1998/05/26 19:07
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #406
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 406
Today's Topics:
RE: 24 hr absence [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
Re: The benefits of onions and garli [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
RE: 24 hr absence [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
RE: The benefits of onions and garli [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
RE: The Force of Self-Realization [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
meat [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
Re: The benefits of onions and garli [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: onions. [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Killing and reason [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: Killing and reason [ freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com> ]
Re: meat [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: REMOVE BODY HAIR PERMANENTLY!! [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: Killing and reason [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: REMOVE BODY HAIR PERMANENTLY!! [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Killing and reason [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:39:21 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: 24 hr absence
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As even with server-crash evidence confronted, the ISP took an oath that he
wasn't to blame, I changed ISP.
Jan
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 12:56:27 PDT
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: dorf01ATnospammail.win.org, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: The benefits of onions and garlic for Shakti Yogis
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>From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
>
>In a message dated 5/26/1998, 12:42:49 PM, dorf01ATnospammail.win.org writes:
><<what exactly is going on with onions & garlic? i know these are on
the
>list of 'foods that goof up kundalini' along with meat & such other
>things, but my Q is, how does this process work?
>>>
>
>Harsha: I love onions (particularly vidala onions because they are
sweet) and
>garlic. Love them raw. Indian chutneys (at least the way my father
always
>makes them) have huge quantities of raw onions and garlic among other
things.
>The scriptures say that the practice of Yoga makes the Yogi very
beautiful and
>also makes him smell like perfume. Well garlic and onions are the best
way to
>counter that effect. Otherwise these women just don't leave you alone!
>
>
Harsha..this won't work with women who also love onions and
garlic....... :):):)
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 21:00:00 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: 24 hr absence
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Thinking about the effects on non-technical users with a small business, I
left an unforgettable impression and got what I wanted after all: a
confession (but no apology because I can't use unvalidated addresses
anymore). Here it is:
En efecto se produjo un fallo del servidor de autentificacion
de usuarios la noche del domingo, hasta las 9:00 del lunes.
Ha sido un fallo temporal y está resuelto ya.
un saludo
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 21:13:18 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: The benefits of onions and garlic for Shakti Yogis
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Gloria Lee asked:
> >list of 'foods that goof up kundalini' along with meat & such other
> >things, but my Q is, how does this process work?
> >
> >
There is a relation between body-condition and K. Among others, it can be
experienced when one is ill. Food that puts a severe strain on the digestive
system will also increase the awareness of K. It is to be compared with
rowing a boat upstream. If the current is slow, it's hardly noticed but when
it is strong it can become a nuisance. I suggest bingeing on protein rich
food for an unforgettable test.
Jan
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 21:14:53 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: "Afperry" <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: The Force of Self-Realization
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>> Jan
> >In theory, nirvikalpa samadhi is possible without K.
>
Alan:
> Is it? I wonder. Do you mean this literally or do you actually
> mean without
> the individual becoming aware of K activity? This latter I would
> agree with as
> there are many yogis who will testify to that, but the former,
> hmmm....................not so sure; don't see how it can happen
> as I believe
> K to be the efficient cause of samadhi.
>
> I would be interested to hear your view on this.
Very good question. When one starts spiritual life with meditation, much
emphasis has to be laid on moral and ethics. This means practices like
ahimsa and brahmacarya. They are the very foundation. What follows then,
will depend on the preference and maturity of the practitioner. In classical
yoga attention is paid to postures, breath and mind, whereas in any practice
of advaita, attention is focused on Self. Ahimsa and brahmacarya by
themselves will surely activate* K., but because the focus isn't on K. and
the mind is freed from junk (by the practice of meditation), one doesn't
notice it. Instead, one will interpret it as progress in meditation. At a
certain moment, one will become aware of K., but because of the pure mind
only fundamental transitions (like piercing knots) will be observed. As with
meditation the focus is on Self (realization), some "minor" phenomena could
be noticed, but as one soon develops intuition, one knows what is
fundamental (denoting an important transition that produces the same
phenomenon for all) and what is not. So it will come as no surprise that
Buddha only mentioned the K. phenomena for two events: entering nirvana with
the substratum remaining and the same phenomena, occurring when nirvana
without substratum is entered. If after nirvana with substratum one rejoices
one's feelings, they remain but if one doesn't rejoice, they will be burnt.
