1998/05/29 08:22
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #414
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 414
Today's Topics:
Karma/1 (was: Re: Karma: was meat&si [ "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc ]
Karma/2 (was: Re: meat&sin&laughter) [ "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc ]
Re: meat&sin&laughter [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: meat&sin&laughter & Gurus [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Fingers [ Chris Hughes <aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co. ]
RE: The Force of Self-Realization [ AfperryATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Violence/spanking (was RE: Unide [ James Paterson <rockyATnospamww.co.nz> ]
Re: Food [ James Paterson <rockyATnospamww.co.nz> ]
Re: meat&sin&laughter [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Food [ melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu ]
Re: meat&sin&laughter & Gurus [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: The Force of Self-Realization [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Karma/1 (was: Re: Karma: was mea [ "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Re: karma [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: Karma/2 (was: Re: meat&sin&laugh [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
toad-lickin' good? [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Carnivores vs herbivores [ onarresATnospaminreach.com ]
Re: Carnivores vs herbivores [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 02:02:58 -0500
From: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
To: "Ann Morrison Fisher" <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
Cc: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Karma/1 (was: Re: Karma: was meat&sin&laughter)
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>Brent!
Ann! :)
[[[ Part the First ]]]
I said: >What the fuck do any of you know about karma?
Then Ann said: >What are you so angry about?
I'm not angry, really. I'm more annoyed. I think that a bunch of people in
the pro-/anti-vegetarianism debate were saying things that were kind of
baseless and not thought over. They didn't seem to take much time to
understand the other viewpoint or re-examine their own beliefs. The
pro-meat-ies say, "Mother nature made predators, so it's okay for me to prey
on the innocent as long as I thank them for it." And the pro-vegg-ies say,
"You meat-eaters are sick and remorseless." Then they threatened to rape
the meat eaters with power tools. I thought that all that was pretty silly.
I was going to ignore the discussion ("if you don't like it, you don't have
to read it"), but I either felt that some of them could benefit from a
reality check or got too annoyed to remain quiet. A mixture of the two,
most likely. Some people were claiming things that I really doubt they've
verified. I really wanted them to see how they were acting.
[[[ Part the Second ]]]
I said:
>I'm willing to bet that you
>don't have any special senses that let you know when you're accumulating
>karma.
And then Ann said:
>Oh, kind of scary is it, to think karma might be real? That it might be
>possible to know about it?
No, the thought doesn't frighten me. My question is: Do you really know
about it? Do you believe it exists because a guru told you? Do you believe
it because you're unwilling to believe that it doesn't exist? Do you
believe it because it kind of makes sense to you and for no other reason?
These are reasons that a bunch of people believe certain things -- bad
reasons. What I see on this debate is indicative of those kinds of reasons
for believing things.
[[[ Part the Third ]]]
I said: >I'm also willing to bet that your knowledge is all second-hand,
Then Ann said: >That's what you're hoping... cross your fingers and spit in
the river...
I also said:
>and
>that you all don't really believe in it deep down. I'm certain that every
>person has been totally full of it at some point in their lives, myself
>included, so I'm not saying that you're all abnormally misinformed or
>anything. But I think you people need to do a little reality check.
After which, Ann said:
>Looks like it's your reality that's wobbling in the breeze. Hmm, I hope
>there isn't a big wind coming...
No. I think you've got me all wrong. I don't feel threatened at all by
karma or the belief in karma. I just think that the debating has
degenerated into squabbling, and I wanted people to think about what they
say and what they believe.
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 02:15:12 -0500
From: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
To: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
Cc: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Karma/2 (was: Re: meat&sin&laughter)
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[[[ Part X ]]]
I once said:
> What the f*** do any of you know about karma? [...]
Then DAO said:
>if i dont keep my pratimoksha vows, the imprint on my mind is pretty
>obvious. Try stealing something after you've taken a vow to not 'take what
>is not given'. [...]
