1998/05/29 17:59
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #416
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 416
Today's Topics:
Re: samskaras? PS - TeamK [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: Karma/2 (was: Re: meat&sin&laugh [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Divine Interventions [ valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska. ]
Re: Food [ "loba kola" <lobakolaATnospamcsrlink.net> ]
Re: Food [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: samskaras? PS - TeamK [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: samskaras? PS - TeamK [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: samskaras? PS - TeamK [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Kristin Love <ekstrandATnospamsprintmail.c ]
Re: Food [ WEIVODAATnospamaol.com ]
RE: Beating around the bush (was RE: [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamaurum.com> ]
Re: meat&sin&laughter [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Never say Never... [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Depression and spiritual practice [ Hofe1ATnospamaol.com ]
RE: Violence/spanking (was RE: Unide [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
RE: Relationship with Physical Body [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
Re: Never say Never... [ WEIVODAATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Food [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: Collision Detection [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:03:59 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: samskaras? PS - TeamK
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On Fri, 29 May 1998, Danijel Turina wrote:
> Now go and realize your self somewhere, I'm getting sick of your
> predictable shit.
to point the finger at another and accuse is a signal of a dualistic
state. if there is 'crap' there is simply crap.
it is something to get sick of, but to call another to deal with it when
karma takes two to make anything arise, is a bit misleading.
instead of cheap shots, why not a shovel? another holding the bag.
there are not any innocents in this game. nor guilties. just a lot of
problems. we should all be looking for the solutions. even
problem/solution is a dual pair, but i lack a better understanding of it
to express myself with.
--janpa
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:03:19 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Karma/2 (was: Re: meat&sin&laughter)
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>I just thought of something.
>
>DAO said:
>>i prefer to reserve a good word like f*** for those times when one really
>>needs it. Its too precious to just throw around like that no?
>
>
>i prefer to reserve a good f*** for those times when one really
>needs it. Its too precious to just throw around like that no?
You are hilarious!!
:)))))))))))))))))) ROTFL :))))))))))))))))
I appreciated your earlier comments too.
>My question is: Do you really know
>about it? Do you believe it exists because a guru told you? Do you believe
>it because you're unwilling to believe that it doesn't exist? Do you
>believe it because it kind of makes sense to you and for no other reason?
>These are reasons that a bunch of people believe certain things -- bad
>reasons. What I see on this debate is indicative of those kinds of reasons
>for believing things.
Actually, I'm not a believer. I always want to see for myself, to know,
like doubting Thomas. Fortunately, it turns out that most of the time, you
can, as Thomas did.
Of course, I can't see everything for myself. If an astronomer or
physicist says something, I don't have the know-how or the expertise to go
see for myself. Just have to see what the most reliable authorities say
and accept that provisionally until something else surfaces.
If my guru tells me something, I accept it provisionally and act on it,
because I trust him and I know he has a good reason for everything he says.
----------
>I don't swear much, either. <snip> But
>when I feel some strong emotion, it feels like no other word(s) will do. I
>used the word then because I was kind of annoyed by the behavior of some
>people in the pro-/anti-vegetarianism debate.
Well, I know that, I didn't think you were talking about some physical
action. So why not understand other people's use of such words in the same
way, instead of saying, "Then they threatened to rape the meat eaters with
power tools."
----------
>Then DAO said:
>
>>if i dont keep my pratimoksha vows, the imprint on my mind is pretty
>>obvious. Try stealing something after you've taken a vow to not 'take what
>>is not given'. [...]
>
>I see... I just saw people talking about karma and it sounded like they
>didn't really know what they were talking about.
It's always a pleasure finding someone who's open-minded and ready to learn!
Love,
Ann
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:01:32 +0000
From: valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Divine Interventions
Message-ID: <356E8775.5FFAATnospamptialaska.net>
Is it even possible that the *Force(s)* own certain people in divine
relationship & require them to be entirely detached from community or
earth relationships???
