put on with a false
>smile trying to keep the person happy to avoid conflict, and yet i
>feel seperate from this face, like I am observing it. But it isn'
>detatchment, it's seperation, and the strange thing is that the
>observer and the observed are the same lie.
Well, maybe sometimes some sort of polite facade can be necessary - you
don't want to go into eye-contact shaktipat with everyone you meet, do you?
;) But generally I think it is best to just be yourself and let others
worry about their reactions.
>> For instance saying that my
>> keyboard is yellow and made of butter is partially true, since the keyboard
>> exists but its nature is different, it isn't yellow and it is made of
>> plastic. I can also lie by adding non-existent attributes to the existing
>> reality - by saying the computers are evil, for instance. The computers
>> exist, but their nature is neutral.
>
>I have just become aware of a fact. I have been seeing other people as
>increasingly aware. It was like everyone was more alert, more self,
>more awake than I was. But I have started to see through this. What I
>was actually doing was /projecting/ my own self-conscious attitude (in
>a bad way) onto the world and was seeing this waryness in others. I
>thought it was theirs, that they were more wary and that I was scared
>of it. But fact is that I am conscious about myself, sensitive,
>paranoid, and because of this everything I look at seems to be me. As
>always.
People generally observe not other people, but their projections - the
things they like or dislike about themselves, and things like that.
Generally, it is easiest to notice something that creates the strongest
emotional response, and that is because of the attachment of some sort.
When there are no such motivations, things can be observed as what they
truly are - the way you would observe something that leaves you completely
calm and neutral.
>> In every single case, the false statements existed, they were real, and
>> something had to be done with them. One possible choice is to ignore them
>> completely. But the very fact that I choose to ignore them is the proof of
>> their existence.
>
>I have become very good at managing lies. I'm quite intelligent, and
>that makes it possible to lie more effectively. You see, stupid people
>don't lie. Or so it would seem. I think it is sometimes wise to `lie',
>and what is the truth that is supposed to be adhered to anyway. But
>mostly it is a deception.
I don't see much good reasons to lie, to not say the truth yes, but not to
lie. Lie comes out of fear. When you have no fear, the truth just flows
naturally.
:)
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 19:33:45 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: 06/04/98
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980605193345.00b824d0ATnospampop.tel.hr>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 14:56 1998.06.05 +0000, you wrote:
>> cover my screaming mouth with yours. I am your slave. You are my
>> Master, now and forever. To reach me write: barbie_aATnospamhotmail.com
>
>Something tells me that a person like this is having a relationship
>with the devil. ;)
Or with a vibrator. ;))))
The idea about moving the list is very good, this way we just end up
talking about interesting pieces of spam. :))
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Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 08:47:48 PDT
From: "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The unveiling
Message-ID: <19980605154754.23538.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
>Hello.
>
>It is nice when things come together, when instead of the
>rollercoaster of emotions there is a quietness and focus. There is a
>joy, and an awareness, that one can summon from the depths of oneself.
>It is an ecstacy, a bliss, and a great excitement. Passion even. It is
>literally an eye-opener.
>
>Over perhaps the past month I have seen a gradual increase in this
>immediate fullness. The most surprising thing about it that I have
>discovered entirely for myself, is that it is /intelligent/!!
>
>The essense of oneself, the consciousness, can be found when there is
>joy and when there is acceptance. And true confidence can bring it
>also. All the virtues, if one summons them into being one strangely
>finds that that which one is summoning is actually aware. In a way, it
>has a character, like it is a person, an intelligence, and it is God.
>How glorious that happyness can be far more than just an emotion!
>
>It seems possible to become actually closer to God, to be /faced/ with
>God, by asserting a godly and virtuous attitude and experience. I was
>most surprised to find such an intelligence and compassion lurking
>under the stone of heavy emotion.
>
>I suppose it is what it means to see oneself in all places. As one
>becomes more whole, the more virtuous and whole aspects of one's
>outlook act as portals or windows onto a heavenly intelligence, and it
>is /light/, and it is God. The light is actually ingelligent. It is
>alive.
>
>Giving love to something, it like opening up a channel right in front
>of your eyes, a little peek-hole through which you look at God. It is
>the light at the end of the tunnel or the drawing back of curtains.
>The more intensely and fully one does this the more one realises that
>one is actually unveiling something remarkable, and something which is
>staring right back at you. That's the surprising bit - finding
>mutuality there. Coming to /meet/ it, to meet life.
>
>By choosing to be compassionate and gentle and understanding and wise
>one is choosing to be faced with God. Why on Earth is anyone afraid of
>such a thing when it is so purely loving?
>
First, one has to SENSE this...
