1998/05/24 10:59
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #401
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 401
Today's Topics:
The unveiling [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: The Force of Self-Realization [ Jerry <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
Re: Scared/Help [ kristin <kristinATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: I humbly beg to disagree about b [ kristin <kristinATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: The Force of Self-Realization [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Jenny and the crybaby post [ Qwartz <QwartzATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Jenny and the crybaby post [ kristin <kristinATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Subconscious pressure and return [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: Jenny and the crybaby post [ freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com> ]
Re: Jenny and the crybaby post [ kristin <kristinATnospamaol.com> ]
Re:Fear of Death [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
Re: Jenny and the crybaby post [ freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com> ]
Re: Jenny and the crybaby post [ kristin <kristinATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: scared/help [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
Date: 24 May 98 15:38:21 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: The unveiling
Message-Id: <35683E31.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hello.
It is nice when things come together, when instead of the
rollercoaster of emotions there is a quietness and focus. There is a
joy, and an awareness, that one can summon from the depths of oneself.
It is an ecstacy, a bliss, and a great excitement. Passion even. It is
literally an eye-opener.
Over perhaps the past month I have seen a gradual increase in this
immediate fullness. The most surprising thing about it that I have
discovered entirely for myself, is that it is /intelligent/!!
The essense of oneself, the consciousness, can be found when there is
joy and when there is acceptance. And true confidence can bring it
also. All the virtues, if one summons them into being one strangely
finds that that which one is summoning is actually aware. In a way, it
has a character, like it is a person, an intelligence, and it is God.
How glorious that happyness can be far more than just an emotion!
It seems possible to become actually closer to God, to be /faced/ with
God, by asserting a godly and virtuous attitude and experience. I was
most surprised to find such an intelligence and compassion lurking
under the stone of heavy emotion.
I suppose it is what it means to see oneself in all places. As one
becomes more whole, the more virtuous and whole aspects of one's
outlook act as portals or windows onto a heavenly intelligence, and it
is /light/, and it is God. The light is actually ingelligent. It is
alive.
Giving love to something, it like opening up a channel right in front
of your eyes, a little peek-hole through which you look at God. It is
the light at the end of the tunnel or the drawing back of curtains.
The more intensely and fully one does this the more one realises that
one is actually unveiling something remarkable, and something which is
staring right back at you. That's the surprising bit - finding
mutuality there. Coming to /meet/ it, to meet life.
By choosing to be compassionate and gentle and understanding and wise
one is choosing to be faced with God. Why on Earth is anyone afraid of
such a thing when it is so purely loving?
I feel that in my own life I have been increasing the degree to which
I have reached out, and the exent to which the ideal has become
manifest in reality and not just in the imagination. All this talk and
contemplation of kundalini and its activities, and of seeing smiling
faces and kind of practical jokes being played on me but in the
greatest and most gentle of humour, it is like a great welcoming. An
extraordinary welcome that certainly gives one a feeling of belonging.
Behind the muck of the face-mask there is an ocean of your true self.
it's such an embrace. By increasing ones awareness and open-mindedness
and summoning a joyous attitude is like the heavens literally coming
down out of the sky. If mankind does this as a whole it is going to
become reality. Just as an unveiling, the beautiful heaven is just
waiting to burst forth, not to teach us a single thing but to meet us
as it. To visualise it, to be in the midst of God on Earth, one feels
a tremendous warming in the heart. It is miraculous!
For most of my life there has been an element of dislike in having to
be happy. It has been often forced and often falsified. The whole
issue of false smiles and so on. I never imagined it might be possible
for there to be a worthwhileness to the smile, for one to /want/ to do
it, not that it indicates a rise above the mark but because it makes
one realise one is only ever coming up from below. A reason to be
happy, a great attraction towards it. God is so attractive I feel I
cannot resist! There's something almost sexual about it. :)
I hadn't really imagined, that I could have a personal relationship
with God.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 11:45:54 -0700
From: Jerry <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Force of Self-Realization
Message-ID: <35686AE2.CB6ATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
Harsha1MTM wrote:
[thought of snipping, but letter is too tight]
> Harsha: Often we see and hear people comparing the colors that they see at
> particular centers, etc. No doubt such discussions are useful for sharing
> experiences and comparing. In the quest for the Ultimate Reality of the Self,
> it is always good to ask, "Who am I who sees such a color or have such and
> such experiences at such and such centers." In other words, the focus should
> not be allowed to shift from the Seer to the extent that one becomes
> unconscious and therefore lost in experience. If one finds oneself in
> superconscious visionary realms sporting with other beings of light and joy,
> again the aspirant should raise the same question, i.e., "Who am I who enjoys
> these heavenly or celestial realms." The Shakti path is a path rich with
> experiences of all types. As long as the focus is on experiences, no matter
> how grand they may be, the Self cannot be Recognized as the underlying essence
> and support for the Reality we experience at every level of existence. A
> Knower of the Self understands the nature of experiences at all levels,
> including the highest superconscious levels, and remains wholly indifferent.