This really rubs against the grain of 'we are all divinely connected in
*love*', etc.etc.
Could it be just a temporary phase, rather?
Any ideas?
vc
--
******
"Don't let worry kill you off--let the church help."
Valerie Cooper * http://geocities.com/SoHo/7982/
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:28:27 -0400
From: "loba kola" <lobakolaATnospamcsrlink.net>
To: <melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu>, <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Food
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melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu wrote:
:If all you vegs are so dang compassionate, why don't ye hush on up with all
:this defensiveness?
huh? this is getting rather hilarious. number one, this 'veg' had been
very quiet, not saying one word one way or the other while many threw these
blanket generalizations around regarding vegetarians and vegans. HELL
OHHHH. did i say a damn thing? no, yet, i , as a vegan had a blanket label
thrown on me and i didnt care for it. so i spoke up. vegans are
'sanctimonious' because the ones on this list give a fuck? im
'sanctimonious' because i have convictions and the theoretical balls to act
on them? ok fine, give me the goddamn label, there, i'll stick it on my own
frigging chest.
loba kola
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:35:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: loba kola <lobakolaATnospamcsrlink.net>
cc: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Food
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ok boys & girls, time for a trip to the time out corner no?
you have five minutes, get there NOW!
--janpa in her mode of Mother Tara
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:42:38 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: samskaras? PS - TeamK
Message-ID: <356F0FAE.19B1170CATnospammail.snet.net>
Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com wrote:
> Harsha: No the crap is your own. To think it belongs to someone else is the
> fantasy of your ego.
So true indeed.To believe otherwise is a trap.
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:34:38 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: samskaras? PS - TeamK
Message-ID: <4f2b886d.356f0dd0ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 5/29/1998 10:58:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr writes:
<< Now go and realize your self somewhere, I'm getting sick of your
predictable shit. >>
Harsha: Perhaps you are getting sick of yourself:--). It is a start.
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:45:16 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: samskaras? PS - TeamK
Message-ID: <356F104B.15ED453DATnospammail.snet.net>
Danijel Turina wrote:
> I'm getting sick of your
> predictable shit.
Certainly not the words of one in an experience of Unity.
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:45:32 -1000 (HST)
From: Kristin Love <ekstrandATnospamsprintmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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I am urgently looking for a Kundalini yoga instructor in my area. No luck thus far. I am in Thousand Oaks, CA which is in Ventura County. Please help.
Thank you,
Kristin Love
ekstrandATnospamsprintmail.com
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:54:29 EDT
From: WEIVODAATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Food
Message-ID: <420e2a2c.356f1276ATnospamaol.com>
Just a thought... Why are we making such a great deal out of this whole issue?
It makes no sense what so ever. Would it change your view of me if you knew I
was a vegan? I do not think it should. It is a choice one makes, just like all
the other choices you make in the day. Of course not everyone will agree with
your choice but that is okay, you could argue for days, but all you are doing
is running around in circles. Can someone explain to me why we are beating
this around the bush?
Kristin
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:27:40 -0400
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamaurum.com>
To: kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: Beating around the bush (was RE: Food)
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Oh, there was a fair bit of this, off and on and with various topics, when I
was on the K-list last November through January (though the language seems
to have escalated a bit since then). I try to just ignore it and use the
"Delete" key a lot, since "hot" conflicts tend to make me physically ill,
even via e-mail.
On the whole, though, this was a tolerant bunch (and I assume it still is -
I recognize many of the same friendly names on the posts - and thanks for
the "welcome back", Harsha, it's good to be back). Heck, they put up with a
fundamendalist, evangelical conservative Christian like me for a long time
:-). I don't rudely whack anybody with a Bible, they don't rudely whack me
with a [fill in appropriate religious/philosophical book or object].
- Mike
> -----Original Message-----
<< Just a thought... Why are we making such a great deal out of this
whole issue? It makes no sense what so ever. Would it change your view of me
if you knew I was a vegan? I do not think it should. It is a choice one
makes, just like all the other choices you make in the day. Of course not
everyone will agree with your choice but that is okay, you could argue for
days, but all you are doing is running around in circles. Can someone
explain to me why we are beating this around the bush?
