1998/05/28 04:48
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #410
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 410
Today's Topics:
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Magne Aga <magneagaATnospammonet.no> ]
unsubscribe [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
RE: Food [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
primates and meat [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: meat&sin&laughter [ "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc ]
Re: meat&sin&laughter [ "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc ]
Re: Re: meat&sin&laughter [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
Re: meat&sin&laughter [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: meat&sin&laughter [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: meat&sin&laughter [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:40:30 -1000 (HST)
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THE DIRECT WAY UPWARDS DURING KRIYA YOGA
Upstreams and downstreams ...
Yang and Yin ...
Ebb and Flow ...
Masculine and Feminine ...
And when the two poles are balanced, another process takes place
The sexual energy (Yang) moves upwards the spine. After having reached the throath, it moves straight forwards to the teeths (where, during nursing, the baby´s drinking of milk is our first positive Yang). Then it moves downwards, in its femine YIN aspect, on the front side of the body to the solar plexus chakra (the region of the baby´s umbilical cord in the womb).
During physical Birth, the Pearl of our uniquness, the pearl of the present incarnation, falls downwards through the Bindu-point at the top of our head. And its entrance into our chakra system is solar plexus. Therefore the sanscrit name Manipura means “THE HOME OF THE JEWEL”. The advaita school, therefore, refer to single incarnations as another PEARL on a thread of pearls (sutratma), each representing qualities gained from incarnations.
>From here, we shoot the Pearl of Compassion direct upwards, to the non-duality point 1 feet above our head. The non-duality point is the THROAT CHAKRA of our light Body.
We shoot the Pearl directly upwards, a “direct way upwards” to the Ultimate Extreme Clear Light, seen after death.
The ultimate, limitless, qualityless, light shines stronger than thousand suns. In these state of non-duality (advaita or Tao) there are EMPTYNESS and the Ultimate Light.
While the Pearl marries with the Crystal Clear Light, Kundalini, in it´s upwards movement reaches the middle of our head, causing a “waterline” straight through the head, a “waterline” unifying the pineal, the pituitary and hypothalamus / medulla oblongata (Sahashrara, Anja, and Soma Chakra), THE THREE IN ONE, mirrored in the “waters” in Blue, Green and Pink colours.
But in order to succeed in these UNITY, our old fragmented ego must die, beeing absorbed by a higher unity. The Choice is given, whether to destroy the Ego, and give up ones Life, extending it to Universal Life, or whether he making protection mechanisms around the Ego and abide therein.
In order to achieve UNITY, in order to CROSS THE ABYSS, one must emancipate from thought by putting each idea against its opposite, and refuse to prefer either. Through Jnana Yoga - the meditation technique called “Antar Mouna” (Inner Silence), we self-destruct our limitations.
We must then decide upon the ciritical adventure, the absolute abandonment of our glory and personal achievements. We cannot remain indefinetly upon the Pillars of Mercy, because these pillars (Ida and Pingala) have become unstable, imbalanced. We are beeing pushed onwards by the irresistable momentum that have been generated. The old Ego cannot guide us, it is beeing DIVIDED INTO THREE PERSONALITIES, and we must choose between the TRINITY of the White way, or a split personality case as seen in the “three faces of Eve”.
If we should fail to make this self-annihilation absolute, a disaster occurs. We are nevertheless pushed forwards over the Abyss, the waterline, but instead of beeing reborn on the other Side, as a babe in the Womb, to be One Self wholly (holy) and truly as never before, the person involved becomes “dead-born”, remains in the Abyss, gradually SINKING, secreting his elements round his Ego as if isolated from the Universe, and becomes a “Black Brother”. Such a being is gradually disintegrated from lack of nourishment and the slow but certain action of the attraction of the rest of the Universe, despite his now desperate efforts to insulate and protect himself, and to aggrandize himself by predatory practices.
While we make our journy ACROSS the waters, our Holy Guardian Angel, our cosmic mirror game centered in the 3rd eye, makes a movement in the opposite direction. Our lower ego moves towards UNITY, the three in one (Thougth, Emotion, Will), while the Pearl of Compassion spinters downwards through DIVERSITY.
