1998/05/31 09:03
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #418
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 418
Today's Topics:
Re: vivid pictures/pain (Never say N [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: vivid pictures/pain (Never say N [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakt [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: The Upanishads, Heart, and the S [ AfperryATnospamaol.com ]
The Judge [ "frans" <fransATnospamtelebyte.nl> ]
K-list members foto gallery [ "frans" <fransATnospamtelebyte.nl> ]
RE: Violence/spanking (was RE: Unide [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
RE: never turn your back on your cra [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
Licking Toads [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: The Upanishads, Heart, and the S [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Lunar Spiritual Path and Solar Spiri [ Hofe1ATnospamaol.com ]
REIKI CLASSES in Jacksonville Florid [ flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net> ]
Re: The Judge [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: never turn your back on your cra [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: The Upanishads, Heart, and the S [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
RE: The Upanishads, Heart, and the S [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
RE: The Upanishads, Heart, and the S [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Re: The Force of Self-Realization [ AfperryATnospamaol.com ]
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 11:26:11 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: WEIVODAATnospamaol.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: vivid pictures/pain (Never say Never)
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Hi Kristin!
>>It is okay not to want to inflict the hurts you received on others, but
>>you must give up judgment of those who hurt you, thus.. forgive them.
>>I have told you, you have having experiences of being "christed".. how
>>did he treat the people who hurt him? Follow that example.
>> Blessings, M.
>
>Yeah, I must give up the judgements of the people who have hurt me. I find it
>hard to forgive them, but I guess that is the only choice I really have other
>than not forgiving them. I have been trying harder each day to forgive them,
>but its a hard one. I will fallow that example.
Jesus said, "Forgive them, Father, for they don't know what they're doing."
I think it's easier to forgive people when you can see that they really
didn't understand what they were doing, how terrible it was, what it would
do to you. I'll bet if some super-social-worker could explain to them
exactly what they did, they'd say, "Well THAT isn't what we did! Was it?"
And, of course, sometimes people get so emotional that they lose track of
everything else, which I guess is another kind of not knowing what they're
doing. And a real lack of control, of maturity. In a way, they're like
people who didn't grow up.
Love,
Ann
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 11:30:55 -0500
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: vivid pictures/pain (Never say Never)
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>Yeah, I must give up the judgements of the people who have hurt me. I find it
>hard to forgive them, but I guess that is the only choice I really have other
>than not forgiving them. I have been trying harder each day to forgive them,
>but its a hard one. I will fallow that example.
>Love,
>Kristin
I am way behind in my email (reading the ones with the subjects that reach
out and grab me first) so I apologize if this has already been stated by
another. I agree that forgiveness is the ultimate goal.
However, I believe that one must also pass through anger first. I have a
friend who spent many years in depression while loving and forgiving her
abuser. Then she had a total breakdown and landed in the hospital. After
climbing out of the pit of insanity she started therapy. It was only after
she was able to be angry and confront this person, in a safe therapeutic
setting, that the healing and true forgiveness could begin. The depression
went away followed by years of anger which then went to a kind of
neutrality and is just now moving into acceptance and forgiveness.
The process has been ongoing for 15 years. Not that it should take that
long for everyone. But I am just trying to add some perspective here. There
are some extraordinary people on this list, but don't beat yourself up if
you cannot perform their feats of transformative magic. Do what you can
when you can and nurture yourself. Good things will happen on your own
personal timetable. Your process is unique to you. It is okay to honor that.
ALL WILL BE WELL,
amckeon
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 12:50:48 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: AfperryATnospamaol.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu,
hc19436ATnospamautovia.com (jb)
Subject: The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakti
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In a message dated 5/30/1998 4:44:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Afperry writes:
<< Dear Harsha,
In a message dated 29/5/98 6:00:33 pm, you wrote:
> Sri Krishna states in the Gita, "I am in the Heart of all beings....."
