1998/05/24 16:09
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #402
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 402
Today's Topics:
Re: I humbly beg to disagree about b [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Jenny and the crybaby post [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: The Force of Self-Realization [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: The unveiling [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: The Force of Self-Realization [ MariAna Mikula <romeATnospamiwaynet.net> ]
Re: Jenny and the crybaby post [ Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net> ]
for Kristin [ Germaine Hornsby <ghornsbyATnospamtallship ]
Self-realization [ MariAna Mikula <romeATnospamiwaynet.net> ]
Re: Scared/Help/and crybaby [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: Scared/Help [ Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net ]
Re: The Force of Self-Realization [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
Re: The Force of Self-Realization [ "Biharilal Shah" <kunastroATnospamhotmail. ]
TAKE ME OFF THIS LIST [ LainesLite <LainesLiteATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: scared/help [ Jeanne Garner <jeannegATnospamicon.net> ]
Re: The Force of Self-Realization [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: Scared/Help/and crybaby [ pam roberson <pamie59ATnospamyahoo.com> ]
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 13:47:28 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: I humbly beg to disagree about being a crybaby (was Scared/Help)
Message-ID: <35685D30.3EDED847ATnospammail.snet.net>
kristin wrote:
> right now, it seems like its hurting more,
> maybe I should just put up my wall again.
Perhaps. Whatever wall you put up will be swept away quicker than the last.
The hurt will still be there waiting for you to walk through it.
Pain-killers are a temporary fix.
You want real healing?
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 13:51:33 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Jenny and the crybaby post
Message-ID: <35685E24.96FA86A9ATnospammail.snet.net>
kristin wrote:
> I know how hard it is to understand the entire picture when
> you only have a fragment of it.
Solve any one problem, completely to the core, and you've solved them all.In
every fragment lies the Whole.
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 14:06:05 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: The Force of Self-Realization
Message-ID: <3568618D.E70B6359ATnospammail.snet.net>
Jerry wrote:
> "We have some idea of how
> Kundalini can play itself out in everyday life; how so with knowledge of
> the Self?"
Kundalini removes the splinter from the eye so awareness of Self is possible.
> If this is not the place to discuss it, and others are interested,
> perhaps we can take it to a newsgroup.
Will more divisions help?Specialization is a hindrance to be transcended...
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 13:19:51 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The unveiling
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Paul!
>I hadn't really imagined, that I could have a personal relationship
>with God.
I'm so happy for you!!
Love,
Ann
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 14:25:00 -0400
From: MariAna Mikula <romeATnospamiwaynet.net>
To: oreaATnospamerols.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Force of Self-Realization
Message-ID: <356865FC.4B60ATnospamiwaynet.net>
Orea de Sa' Hana wrote:
>
> I'm game. Where do we start/where do we go from here?
>
> blessings,
>
> Orea
>
> Jerry wrote:
>
> > Harsha,
> > Your words make more sense than anything, yet they swerve attention from
> > kundalini to Self, which apparently is seen to be more dangerous.
> >
> > I have joined a discussion group here in Halifax, Nova Scotia. People
> > are invited to talk about whatever they wish. And they start-off adamant
> > about their beliefs and experiences with Kundalini, Christianity, Swami
> > this or that, Reincarnation, Vibrations, Buddhism, you name it. All that
> > stuff is fine. The only thing the leaders of the group serve to do is
> > bring discussion inward, to the Self or the I Am. They do it in a way
> > such that you hardly know it is being done.
> >
> > Because of the easy-going nature of the group, and because the dynamics
> > of it turn out to be a form of relaxation or stress reduction, members
> > return weekly and are actually willing to approach the Self or I Am.
> >
> > But almost without exception there is expression of fear, apprehension,
> > doubt, in regard to what group members think will have to be given-up en
> > route to a communion with or an understanding of the Self or I Am.
> > (Those who are fearless progress quickly, it is said.)
> >
> > The leaders alleviate fear or apprehension simply by being who they are:
> > friends, successes in their homes and careers, people you hang-out with.
> > That demonstration makes the whole spiritual journey seem not only safe
> > but worthwhile (which many had intuited all along.)
> >
> > So, Harsha, it has become clear to me that while there is great support
> > in this list for Kundalini, because many have known and studied it and
> > have incorporated it into their lives -- because it is the Kundalini
> > List! -- the same support for attentiveness to the Self or I Am is not
> > so evident. Perhaps some list members, while fully knowing of the Self,
> > have no need to discuss it; perhaps others have yet to see how that
> > quality of attention becomes integrated into life.