People commonly reject the unknown, no matter what it is.
>I feel that in my own life I have been increasing the degree to which
>I have reached out, and the exent to which the ideal has become
>manifest in reality and not just in the imagination. All this talk and
>contemplation of kundalini and its activities, and of seeing smiling
>faces and kind of practical jokes being played on me but in the
>greatest and most gentle of humour, it is like a great welcoming. An
>extraordinary welcome that certainly gives one a feeling of belonging.
>
>Behind the muck of the face-mask there is an ocean of your true self.
>it's such an embrace. By increasing ones awareness and open-mindedness
>and summoning a joyous attitude is like the heavens literally coming
>down out of the sky. If mankind does this as a whole it is going to
>become reality. Just as an unveiling, the beautiful heaven is just
>waiting to burst forth, not to teach us a single thing but to meet us
>as it. To visualise it, to be in the midst of God on Earth, one feels
>a tremendous warming in the heart. It is miraculous!
>
>For most of my life there has been an element of dislike in having to
>be happy. It has been often forced and often falsified. The whole
>issue of false smiles and so on. I never imagined it might be possible
>for there to be a worthwhileness to the smile, for one to /want/ to do
>it, not that it indicates a rise above the mark but because it makes
>one realise one is only ever coming up from below. A reason to be
>happy, a great attraction towards it. God is so attractive I feel I
>cannot resist! There's something almost sexual about it. :)
>
>I hadn't really imagined, that I could have a personal relationship
>with God.
We ALL have! Unfortunately we are not all aware of it!
Now you may have sense a feeling like WAKING UP...
It's not only about "unveiling" the world, but, first of all, YOURSELF.
You may start to SEE and HEAR what IS instead of what you think it is.
:-)
>
>--
>Paul.
Glad to see you in such a wonderful state!
Love and Joy,
Jose
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:49:49 EDT
From: DruoutATnospamaol.com
To: serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com, david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Moving the list.. was Re: Barbie
Message-ID: <72a37c17.35782fbeATnospamaol.com>
Dear Angelique,
IMO it's hardly worth moving just because of the little bit of spam I'm
getting from the list. Not unless you want to move for other reasons.
Love, Hillary
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 06:12:05 -1000 (HST)
From: David Mizrachi <david.mizrachiATnospamusa.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-Id: <199806051612.GAA25028ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>
Hi there.
I've been practicing energyworks for some time now, by using Taoist
techniques (a good book on the subject is Mantak Chia's 'Awaken Healing
Energy Through The Tao').
According to my opinion, the negative side effects of "the awakening of
kundalini", are similar to side effects which occur when the energy
is "stuck" in a sensitive area of the body. I'm not sure, but I think
that it's quite possible that "kundalini awakening", is nothing but a
misuse of the chi.
Energyworks can be a wonderful thing, but only if practiced safely.
Kundalini meditations, as far as I can tell, lead the user into a
situation, in which negative side-effects happen to appear.
It's almost as if Kundalini meditations were designed to abuse the
circulation of the energy in the body, thus causing side effects.
These side effects, make people mistakenly believe they are
experiencing some sort of an enlightenment.
... Just a thought folks ...
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:03:35 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Pakistan*psychics*
Message-ID: <fe606df1.35784f18ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 6/4/1998 9:56:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net writes:
<< I have always been a bit skeptical of those who claim to experience
certain phenomenae via an Internet Web Site. After communicating with
this man and reading some of the writings from our friend Harsha I'm
not as skeptical. Those of great goodness and spirit seem able to
project these qualities, no matter what the medium.
Jack >>
Harsha: Dear Jack, thank you for projecting your warmth. You are clearly very
perceptive. I sensed it from the beginning (especially since you showed
genuine appreciation of my humor:--)). You are right. Time and Space make no
difference for higher spiritual communication.
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 14:02:55 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: moving the list
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980605140255.009a3b10ATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 10:35 AM 05/06/98 PDT, Joseph Miller wrote:
>I can forsee a few days of problems and missed and missent posts but if
>we all know about it it should take less than a week to get transitioned
>over. Based on my experience on other lists and the explination our
>keeper of the list gave, I say move the list!
Still collecting votes.. but so far, the side that wants to endure the
spam and leave the list as it is, is winning.
They are enjoying the humor, and willing to exercise their delete key.
Cool for me..
Interesting, that the spam on the list increased right around the time
that I asked Lobster to stop posting jokes and he left in a pout.. some
kinda karmic balancing..??
What you are not taking into account in your decision making
process...which I do, and it is why I am resistant to the idea.. is the
net-work involved in moving the list..