Alan: Indeed he does and I think this is one of the most poignant and
beautiful messages of the Gita/Mahabharata. <<snip>>
This has a deep meaning for all of us but again I feel the story is
figurative as though to emphasise "I am resident in you", not separate, not
far away up above the clouds. I am your inmost Self. <<snip>>
Harsha: Beautifully put Alan! Spoken like a Vedantic Sage. I think the term
"Heart" is both figurative and literal. For example, Katha Upanishad states,
"Radiating from the Lotus of the Heart there are 101 nerves. One of these
ascends to the thousand petaled Lotus in the brain." Prasna Upanishad states,
"Prana (the reference is to Kundalini Shakti) is born of the Self. Like a man
and his shadow, Self and Prana are inseparable.....Self dwells in the Lotus of
the Heart whence radiate 101 nerves." The reference to the Heart or the Cave
of the Heart recurs throughout Upanishads. If Jan or Kurt or others have
comments on this or if there is Kundalini literature in other traditions which
speaks on this topic, it would be nice to know.
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 14:09:14 EDT
From: AfperryATnospamaol.com
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakti
Message-ID: <9ed4310f.35704b4bATnospamaol.com>
Dear Harsha,
In a message dated 30/5/98 5:50:48 pm, you wrote:
<<..Self dwells in the Lotus of the Heart whence radiate 101 nerves>>
But surely this refers to the Heart Chakra. Do you feel that the rishi is
actually trying to tie down the Self to one location, the Heart Chakra? From
what you said earlier, Ramana would not have supported that location either!
And it just doesn't seem to correlate with the rest of Vedantic tradition.
Again, my only thought is that of the Self's omnipresence, therefore its
presence in every Lotus, which is consistent with your above-quoted reference
. Are you aware ('cos I am not) of any scriptural statement to the effect
that the Self can ONLY be contacted through the Heart/Cave i.e. can we narrow
this down at all?
One point I should make though, in favour of your 'literality': in my
experience, the Heart is the prime source of all bliss/ananda. It emanates
initially from the Heart then permeates through the rest of me. So what is its
source....................?
God bless,
Alan
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 01:24:16 +100
From: "frans" <fransATnospamtelebyte.nl>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: The Judge
Message-Id: <199805302320.BAA23571ATnospamdegas.telebyte.nl>
Beloved List, i would like to talk about something. Some years ago,
in a training, we had some kind of "love yourself" exercise. Standing
in front of the group, we were to speak out that we loved ourselves,
that we were great etc. To my embarrasment i couldn't do it.
Looking inside for great things about myself to tell, i couldn't find
any. I only saw things that were not so good... of course i could
have said some things people always say about me, but really, i
couldn't find things i was proud of myself. When it was my turn, i
was on the brink of anger and tears. Luckily the trainer saw what i
was going trough and offered to talk about it afterwards. In a
private session with her, discussing this, i found out that for years
i had been pushing away pride or good things about myself because i
would label that as "ego". In my interpretation of spirituality and
ego i couldn't be proud of myself... Some days after that i came
across a text from Bhagwan saying we always should feel good about
ourselves, no matter what, "ego" means trying to feel good trough
comparing with others. That was some kind of explanation, but
still...
Some day, this week, while falling asleep, something went trough my
mind in a flash about this. I could see the truth of it. Funny how
the mind works: while it happened i thought, if this is important i
will remember it tomorrow, and i happily continued drifting away to
sleep. Would it have been an answer to a minor problem i would have
been thinking of that day i would have been excited and wide awake!
But it was there next morning and i could see how i have used popular
concepts of spirituality and enlightenment to keep myself down. How
my mind has turned them into 'shoulds' and 'musts'. How there's a
kind of judge in the back of my mind, and this judge knows what
spirituality and enlightenment is all about. He is condemning almost
anything i do because it's not perfect, and shows me how
un-enlightened i am, and how far i still have to go....
Having typed this, i will treat myself to a glas of wine and another
cigarette, thanks for listening to me on this saturday night...
frans.
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 01:24:46 +100
From: "frans" <fransATnospamtelebyte.nl>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: K-list members foto gallery
Message-Id: <199805302320.BAA23587ATnospamdegas.telebyte.nl>
X-No-Archive: yes
Hello all, once in a while i would like to point out that there's a
page of pictures of k-list members at:
http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/we
I would love to have some more, so if you would like to join, send me
a picture, or point me the way if you have one on the web.