> >
> > So my question for you -- or anyone -- is "We have some idea of how
> > Kundalini can play itself out in everyday life; how so with knowledge of
> > the Self?"
> >
> > That is what people want to know. How is it going to help them become
> > sexier, richer, slimmer, healthier? It sounds like selling-out, but, if
> > I have come to know you at all, what you want to communicate is not
> > merely a pleasant reading or a few nice thoughts. You want to get down
> > with The Self like they're getting down with Kundalini. So do I.
> >
> > If this is not the place to discuss it, and others are interested,
> > perhaps we can take it to a newsgroup.
> >
> > Always,
> > Jerry
> > _____________________
> > Over 30 Teachers, Masters, Confessors of the Nondual
> > http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada
Count me in too!
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 12:25:55 -0600
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net>
To: kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Jenny and the crybaby post
Message-ID: <3568662E.6DC7A106ATnospamwtp.net>
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> I know you do not know the whole picture, and I do not except you to unless I
> opened up to you. I know how hard it is to understand the entire picture when
> you only have a fragment of it.
>
Hi Kristin,
We've all been through difficult times. I've read about people who have
been committed, others whose families have completely abandoned them,
others who have experienced incredibly painful loss through death. Then
there are those who have been or are involved in abusive relationships
with parents or spouses. Sometimes it seems to me that's the price we
pay for waking up.
Last year, I went through an experience similar to yours. Yes, it felt
like I died. And I did. I lost everything in my life. Marriage, house,
business, friends. Turns out that "everything" was one big, dramatic
illusion. The pain of loss has bestowed in me an opportunity to open my
heart and discover my true self. So it turns out to be the biggest
blessing I could have imagined.
I don't know why you think we need to know all the details before we
understand what's going on. The details of your situation aren't really
the point. Do you really need to know every little innuendo about why my
life fell apart to get this message? I could explain that my husband was
an asshole, and my friends didn't support me, and I had to move without
any help...I could go on and on and on. Who really cares about why this
stuff happens? It's the awareness that's important.
tg and others are picking up on the energy of what you are saying. I
don't think you can see this because you are so caught up in all those
details. We don't need to understand the details to feel what you're
experiencing. It's evident.
People on this list do want to help you find clarity. Sometimes to do
that, you have to set your details down and move on.
Best wishes to you,
Nancy
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 15:37:35 -0300
From: Germaine Hornsby <ghornsbyATnospamtallships.istar.ca>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: for Kristin
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Dear Kristin,
There's a Women Center in your home town.
I know this for a fact. Look it up in the phone book.
Perhaps, if you check it out..you'll find someone to talk to, face to face.
I think the list would agree that it's a place to start..?
I know nothing about K, but it's what I would do if I needed someone to
help me.
We want you to be well, Kristin.
Now do your part!!
caring,
Germaine
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 14:56:15 -0400
From: MariAna Mikula <romeATnospamiwaynet.net>
To: umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Self-realization
Message-ID: <35686D4F.2812ATnospamiwaynet.net>
> > That is what people want to know. How is it going to help them become
> > sexier, richer, slimmer, healthier? It sounds like selling-out, but, if
> > I have come to know you at all, what you want to communicate is not
> > merely a pleasant reading or a few nice thoughts. You want to get down
> > with The Self like they're getting down with Kundalini. So do I.
> >
> > If this is not the place to discuss it, and others are interested,
> > perhaps we can take it to a newsgroup.
> >
>
> The last K experience, today, has cresendo'd to self being more accepting of the results....'This self, CAN do anything for herself'. Offensive and defensive from the Past - "You can't do it right." "You can't do anything". You know, the healthy messages of Parent to Child that don't seem to go away when the child reaches adult. They are subliminal until K says "hey"!! "Let's wake it up, today". As a result of the wake up call I have had a shift. This shift will allow me to address the opportunities of today that are before me. A person who is in the business that I am beginning has in a fine home, and I think has a housekeeper, YEAH!!! So, again, as a result of the shift I will begin this venture/adventure with a "TUDE" of I can, I will, and I can. I'll keep ya posted
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 12:00:38 PDT
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, pamie59ATnospamyahoo.com
Subject: Re: Scared/Help/and crybaby
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>Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 04:15:30 -0700 (PDT)
>From: pam roberson <pamie59ATnospamyahoo.com>
>snip
>I don't feel that tg is being judgemental. According to her post, she
>has spent some time talking w/Kristen privately, and others evidently
>have talked with Kristen as well. So what else is someone to think
>when they listen with compassion, give advice to lead the person
>towards helping themselves, and the person doesn't heed the advice?