> Kristin >>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:09:06 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: meat&sin&laughter
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>Hi Roberto! :)
>
>At 23:14 1998.05.28 -0500, you wrote:
>>Ann, take no care about people with intentions. This is getting too personal
>>and egos of so called light workers are jumping. Mystresses´post was about
>>to apply for a Ricky Lake Show or Sally´s talk show. Let them scream and
>>grrr all they want.
>>It is the truth what we percieve.
You see more truly than you think, Roberto.. and your metaphor is perfect.
Sally and Ricki Lake shows are mostly scripted. faked. Lotsa unemployed
actors in Hollywood.. one of my "slaves on probation" was just on "Jerry
Springer"..
Real, too, tho.. a good actor really feels the emotions of the role they
are playing, even while knowing it to be a role.
Yeah I can be the bitch Goddess and still stay grounded..Hello!!
No kidding, it's why I get the big bucks. Shaktipat and torture at the
same time, no problem.. it all lies in detachment... when the acting is
good, it's real. But it's still acting.
At 11:01 AM 29/05/98 +0200, Danijel Turina wrote:>
>The most tragic part of all that was the total inability of self-appointed
>energy workers to see through a simple astral/mental mirroring I performed,
>something most of my students can not only understand, but do themselves.
<...>
>When it wasn't sad and disappointing.
dear, sweeeet Danijel: Guess what: You get what you pray for. Goddess
provides.
You want to play illusion games to disappoint yourself when folks give
the illusion back to you, have fun at it. Wheee.. oops, but you are sad
when you get what you ask for.. but then you are not sad coz you get to
feel justified in spewing your ego based criticisms.
Kundalini and bipolar disorders, eh? Boing boing boing.
I see you.. peek-a-boo.. you told us all, months ago, that you only swear
when you are wanting to create an emotional reaction in someone else..
takes zero psychic ability to remember what was in an earlier post. Duh.
So whenever you are swearing, I give you what you are asking for..
Goddess provides.. there ya go the illusion of an emotional reaction.. a
Ricki Lake script.. for you.. of love.. coz I know the real reason you
play these games is because you really need to hang onto your ideal of
yourself as some kind of superior omniscient being. The wunderkind who is
ahead of everyone.. see it, know it, been there myself.. get's lonely at
the top eh?
Mebbie that is why you are sad.
So long as you are considering yourself superior to everyone, of course
you will find everyone disappointing.. get what you pray for.. you do not
dare to consider mebbie your experience comes from your expectations, eh?
You conveniently leave that bit of cosmic mirror out of your thinking..
coz that would wreck the game.
For myself, I like to play with you.. but usually you say you don't
wanna.. so when I see you swearing I know you are asking to play, so I jump
right in.. Wheee!! Let's see how much we can disappoint Danijel! He is
needing an ego-fix of superiority.. to feel that he is worthy and Goddess
loves him and thinks he is special.
Moving ego of self up by pushing ego of other down.. hey guess what.. I
am the expert.. done it every which way, and know it to be an illusion. We
are all equal. The better I strive to be the counterpoint villain seeking
sympathy, the bigger charge you get out of preaching your superior aloof
nature.
The hero isn't a hero without a worthy villain... :) Glad to be of service.
I want you to know that Goddess thinks you are special, so I give you
what you think you need. Till you don't need it anymore. Till you figure
out one day, that you can be real and humble, even, be wrong and stupid..
mundane and unawakened... and Goddess will still think you are special..
Goddess thinks every person and every ant is special, and every rock..
I really do want you to be happy, Danijel.. Goddess is willing to give
you Her head, of course she is willing to play the inferior villain in your
Holy Hero fantasies.. Peek-a-boo.. I love you..
