1998/06/03 07:22
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #422
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 422
Today's Topics:
Re: Nadis - The Upanishads, Heart, a [ "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
All Humans Are Insane (was: Re: prim [ "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc ]
Re: All Humans Are Insane (was: Re: [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: The Upanishads, Heart, and the S [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Divine Interventions [ "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.co ]
Re: Apology and question [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: All Humans Are Insane (was: Re: [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Unidentified subject! [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Pakistan [ flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net> ]
Re: Re: Nadis - The Upanishads, Hear [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Pakistan [ "Walls" <MURPHY18ATnospamprodigy.net> ]
Re: Pakistan [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
RE: empathy [ "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.co ]
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:57:11 -0400
From: "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no>, <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Nadis - The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakti
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Hello, Magna, i think is your name.
>Sahashrara and Muladhara are called the two poles. There exists a cosmic
>energy in the head, and an Earth energy in the root. When Kundalini meets
>the head, it expects to find a "reserved place" there. But if there ain't
>any room there, because the head is preoccupied by the other pole energy,
>Kundalini begins to search endlesly, restless after a place to be, and the
>result may be a psychosis.
Or something more if you learn to surf the wave.
As for the reserved place in China they call it the spychic body. It was and
is still necessery at some stage to build such a psychic body or "reserved
body" when the ego was so closed to the pooring in of energy. The physical
body just could not substain it. Take for example at the philosophie level
the "inner space" created in the day to day mind by the discovery of
relativity. A mind thinking the earth or the sun or time or space are not
the center of the universe anymore can contain much more before exploding
into a spychosis or death of the body. Same goes at the political level and
religious organisation slowlly moving from monarchie to anarchie. Same goes
for the echo system, our identity as a body is more and more felt as part
whith the "echo" system (echologie, etc..) than apart from it. Which leaves
on other levels "doors" for a room. And the explosion of nuclear bombs...
They do create a lot of "space" to "put" the overloaded energy, knowing that
behind matter there is something that is the same than on the other side.
This chamber or spychic body is just a step in human evolution. IMO.
Surfing on the shadow and enjoying it.
Antoine
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:09:10 -0500
From: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
To: <amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us>
Cc: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: All Humans Are Insane (was: Re: primates and meat)
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>I rescued a turtle from the middle of the highway so it wouldn't get
>squashed. Then I had a little talk with him about taking care of himself
>and set him down in the sun by the lake. But then again, I had chicken for
>lunch today....
Me, too. I haven't helped a turtle recently, but I've helped a bird and
eaten poultry the same day before.
My point/complaint is as follows.
I'll do things based on one premise (i.e., that animals are "good" and
should be left unharmed) and then I'll do something based on a contradictory
premise (i.e., that it's okay to eat and kill animals). The perception that
I have isn't that people are inconsistent sometimes and that they can do
some silly things when they don't think about what they believe. The
perception that I have is that people are missing a huge piece of their
brain, and the gaping hole in their head causes them to do totally insane
things. My perception definitely applies to "normal" people.
"Normal" people in particular, actually, because they'll often base the
direction of their entire lives and their sense of self-worth on totally
false things... things that they would recognize as false if they would
re-examine their beliefs a little more carefully. Hearing someone say that
the foundation of their belief system is something which you recognize as
strange and totally illogical is a puzzling experience, indeed! Especially
when the person you're talking to is a part of the "mainstream."
Perfect example:
I'll go out of my way to help an injured insect, and I'll feel good about
doing so. I'll have done something "right" and I'll believe that I should
have done so. Not much later, I'll swat a fly because it bothered me, and I
won't think twice about it. Not until a good while later when I notice the
huge inconsistency and think, "What the hell did I swat the fly for? I care
about animals, right? Then why'd I swat the fly and not care? Maybe I
don't actually care about the animals. But then, if I don't care about
animals, why'd I help that injured insect? An emotional reward? I believed
that it was 'the right thing to do' and did so because of that belief, not
for some reward." And I won't really learn much from those lines of
thought. I'll just keep doing what I've been doing: helping the injured and
slaying the bothersome.