Glo here: This is very insightful of you, Pam. Yes, one does get weary
of trying to help and feeling the advice is not listened to .(.teegee
is not lacking in compassion) but part of this "difficulty" is that
there is no way out or around this pain of Kristin's..her old escapes
are blocked..the only way out is the last place she wants to go..and
that is INTO the pain. My humble opinion is that this is rather
difficult to assist Kristen via email in the first place..tho I have
seen some truly excellent replies here from a variety of people. We all
have a "story of suffering" and David Bozzi is right in that the details
are not the real issue, just the raw emotion she is feeling is what
needs to be worked with. This is scary stuff for anyone. I would wish
for Kirsten to both continue posting and sharing here..(trust that many
are sending help in many forms ..okay Kristen?) and to find someone in
her REAL life to share and assist her with facing her pain. Also not
easily found. With re: to "It would
appear that Kristin isn't ready to help herself. Only she knows
>the reason for that."
Well, this seems to be the case only because Kristen says she HAS
already tried many of the things being suggested to her. This too is
rather complex to sort out and understand ..all we can do is love
Kristen while she is going thru this..it is tempting to do a "hurry up
and get well" routine.. it may be hard for Kristen to really hear what
is being said to her, when she is in so much pain.
>
>I feel that tg is trying to help Kristen understand something about
>herself that would ultimately lead her towards helping herself more.
Yes, she is. It gets very frustrating to the "helper" to just hear
repetition of "Nothing works and I am still in pain." This may be a
time for sitting with her pain and not trying to "fix it". If so, it
would give both Kristen and TG a break from all this "going in circles"
to just have permission to stop trying to fix it.
With love,
Glo
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 12:14:19 -0700
From: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
To: kristin <kristinATnospamaol.com>
CC: pamie59ATnospamyahoo.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Scared/Help
Message-ID: <3568718B.53535C6AATnospamtransbay.net>
Kristin,
I know you're getting a lot of different pieces of advice here but I'll throw
in my take on things too.
It seems to me that you spend a lot of energy worrying about who you are, who
you seem to be, how people react to you, why things are bad, what can I do to fix
these things, what I need do right now, how can I make this better...etc...
Set all of this worrying aside. Set aside your calls for help. Set aside the
well-meaning replies you've received. Just stop it for one second and don't worry
at all. Just take a deep breath.
Ok now every time you get caught up in self pity, in crying, in turmoil. Make
an effort to just step aside for a breath or two and then let the turmoil happen.
This may be very difficult to do. It sounds like you don't have much practice
meditating or flexing these mental and emotional muscles. But over time if you
try this maybe you won't have to take yourself and your depression so seriously.
The trick is to try not to let yourself be caught in the events... They're
going to happen whether you get caught up with them or not. This turmoil is going
to happen whether you just let it happen or turn all your attention to it and
fixate on it until you sink into it and become whatever is emotionally going on in
your life. Let the emotions happen but don't grab the emotions.
Most importantly try to stop thinking in certain ways:
'I've got a problem.'
'There's something wrong with me.'
'I need to fix things.'
'I've got to work this through.'
All these thoughts do is server to reinforce your illness.
Thinking 'I've got a problem' in a way creates the problem. You've already
acknowledged that there's something wrong in you many e-mails. No need to
reinforce things. The same with the focus on fixing things... Unfortunately in
the western world if there's something wrong the first thought people use is 'if I
just change things it will be better.' This is an erroneous assumption: 'Changing
things may fix problems they may not.' If you think instead 'Is this really a
problem?' The solution may become apparant before you waste your effort changing
things. Not everything can be fixed...Or another way of looking at it is that
everything is already solved you shouldn't have to fight with it. This doesn't
mean don't make the effort. It means solve only the problems you can come to grip
with. You CAN'T fix your knee. You can make it stronger, you can make it more
flexible, you can adjust yourself to the new way your knee is. You are now a
different person physically than you were before. This person may or may not be
able to ski as well as the old you. This person may be able to ski better,
because they know how to focus and work things through in a different way. Your
emotional trauma is the same as the knee injury. You can't fix it. You can
strengthen yourself. You can adjust yourself, and you can let work through. It's
over now, you just need to let the repercussions settle.