Hello.. Wouldn't give you my time and energy if I didn't...:) It's
valuable stuff, ya know.. the moments of my very life.. that which is most
precious.
Even tho I know, predictably that this entire post will get distorted
when it goes thru your "superiority filters", and in response you will
probably laugh like you know a secret, offer extra smiley smiley faces and
tell me to have fun in my world of fear. sigh. Or not deign to respond at
all.. (shrug) Aloof control strategy..
I keep at it coz I know how lonely it gets, being an "aloof" coz I used
to be one.. sometimes still am.. so I have some sympathy with the trap it
is.. and I keep hoping you will surprise my expectations and be real.
One good challenge for my own aloof stuff, is telling "baby bird murder"
stories from my childhood and trusting my offering of self will be
understood in the spirit it is intended.. and not being disappointed if it
is not.
It's a win/win, for me.... either you will behave predictably, and I will
be happy knowing you are feeling better about yourself.. building your ego
up in your usual way.. or you will surprise me and I will be happy to see
the real Danijel come out from behind the pose.
Love you either way. Love to play with you.
With grand enthusiasm I await.. Blessings, Mystress.
To cheer up a lion in the zoo is easy: make eye contact with it and be
the first to look away.. Poor king of the beasts loses "staring contests"
with humans all day long, and to win one, for a change, makes the lion
cheer up visibly.
Doesn't work the same with a snake: they have no eyelids so they always
win the staring contest.
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:01:03 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Never say Never...
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Observing the kerfuffle lately, two things come to mind.. the first is
resonant Mirror of all that is.. WE can only see in another, what is true
of ourselves.. everything we say about another, we are speaking of
ourselves.. everything outside is inside is outside..
The stronger one, is "Never say never".. it came up first with Kirsten
saying how much pain her vow had brought her, carried thru the food
threads, into spanking and judging Gurus who yell.
Every action creates an equal and opposite reaction. As soon as we make a
vow or say "never", we are taunting the Goddess of Limitless Manifestation,
and limiting Our perceptions of Divinity.
The more adamant we are, in our resistance <which is the ego idea of
"never" taunting "limitless, eternal",> the more potent the reaction will be.
They insisted of the Titanic "Not even God can sink this ship".. So down
she goes, on her maiden voyage. That's what happens when you say "never" to
God. Bad idea.
Or the Buddha.. never refuse food and hospitality.. here is your
appetizer of poison mushrooms.
As soon as Ego sez "never", Never manifests to bite yer butt.
In a polarity based universe of limitless manifestation, every extreme
must have it's opposite truth somewhere.
It is the exception which proves the rule.. it is by embracing opposite
polarities we find the unity of Truth.
Any rule, even a simple one like: "It's not nice to hit people" will
always have innumerable exceptions..
"Except slap them in the face if they are hysterical"
"Except if you are in Karate Practice"
"Except if the child or adult asks to be spanked"
"Except if you are trying to teach them to behave differently"
"Except if they are murdering your child/your Mom/a stranger"
"Except when playing Hockey."
"Except if you are a Zen Master with a cane".
"Except if they are hiring you to hit them."
Or "it's not nice to kill people"
"except if you are the government"
"except if they have killed someone else"
"except if it is a war"
"except if they are trying to kill you."
"except if they are a beloved suffering from a terminal disease and they
beg you to help them die"
"except if the person you kill is yourself"
Whether you agree with these exceptions or not, is not the point. I don't
agree with some of them, either. The point is, the road to hell on Earth is
paved with good intentions.. what somebody else needs.. and all of the Good
intentions of "Never" are really a message telling Goddess you need a
miracle of faith: to see never happen before your eyes.
The more you cling to Never, the worse it gets. Equal and opposite
reaction.
I would not say, "I never want to kill", because in honesty, once I
adamantly believed myself to be an utterly pacifistic person, then twice in
my life circumstances manifested where I have sincerely contemplated
murder.. well, really, who has not?