What the hell is wrong with all of our minds?
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 02:04:53 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: All Humans Are Insane (was: Re: primates and meat)
Message-ID: <3574E785.5E35CC6AATnospammail.snet.net>
Brent Blalock wrote:
> I'll do things based on one premise (i.e., that animals are "good" and
> should be left unharmed) and then I'll do something based on a contradictory
> premise (i.e., that it's okay to eat and kill animals).
Well, ego is a schism.That its' formula.
It is certainly not logical.
There's a chorus of voices each demanding something opposed to
the other.
That is madness.
Watch that!
But don't get caught up in the petty issue the conflict manifests.
You won't bring it all together on that level.
(i.e.if you pick whether or not it's ok to eat animals or not, and so on)
The conflict is the issue. No?
On the *consciousness* level.
You could spend a lifetime on that viscous wheel.
On the petty form level.
Don't.
Can you simply *feel* the conflict?
Without getting involved. Sucked in.
Would that have some type of an effect?
> The perception that
> I have isn't that people are inconsistent sometimes and that they can do
> some silly things when they don't think about what they believe.
What do you believe?
> The
> perception that I have is that people are missing a huge piece of their
> brain, and the gaping hole in their head causes them to do totally insane
> things. My perception definitely applies to "normal" people.
It's the schism that causes the insanity, no?When the voices aren't unified.
When the Voice is clouded out.
> "Normal" people in particular, actually, because they'll often base the
> direction of their entire lives and their sense of self-worth on totally
> false things...
You don't do this?
> things that they would recognize as false if they would
> re-examine their beliefs a little more carefully.
You're talking to yourself, no?(I am)
> Hearing someone say that
> the foundation of their belief system is something which you recognize as
> strange and totally illogical is a puzzling experience, indeed! Especially
> when the person you're talking to is a part of the "mainstream."
Mainstream, minorstream...Sometimes it seems an easy way out to say *they're*
all mad.
But it's only us.
> What the hell is wrong with all of our minds?
Nothing is wrong with Our Mind.
Peace
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 02:25:41 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakti
Message-ID: <3574EC64.2B586C36ATnospammail.snet.net>
AfperryATnospamaol.com wrote:
> Perhaps a 'seat of the Self' or something similar, either
> distinct from or part of the Heart Chakra?
In every cell lies all the genetic information to make a whole...
: )
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 02:15:35 PDT
From: "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Divine Interventions
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>Is it even possible that the *Force(s)* own certain people in divine
>relationship & require them to be entirely detached from community or
>earth relationships???
>This really rubs against the grain of 'we are all divinely connected in
>*love*', etc.etc.
>Could it be just a temporary phase, rather?
>Any ideas?
>vc
>--
>******
>"Don't let worry kill you off--let the church help."
>Valerie Cooper * http://geocities.com/SoHo/7982/
>
Valerie,
I'm new to this list and am lately reading a lot of the mails posted
here. Your posting got my attention...
There is no doubt that there are Divine Interventions (all the time) but
one may not be aware of them.
Besides these Interventions there are the personal choices we all have
and make using our Free Will.
As with the unawareness of the Divine Interventions one may be unaware
that everyone of us is connected through LOVE... Well dear one, this is
one (of many) illusions that reside in one own's mind, not in one's
HEART...
Being unaware of something does not mean that such does not exist :-)
Love and Joy,
Jose
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:50:59 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Apology and question
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for me pain occurs in hands and legs when i cut down my meditation which
is gone when I take my normal routine again.