The blending of “the two of us” (the one and the many), is the crucifiction-ressurrection initiation. Golgata means “the place of the sculls”, and it´s located beneath our cerebrum. It enhances the spiritual evolution more radically than any process hitherto known.
And through the DIVING into the Tomb, the wandering through the dark caves
in quest of the Pearl of Compassion, we trespass the shells of our former identities. These former entities, these empty shells, forms a beeing, refered to in every occult and esoteric traditions as The Guardian of the Threshold. The Guardian, these demonic entity, is not the mythical devil. It is composed of our karma, our obligations to our Fellow beeings not initiated. It is the Karma which have to be overcomed before marrying the Ultimate Ligth. He is the last obstacle for ascension. He is the obstacle which Goethe refered to in Faust.
The diving downwards is a grounding process. The Pearl reaches Mother Earth, the babe sleeps in the Womb. The Tomb is the Womb.
The pearl returns to the sexual chakra, from where its upwards movement began. It reaches the sexual chakra, the menstruation chakra, the HOLY GRAIL Chakra. And the rubin red colour of the light body, entering these Chakra, and its Yin/Yang blending with the Violet Flame of crossing out (burning) karma, have been refered to as the “marriage between the Rose and the Cross”.
The Holy Grail begets ressurection. Instead of using the sexual Chakra to regenerate the physical form, instead of DRINKING from these Cup of regeneration, we reverse sexuality to regenerate the light body, the immortality body, the electrical, ressurected Christ body. We GIVE our blood to the Grail in reverse order. This is the Renunciation. This is the renunciation of physichal mortality in order to regenerate immortality. The old Tau-symbol (T) have been transformed to the Tau-symbol with the circle above, the tomb (of the old) and the womb (of our light body).
In the black magic, “left-hand” rituals of Tantra, on the other hand, they renounce every tabus, breaks every laws of compulsion. They DRINK from the Grail. They are no more total givers of themselves, but mean hucksters. They exchange gold for dross. They sell their higher powers for gross and temporary benefit. Through the conscious practice of breaking every tabu, through BLASPHEMY, they seek Gnosis or Liberation.
The black magic Tantric Cults of the Vama Marg used the pig as a blasphemic symbol because it eats human excrements. It explains why the tantric Pra-Yoga left-hand magicians tried to prevent Buddha´s awakening through magic power, by ridiculing his Divinity through pig-meat. There lies a deep, deep mystery hidden in these symbolism, which not even Blavatsky dared to reveal.
A VISION DURING THETA
On November 29th 1995, I had a vision during Theta (the continuum of consciousness during sleep) about an interplanetary, interdimensional etherc network:
A chain went straight forwards from the middle of my head, about one feet out through the room. At it´s end, it was connected to two other chains in an Y-shape.
Both of the chains was connected to a bird, both of the same colour: A mixture of black and golden orange. Beneath the birds, I saw another shape: Two Y´s connected in such a way that they went in opposite directions.
And I received the following channeling: “The Diamond [ Figure ] is called INTERSAMST, and through it You are connected to each and every I AM world-wide”. Then I saw the 3rd eye of Nada-Yolanda as the center where thousands of light workers world wide was “chained together” in a common cause as the beams from the Sun. The Energies in my own 3rd eye became so influenced, that it was difficult to distinguish from my own thoughts and the energies from the centre. My thoughts was no longer separated, but COORDINATED parts of a greater thougth form.
In an out-of-body experience, I entered a Pyramid of pure Diamond. And received the channeled message: “With these vehicle, You can travel in your light body to other places”. And I traveled to a woman, which the Voice claimed to be my “Mother”. Arguing that these was certainly not my biological mother, a bisarr message was whispered, in an echo, 3 times: “YOU ARE BORN BY A PROSTITUE”
+ + +
Speculations began about the last sentence. In fact, at that point I thought that I, somehow, somewhere, was going to MEET these woman as a real physical beeing. Was it a mother from a previous lifetime ? A twin-soul ? Although the latter was the truth - I was born by my twin soul in France at the beginning of our Century, at a time when She was a prostitute - I related it to a written passage:
"And there came one of the seven angels
which had the seven vials,
and talked with me,
saying unto me, Come hither;
I will shew unto thee the judgement
of the great whore
that SITTETH UPON MANY WATERS.