I see... I just saw people talking about karma and it sounded like they
didn't really know what they were talking about.
[[[ Part X ]]]
DAO said:
>thank you for questioning my beliefs. it helps one learn patience & stuff.
Well, I was shooting for the desire to question beliefs and to seek
knowledge, but patience works about as well. :)
[[[ Part 1 ]]]
DAO also said:
>btw: its my karma to hate the f-word. is it really of necessary function
>to use it in this context? certainly other language would be just as
>skillful and get the point across just as well.
>
>i prefer to reserve a good word like f*** for those times when one really
>needs it. Its too precious to just throw around like that no?
I'm sorry for making you uncomfortable, and I would have *'d out part of the
word if I had known how you felt.
I don't swear much, either. When I swear in a casual conversation (with no
strong emotion behind the word), it feels tacky and awkward for me. But
when I feel some strong emotion, it feels like no other word(s) will do. I
used the word then because I was kind of annoyed by the behavior of some
people in the pro-/anti-vegetarianism debate.
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:01:40 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: meat&sin&laughter
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Hi Roberto! :)
At 23:14 1998.05.28 -0500, you wrote:
>Ann, take no care about people with intentions. This is getting too personal
>and egos of so called light workers are jumping. Mystresses´post was about
>to apply for a Ricky Lake Show or Sally´s talk show. Let them scream and
>grrr all they want.
>It is the truth what we percieve.
The most tragic part of all that was the total inability of self-appointed
energy workers to see through a simple astral/mental mirroring I performed,
something most of my students can not only understand, but do themselves. I
put on an energy image and the image was perceived as myself. By the same
people who give other people advice about handling energies, or knowing
Self. I would ask, if they are not capable of something that simple, that
just requires a little bit of intuitiveness, why take their advice? Autor
of the grounding exercise is totally ungrounded. The guy who tells people
to look inside to "who is asking" is crazy with anger and
not-that-much-repressed hathred. The guy who tells people he mirrors them
to point to their flaws, was completely confused with an energy layer of
the lower kind.
Why was that? I was wearing the thing they all repressed and exorcized,
their conscience. As they attack it in themselves, they attacked it when it
was shown to them on the outside. It is obvious that these people are
limited by their egoistic choices, they feel guilt and all sorts of things
but they don't want to. I don't want my car to show me there isn't enough
gas in the tank. Turning off the indicator ain't gonna make the tank fuller.
So what I say is...
With such a choice of "beings of light", the next steps in the human
evolution, and self realized yogis, on the list dedicated to Kundalini and
all that stuff... well, maybe I just had the chance to hear the loudest
ones with the most frustrations and guilt, but it doesn't look good.
Just for the information, when "self realized" Harsha and "ground crew of
the Goddess" and all the other "enlightened and calm" beings were ranting
and raving and sending me the "love" as they see it, I was in nirvikalpa
samadhi in my car talking to my brother about some aspects of buddhism that
could match his experience of Void, and common points in hrdaya sutra
("gone gone totally gone..." as perfect expression of what he experienced,
or got glimpses of...) and Mike Oldfield's "Ommadawn". Unmanifested Nothing
and manifestation as many united as two sides of the coin.
It was very funny to read observations/advice about how my state was bad
for my heart and liver. ;))))))))))
When it wasn't sad and disappointing.
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:07:26 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: meat&sin&laughter & Gurus
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At 21:47 1998.05.28 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 5/28/1998 5:33:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Hofe1ATnospamaol.com
>writes:
>
><< Dear Lobster:
>
> How should a Guru or Swami or whatever tell the student what he needs to
> hear? It's kind of a sensitive subject with me. There are some that
violently
> yell and scream at their students the "truth". >>
>
>Harsha: If someone has to yell and scream the "truth" they should not be
>posing as gurus. Lack of self - awareness is common among many so called
>spiritual teachers. Somehow or another their students will justify the
>abnormal behavior of the "teacher." The spectacle of blind leading the blind
>and confusing each other is both comical and sad.