It's very important that you remember these things will pass whether you worry
about them or not, whether you envision a dark night of the soul or not what's
going on is still going on. So try to catch yourself and let things go, just let
yourself heal, not try to heal, just let yourself discover who you are, not try to
figure it out, just let things be bad or good, not try to label them
You will get better or not get better, whether you worry about things or not, so
let things be easy.
Dan M.
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 20:46:01 +0100
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>, "Harsha1MTM" <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: The Force of Self-Realization
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>That is what people want to know. How is it going to help them become
>sexier, richer, slimmer, healthier? It sounds like selling-out, but, if
>I have come to know you at all, what you want to communicate is not
>merely a pleasant reading or a few nice thoughts. You want to get down
>with The Self like they're getting down with Kundalini. So do I.
>
>If this is not the place to discuss it, and others are interested,
>perhaps we can take it to a newsgroup.
>
>Always,
>Jerry
Dear Jerry, Harsha, Orea and Friends,
This movement away from worshipping transitory psychic and 'snake dependent'
mind states is indeed something worthwhile. I feel that there are sufficient
people here to create a new forum (non moderated perhaps) on Spirit Web (a
free service - if approved).
Because of the gross inflation of my own ego, it is probably better that I
do not become the moderator (even if unmoderated - someone has to be
moderator :-/) I would certainly abuse such power to my own personal agenda.
Will some other kind person step forward? If not I am willing to set this
up. For now people can send me (privately) their wish to be engaged in this
and I will pass on how they see this working to anyone willing to be
moderator. However give it a few days so that people can step forward
first - then you can email them. Harsha? Jerry? Orea? Willing?
The over inflated
Lobster
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 12:59:41 PDT
From: "Biharilal Shah" <kunastroATnospamhotmail.com>
To: oreaATnospamerols.com
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Subject: Re: The Force of Self-Realization
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>Jerry wrote:
>
>> Harsha,
>> Your words make more sense than anything, yet they swerve attention
from
>> kundalini to Self, which apparently is seen to be more dangerous.
>>
>> I have joined a discussion group here in Halifax, Nova Scotia. People
>> are invited to talk about whatever they wish. And they start-off
adamant
>> about their beliefs and experiences with Kundalini, Christianity,
Swami
>> this or that, Reincarnation, Vibrations, Buddhism, you name it. All
that
>> stuff is fine. The only thing the leaders of the group serve to do is
>> bring discussion inward, to the Self or the I Am. They do it in a way
>> such that you hardly know it is being done.
>>
>> Because of the easy-going nature of the group, and because the
dynamics
>> of it turn out to be a form of relaxation or stress reduction,
members
>> return weekly and are actually willing to approach the Self or I Am.
>>
>> But almost without exception there is expression of fear,
apprehension,
>> doubt, in regard to what group members think will have to be given-up
en
>> route to a communion with or an understanding of the Self or I Am.
>> (Those who are fearless progress quickly, it is said.)
>>
>> The leaders alleviate fear or apprehension simply by being who they
are:
>> friends, successes in their homes and careers, people you hang-out
with.
>> That demonstration makes the whole spiritual journey seem not only
safe
>> but worthwhile (which many had intuited all along.)
>>
>> So, Harsha, it has become clear to me that while there is great
support
>> in this list for Kundalini, because many have known and studied it
and
>> have incorporated it into their lives -- because it is the Kundalini
>> List! -- the same support for attentiveness to the Self or I Am is
not
>> so evident. Perhaps some list members, while fully knowing of the
Self,
>> have no need to discuss it; perhaps others have yet to see how that
>> quality of attention becomes integrated into life.
>>
>> So my question for you -- or anyone -- is "We have some idea of how
>> Kundalini can play itself out in everyday life; how so with knowledge
of
>> the Self?"
>>
>> That is what people want to know. How is it going to help them become
>> sexier, richer, slimmer, healthier? It sounds like selling-out, but,
if
>> I have come to know you at all, what you want to communicate is not
>> merely a pleasant reading or a few nice thoughts. You want to get
down
>> with The Self like they're getting down with Kundalini. So do I.
>>
>> If this is not the place to discuss it, and others are interested,
>> perhaps we can take it to a newsgroup.