Love,
anurag
On Tue, 2 Jun 1998 melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu wrote:
> Apologies to everyone who I might have offended last week by implying that
> vegetarians have stinky attitudes. To make peace I'll tell you about my
> great veggie sandwich I made last night:
>
> Get a big onion roll and split it. rub olive oil on the insides and
> sprinkle it with parmesian, dry garlic, oregano and black pepper. run it
> under the broiler until its as toasted as you like, then slap a big slice
> of sweet onion in it and eat it while its warm. Can't we all just stink
> together! :)
>
> There is a k-related part of this post! Has anyone ever had pain & numbness
> in the outside edges of the palm ( running down the outside of the little
> finger) or known this to be k-related? The only reason I think this may be
> k-related is because it started up in the right hand earlier this year and
> the pain got so bad I thought I had a bone spur. then suddenly it was gone.
> Now its in my left hand. Same place. Whatcha think?
>
> --Signalfire
>
> Rave on
> crazy feeling
> rave on
> got me rockin&reelin
>
>
>
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:03:12 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Brent Blalock <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
cc: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us,
Kundalini - L <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: All Humans Are Insane (was: Re: primates and meat)
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Hi Everyone,
Once a lion was chasing a deer and both of them entered the
Asharam of GURU SANDIPAN( SHREE KRISHNA'S GURU). As soon as
both of them entered lion forgot that he was chasing e deer
and deer forgot that it was being chased. such was the affect
that radiated from sage.
Also there is something more which i heard from someone.
When BHAGVADPADYA ADI GURU SHANKARACHARYA was looking for a
place to up a Asharam. He found that at one place snake was
protecting the frog with it's FAN(I don't know the english
word for it may be it's hood). he thought when there is such
love in this place where else can he find such a place on
earth to set up an Asharam.
Also the story of sage who always protected the scorpion from
drowning even after scorpion bite him every time he saved the
scorpion. when a passer by asked him what he was doing sage
replied. It's his nature or Dharma to save scorpion from
drowning and the nature of scorpion is to bite when felt
endagered. i think may be i have forgotten what the real
story was so someone who knows what the real story is can
correct me.
Raja(KIng) Shivi gave the flesh of his lap to eagle to save
the
piegon from eagle. Eagle wanted to feed on piegon. Piegon
asked for help from Raja(King) Shivi. Shivi protected him.
Eagle said u r protecting my prey if i Don't eat it i will
die. Then Raja (King) shivi offered him the Flesh of his
lap equal to the weight of piegon.
Also i have been trying not to kill ant or mosquito even
after they bite me. Just try to be in extreme love and pray
to god that they not bother me. I think the question is to
what extent one can sacrifice himself just like JESUS CHRIST.
To what extent one thinks his one life is dear to one.
Hope this sheds some light.
Love,
Anurag
On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Brent Blalock wrote:
> >I rescued a turtle from the middle of the highway so it wouldn't get
> >squashed. Then I had a little talk with him about taking care of himself
> >and set him down in the sun by the lake. But then again, I had chicken for
> >lunch today....
>
> Me, too. I haven't helped a turtle recently, but I've helped a bird and
> eaten poultry the same day before.
>
> My point/complaint is as follows.
>
> I'll do things based on one premise (i.e., that animals are "good" and
> should be left unharmed) and then I'll do something based on a contradictory
> premise (i.e., that it's okay to eat and kill animals). The perception that
> I have isn't that people are inconsistent sometimes and that they can do
> some silly things when they don't think about what they believe. The
> perception that I have is that people are missing a huge piece of their
> brain, and the gaping hole in their head causes them to do totally insane
> things. My perception definitely applies to "normal" people.
>
> "Normal" people in particular, actually, because they'll often base the
> direction of their entire lives and their sense of self-worth on totally
> false things... things that they would recognize as false if they would
> re-examine their beliefs a little more carefully. Hearing someone say that
> the foundation of their belief system is something which you recognize as
> strange and totally illogical is a puzzling experience, indeed! Especially
> when the person you're talking to is a part of the "mainstream."