2 With whom the kings of earth
have committed fornication,
and the inhabitants of the earth
have been MADE DRUNK
with the wine of her fornication.
3 So he carried me away in the spirit
into the wilderness:
and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet colored beast,
full of the names of BLASPHEMY,
having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour,
and decked with gold and PRECIOUS STONES and PEARLS,
having a GOLDEN CUP in her hand
full of abominations
and filthiness of her abominations.
5 And upon her forehead was a name written,
MYSTERY,
BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS
AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
6 And I saw the woman drunken
with the blood of the saints,
and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus:
and when I saw her,
I wondered with great admiration."
“Revelation”, Chapter 17
This was the start of my 6. phase of Baptism, since each major Initiation has seven phases or minor initiations echoing the 7 major initiations.
And the reaction from my sosial environment ? Exactly ! Antagonism from those in my circle of aquaintance from whom I least expected it. Then Envy, hatred, mockery from occult circles, even unconstitutional injustice.
It was the test of giving Love, without beeing loved myself, as one of the “saints” in These Great Illusion of limitations. In many cases, Beauty is the result of a pain or disease, like the Pearl of the Mussel, or the mole on the cheek of a woman.
So, I became a peculiar combination of Her Variety. A growing mole on the cheek of the Woman which is the Great Illusion. A mole among those who resist Change, rejects and restricts Love, and Fears Death.
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 18:57:26 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: kundalini-l-d-requestATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Sorry about the length of this message.
As many of you have followed, for some time we have been debating the
future of kundalini-l. I guess I had my own expectations about what this
list would evolve into. Over the last week I did a short retreat with
one of my kundalini teachers who was visiting the area. There were just
a few of us alone in the Santa Cruz mountains. It was really wonderful
to spend much time in meditation followed by informal sessions in which
we could freely ask a learned swami questions on a variety of subjects
in the practice of kundalini mahayoga. I felt really fortunate. Then I
returned to study privately with a Tibetan lama in the area and compare
their viewpoint on the same issues and again reflected on how lucky I am
to have that opportunity.
Somehow, when I caught up on a week's worth of email on kundalini-l it
finally dawned on me. It's not that everyone posting to kundalini-l
really wishes they were in the mountains discussing kundalini (chocked
full of technical Sanskrit terms :-)) with a learned swami or studying
some obscure Tibetan text on tummo with a lama. People discuss exactly
what they want here and if I don't find interest in the discussion I'm
the one out of place - not the posters in this group. In that context,
an ongoing effort to redirect the discussion to my own interests is a
silly waste of time. So with that observation I've decided to
unsubscribe. Kundalini-l has a lot of traffic and I've found you really
have focus on it and get into it - or ignore it completely. It's hard to
just sample it.
I do have SUCH a warm spot in my heart for the folks at kundalini-l
here. I've learned a great deal from so many of you but I'd like to
refocus more of my efforts on exploring the ``classical'' traditions of
kundalini.This is a natural process of pruning back my interests. I'm
sure they will blossom out again in time. Please feel free to keep in
touch and if any one of you ever feels that I can be of assistance -
please don't be afraid to ask.
Kind Regards,
Kurt
PS This is the official unsubscribe email - so if you'd ever like to
chat just send me email directly.
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 04:10:38 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: "Mystress Angelique Serpent" <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Food
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> At 09:16 PM 27/05/98 +0100, jb wrote:
> >There is a good reason for the practice of ahimsa. As Life is
> one, killing
> >is a partial suicide. It will leave impressions in the subconscious mind.
> >These will add up and when raising K. or meditating, these
> impressions are
> >met as blocks or hindrances.
> Are we talking about the same subconscious?
No, I mean the area where fear comes from.
>[]
> Human.are very similar, as they belong to one
> >species. Their digestive tracts vary very slightly and only in
> capacity, not
> >in function.