> It is only in the state of Nirvikalpa Samadhi that the Knower, Knowing, and
> the Known are realized to be absolutely identical. Here, finally, the Seer
> Rests in His Own Nature without the least effort or resistance.
Harsha,
Your words make more sense than anything, yet they swerve attention from
kundalini to Self, which apparently is seen to be more dangerous.
I have joined a discussion group here in Halifax, Nova Scotia. People
are invited to talk about whatever they wish. And they start-off adamant
about their beliefs and experiences with Kundalini, Christianity, Swami
this or that, Reincarnation, Vibrations, Buddhism, you name it. All that
stuff is fine. The only thing the leaders of the group serve to do is
bring discussion inward, to the Self or the I Am. They do it in a way
such that you hardly know it is being done.
Because of the easy-going nature of the group, and because the dynamics
of it turn out to be a form of relaxation or stress reduction, members
return weekly and are actually willing to approach the Self or I Am.
But almost without exception there is expression of fear, apprehension,
doubt, in regard to what group members think will have to be given-up en
route to a communion with or an understanding of the Self or I Am.
(Those who are fearless progress quickly, it is said.)
The leaders alleviate fear or apprehension simply by being who they are:
friends, successes in their homes and careers, people you hang-out with.
That demonstration makes the whole spiritual journey seem not only safe
but worthwhile (which many had intuited all along.)
So, Harsha, it has become clear to me that while there is great support
in this list for Kundalini, because many have known and studied it and
have incorporated it into their lives -- because it is the Kundalini
List! -- the same support for attentiveness to the Self or I Am is not
so evident. Perhaps some list members, while fully knowing of the Self,
have no need to discuss it; perhaps others have yet to see how that
quality of attention becomes integrated into life.
So my question for you -- or anyone -- is "We have some idea of how
Kundalini can play itself out in everyday life; how so with knowledge of
the Self?"
That is what people want to know. How is it going to help them become
sexier, richer, slimmer, healthier? It sounds like selling-out, but, if
I have come to know you at all, what you want to communicate is not
merely a pleasant reading or a few nice thoughts. You want to get down
with The Self like they're getting down with Kundalini. So do I.
If this is not the place to discuss it, and others are interested,
perhaps we can take it to a newsgroup.
Always,
Jerry
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 11:25:08 EDT
From: kristin <kristinATnospamaol.com>
To: pamie59ATnospamyahoo.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Scared/Help
Message-ID: <f84eccc4.35683bd5ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-24 07:02:50 EDT, you write:
>Kristen, that's what Tg is trying to do. She's trying to give you
>support towards getting some help and towards *seeing* the fact that
>for some reason you are not heeding any of the advice you seek.
I understand what tg is trying to do, do not take me wrong on any of my post I
understand what she is doing is trying o give support to seek some advice. I
have been seeking some of the advice also, I have been, and am seeing a
therapist who I saw last year. I thought about other medical help, but that is
the part that you would not understand, since I have not shared what I went
through with medical help before. I will just say this, what happen with all
that has left deep scares in me, and a deep fear, and I have to get past it,
but dealing with right now is to large for me.
>I'm not trying to be mean to you here, but can you see how when someone
listens >and empathizes with you and then gives you some direction towards
helping >yourself, then you don't do anything to get that help, what else can
one think but >that you do not *really* want the help you seek?
I know you are not trying to be mean, I will say some things that you have
said have hit me the wrong way, but I must look at differently, from your
point of view. I have been doing many things to help myself, yes I may not
share with the list, maybe I should so people would understand more, but I
have not, do not feel comfortable with sharing. I want more help than you
know, but it is hard when you feel lost and not sure about anything. Can you
try one thing for me, just try to see it also from my point of view.