>
> Perfect example:
>
> I'll go out of my way to help an injured insect, and I'll feel good about
> doing so. I'll have done something "right" and I'll believe that I should
> have done so. Not much later, I'll swat a fly because it bothered me, and I
> won't think twice about it. Not until a good while later when I notice the
> huge inconsistency and think, "What the hell did I swat the fly for? I care
> about animals, right? Then why'd I swat the fly and not care? Maybe I
> don't actually care about the animals. But then, if I don't care about
> animals, why'd I help that injured insect? An emotional reward? I believed
> that it was 'the right thing to do' and did so because of that belief, not
> for some reward." And I won't really learn much from those lines of
> thought. I'll just keep doing what I've been doing: helping the injured and
> slaying the bothersome.
>
>
> What the hell is wrong with all of our minds?
>
>
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:08:54 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: WEIVODAATnospamaol.com
cc: serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Unidentified subject!
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kristin i think to forgive is Divine. I remember King Yudhistra saying
KSHAMA HI DHARMA HAI, KSHAMA HI YAGYA HAI, KSHAMA HI MOSHA FAI ......
Hope someone on list who knows it full will say it full and translate it
too. I think to forgive like JESUS CHRIST one will have to be like JESUS
CHRIST.
Love,
Anurag
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On Fri, 29 May 1998 WEIVODAATnospamaol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 98-05-29 17:34:33 EDT, you write:
>
> >The stronger one, is "Never say never".. it came up first with Kirsten
> >saying how much pain her vow had brought her,
> >They insisted of the Titanic "Not even God can sink this ship".. So down
> >she goes, on her maiden voyage. That's what happens when you say "never" to
> >God. Bad idea.
> >Or the Buddha.. never refuse food and hospitality.. here is your
> >appetizer of poison mushrooms.
> >As soon as Ego sez "never", Never manifests to bite yer butt.
> >In a polarity based universe of limitless manifestation, every extreme
> >must have it's opposite truth somewhere.
> >It is the exception which proves the rule.. it is by embracing opposite
> >polarities we find the unity of Truth.
> >Any rule, even a simple one like: "It's not nice to hit people" will
> >always have innumerable exceptions..
>
> When I made my promise when I was eight, the word *never* was not used. I
> wrought that I would not resort to what my parents have done to me, and what
> they have done is wrong and was wrong, and I do not want to fallow in those
> foot steps. I do not believe in the word never.
> Love,
> Kristin
>
>
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 08:03:12 -0500
From: flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Pakistan
Message-ID: <35754990.15A1ATnospamtexas.net>
ok.. open your mind just a tad on the pakistan thing and forget that you
believe that American is the world gatekeeper.
India fired off missels, then Pakistan just proved that they can fire
off missels on the Afgan border..
..Did anyone notice that there was a massive Earthquake in Afganistan??
and just after the blast.. Now we know there is a fault line there..
..Did anyone notice that China isn't saying a thing. Don't ever
underestimate China.. They are waiting and watching and as a psychic I'm
telling you.. China will clean their clock before Congress wakes up, if
the two third world countries escalate more. Then we will have a true
power.. China to deal with.
Right now their stock market is giving them problems.. from 20,000 to
8,000 since Hong Kong was returned.. However.. Watch out World..
We have a very slow moving country for Justice because we get to lost in
the human rights issues. A country that is overpopulated may not have
those limitations..
ALSO..Americans don't realize that other countries think very
differently. My friend is Iranian and says.. You kill someone because
you are driving drunk and the *police*(whatever the name is for it) pull
you over, have you step out of the car and shoot you right there. Iran
isn't the only country to work that way.
Love,
flute
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:31:31 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: magneagaATnospammonet.no, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: Nadis - The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakti
Message-ID: <421b0695.35755034ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 6/2/1998, 8:02:28 PM, magneagaATnospammonet.no writes:
<<PART 3 The mantra
Add to the previous process, a mantra composed of two sounds.
During inhaling, and the upward movement through meda,
hear mentally the mantra SOOOOO ....
During exhaling, and the downward movement through meda,
hear mentally the mantra HAMMMM ...
(SO-HAM for males, SA-HAM for females)
This is a process of cleansing (shuddhi) the meda nadi from solar plexus
to the throath (Vishuddhi). Therefore the name Vishuddhi shuddhi.