The phase between these two events is where even great yogis can go astray
(according to their own rules), so moral and ethics really are the
foundation. Purity of mind means, no obstacles for K. and no blocks or other
hindrances. So K. can without effort ascend to sahasrara and this means
nirvikalpa samadhi, even before one is conscious of K. What one can't
influence, is the strength of the life-force - one is born with it. If it is
weak, one still can experience nirvikalpa samadhi, without ever becoming
conscious of K. If it is strong, one can't escape being conscious of K.,
simply because the transitions are points of no return. So the difference
between the two is only a difference in degree, not in essence. Without K.,
nothing goes.
Jan
*awakening K. is the wrong description: K. is ever awake. What is awakened
is being conscious of K. This explains "spontaneous" awakening much better,
as the result of enhanced sensivity, introspection etc.
activation means it is stimulated to ascend.
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:40:13 PDT
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: meat
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:42:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>To:
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what exactly is going on with onions & garlic? i know these areon the
list of 'foods that goof up kundalini' along with meat & suchother
things, but my Q is, how does this process work?
And why doesnt it seem to affect everyone who is K-active? iknow
the List Mystress is not a vegetarian. *shrug* just curious.--janpa
Hi!
I am a hard core carnivore. I just dont 'feel' right if I dont eat meat.
It may be because my ancestors are northren european rather than from
India or other Asian countries.
If i eat vegan I get extremely cold in body. If I eat lactovo(?)
vegetarian I just dont 'feel' strong and am always hungry.
If i eat a diet high in grains and starchy veggies...I have all types of
stomach upsets, mood swings, wild energy vacillations, and problems with
low blood sugar.
My k is pretty strong, and often has a potent effect on others.
My diet is primarily hunter gatherer in type...green veggies, meat
(including red meat), and occasional whole fruit. I try not to drink
just juice...I get high, unbalanced and jittery when i do.
This is not to say I dont have my strawberry ice cream when I want but i
pretty much try to avoid bread type products and just have them as an
occasional treat.
And I love fresh onions and garlic!
I find I cant concentrate and work with K if I follow a high carbo, be
nice to animals, ascetic type diet.
Just what works for me.
Love,
Susan
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 02:22:08 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
cc: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: The benefits of onions and garlic for Shakti Yogis
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Janpa is it due to K
I can't tolerate red chillis
What I think is that K-active persons can out do the affects of food u r
mentioning. According to me this kind of food will retard their spiritual
growth. Well mistress can better tell through her experiences.
Love,
anurag
>
> (onions just make my tummy ill mostly...) :)
>
> -j
>
>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:43:59 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: onions.
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At 11:42 AM 26/05/98 -0500, Debora A. Orf wrote:
>
>what exactly is going on with onions & garlic? i know these are on the
>list of 'foods that goof up kundalini' along with meat & such other
>things, but my Q is, how does this process work?
Well, K. is cleansing, onions and garlic are cleansing.. both together
really cleans yer clocks.. get the cleansing moving too fast, you send the
food straight thru without stopping to digest it... and the other yucky
side effects of toxic feelings.
>
>And why doesnt it seem to affect everyone who is K-active? i know
>the List Mystress is not a vegetarian.
>
>*shrug* just curious.
>
>--janpa
Nope, not vegetarian, also eater of potato chips and ice cream and smoker
of herbal medications.
But I don't eat beans or wheat flour or rice.. and I think my allergy to
those foods was a reaction to recurrent overgrowth of Candida yeast. With
the demerra sugar I put in my tea, instead, it is absorbed and utilized in
the stomach, so it doesn't end up being digested lower in the gut by
yeastie beasties. Crunchy corn chips and granola bars get their starches
digested by saliva in chewing more than a sandwich. Ice cream is eaten
slowly..
Smoking doesn't hurt me.. any possible harm is swept away by the abundant K.
A very smoky room will still drive me out with a coughing fit.. it is
more than my body can process.. mildew is similar. I am still vulnerable to
fungus.. But bacteria.. viruses and colds seldom affect me.
My perspective: in the beginning, the K-fire is a narrow intermittent
effect. Sometimes on, sometimes off, and the process of cleansing needs
much support from the physical.. diet, exercise, meditation, prayer.. a
limited concept of a body is adapting itself to hold more of the unlimited
energy that is K.
Later, the identification of "self" has shifted to the unlimited constant
river of K. flowing thru, rather than to the limited body.. and since many
of the rules for diet are also limits, they don't apply anymore..
One aspect of moving thru this change is mindfulness about food.
Every religion suggests the wisdom of offering love and gratitude before
eating food. I have discovered, this makes a big difference in how the food
is digested, and the volume of food that is needed.