>Tg is not a judgemental person. She has observed the obvious and is
>reacting to a fact. And the fact is clear, she's listened, she's
>written to you, and I don't know what else, but I guess you're not
>ready to listen. If you want help, then you have to help yourself and
>heed the advice of others who care. And we all do really care. No
>reaction is not caring. For tg and anyone else to take the time to
>write to you is caring.
I have been listening, I have been listening to many people. I know if I want
help, I must do it, I have always known that.
>Harsha mentioned something about pain medication in an earlier post.
>Are you presently on pain medications? I believe the advice there was
>good. Go get a complete physical. Any medications (recreational or
>otherwise) can cause emotional turmoil and imbalance. If one is
>already feeling a bit out of sorts, then medication can really blow it
>out of proportion. I know that from experience. I also know that when
>you're in pain and need medication, then it's necessary. But perhaps
>there are other alternatives if this is the case.
I was on pain medication for sometime after my knee surgery. I have got a
complete physical recently, and get many I have once a month, for my skiing.
So far all of my physicals have been okay.
Love
Kristin
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 11:46:07 EDT
From: kristin <kristinATnospamaol.com>
To: jenny.hillATnospammail.utexas.edu, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: I humbly beg to disagree about being a crybaby (was Scared/Help)
Message-ID: <4cbcd049.356840c1ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-24 04:47:30 EDT, you write:
>But sometimes, there is a different thing that happens. In some cases, a
>person learns early on in life not to trust others, but to make her/his own
>way in independence and isolation, all the while striving toward the light
>in whatever limited way she can. ( I say "she", not just because of
>Kristin, but because this is my story, too)
>From my childhood, I have learned not to trust anyone, I must say it has not
help me greatly in life, but it has at points protected me. Lately I have been
trying to be more trusting of other people and so on, but its hard, when you
put up a wall when you are young.
>Eventually Spirit must pull the rug out from our rugged individualist
>heroine so that she will be forced to connect on a real level with other
>people--thus facing her worst fears and thus having to learn to surrender
>to Spirit or perish. The loss of independence and identity, and the thought
>of having to seek help from others is the most terrifying thing she can
>imagine, and it only gets more terrifying. It is literally like facing
>death--a very frightening death. It is very hard to be rational, to do
>anything except be terrified and paralyzed. All the well-meaning
>suggestions aside.... it is hard to exist, to take the next breath, and yet
>harder to think of not existing, of not taking the next breath. Following
>suggestions, as useful as they might eventually be, is somewhat irrelevant.
>It is like being asked to choose being ripped to pieces by a torturer or
>burned to death in a fire, and then being told to do something to calm
>oneself down while making this horrendous choice.
That is exactly how feel!
>For me it usually just made things worse because I felt like I SHOULD BE ABLE
>TO PULL MYSELF OUT OF IT!! and not being able to pull myself out by my
>bootstraps, as I had always been able to do before, was so frightening... and
not >being able to do what other people suggested made me feel horribly
humiliated and
>like I deserved to die!
I have always been one who would pull myself out of problems, fears, and my
struggling, but I have not been able to recently, it has been horrible. I do
feel because of that I deserve to die.
>My point in this painfully long discourse (if anyone is still reading at
>this point.... LOL!) is that I believe Kristin may be going through
>something similar to what I went through. If so, it is far beyond the realm
>of being a crybaby... and being called that *really* doesn't help. Telling
>people to turn their attention from her only confirms the nightmare of the
>terror she is facing and probably doesn't help her to release it. I know if
>I'd ever let myself get close enough to a group of people to tell them what
>I was going through, and then one of them advised the group to ignore me,
>it would have been devastating to a point I can't even imagine.
I feel like I am going through exactly what you did. I am just going to say
this, some of the post have hit me really hard, and yes it hurts. I have tried
not let is devastate me, or push my back farther in my struggle. It has been
hard not to let that happen, but all I have been trying to do is see this from
others point of view, and understand where they are coming form, it helps
some, but not really. I have to say those post have made me think, and one
thing it has brought across my mind, is why did I finally open up to people,
and large group of people, cause right now, it seems like its hurting more,
maybe I should just put up my wall again. I am not sure now at all, I am
confused, and feel like I am saying more than I would like.