Once out of mercy and once out of anger.. and both times I wisely gave my
feelings up to Goddess to handle.. not my decision to make. Thankyou
Goddess.. pass on that cup.. Limitless manifestation can find a better way
than I am thinking of, to give to those, whatever it is they need.. I have
not the wisdom to know it, when I am blinded/polarized by the judgments of
my own intense emotions.
Having gone to both polarities.. anger and mercy.. and come back to the
middle place of surrender, it is my hope that I am finished with the issue
and will not be faced with it again this lifetime. But I cannot know for
sure, and I'll not make a judgment on it, that would only be a magnet to
draw the polarity to me again. More bliss, more slack, thankyou Goddess.
These days, it is my habit to automatically look for the opposite view,
the exception that proves the rule whenever faced with my own judgments..
coz of the comfort when they depolarize and cease to become issues. Poof.
With little rules and issues I seek the opposite truth.. the exception..
with bigger ones, I push them and stretch them out to the extremes of the
ridiculous, then in laughter the polarity snaps back of it's own weight,
into unity. The issue no longer has any weight.
That, after all, is why we share and discuss on this list.. every time
the issue of food comes up, there are flame wars.. and every time the flame
wars are less intense.. even tho we have a continual influx of new members.
We would have no discussion if we simply said "I agree" to every post..
instead, there is a list policy suggesting if that is all you have to say,
you are encouraged to post it private, direct.
Three cheers for differences of opinion.. without them I could not see my
judgments, to balance their polarity into a middle path.
Blessings, Mystress.
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 18:43:44 EDT
From: Hofe1ATnospamaol.com
To: serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Depression and spiritual practice
Message-ID: <852db3e1.356f3a21ATnospamaol.com>
Dear Mystress:
You said that you had a slave that had probelms with depression. Is he making
any progress, and what are your ideas on this problem?
Best wishes,
Dave
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 00:29:18 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: <amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Violence/spanking (was RE: Unidentified subject!)
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amckeon:
> You are actually making my point for me :)
Jan:
wait and see...
amckeon:
> Disassociating from the pain causes one to disassociate from one's own
> body. [...]
Jan:
Dissociating from the body never happened. The pain was transformed into a
perception without the "added value" of suffering. It didn't stop the
feeling, but instead of victim I became observer. The event triggered my
inventivity, so that it became impossible for my parents to punish me. Being
locked up in a coal-shed, I blackened myself and my cloths. Being locked up
in the toilet, I clogged the drain-pipe. Being locked up in the wardrobe, I
removed buttons from cloths. My mother took over as the main educator and
she reasoned things out with me instead of using physical violence.
amckeon:
> You have not escaped the violence... it is still stored in your body. And
> if you continue to remain unconscious of it, you run the risk of
> passing it on. Can you honestly say you have never raised your hand
against another
> human being? Are you married? Have you had children yet?
[...]
Jan:
I have more than one reason to be sure that I escaped violence. One reason
is, that practice of dream-yoga enables one to meet the contents of the
unconscious. I can vaguely remember a few fights (age 7...8), where
self-defense was the only way out. At an age where (almost) everyone starts
thinking about marriage etc., the results from my spontaneous sadhana (a
better description than spontaneous K.) were such, that I was "hooked"
forever and relationships could not add anything. So I stayed single and
have no children. BTW, getting them would be quite a feat for a male :-)
Jan
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 00:29:08 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: <hpatel5ATnospamnotes.cc.bellcore.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Relationship with Physical Body
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Hemant wrote:
> Can anyone explain to me if there is any relationship between the size of
> chakras and Kundalini with the
> the physical size, weight, frame etc. of the human body? Or are they two
> completely independent entities?
To my knowledge there is no relationship between physical properties and K.
One is born with a certain amount of life force and this is more or less a
constant. There are only two possibilities to make more energy available:
optimal health (permanent "extra") and pranayama (temporary "extra" useful
in raising K.).
Jan
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 20:09:12 EDT
From: WEIVODAATnospamaol.com
To: serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Never say Never...