So monks live healthy on tea and one tiny bowl of rice a day, eaten with
mindfulness.
A story:
Last week I did a session with a fella drawn to me.. three hour intensive
K. crash course.. he was an excellent student. I used the BDSM ritual to
get him in an altered state of deep submission and pulled the serpents up
to the penthouse.. when he began to sway where he stood getting dizzy from
the energy I let him down from the rack to sit on the floor and began to
teach him of what he was feeling.
Energy work is thirsty business.. later I fetched us each a pint of
filtered water, and made him hold his glass in his hands and imagine the
energy flowing thru his hands making the water glow like a light bulb,
while thanking Goddess for water, and for thirst which makes water
blissful. Then taste it..
Guess what? He found the glowing water tasted delicious.
I laughed because I had drunk from my own glass absentmindedly without
"charging" it, preoccupied with teaching him how to do it.. and now the
uncharged water I'd drunk was UUrping back on me unpleasantly. My body
trying to reject it as not of Itself. Lower vibration energy.
I let him taste my uncharged water for comparison, while I put my hand on
my stomach and charged the water already inside me to stop the urrping.
Unblessed water did not taste as good, he noticed, handing it back and
returning to his own glass.. then I surrendered to Goddess Bliss in my own
being, and transferred that bliss to my glass of water.. and handed it to
him. He saw that the water I had charged seemed to be not just glowing, but
fluorescing and sparkling white popping prana-lights like flashbulbs going
off.. Wheee!
He tasted it and discovered it tasted even better than the water he had
charged, and when I saw the thirst it had woken in him I told him to go
ahead and finish it.. I could easily manifest more. He did. I could see the
energy of the water spreading inside him to tend to thirsts long un-noticed
before.
If blessings can make that much difference in plain water, imagine what
it does to food.
Life eats life: that is nature.. even plants are competitive to the point
of killing each other to live.. and anybody who doesn't think so is invited
to weed my lawn and find out differently.
Some folks need to eat more "live" food: fruit, seeds and yogurt
bacteria.. because the flow of energy is not able to handle heavier "dead"
foods, on an energy level. The body is busy transforming it''s own self,
and transforming heavy food, too, is more work.
When I take a big juicy barbecued steak and give love to it, and thru it,
to the cow and the farmer and the grass and the butcher and the fire that
cooks, and Goddess before I eat it.. that dead meat now has more life
energy in it than it did when it was part of a live cow. And it is of my
vibration.. part of me already.
So it is, that the Buddha commanded his disciples to go into houses and
offer blessings, and eat whatever is put in front of them with gratitude.
And so it is, because he had created a limit on his disciples, by making
a rule, so he himself was killed by his own rule of accepting hospitality.
(shrug) I don;t need much food, but I am a picky eater.
Yesterday I killed a cute fuzzy guinea pig so that my snake could eat..
she is getting older and has a bump of scar tissue on her nose that
interferes with her binocular vision.. she kills clumsier than I, where
once she was swift and sure... but she must eat furry things to live.
That is nature.. so I explained to the guinea pig while giving it love
and thanking it for the gift of it's body before quickly ending it's life
with a mallet thump on it's little head.
My snake struck at the meal instinctively before swallowing it, with a
clumsy strike on an unmoving object that landed on the shoulder instead of
smothering the face. I believe somewhere, the spirit of a guinea pig whose
fate it was to be eaten by a boa constrictor, is grateful not to feel sharp
teeth and tightening coils.. as it went the way of all things.
It's fate was decided when it happened to be the largest pig in the
nearest pet store, which had run out of rats.. they knew why I was buying
it.. folks like to buy baby animals as pets.. furry animals that grow up to
adulthood in a pet store without being chosen as pets, or used as breeders
are bought by snake owners as food. That is the fate of unclaimed guinea
pigs, and the economics of pet stores.
The fate of guinea pigs who do become pets is more varied.. my aunt came
home one day to find all her guinea pigs had been shredded by her spaniel.
To kill and eat meat in this manner, with grace and gratitude, in the way
of most of the non Vegans indigenous peoples.. and it seems an odd
spiritual racism to suggest that a Eskimo, a Haida or an Australian Abu
cannot attain spiritual growth because they live in a climate that is not
conducive to scorning the nutrition of meat.
Joke: What is the Indian term for a vegetarian? A bad hunter.