One more reason why you shouldn't pose as a guru or a self realized person,
you should first get rid of your enormous ego. Ego in a very bad sense,
meaning impurity+arrogance+ignorance+frustration. Fortunately, you can be
helped if you want to be.
The way things are now, you just create a comical and sad spectacle of
predictable ego-motivated responses.
-----
E-mail : sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr
Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:16:56 +0100
From: Chris Hughes <aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co.uk>
To: FRANKMcQUEENATnospamcompuserve.com, idritchieATnospamzetnet.co.uk,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Fingers
Message-ID: <1998052910165684101ATnospamzetnet.co.uk>
Dear Souls
I would like to make the observation that we are all unique.
The only thing that we have in common Is a faith in somthing greater
than our individuality and the divine spark with in ( Sai Baba,
Godess Kundalini or any other Name that suits our belief system)
I have ten fingers all with different finger prints, these fingers
live in harmony to lift.
Our differences are not important, just so much noise. Passing time
in new experiences or setting rigid in old. No matter. We all came
from the same THAT and I believe return by our own route to the same THAT.
A good friend of mine Sandy clarified simply, some things that had
been confusing me. He said "we are co creators with God, every
thought action deed is our creation and must come back to us where
else could it go?"
All return to That where else could we go.
For me this clarifies Karma and other related questions.
Chris
Sai ram
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 06:28:46 EDT
From: AfperryATnospamaol.com
To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: The Force of Self-Realization
Message-ID: <307624b8.356e8de0ATnospamaol.com>
Dear Harsha,
In a message dated 28/5/98 3:41:22 pm, you wrote:
>Harsha: Alan, what you say makes sense and evidently Jan agrees with you. I
>expressed my views on this matter sometime back. You might wish to examine
>the difference in description of Nirvikalpa Samadhi between Sri Ramakrishna
>and Ramana Maharshi. Your insights on the difference (if you find there to be
>any) would contribute nicely to the discussion and would be appreciated.
Alan: Yes, I recall postings on this subject a few months ago (perhaps this
topic is destined to be another hardy perennial?) but I regret that I do not
keep old postings for more than a week so I cannot check back over them. Tant
pis.
Therefore may I simply say that:
A) I am aware of various great souls who insist that all higher spiritual
states arise from K activity;
B) I am not aware of any great souls who say this is definitely NOT the case
(please correct me if I am wrong; there are some who might best be classed as
abstentions);
C) my own meagre experience tallies nicely with A) above.
Game, set and match to kundalini :-)
God bless,
Alan
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 22:54:51
From: James Paterson <rockyATnospamww.co.nz>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Violence/spanking (was RE: Unidentified subject!)
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>not want to grow up to be like them. I still have that piece of paper
today, I
>have never broken that promise with myself. I must say though that promise
has
>also brought much pain to me, since I have followed it so well.
>
>Love,
>Kristin
>
Well done on sticking to your promise. (I wonder if the middle way of the
buddha might have application in situations like this - i.e. not going from
one extreme to the other?)
best rocky
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 22:55:00
From: James Paterson <rockyATnospamww.co.nz>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Food
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At 06:45 PM 5/28/98 -0400, you wrote:
>ok, now, this is getting wierd or something isnt it? im vegan. dont eat
>carcass, no milk, no eggs, no cheese, no honey, no leather, no products that
>contain or test on animals. guess what? im still allive and much healthier
>than my carcass eating friends. some of my family and friends still eat
>carcass but i love them anyways. so what. i dont. i have diabetes in my
>family and carbs knocked me on my ass sometimes because my sugars screwy.