>>
>> Always,
>> Jerry
>> _____________________
>> Over 30 Teachers, Masters, Confessors of the Nondual
>> http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada
>
>The group,you are talking,discussing about SELF or I AM
must be those interested in the teachings of Bhagwan Shri
Raman Mahrshi. Whatever experience of light, sound, vision
or any sort,Experiencer is the first person.So Maharshi says
always ask, to whom it happens, ultimately bringing your attention
to yourself i.e. I and next question comes WHO AM I?
To this question, there will be no reply because there are no two
I , that One can reply for the Other.This makes your chattering
mind silent and there is a chance, something can happen.
Silence-Surrender is the key.....Biharilal.
>
>
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 16:33:18 EDT
From: LainesLite <LainesLiteATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: TAKE ME OFF THIS LIST
Message-ID: <8a90382e.3568840fATnospamaol.com>
SORRY BUT THIS PERSONAL TYPE LIST IS NOT WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR --
INFORMATIONAL STUFF YES BUT NOT WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT I THINK.
THANKS,ELAINEaka LainesLite
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 15:50:41
From: Jeanne Garner <jeannegATnospamicon.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: scared/help
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At 10:58 AM 5/24/98 PDT, Susan Carlson wrote:
>It will get better if you want it to...
Exactly so.
>but nothing seems to operate on
>the time schedule we/I want it to...such is life.
Here, I disagree. On some level or other, 'we' set the time schedule, so
it's operating according to our own plan. It's been my experience that
when someone comes asking for advice (and she did say "help"), and then
finds a reason why every piece of advice that's offered cannot be
used--then that person isn't yet ready to give up the condition they're in.
They're holding on for some reason. But that's their right, too. That's
when everyone else should just step back and let the person play it out
until they're ready to move onto the next phase, whatever that might be.
We've all been through this in one form or another, and when we were ready
to move on, to release it, we did just that.
Jeanne
==-* My stars!
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 13:56:00 PDT
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com, umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Force of Self-Realization
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>Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 11:45:54 -0700
>From: Jerry <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
SNIP The Shakti path is a path rich with
>> experiences of all types. As long as the focus is on experiences, no
matter
>> how grand they may be, the Self cannot be Recognized as the
underlying essence
>> and support for the Reality we experience at every level of
existence.
Glo: Seems we have been over this ground before..is why the K-phenom
list was attempted (and didn't happen to work out?).. people ARE at many
different levels and find it helpful to be reassured that others also
experience similar "wierd stuff" tho most experts advise ignoring such.
IS THIS "REALIZATION" THE REAL PURPOSE OF K?? If so, then such
discussions of "SELF" are K-related and belong here. If its unwelcome
here, then ok..let's take it elsewhere.
My humble opinion is that inclusiveness and variety IS a truly spiritual
environment. So, it saddens me to see anyone leave or be made to feel
unwelcome. From beginner to expert..we are one, aren't we? ..even stuff
posted here that is over my head sorta gives me hope, if nothing else.
I like to "hang out" here..with ALL of you. <SNIP>
Jerry wrote such a good question. may we see a response HERE?
>So my question for you -- or anyone -- is "We have some idea of how
>Kundalini can play itself out in everyday life; how so with knowledge
of
>the Self?"
>
>That is what people want to know. How is it going to help them become
>sexier, richer, slimmer, healthier?
Glo cannot help laughing here, Jer. And all this time I was hoping the
"Self" did not mind if I was older, fatter. poorer..etc. Now you want
practical results?? Have a bowl of ice cream and chill out, Jer..
<SNIP>
>
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 14:21:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: pam roberson <pamie59ATnospamyahoo.com>
To: Gloria Lee <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Scared/Help/and crybaby
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Hi Gloria :)
---Gloria Lee wrote:
>
> << My humble opinion is that this is rather
> difficult to assist Kristen via email in the first place..>>
I agree! It would indeed be much better for her to have some people
who are physically located close to her for help and support. I hope
Kristen can find that.
I was telling someone else about my own personal experience of feeling
that pain and despair that's much like being in a deep dark hole. It
is hard to see or listen when you're consumed with pain. It's hard to
find a way to claw your way out. But once that step is taken to ask
for help, then one would think the person is ready to leave the hole.
While you're down there, there's little motivation to look or ask for
help. It's too much trouble. Once you do take a step to ask for a
hand, then that's a major accomplishment. But the real point is that a
person has to want to climb out. Being blinded by ones own pain won't
keep them down if they desire to change it. I guess it just takes
longer for the desire to build up in some. But that's just my opinion,
and who am I but a simple lurker who can't even get my silly posts to
go through most of the time! ; )
Blessings and Peace
Pam
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