Under the surface of the joke is the truth that for the Aboriginal, being
a good hunter is not dependent on skill, but on having the favor of the
animal spirits enough that they are willing to show up to be killed, so the
hunter may provide food for his people. Maintaining this favor is dependent
on treating the meat with gratitude and respect for the animal's sacrifice.
Animals are psychic: it is this sense of unity that makes the hunter
invisible to it's prey.
Quite a different attitude than a Vegans scorning a hot dog.. no kidding
the Vegans will find the hot dog indigestible.
Well, there's food for the curious.. :)
Blessings, Mystress.
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
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than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
-- Harry Emerson Fosdick
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:45:25 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Killing and reason
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At 14:43 1998.05.26 -0700, Angelique wrote:
> Yesterday I killed a cute fuzzy guinea pig so that my snake could eat..
>she is getting older and has a bump of scar tissue on her nose that
>interferes with her binocular vision.. she kills clumsier than I, where
>once she was swift and sure... but she must eat furry things to live.
> That is nature.. so I explained to the guinea pig while giving it love
>and thanking it for the gift of it's body before quickly ending it's life
>with a mallet thump on it's little head.
I would think thumping the snake on the head and keeping the guinea pig as
a pet to be a more human thing to do. You always have a choice. To keep
killing harmless fury things and justify that with "killing is a part of
the nature" or to just start buying carrots and salad for the rodent. ;)
Rats and gunea pigs are infinitely more sensitive and intelligent creatures
than any snake. Millions of years of evolution ahead. Much closer to people.
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:37:13 -0700
From: freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com>
To: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Killing and reason
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the human thing to do?
'me thinks somebody needs to take BIology 101....and pay attention...the
human thing to do...
cracks me up.... : )
thanks, I needed the laugh,,,,even if you are serious :(
freda
> I would think thumping the snake on the head and keeping the guinea pig as
> a pet to be a more human thing to do. You always have a choice. To keep
> killing harmless fury things and justify that with "killing is a part of
> the nature" or to just start buying carrots and salad for the rodent. ;)
>
> Rats and gunea pigs are infinitely more sensitive and intelligent creatures
> than any snake. Millions of years of evolution ahead. Much closer to people.
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:08:06 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: meat
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Hi Susan!
Vegetarians do have to learn to cook right and combine the right things.
Most vegetables provide only partial protein, but by combining the right
vegetables, you get complete protein. Beans and rice, for instance,
provides complete protein, all amino acids. The soy bean is the rare
vegetable that does have complete protein.
>I am a hard core carnivore. I just dont 'feel' right if I dont eat meat.
>It may be because my ancestors are northren european rather than from
>India or other Asian countries.
>
>If i eat a diet high in grains and starchy veggies...I have all types of
>stomach upsets, mood swings, wild energy vacillations, ...
>
>...I try not to drink
>just juice...I get high, unbalanced and jittery when i do.
These symptoms can come from new energy that you're just not accustomed to
yet. Up-stream kriya can release and balance energy. But if you can get
used to the new energy, then you've got more permanently.
Love,
Ann
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:59:24 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
cc: MariAna Mikula <romeATnospamiwaynet.net>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: REMOVE BODY HAIR PERMANENTLY!!
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mistress u can find a mantra to get rid of the unwanted hairs and even use
kundalini.
Love,
anurag
On Mon, 25 May 1998, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
> the Synchronicity is, this slipped by whilst I was busy depilating the
> lower half of my driud last night... LOL! Waxing the "hairy barbarian".
> Hey, mebbie I oughta look into this stuff..
>
> At 11:13 AM 25/05/98 -0400, MariAna Mikula wrote:
> >GO AWAY - you spammer -GO WAY
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 02:11:42 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Killing and reason
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At 16:37 1998.05.26 -0700, you wrote:
>the human thing to do?
>'me thinks somebody needs to take BIology 101....and pay attention...the
>human thing to do...
>cracks me up.... : )
>thanks, I needed the laugh,,,,even if you are serious :(
>freda
Everything could be explained as good, if you do it, and want to feel good
about yourself. Even killing, or actually anything I could think of, just
make a phillosophy out of it. But I have an idea that says we are here not
to increase the suffering of other beings, but to ease it. Killing animals
on a daily basis doesn't fit that picture well for me. I don't want to go
into a flame war with the carnivores, not interested, just stating my view.
Laugh if you like.
>> I would think thumping the snake on the head and keeping the guinea pig as
>> a pet to be a more human thing to do. You always have a choice. To keep
>> killing harmless fury things and justify that with "killing is a part of
>> the nature" or to just start buying carrots and salad for the rodent. ;)
>>
>> Rats and gunea pigs are infinitely more sensitive and intelligent creatures
>> than any snake. Millions of years of evolution ahead. Much closer to
people.