> Goddess is limitless manifestation, and humans can differ quite a bit in
> their dietary needs. The simplest example of this is lactose intolerance.
> Asians often cannot tolerate milk products, whereas light skinned northern
> races learned to use lactose as vitamin D. during the sunless months, and
> adapted their digestion to tolerate it.
Lactose intolerance for grown-ups is normal. As milk is food for babies,
grown-ups have no need for it. Asian and African babies drink milk, isnt it?
The white northerly races are the exception. Vitamin D is produced through
UV radiation on unsaturated alcohols like cholesterol. Milk doesn't have
anything to do with it. And ALL races posssess this capability - blacks only
need more sunlight than whites.
> I do see this attitude of "Vegan is holier than thou" as a form of
> spiritual racism tho.
The attitude of trying to escape from the consequence of belonging to a
family of primates that predominantly feeds on fruits/raw food is the main
cause for allergies. There is a lot of (circumstantial) evidence for this,
as in NH or equivalent clinics many are cured from allergies. As I was cured
from an allergy long ago I know very well what the reason is. Just compare
the number of allergies between whites (in Europe or the US) and Asians
living in Asia (when Asians adapt to Western feeding habits they develop the
same allergies/illnesses).
> If the Tibetans got overrun by China coz they were so evolved, then what
> about the native Americans??
Evolved doesn't seem to be a criterion. The evolved Roman empire was
finished of by what the Romans called "horde of barbarians", the Huns. Yet,
the average Roman slave had a better life than the average European or US
labourer - less working hours, free entertainment etc.
>
> > Primates don't have this enzyme, so they are neither
> >carnivores nor omnivores. Our closest relatives in the primate
> world are the
> >bonobos: they prefer to feed on fruits and so should we.
> Dunno about the enzyme.. but I do know a study was done on rain forest
> primates, to know more of their eating habits.. it was thought that such
> primates are picky eaters of fruits, because so much of what they eat is
> tossed away after one bite.
Gorillas eat leaves and chimpansees, apart from fruits, eat insects. Bonobos
prefer fruits.
> Turns out that they were not after the perfect fruit, they were finding
> the fruit with bugs in it, biting out and eating the part with the bug and
> tossing the rest. Picky eaters of insects and grubs. Life eats life. They
> help the trees by eating the bugs.
> Smart monkey uses a stick to eat the termites.. just like us..
>
> > During
> >one's practice of meditation there will (hopefully) come a phase
> where the
> >tendencies start to die out. This goes according to the rule: What came
> >first, will go last. It means, that the tendency "moderation of
> diet" will
> >die out long before "like for food" dies out; this explains the
> fat Buddhas
> >and yogis.
> Mmmmm.. it also explains the stories of yogis who become incapable of
> feeding themselves, and must be fed by their disciples or they
> will die.
This would mean the disciples will have to assist defacating also... without
the condition of indigestion this doesn't happen spontaneously. It sounds
more like the yogis are paralysed.
> My
> body does not prompt me to eat very often as it is.. but I am glad it does
> sometimes, and gives me cravings for exactly what it needs. Or I'd forget
> to eat and become reaaaly skinny..
How can you be sure about that. A dog prefers cheese instead of meat and
cats prefer modern soft cat-food instead of fresh meat. On a balanced
vegetarian diet, dogs are in a better condition than when fed on meat. If
this goes for a predator, it certainly goes for a human, who isn't.
>
> >--- A space vessel <...> The mother answers: The
> >inhabitants still are barbarians. They would eat us because we look like
> >their pigs" ---
> Wasn't this a Muppets episode? "Pigs in space"..
> There is also the one about the robot aliens who disdained us coz we are
> made of meat.. and I remember a science fiction story about aliens decided
> to wipe us out so they would not catch a deadly disease.. Chess.
I remember a story where carnivorous aliens landed on this planet and binged
on humans, because the aliens considered themselves "superior".
> Is is really all about fear of rejection?? Weaning off the breast? That
> is non Vegan too, I guess.