Message-ID: <74adaa5.356f4e2aATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-29 17:34:33 EDT, you write:
>The stronger one, is "Never say never".. it came up first with Kirsten
>saying how much pain her vow had brought her,
>They insisted of the Titanic "Not even God can sink this ship".. So down
>she goes, on her maiden voyage. That's what happens when you say "never" to
>God. Bad idea.
>Or the Buddha.. never refuse food and hospitality.. here is your
>appetizer of poison mushrooms.
>As soon as Ego sez "never", Never manifests to bite yer butt.
>In a polarity based universe of limitless manifestation, every extreme
>must have it's opposite truth somewhere.
>It is the exception which proves the rule.. it is by embracing opposite
>polarities we find the unity of Truth.
>Any rule, even a simple one like: "It's not nice to hit people" will
>always have innumerable exceptions..
When I made my promise when I was eight, the word *never* was not used. I
wrought that I would not resort to what my parents have done to me, and what
they have done is wrong and was wrong, and I do not want to fallow in those
foot steps. I do not believe in the word never.
Love,
Kristin
Date: 30 May 98 01:02:19 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Food
Message-Id: <356F5A9B.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> Just a thought... Why are we making such a great deal out of this whole issue?
> It makes no sense what so ever. Would it change your view of me if you knew I
> was a vegan? I do not think it should. It is a choice one makes, just like all
> the other choices you make in the day. Of course not everyone will agree with
> your choice but that is okay, you could argue for days, but all you are doing
> is running around in circles. Can someone explain to me why we are beating
> this around the bush?
Maybe this is a lesson being undertaken on a more collective level.
--
Paul.
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Date: 30 May 98 01:10:07 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Collision Detection
Message-Id: <356F5C6F.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> The main reason for doing it using a collision bitmap is for speed when
> checking
> for collisions against walls. Since I use this method there is no need to
> have the
> walls in a regular pattern. In fact I am thinking of making the levels drawn
> as a
> collection of graphics objects placed at particular screen coordinates
> rather
> than my current grid based approach.
I can see how that would be highly beneficial.
> Since we are talking about this subject I have a question for everyone! I
> am using a 1-bitplane bitmap for collision detection and each of my shapes
> has to be blitted to the collision bitmap as well as the main bitmap. The
> problem is that the main bitmap is 8 planes and I want to blit my 8 plane
> shapes onto the 1 plane collision bitmap. However when I try to use Blitmode
> Solidmode and then blit to the collision bitmap of course I get the error
> "Shape
> has too many bitplanes". Does anyone know how I can blit the mask of an 8
> plane shape on a 1 bitplane bitmap. I don't want to have to completely
> rewrite my blitting routines! (Although if someone comes up with a good
> new blitting library I might be tempted to use it instead :) )
Ok. I take it that at some point you do a clearscreen on the
1-bitplane bitmap. Instead of clearing it to 0, clear it to 1. Then
use EraseMode. It should only require blitting of the object's
cookiemask, a single bitplane. If it doesn't that's bad design by the
blitz creators.
Maybe you should have seperate shape objects that are 1-bitplane masks
and use them for the collision detection. For example, in deluxe
paint, load in your 8-plane iff resource, stencil all colours and draw
a filled box over everything. Background colour should be locked. THen
reduce screen format to 1 bitplane and save off to grab your
mask-shapes.
Alternatively, in blitz, use `ShapesBitmap' to make a dummy bitmap
object of the shape, and then use `BitplanesBitmap' to select only the
highest bitplane, and make sure that you only use palette colours 128
to 255. Grab a shape from that bitmap and use it to blit 1-plane. Bit
of a fudge mind you.
I'll be supporting what you want to do in my library, ie
single-bitplane blit-collision. But it wont be ready for a while yet.
>
> --
> Marcel Weber <mwATnospamcaverock.co.nz>
> (Xar on #Amiga Undernet/AmigaNet)
>
--
Paul.
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