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 21:18:50 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in, serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com
Cc: romeATnospamiwaynet.net, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: REMOVE BODY HAIR PERMANENTLY!!
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In a message dated 5/26/1998 5:13:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in writes:
<< mistress u can find a mantra to get rid of the unwanted hairs and even use
kundalini.
Love,
anurag >>
Harsha: Oh yes! The famous but exceedingly secret hair removing mantra. Many
women have used it to get rid of their mustaches. Men use it to control nose
hair. Works much better than electrolysis. Money back guaranteed (if the
mustache grows back).......:--).
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:54:14 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Killing and reason
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At 12:45 AM 27/05/98 +0200, Danijel Turina wrote :
>I would think thumping the snake on the head and keeping the guinea pig as
>a pet to be a more human thing to do. You always have a choice. To keep
>killing harmless fury things and justify that with "killing is a part of
>the nature" or to just start buying carrots and salad for the rodent. ;)
Judge as you will. Have fun at it, I know it to be a human thing to do.
The pig is not a rare thing... not even a natural thing, having been bred
by humans for their uses (including human food) for many generations.
The serpent is having it's natural rain forest habitat destroyed by
uncaring humans, and if there are not those to care for that which others
scorn as un evolved, they will disappear.
The human thing to do, indeed.. thump the serpent with a bulldozer. Sad,
eh??
You want to kill my snake for the sake of killing. Not for food, but out
of your own negative judgements. Very, very human, yes indeedy.
The snake is an ancient symbol of the planet, and of K. itself. It is
sacred. It has not evolved since before humans started to, because it is
already a perfect manifestation of Goddess.
I have heard of some eastern temples that keep cobras, do you think they
only give them milk?
Fact is, my keeping a mammal for pet would be cruel, coz my ADD addled
brain would forget to feed it every day.. it would get a very poor quality
of life.. I gave away the budgie and the iguana for that very reason.
Why not go thump your own beloved pet too, eh? So long as you are wanting
to kill for no reason..
Is it a dog that eats meat canned far away?? Or a cat?
Humans keep carnivores as pets coz they are more intelligent than
herbivores. However, few humans take the personal responsibility of killing
to feed the dog.
I did give carrots to the rodent. Also love and blessings and a quick
death.
In any case, a carrot doesn't always appreciate being uprooted either..
>Rats and guinea pigs are infinitely more sensitive and intelligent creatures
>than any snake. Millions of years of evolution ahead. Much closer to people.
(shrug) You have never met my snake..:)
Her sensitivity is enormous, and she carries ancient wisdom in her genes.
She has taught me a lot about patience and opportunism. I see Goddess in
Her, and in the rodent both. All things are equal, but life eats life.
Just the other day Avalon Queen of Serpents served Goddess to teach a
lesson to my friend Freya.. (who also gave love and cuddles to the doomed
pig.. and to the serpent. No judgements. All things want love. Even
Croatian weasels.)
Freya did not know that fish and snakes have no eyelids.. she swore that
she had perviously seen Avalon with her eyes closed when she felt she was
asleep. Her goldfish, too, when she was a child.. closed their eyes to
sleep. Didn't they? We laughed a lot..
She is always seeing one thing that is really another, coz she cannot
tell her second sight from her physical sight. When her awareness told her
the snake was sleeping, she saw it with closed eyes in her reality. Aside
from intuitively, it is otherwise impossible to tell when Avalon is awake
or asleep, unless she is moving... coz snakes have no eyelids.
Freya walks around on this planet in a higher vibration than everybody
else and is completely unaware.. and when she sees something, that someone
else doesn't she blames her bad eyesight.. LOL!!
This has been terrible for her self esteem, and I have been trying to
persuade her that the things she sees Are real, but only for her.
The trigger of discovering something she had always seen was physically
impossible from the creature she had always seen doing it helped her
understand that there was nothing wrong with her eyes.. she sees with her
mind. She has also always seen a gold glow around everything, that she
thought was astigmatism.. LOL! She is seeing the life energy of matter.
Of course, an insensitive person would not have the sensitivity to
understand or appreciate the sublime and subtle communications of a
Serpent... and would likely say it is the Serpent, that is the insensitive
one.. chuckle giggle snort..
Blessings, Mystress SSSSSSSSSerpent.
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