The KRC K-list pages will all have to be updated, we are updating the
K-list website already so no big deal there.. but the kundalini list has
links and directory listings all over the place that will go out of date,
unless I keep an address open for the old list at execpc to forward folks
to the new list address.. and as long as I am paying a bill at excepc,
they might as well host the list.. know what I mean??
It's bigger than just moving us.. it is asking for the assistance of
everyone who supports the list by linking to it, to spend time updating
their links page so we can save a few moments by not having to delete the
odd bit o' spam..
With moving the website it is easier, coz Richard is willing to put a
linking page in place when the site moves..
>
>If it'll get rid of some of the trash it'll help keep us focused and
>that would be a good thing.
I think being focused is an individual responsibility.. blaming
environment or spam is illusory.
I too indulged ego with posting humor about Barbie.. perhaps it is our
resistance to spam that is attracting it.. :) With a light touch of spirit
humor.. we are getting mostly silly stuff.. I do wonder about it, why it Is..
>Also, as I recall from other lists, majordomo handles the list version
>differently, read that as much better. I believe it actually compiles
>the digest version as one long message rather than the heading letter
So does this one.. that's how everybody else gets it..
Joe, You are getting the Hotmail advertising surprise package.. they
are splitting up your digest into separate posts to allow them to send you
more spam.. one advert per post, right??
Sorry to disappoint you about hotmail, but there's no free lunch, as they
say..
>______________________
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>
.......no point blaming smartlist for that one.. bitch to Hotmail about it.
Or get a real email address.. they are fun. I have um.. let's see.. with
all the lists and servers and domains.. probably about 20 addresses I can
be reached at, but I usually just use one to avoid confusion.. :) Most of
them are not outgoing anyways, but the from field can say anything..
Mebbie we oughta use the K-phenomena list, which is sitting mostly idle,
to discuss the phenomena of K-list spam humor.. :)
Blessings, Mystress.
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 11:44:17 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from BBC
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980605114417.009a3100ATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 06:03 AM 05/06/98 -1000, Jackie Laughton wrote:
>I work for the BBC and we're making a documentary which will cover
Kundalini yoga.
<...>. We would like to film the more extreme form where practioners are
able to get themselves into extraordinary contortionist positions.
>
BBC... oh, I get it.. Barnum\ Bailey Circus!!
Are you looking for some sword swallowers also??
Perhaps Barbie can help.. :)
Blessings, Mystress.
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
-- Harry Emerson Fosdick
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 01:19:36 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>,
"Anurag Goel" <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
Subject: RE: Getting started
Message-ID: <000e01bd90e0$c9d07d80$1d6335c3ATnospamjb>
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charset="iso-8859-1"
Anurag asked:
> Can anyone explain astral projection?
> seeker,
First, one has to become conscious of the astral body. Then, one has to
increase the awareness of it to the extent that one is able to move it. The
astral body is linked to the physical body with a cord and moving away from
the physical body often induces fear. Unless this fear is conquered, no
astral travel is possible. So strictly speaking it isn't projection, but
travel. It isn't the only way for out-of (physical) body experiences; in
lucid dreams one has also the possibility to go where ever one wants to. As
in both states one can do things like touch the moon, some think several
siddhis refer to the state where one is operating in the astral body. These
practices are a kind of balancing on a razor's edge: with astral travel,
fear of breaking the cord or falling asleep - with lucid dreaming, the
thinking process has to be kept both going and controlled, else lucid
dreaming changes into a "normal" dream or one wakes up. When these things
come as a side-effect of one's spiritual practice, they are nice, but
compared to experience of Self, they are mere toys. If one wants to make an
effort, the practice of dream-yoga is useful in meditation and will enable
lucid dreaming.
Jan
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 01:19:57 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>,
"Mystress Angelique Serpent" <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Subject: RE: Moving the list.. was Re: Barbie
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Mystress wrote:
> Moving the list to majordomo will help a little.. I have postponed doing
> it coz it is a hassle for everyone.. even updating the links
> everywhere..
> Sigh.. slave to Goddess.. off I got to Esosoft to move the
> list.. updates
> to follow..
> any objections??
> Blessings List Mystresssslave Serpent...
> crawling off on my belly to hide from spammer technology..
In principle, spammers can invade everywhere, so moving the list won't be a
solution. Until now it hasn't been so bad. IMO a better solution could be to
change the rules and prohibit spamming explicitly (tresspassers will be
fined say, $50.000, if US law permits it). Any unrecognized E-mail address
could be replied to with a copy of the regulations and the owner of the mail
has to agree before mail is passed to the server. As this process can be
automated, it won't mean extra work to maintain the list and a member once
in a while posting from somewhere else won't object if the copy of the rules
is sent without delay.
Jan
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