Harsha: Hi Magneaga, I snipped most of your message to save the bandwidth. The
techniques you mention are classical methods and well known and are not unique
or specific to Kriya Yoga or any other branch of Kundalini Yoga.. The So -
Ham mantra, as an introduction to meditation, is used in both Hindu and Jain
Yogic and Tantric traditions. Ujjayi, Suryabheda, Bhastrika along with the
Bandhas, mudras and kriyas can be found in good Hatha Yoga books (which derive
them from Hatha Yoga Pradipika and Siva Samhita).
Magneaga: What sexuality is concerned: Many gurus states that celibacy is a
requirement during Kundalini Yoga. I would say that instead of denying the
sexuality, instead of suppressing it, instead of denying the natural Joy,
TRANSFORM it. Sexuality is energy, which can be transformed into an energy
form of illumination, insight. But in order to transform energy, you NEED
energy. You need the sexuality in order to transform it ! To deny sexuality
is to deny energy supply. And without energy supply you are dead, without
energy.
Harsha: My paper on Tantra Yoga, Kundalini Shakti and sensuality is on the
European Kundalini Home site. You may find it useful (I don't have the url in
front of me). I would also suggest you look into Ramana Maharshi's teaching.
Swami Yogananda of SRF, Swami Sivananda, various Shankracharyas and many
others went to have his Darshan and found his presence to be helpful.
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:32:04 -0000
From: "Walls" <MURPHY18ATnospamprodigy.net>
To: <fluteATnospamtexas.net>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Pakistan
Message-Id: <199806031331.JAA70116ATnospampimout1-int.prodigy.net>
Hmmm, interesting, reminds me of Nostradamus!
China-King of the Mongols.?(maybe)
Also, CII Q62,
"Mabus (antichrist) will soon die and there will happen a dreadful
destruction of people and animals.Suddenly,vengeance will appear,a hundred
hands,thirst and hunger, when the comet passes."
A hundred hands, would mean 50 of something to me. Gee. I wonder if maybe
this could represent the United States.
As for Mabus, most theorise that this is symbolic of the antichrist, some
do disagree however.
According to Nostradamus,"In the year 1999, and seven months from the sky
will come the great King of Terror. He will bring to life the great King of
the Mongols. Before and after war reigns happily."
Just food for thought!
Sorry to be off the subject of kundalini, couldn't resist this one!
:)----------
> From: flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net>
> To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
> Subject: Pakistan
> Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 1:03 PM
>
> ok.. open your mind just a tad on the pakistan thing and forget that you
> believe that American is the world gatekeeper.
> India fired off missels, then Pakistan just proved that they can fire
> off missels on the Afgan border..
> ..Did anyone notice that there was a massive Earthquake in Afganistan??
> and just after the blast.. Now we know there is a fault line there..
> ..Did anyone notice that China isn't saying a thing. Don't ever
> underestimate China.. They are waiting and watching and as a psychic I'm
> telling you.. China will clean their clock before Congress wakes up, if
> the two third world countries escalate more. Then we will have a true
> power.. China to deal with.
> Right now their stock market is giving them problems.. from 20,000 to
> 8,000 since Hong Kong was returned.. However.. Watch out World..
> We have a very slow moving country for Justice because we get to lost in
> the human rights issues. A country that is overpopulated may not have
> those limitations..
> ALSO..Americans don't realize that other countries think very
> differently. My friend is Iranian and says.. You kill someone because
> you are driving drunk and the *police*(whatever the name is for it) pull
> you over, have you step out of the car and shoot you right there. Iran
> isn't the only country to work that way.
> Love,
> flute
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:41:11 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: Walls <MURPHY18ATnospamprodigy.net>
cc: fluteATnospamtexas.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Pakistan
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We were speculating last night before we did a group sadhana if all this
year 2000 fear is creating some bad vibes worldwide that need to be
countered with lots of thoughts of lovingkindness and peace, and "enough
already!" (a call to commen sense and freedom from desire).
may all beings know freedom from suffering and its causes,
be joined to true happiness and its causes
be filled with equanimity, not holding some close and others afar.
and achieve the sublime joy.