Snail mail:
Frans Storms
Priemstraat 1
6511 WC Nijmegen
The Netherlands
Frans.
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 00:42:05 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: <amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Violence/spanking (was RE: Unidentified subject!)
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amckeon:
[...]
> Now I'll ask another question that is none of my business: How do you earn
> a living? Someone like you must be doing something really
> fascinating. I am
> curious since that is the biggest problem in my own life at the moment.
>
Jan:
I had a job in electronics engineering (design) for a magazine. It was an
easy job with a lot of freedom, fun, big holidays (up to 6 weeks) and much
spare time. However, nine years ago a cornea-transplant reached the age of
120 and got infected. An operation followed, but the first transplant was
rejected (immune system too strong) and so was the second. Because the eye
involved was dominant, it ended my career twenty years too early. Only with
a light-intensity > 100.000 Lux visibility is acceptable, so I have to live
in the tropics and according to law, as a retiree. At present, in Tenerife
but as nothing binds me, I could go anywhere.
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 00:42:01 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: <jenny.hillATnospammail.utexas.edu>, <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: never turn your back on your crap
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com [mailto:Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com]
> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 1998 11:36 AM
> To: jenny.hillATnospammail.utexas.edu; kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
> Subject: Re: never turn your back on your crap
>
>
> In a message dated 5/30/1998 1:19:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> jenny.hillATnospammail.utexas.edu writes:
>
> << In a message dated 5/29/1998, 1:31:29 PM,
> sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr writes:
> >><<You see, while I hadn't finished cleansing my system, I had
> crap all over
> >>me. So I never knew whether the crap I felt was mine or it
> belonged to the
> >>others.>>
> >> >>
> Harsha: No the crap is your own. To think it belongs to someone
> else is the
> >>fantasy of your ego.
>
> Jenny: Hey... your both wrong... it's my crap and I want it back NOW!!
>
> Dang, I was wondering all my crap disappeared to!
>
> (wink)
>
> Harsha: Sure Jenny. It is over at Danijel's house. He is
> building a swimming
> pool with it. Evidently it helps him with his cleansing exercises:--).
>
Jan: Could it be that he needs all the crap he can get for the practice of a
novel sadhana in Samrambha-yoga? :-)
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 19:31:07 -0500
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Licking Toads
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Brent wrote:
>Methinks that people who think that licking ice cream is on the same plane
>as licking toads have never licked toads.
Methinks that people who think that licking toads is the same as licking my
toes have never licked my toes :D
amckeon
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 21:01:48 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: AfperryATnospamaol.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakti
Message-ID: <68521a76.3570abfeATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 5/30/1998 11:09:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Afperry
writes:
<< Dear Harsha,
In a message dated 30/5/98 5:50:48 pm, you wrote:
<<..Self dwells in the Lotus of the Heart whence radiate 101 nerves>>
Alan: But surely this refers to the Heart Chakra.
Harsha: You point to the central issue dear Alan. I believe it refers to the
Spiritual Heart and not the Heart Chakra. This is a very precise distinction
in my experience. Ramana Maharshi also very clearly pointed out that the
Spiritual Heart that he spoke of as the Self was *not* the Anahata or the
Heart Chakra of Kundalini Yoga. The location of the Heart Chakra is in the
center of the chest. The "location" of the Spiritual Heart is slightly right
to the center of the chest and is felt somewhat lower.
Alan: Do you feel that the rishi is actually trying to tie down the Self to
one location, the Heart Chakra? From what you said earlier, Ramana would not
have supported that location either! And it just doesn't seem to correlate
with the rest of Vedantic tradition.
Harsha: I do not think the Self is being tied to one location. Just as the
experience in Sahasarara relative to the body is pointed out as being in the
brain, the experience of the Heart relative to the body is pointed out. The
different points of experience at different parts of the body exist from the
point of view of the mind. From an absolute perspective, the body, brain and
the mind along with the perceived universe exist in the Self.