>but since i became totally vegan I DO NOT HAVE SUGAR LEVEL PROBLEMS. search
>the web for vegetarian and diabetes links if you care to become more
>informed. so you can guess how pissed i am to hear someone who is probably
>not a vegetarian/vegan say something definitive about sugar levels and
>vegetarianism. to be perfectly blunt about it, those i know who have
>become veggies, dont stink as much now either, to be perfectly blunt,
>carcass eaters have a hoagie armpit smell that never goes away no matter how
>much deodorant they use. like they have a half a regular tucked under each
>armpit. know why? because it is a fact that flesh that is consumed
>putrifies in the intestines for a long time before being sent to sea. that
>putrification is released (like nicotine for smokers) through the pores too.
>that smell is bacteria/rancid putrid flesh that was consumed, and you can
>look it up if you think im blowing air out my ass. no pun intended. those
>i know who have become veggies also have better attitudes as compassionate
>human beings. they also are less likely to die of cancer, heart disease,
>obesity, etc etc. i no longer get even a simple cold much less any other of
>the afflictions that the carcasss eaters i know seem so prone to. i lack
>nothing in my diet, loaded with proteins and the proper carbs, vitamins,
>minerals, etc. i am telling you, that as a vegan, i am totally healthy, no
>more sugar problems, no health problems. so when can we get back to k* ?
>
>loba kola
>
So true. I wish I was vegan. I heard recently on the BBC a scientist
explaining new research that showed that vegetable material moves food
through you quicker and soaks up toxins produced by meat. (among other
things). He observed that the Swedes I think eat more meat than the Brits
but have less cancer. He felt from his research that the reason was the
swedes were getting much more vegetable fibre in their diet. There were
other benefits from plant fibre too. Being helpful for controlling
diabetes was one. Another thing they had found was wheat fibre causes
planned cell death of damaged cells which would otherwise be a risk for
cancer. I certainly hope to move my diet gradually toward more raw
vegetable material with time.
best rocky
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:00:05 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: meat&sin&laughter
Message-ID: <e4f7e624.356eb156ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 5/29/1998 2:09:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr writes:
<< Just for the information, when "self realized" Harsha and "ground crew of
the Goddess" and all the other "enlightened and calm" beings were ranting
and raving and sending me the "love" as they see it, I was in nirvikalpa
samadhi in my car talking to my brother about some aspects of buddhism
......>>
Harsha: Thanks for the laugh of the day Danijel. Be well my friend:--).
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:22:36 -0400
From: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Food
Message-Id: <l03130300b19465597b49ATnospam[198.28.38.107]>
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loba kola wrote:
> to be perfectly blunt about it, those i know who have
>become veggies, dont stink as much now either, to be perfectly blunt,
>carcass eaters have a hoagie armpit smell that never goes away no matter how
>much deodorant they use.
Dietary habits have a well documented history of producing bodily odors.
The Vietnamese could often smell the Americans during that war because
Americans ate dairy and the Vietnamese didn't. Americans were said to smell
like old cheese.
> those
>i know who have become veggies also have better attitudes as compassionate
>human beings.
On this point I'm glad your experiences have been better than mine. The
vegs I know, list-buddies included, are sanctimonius and overbearing about
their dietary superiority.
If all you vegs are so dang compassionate, why don't ye hush on up with all
this defensiveness? Hooray for the veggies! Hooray for the carnivores! Some
stink, some just think they don't.
--Signalfire
This mellow thighed
snake just put
my spine out of place ...
---- slanted David Bowie
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:25:33 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: meat&sin&laughter & Gurus
Message-ID: <e6637df5.356eb74fATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 5/29/1998 2:09:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr writes:
<< Harsha: If someone has to yell and scream the "truth" they should not be
>posing as gurus. Lack of self - awareness is common among many so called
>spiritual teachers. Somehow or another their students will justify the
>abnormal behavior of the "teacher." The spectacle of blind leading the
blind
>and confusing each other is both comical and sad.