--jhampa tsomo
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 06:52:34 PDT
From: "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: empathy
Message-ID: <19980603135236.1995.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Hello Paul and Orea,
My name is Jose, I'm quite new to this list and although I didn't
introduce myself yet I would like to respond to this posting...
>Hi Paul, You asked, "I wonder if hate has a place in love-to reject
>anything that is not virtuous and joyous." First I would like to
point
>out that you can reject something without hatred entering into it, you
>could even reject it lovingly.
>
>About seven years ago when I was channeling stuff from God, the most
>challenging thing he said to me was about learning to love the
>unlovable. I am still working on this:
>
There is no 'challenge' in doing whatever it is already done, learn that
what is already learned, try whatever many times has been tried.
The real challenge for some, or most obvious thing for others, is loving
everyone, independently of anything (race, age, gender, social status,
emotional/mental state, physical appearance).
For in doing that one will SENSE that we are ALL ONE.
>
>I wish, for a moment, you would try to look through my
>eyes at the people around you. Can you scrape away all of
>the mud, and paint, and rust? Can you look beneath the
>obscuring layers of artifice? Young or old, see who's
>really inside. Someone uncertain, a little shy, perhaps.
>Someone who needs to feel liked, who wants to be
>important, at least to someone... Even if surrounded by
>other people, someone who is utterly alone. Someone who
>needs to be loved.
>
>It isn't hard to visualize such a person, and to care
>for him. Or her. But what about the other type of
>person?
Are there other type of persons? Aren't we all alike?
In most fear is more present than LOVE, in others, it is the other way
around. What one senses is really a personal choice.
Many think that there is nothing to change for they think they can't do
anything about it. This is a great illusion.
One has life in one's own hands and we can mold it the way we want. It's
a blessing to have that freedom. It's a pity that we let others tell us
how to live...
>
>*How do you love the unlovable?*
>
(First of all, we are all "lovable".)
By just doing it.
The problem 'arises' when love is made something "personal", where this
personal feeling is linked with jealousy, possesiveness, conditioning...
This is not the love that connects all of us. This is the love that just
separates us!
>Loving isn'teasy. Striving for compassion is the first step. The one
"Loving isn't easy"
When I was a baby I had problems eating with a spoon without making a
mess. My parents told me how and I just did it. In the beginning it
wasn't easy at all (I imagine). Now when I eat I don't even think how I
have to... :-) It becomes a part of living.
During one's own lifetime one is confronted many times with signs (some
pass even without being noticed then). These signs shows us a way. They
are like a tool. But signs or tools by itself do not change a persons
life. It is (eventually) the Free Will of a person that will result to
such a Divine change.
>who hurts others is hurting, himself. When he strikes
>out, he does so in pain. He doesn't fully realize what he
>is doing, or he would not be doing it. If you keep that
Fully agree with you.
>in mind, it is possible to feel compassion for that
>person's foolishness. Such a person has a lot to learn.
>
>All men are one. Totally beloved. You are one with
>each other as you are one with me. All of creation is a
>part of me, indivisibly. Every iota is precious. When
>any part of my creation is damaged, the hurt is felt by
>me, as well. Therefore, when you hurt someone, or the
>world you live in, you are hurting your father who loves
>you, and ultimately, you are hurting yourself.
>
>Once a person truly understands this idea, he truly
>understands the deeper significance of the "Golden Rule".
>It doesn't just mean, "Do unto others as you would have
>them do to you," because it is "nice." It is inescapable.
>
>The one who hurts others IS hurting himself.
>
>
>Oh, I might add that it is not uncommon to dislike someone because
they
>*are* like us and mirror things we do not like in ourselves. As
always,
>your mileage may vary.
>
>Blessings,
>
>Orea
>
>
>
Love and Joy,
Jose
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