> Cannibals call humans "long pig".. Christians eat the body of Christ,
> Kali chews on Buddha guts.
> So it goes.. Blessings, Mystress.
Wild animals have specific foods. Despite the likeness between bonobos and
humans, the humans require completely different food, based on "individual
differences"? Can anyone give solid, biological evidence for this? If
chimpansees are fed the "human" way, they develop all "human" ilnesses and
allergies. But I haven't seen studies yet on how this will affect future
generations of chimps, fed on "human" food. My guess is that the animals
will develop the same as humans do, with ever increasing numbers of
allergies and illnesses turning into chronic illnessess. BTW, the animals
really have an avid like for "human" food, so they don't suffer at all from
the experiments. The great taste is all they care for. How human they are
:-))
Jan
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 21:11:16 PDT
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: primates and meat
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I wish I could remember the name of the documentary I saw where
chimpanzees hunt for meat and sometimes the large adult males eat the
babies. Caused quite a scandal when it was discovered I think.
There are quite a bit of physiological differences between humans on a
microscopic or cellular scale...divinity in diversity.
Just because it works for some people doesnt mean it works for others.
Why do people have such a hard time believing that? Why do they question
and believe somewhere or somehow you are not just doing it right because
if I did it 'correctly' I would have the same results as they do or if
you or I am not following their dietary standards we are assumed to be
weak willed or psychologically imbalanced or morally impaired? That is
quite the advertisement for the 'benefits' of being vegetarian.
Kinda like calling someone an inferior human because their body grows
brown hair or they lack a specific enzyme, dontcha think?
Love,
Susan
(who looks like a lioness but tastes like a peach.... ;-^ )
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 01:57:49 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Magne Aga wrote:
> In order to achieve UNITY, in order to CROSS THE ABYSS, one must emancipate from thought by putting each idea against its opposite, and refuse to prefer either.
I'll add that by bringing opposite desires together there is destruction of thatblock so that there is no need to "refuse to prefer either." Nothing is left to refuse.
PEACE
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 01:45:29 -0500
From: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
To: "Mystress Angelique Serpent" <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Cc: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: meat&sin&laughter
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> I heard of some Seekers who had a practice of licking toads to see God. I
>dunno how the toads felt about it.. I'd rather lick ice cream and feel
bliss.
Methinks that people who think that licking ice cream is on the same plane
as licking toads have never licked toads.
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 02:19:55 -0500
From: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
To: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: meat&sin&laughter
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Here's some quotes from this and other threads:
>or another way of putting is: your intention is what matters more. One can
>be a rather arrogant vegetarian "I dont eat meat, i'm better than YOU" and
>create dualism and all sorts of nasty karma.
> I agree with that. The intent is what creates karma. The motivation behind
> the act.
>Making meat-eating or the morality of killing an issue in the first
>place is the only thing that makes karma.
I have a response for the people participating in the thread in general.
What the fuck do any of you know about karma? I'm willing to bet that you
don't have any special senses that let you know when you're accumulating
karma. I'm also willing to bet that your knowledge is all second-hand, and
that you all don't really believe in it deep down. I'm certain that every
person has been totally full of it at some point in their lives, myself
included, so I'm not saying that you're all abnormally misinformed or
anything. But I think you people need to do a little reality check.
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 06:00:31 +0100
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
Subject: Re: Re: meat&sin&laughter
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>In a message dated 27/5/98 8:38:23 pm, you wrote:
>
><<I remember seeing a Holy woman who had a practice of 'licking lepers' in
>
>order to 'heal' them.>>
>
>Was that by any chance Ammachi (Mata Amritanandamayi)? She is known to have
>sucked the pus from leprous sores in order to heal them.
>
>And she's a vegetarian too........................;-)
>
>God bless,
>Alan
Hi Alan,
Mother Amma.
That's right it was. A wonderful lady surrounded by idiots (like most
Gurus). People think by attaching themselves to anothers virtue they will
make progress. When they find they must make efforts they usually go and
find something easier to do. Go and find some worthless teacher who says
something they want to hear . . . (not need to hear mind you)
"'K' comes to mind - hey guys look at me I'm flying - shaktiput don't ya
know."