Danijel: One more reason why you shouldn't pose as a guru or a self realized
person,
you should first get rid of your enormous ego. Ego in a very bad sense,
meaning impurity+arrogance+ignorance+frustration. Fortunately, you can be
helped if you want to be.
Harsha: Well thanks for the offer but I will pass:--). I suspect you have your
hands full trying to help yourself :--)))).
Danijel: The way things are now, you just create a comical and sad spectacle
of
predictable ego-motivated responses.
Harsha: Oh yes! Thanks for reminding me. I had almost forgotten how
predictable I am and how "psychic" you are:--).
>>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:13:19 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: AfperryATnospamaol.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Force of Self-Realization
Message-ID: <3a1ddaa8.356eb471ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 5/29/1998 3:28:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Afperry writes:
<< Dear Harsha,
In a message dated 28/5/98 3:41:22 pm, you wrote:
>Harsha: Alan, what you say makes sense and evidently Jan agrees with you. I
>expressed my views on this matter sometime back. You might wish to examine
>the difference in description of Nirvikalpa Samadhi between Sri Ramakrishna
>and Ramana Maharshi. Your insights on the difference (if you find there to be
>any) would contribute nicely to the discussion and would be appreciated.
Alan: Yes, I recall postings on this subject a few months ago (perhaps this
topic is destined to be another hardy perennial?) but I regret that I do not
keep old postings for more than a week so I cannot check back over them. Tant
pis.
Therefore may I simply say that:
A) I am aware of various great souls who insist that all higher spiritual
states arise from K activity;
B) I am not aware of any great souls who say this is definitely NOT the case
(please correct me if I am wrong; there are some who might best be classed as
abstentions);
C) my own meagre experience tallies nicely with A) above.
>>
Harsha: Alan, I agree with you. My earlier suggestion in comparison between
Ramakrishna and Ramana pertained to their description of Nirvikalpa Samadhi.
The classical Yoga schools speaks of Sahasharara as the ending point for the
Shakti and therefore Nirvikalpa Samadhi. Ramakrishana's experience is
consistent with that. The Upanishads speak of the Cave of the Heart as the
Seat of the Self. Ramana Maharshi's experience is consistent with that.
Since you are familiar with the Upanishads I was curious, what your views are
on the matter.
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:40:15 -0400
From: "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>,
"Ann Morrison Fisher" <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
Cc: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Karma/1 (was: Re: Karma: was meat&sin&laughter)
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>>Brent!
>Ann! :)
>I said: >What the fuck do any of you know about karma?
>Then Ann said: >What are you so angry about?
>
>I'm not angry, really. I'm more annoyed. I think that a bunch of people
in
>the pro-/anti-vegetarianism debate were saying things that were kind of
>baseless and not thought over. They didn't seem to take much time to
>understand the other viewpoint or re-examine their own beliefs. The
>pro-meat-ies say, "Mother nature made predators, so it's okay for me to
prey
>on the innocent as long as I thank them for it." And the pro-vegg-ies say,
>"You meat-eaters are sick and remorseless." Then they threatened to rape
>the meat eaters with power tools. I thought that all that was pretty
silly.
>
>I was going to ignore the discussion ("if you don't like it, you don't have
>to read it"), but I either felt that some of them could benefit from a
>reality check or got too annoyed to remain quiet. A mixture of the two,
>most likely. Some people were claiming things that I really doubt they've
>verified. I really wanted them to see how they were acting.
Brent and all,
It's interesting to wacth how the polarizarion on the list over food or
culture followed the first nuclear bomb explosion in Pakistan. Is the war
between Pakistan and India not based on the same energies, in some ways,
that brougth the line of thought about food (cultures). Maybe are we burning
with k those earth energies released stronger with the nuclear explosions in
some way. Who knows?
A reality check, is indeed a good idea for humanity.
Antoine
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:15:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
cc: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: karma
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On Thu, 28 May 1998, David Bozzi wrote:
> Debora A. Orf wrote:
>
> > if the past is truely a pure illusion, why didnt the sun set this morning?