Love,
Kristin
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 12:29:13 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca, kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: The Force of Self-Realization
Message-ID: <35684AD7.78628F69ATnospamerols.com>
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I'm game. Where do we start/where do we go from here?
blessings,
Orea
Jerry wrote:
> Harsha,
> Your words make more sense than anything, yet they swerve attention from
> kundalini to Self, which apparently is seen to be more dangerous.
>
> I have joined a discussion group here in Halifax, Nova Scotia. People
> are invited to talk about whatever they wish. And they start-off adamant
> about their beliefs and experiences with Kundalini, Christianity, Swami
> this or that, Reincarnation, Vibrations, Buddhism, you name it. All that
> stuff is fine. The only thing the leaders of the group serve to do is
> bring discussion inward, to the Self or the I Am. They do it in a way
> such that you hardly know it is being done.
>
> Because of the easy-going nature of the group, and because the dynamics
> of it turn out to be a form of relaxation or stress reduction, members
> return weekly and are actually willing to approach the Self or I Am.
>
> But almost without exception there is expression of fear, apprehension,
> doubt, in regard to what group members think will have to be given-up en
> route to a communion with or an understanding of the Self or I Am.
> (Those who are fearless progress quickly, it is said.)
>
> The leaders alleviate fear or apprehension simply by being who they are:
> friends, successes in their homes and careers, people you hang-out with.
> That demonstration makes the whole spiritual journey seem not only safe
> but worthwhile (which many had intuited all along.)
>
> So, Harsha, it has become clear to me that while there is great support
> in this list for Kundalini, because many have known and studied it and
> have incorporated it into their lives -- because it is the Kundalini
> List! -- the same support for attentiveness to the Self or I Am is not
> so evident. Perhaps some list members, while fully knowing of the Self,
> have no need to discuss it; perhaps others have yet to see how that
> quality of attention becomes integrated into life.
>
> So my question for you -- or anyone -- is "We have some idea of how
> Kundalini can play itself out in everyday life; how so with knowledge of
> the Self?"
>
> That is what people want to know. How is it going to help them become
> sexier, richer, slimmer, healthier? It sounds like selling-out, but, if
> I have come to know you at all, what you want to communicate is not
> merely a pleasant reading or a few nice thoughts. You want to get down
> with The Self like they're getting down with Kundalini. So do I.
>
> If this is not the place to discuss it, and others are interested,
> perhaps we can take it to a newsgroup.
>
> Always,
> Jerry
> _____________________
> Over 30 Teachers, Masters, Confessors of the Nondual
> http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 12:33:42 EDT
From: Qwartz <QwartzATnospamaol.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Jenny and the crybaby post
Message-ID: <4aa24fc1.35684be7ATnospamaol.com>
I've been trying to post from my yahoo mail account and it just doesn't work,
so I'll post from here. : ) This is Pamie59 by the way.
Jenny, I enjoyed your post and understand completely. Thank you for sharing
that.
I would like to point out though that we don't have the entire picture. Tg had
stated that she and others have been having private conversations with
Kristen. We don't know the details of those conversations. I certainly respect
tg for having respect for Kristen and not posting those details in a public
forum. It can be hard to understand when you don't have the entire picture
though. So just keep in mind that we don't. :) I would only add that in
respect to all of Tg's posts since I've been here , which have shown great
insight and she's shown herself to be very compassionate, her feelings must be
valid.
Peace
Pam
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 13:01:34 EDT
From: kristin <kristinATnospamaol.com>
To: QwartzATnospamaol.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Jenny and the crybaby post
Message-ID: <4e9ec9c3.3568526fATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-24 12:34:18 EDT, you write:
>I would like to point out though that we don't have the entire picture. Tg
had
>stated that she and others have been having private conversations with
>Kristen. We don't know the details of those conversations. I certainly
respect
>tg for having respect for Kristen and not posting those details in a public
>forum. It can be hard to understand when you don't have the entire picture
>though. So just keep in mind that we don't. :) I would only add that in
>respect to all of Tg's posts since I've been here , which have shown great
>insight and she's shown herself to be very compassionate, her feelings must
be
>valid.