Alan: Again, my only thought is that of the Self's omnipresence, therefore its
presence in every Lotus, which is consistent with your above-quoted reference
. Are you aware ('cos I am not) of any scriptural statement to the effect
that the Self can ONLY be contacted through the Heart/Cave i.e. can we narrow
this down at all?
Harsha: I agree with that. I think the Self is the Self and one can become
aware of it from any center. All the lotuses exist only in the Self and the
Self is present at all points. The Upanishads, which are the sacred books of
the Hindus, appear to give special prominence to the Cave of the Heart. Ramana
Maharshi has talked about the Amrita Nadi that connects the Sahasarara with
the Spiritual Heart (Cave of the Heart).
Alan: One point I should make though, in favour of your 'literality': in my
experience, the Heart is the prime source of all bliss/ananda. It emanates
initially from the Heart then permeates through the rest of me. So what is its
source....................?
God bless,
Alan >>
Harsha: The Source is the Self. Thanks for your scholarship Alan. If you come
across any other literature on this please let me know. After being on this
list for sometime, I have again become interested in reading certain books.
You often write God bless or blessings after all your posts. it is delightful
to read. So let me say that God bless you Alan with all that is best in life.
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 21:24:07 EDT
From: Hofe1ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Lunar Spiritual Path and Solar Spiritual Path
Message-ID: <a0cb557c.3570b138ATnospamaol.com>
I would like to say that there are all kinds of religions for all kinds of
people. None are inherently better or worse than another. As for what a lunar
path is as compared to solar path, I would like to go into some detail.
A solar path is one that is concerned with an ultimate authority that has
some final say on the aspirant's quest. A priest, padre, mullah, guru or
minister demands some total obedience based on theology or past experience.
The aspirant must measure upto these standards. Usually the faith of the
aspirant is lifelong and unwavering. There is an insistence that the teachings
not be modified or changed as to method or practice. And that one must guard
against heresy. There is also a dichotomy between master vs. slave, body vs.
soul, heaven vs. earth, high born vs. low born. Also is the feature that man
serves God and woman serves man. There is also to some extent an exhaltation
of man compared to woman. Famous is the Jewish prayer Thank God, I was not
born a woman. There is also a fear of woman as a corrupter. Under the bright
light of the sun, there are strong contrasts between light and shadow.
In a lunar path, under the soft light of the moon, everything blends with
everything else. Within a powerful king is a poor medicant. A teacher has
within him a bit of the student. Method and practice of spirituality are all
very individual for each practioner in order to fit that person's needs. A
seeker on the path may have several different teachers on his/her way to
enlightenment. Woman and man are neither inferior and or superior to eachother
and each contain a germ or essence of the other. The earth itself is the
sanctuary, mosque, church, etc. of the aspirant. The body and soul are
complements of eachother. Sex is as sacred as meditation. Woman and man can
see the universe in eachother. People that are gay are seen as part of the
universe, and have their rightful place in it, and have just as much right to
self realization as anyone else. For example the Native American Indians, both
respected and loved their gay and lesbian brothers and sisters. The trees and
animals are revered for their guidance, healing properties, and symbolic
powers. Rivers, mountains, and lakes are valued for their healing and
meditative energy. One develops a love and grounding to mother earth in order
to be receptive to father sky. Introspection is valued over external guidance.
Gentleness is favored over severity, and there is no central authority to
cling to.
With love and respect,
Dave
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 20:52:54 -0500
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Subject: REIKI CLASSES in Jacksonville Florida
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I will be traveling to and holding Reiki Classes at the Cobalt Moon
in Jacksonville Florida on August 8 & 9 (Level 1 & Level 2
respectively).
If anyone is in that area and would like to attend send an email
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Everyone is invited however there is a special twist if you are a
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Signed off by the Dean of Continuing Education at San Antonio College
Reiki and Love,
flute
aka
Carolyn Maloney
Date: 31 May 98 02:52:58 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Judge
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Frans:
> Beloved List, i would like to talk about something. Some years ago,
> in a training, we had some kind of "love yourself" exercise. Standing
> in front of the group, we were to speak out that we loved ourselves,
> that we were great etc. To my embarrasment i couldn't do it.
Are you middle-aged, with bushy wavy brown hair, kind of cuddleable?