>
> Dear Debora,
>
> As the sun sets for you it rises for another.
> In this very moment now it is rising and setting.
>
around the circle
back to the start
Dawn comes,
sun rises by itself,
evening enters,
moon comes out to shine.
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:26:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: Brent Blalock <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
cc: Kundalini - L <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Karma/2 (was: Re: meat&sin&laughter)
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On Fri, 29 May 1998, Brent Blalock wrote:
> >thank you for questioning my beliefs. it helps one learn patience & stuff.
>
>
> Well, I was shooting for the desire to question beliefs and to seek
> knowledge, but patience works about as well. :)
yikes rereading what i wrote sounds rather egotistical ;) but what i meant
was patience to handle someone challenging what i hold to be true based on
confidence thru practise. not patience to put up with others who are
'wrong'. language is a bad way to communicate.
its hard when ur pretty sure ur right to have someone say 'you dont know
what you're talking about!'. old woman rises with "eh sonny? i'll show you
what i know!". So thank you for the oppurtunity to work on this little
problem of mine.
> [[[ Part 1 ]]]
>
> DAO also said:
>
> >btw: its my karma to hate the f-word. is it really of necessary function
> >to use it in this context? certainly other language would be just as
> >skillful and get the point across just as well.
> >
> >i prefer to reserve a good word like f*** for those times when one really
> >needs it. Its too precious to just throw around like that no?
>
> I'm sorry for making you uncomfortable, and I would have *'d out part of the
> word if I had known how you felt.
>
> I don't swear much, either. When I swear in a casual conversation (with no
> strong emotion behind the word), it feels tacky and awkward for me. But
> when I feel some strong emotion, it feels like no other word(s) will do. I
> used the word then because I was kind of annoyed by the behavior of some
> people in the pro-/anti-vegetarianism debate.
watching the watcher create the angry old woman,
i want to stop the process....
but the seeds in alaya grow up so very fast.
help i need a karmic weed eater over here!
--janpa
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:24:47 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: toad-lickin' good?
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Hi,
Some South American toads exude a powerful and deadly poison from their skin
glands. The toxin is used by some Amazon tribes to poison blowgun darts.
Toad exudations are sometimes used as an hallucinogenic---hence the
toad-licking...but as they are quite toxic, perhaps the adrenaline rush or
NDEs contribute to their reputation as a vehicle for enlightenment. :-)
BTW, one species, Bufo marinus, which is found as far north as the southern
U.S. exudes a toxin which is reputedly used for zombification in Haiti...at
least according to the book "The Serpent And the Rainbow."
Sharon
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 07:39:48 -0700
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Carnivores vs herbivores
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K list friends,
There's a lot of us out here who don't care who eats meat or who eats
vegetables. That's not my concern - you may argue all you want pro or con -
quote whomever you like, but the end result is a waste of time. It is up to
the individual to choose their own diet. If you eat strictly vegan, eat
dairy products and veggies, eat meat or if you eat nothing - well... that's
your choice. I can't see anything further can be said about this whole
issue. So lighten up people - it all gets flushed down the toilet anyway.
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:41:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: onarresATnospaminreach.com
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Carnivores vs herbivores
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On Fri, 29 May 1998 onarresATnospaminreach.com wrote:
> K list friends,
>
> There's a lot of us out here who don't care who eats meat or who eats
> vegetables. That's not my concern - you may argue all you want pro or con -
> quote whomever you like, but the end result is a waste of time. It is up to
> the individual to choose their own diet. If you eat strictly vegan, eat
> dairy products and veggies, eat meat or if you eat nothing - well... that's
> your choice. I can't see anything further can be said about this whole
> issue. So lighten up people - it all gets flushed down the toilet anyway.
hehehe, true, so does the walking corpse, too, return to its source and
feed other beings.
--jt
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