"Excuse me Sir, you have no wisdom, nothing of value for others . . ."
"Yes - but the ecstasy of it . . . "
"Good luck to you - Sir!"
Be Well Dear Friends
God Blessed
Lobster
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:16:04 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: meat&sin&laughter
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Babaji, Sai Baba, Mahaprabhuji, Madhavananda, Maheswarananda, Lahiri Mahasaya,
Sri Yuktesvar, Yogananda... They also wouldn't have used the words you had
used to explain something.
Love,
Anurag
> Fuck both then.
> Those words are not meant to be applied in a manner you apply them. Babaji,
> Sai Baba, Mahaprabhuji, Madhavananda, Maheswarananda, Lahiri Mahasaya, Sri
> Yuktesvar, Yogananda... They were all vegetarians, and STRONGLY advocated
> vegetarian diet. STRONGLY. If some person here thinks his/her new
fuckin'
> age opinion is more valid, and will have more weight, well I don't think
> so! , the second I fuck in the arrogant ass with a pile
> driver.
>
> -----
> E-mail : sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr
> Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
>
>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:04:35 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: meat&sin&laughter
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Just looking for a explanattion.
The plutonium miner himself went to the mine or he was made to work
forcefully in that mine.Why don't the plutonium miners refrain from
working in mines.
Anurag
> I'm becoming more aware recently of how "sin" is a good thing. It keeps us
> humble. If you have to rely on animal bodies to keep your own healthy, all
> you can do is be grateful for their assistance. If you have electricity in
> your house, every time you flip the light switch you are complicit in the
> death of a plutonium miner. Can you ever recycle every scrap of packaging
> that comes into your home? No. What can you do? Walk around feeling the
> most useless emotion in the world -- guilt? Or can you accept these
> weaknesses in yourself so that in turn you can accept the weaknesses of
> others?
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 06:47:33 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: meat&sin&laughter
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>Babaji, Sai Baba, Mahaprabhuji, Madhavananda, Maheswarananda, Lahiri Mahasaya,
>Sri Yuktesvar, Yogananda... They also wouldn't have used the words you had
>used to explain something.
>
>Love,
>Anurag
Anurag!! It's not nice to take out part of a person's words so as to
distort his meaning - and then criticize the result! In fact, it's
underhanded and sneaky! Would Babaji, Sai Baba, Mahaprabhuji,
Madhavananda, Maheswarananda, Lahiri Mahasaya, Sri Yuktesvar, and Yogananda
have done that?
Below is the original quote so everyone can see what was really said.
Love,
Ann
>>Antoine:
>>"Detached service, when there is a detachment in relation to the fruit of
>>our action, it helps us to free us of from the illusion that we are beings
>>acting as separated from the Divine".
>>Govindan, Babaji and 18 siddha kriya yoga tradition
>
>Danijel:
>Are you serious with this? I have another one, if you sin without
>attachment you go to hell without it, too. The law of karma applies to you
>too, you know? You can allow yourself to commit any crime against anyone if
>you use your logic - nonduality, detachment. Great. Fuck both then.
>Those words are not meant to be applied in a manner you apply them. Babaji,
>Sai Baba, Mahaprabhuji, Madhavananda, Maheswarananda, Lahiri Mahasaya, Sri
>Yuktesvar, Yogananda... They were all vegetarians, and STRONGLY advocated
>vegetarian diet. STRONGLY. If some person here thinks his/her new fuckin'
>age opinion is more valid, and will have more weight, well I don't think
>so! Not in my book. It seems to me that you are all advocating "do whatever
>pleases you" attitude. Well, it's OK, if it means love & no harm. But it
>seems to include other things too, of which I disapprove.
>It is one thing to say "eating meat is not a good thing, but I have to do
>it because my body will die/not function properly without it, so I have no
>choice but to accept it with gratitude and devotion", and "eating meat is
>good because I'm on the top of the food chain" is completely another. The
>first I accept with love, the second I fuck in the arrogant ass with a pile
>driver.
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