Just that when I read someone saying something like this I ask on a
very subtle level what this looks like and a picture comes to me and
this is what I saw. Maybe it is irrelevant.
Have you ever tried remote viewing?
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Date: 31 May 98 02:41:46 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: never turn your back on your crap
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jb:
> Jan: Could it be that he needs all the crap he can get for the practice of a
> novel sadhana in Samrambha-yoga? :-)
For the practice of what?
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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 20:14:37 -0700
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakti
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Thank you very much for bringing this up!
This has been an important subject for me for a long time. I would love to
hear others' views and experiences.
My impression from things I have read here and there in the Upanisads
(Muller's translation) and elsewhere, is that there is something "about the
size of a thumb" which often dwells in the "cave of the heart". But
sometimes it can become smaller, "the size of a spark" and travel about
within the body.
Is this also connected to the thing which, at death, travels from the heart
to some oriface to leave the body? To the crown chakra, or the eye or mouth
etc, and this affects rebirth?
Mary
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>Harsha: /snip/ I think the term
>"Heart" is both figurative and literal. For example, Katha Upanishad states,
>"Radiating from the Lotus of the Heart there are 101 nerves. One of these
>ascends to the thousand petaled Lotus in the brain." Prasna Upanishad
states,
>"Prana (the reference is to Kundalini Shakti) is born of the Self. Like a
man
>and his shadow, Self and Prana are inseparable.....Self dwells in the
Lotus of
>the Heart whence radiate 101 nerves." The reference to the Heart or the Cave
>of the Heart recurs throughout Upanishads.
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 13:55:19 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: "Afperry" <AfperryATnospamaol.com>, <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>,
<keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakti
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Harsha wrote:
For example, Katha
> Upanishad states,
> "Radiating from the Lotus of the Heart there are 101 nerves. One of these
> ascends to the thousand petaled Lotus in the brain." Prasna
> Upanishad states,
> "Prana (the reference is to Kundalini Shakti) is born of the
> Self. Like a man
> and his shadow, Self and Prana are inseparable.....Self dwells in
> the Lotus of
> the Heart whence radiate 101 nerves." The reference to the Heart
> or the Cave
> of the Heart recurs throughout Upanishads. If Jan or Kurt or others have
> comments on this or if there is Kundalini literature in other
> traditions which
> speaks on this topic, it would be nice to know.
There has to be a difference in function between the "two" heart-chakras. In
the chakras, used by K, at times the characteristic burning sensation can be
experienced. In the chakra at right of anahatha this is never the case. It
is always perceived as a point, connected to several nadis. One of the
differences is the time of activity. Experiencing the K. related chakras and
the heart chakra at the right was never simultaneous and the existence of
the chakra at the right was experienced much later than the others. Because
several times during walking meditation I experienced the absence of body
feelings, gravity included, chakras are never experienced as a seat of Self.
Jan
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 07:55:10 -0700
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
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Subject: RE: The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakti
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At 01:55 PM 5/31/98 +0100, jb wrote:
>several times during walking meditation I experienced the absence of body
>feelings, gravity included, chakras are never experienced as a seat of Self.
Yes, I think I recall Yogeesh Acharya telling me that the chakras remain
with teh body when you are having out of body travel.
Mary
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 11:04:57 EDT
From: AfperryATnospamaol.com
To: annfisherATnospamstic.net
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Force of Self-Realization
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Dear Ann,
In a message dated 30/5/98 3:44:01 pm, you wrote:
> "The tortoise can withdraw its legs;
> "The seer can withdraw his senses."
Thank you for reminding me of this; such beautiful imagery that does more to
help us understand the yogic process than any amount of verbal description. (I
assume your quote is from the Gita Chap. 2: at least, that's the only text
where I know the tortoise imagery is used; please correct me if I am wrong!).
Have you read Yogananda's commentary on the Gita? (Published under the title
'God Talks to Arjuna' in two large volumes). Y's commentary is totally yogic
and really opens up the Gita in a remarkable way, bringing out deep yogic
meanings that are absent from any other commentary I have come across. Quite
an eye-opener.
God bless,
Alan
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