I know you do not know the whole picture, and I do not except you to unless I
opened up to you. I know how hard it is to understand the entire picture when
you only have a fragment of it.
Kristin
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 10:06:11 PDT
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
Subject: Re: Subconscious pressure and returning smiles
Message-ID: <19980524170611.25970.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
>
>> When I was in comedy school they said that it's not a joke, if ya
have
>> ta explain it.
>
>Comedy School?Now *that's* funny.
>
>(flunked Rubber Chicken 101)
>David
>
>: ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : )
>
AHA!!! But now you are doing "witty sign-offs"???? Bet you got an A+
in subtlety..fer sure. :):)
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 10:24:26 -0700
From: freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com>
To: kristin <kristinATnospamaol.com>
CC: QwartzATnospamaol.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Jenny and the crybaby post
Message-ID: <356857CA.463EATnospamnwlink.com>
Kristin,
Just spit it out would you, either your gonna get to the point or your
not,,,,,
sorry if that is abrupt, but you keep sayin' the same thing....
"nobody knows the trouble I've seen"
what do you want?
to play 20 questions?
I have been going through a tailspin myself, the advice given to you has
been helpful for me.....I tuck it in the quiet spaces of my knowing and
the spirit with which it was given (to you) spreads a warm, comforting
-not alone feeling- through my veins I am drawing on the good will of
those, like tg, (who by the way is one of the most compasionate people I
have had the privlige of meeting here on the list......}
I am weary of your whinning,,,,,but I truely am grateful for the
responses YOU have recieved....even if you don't seem to be getting
anything out of them for yourself....
thank you list.!
another crybaby....weepin' and strugling and Listening...
freda
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 13:29:25 EDT
From: kristin <kristinATnospamaol.com>
To: fredaATnospamnwlink.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Jenny and the crybaby post
Message-ID: <8a8fba4a.356858f6ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-24 13:21:11 EDT, you write:
>Just spit it out would you, either your gonna get to the point or your
>not,,,,,
>sorry if that is abrupt, but you keep sayin' the same thing....
>"nobody knows the trouble I've seen"
>what do you want?
>to play 20 questions?
>I have been going through a tailspin myself, the advice given to you has
>been helpful for me.....I tuck it in the quiet spaces of my knowing and
>the spirit with which it was given (to you) spreads a warm, comforting
>-not alone feeling- through my veins I am drawing on the good will of
>those, like tg, (who by the way is one of the most compasionate people I
>have had the privlige of meeting here on the list......}
>I am weary of your whinning,,,,,but I truely am grateful for the
>responses YOU have recieved....even if you don't seem to be getting
>anything out of them for yourself...
I do not want to share everything with the whole list, for many reason, but
the most important one is I am not comfortable with sharing with everyone on
the list. So I do not except you to play 20 questions or anything regarding
that. I feel comfortable opening up to some but not all. I know tg is a
compassionate person, I am ant saying she is not.
Kristin
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 10:34:06 PDT
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re:Fear of Death
Message-ID: <19980524173406.11158.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Dear Paul,
In reading your long posts I see that you often answer your own
questions. I would suggest substituting the word "I" every time you have
used the word "you" or "myself" for "oneself". It may make things
clearer for you to see.
Snip
You write:
I wonder if, when unhappy, it would be good therapy to
deliberately
seek to destroy oneself, in a constructure manner. Of course
getting
the wrong end of the stick would turn out as suicide, but
forcing
yourself to be happy about self-termination could be quite
liberating.
When people are unhappy its because their self, their slavery to ideas
and belief systems is being deconstructed...usually by circumstances,
environment, and the people around them. Thats why they are unhappy...so
they search for things to justify their belief system and make
themselves happy again. I do/did that.
You write:
The idea of piling on the pressure when one is vulnerable does
not
sound attractive, but it only becomes additional pressure if you
reject its healing property. I wonder if someday I'll stand up
and
directly challenge God and the whole universe to `come on then',
to
throw everything it has at me, to strike me down and give me
everything it has got - which doesn't mean taking away my
freedom or
happyness - and for there to be a wonderful immortal joy.
So...You make bargains with the Universe now.... :))
It is interesting to me that you write in terms of being taken by force
and doing violence to your self. It amazes me that many people speak of
the path of understanding the true essence of who they are in this way.
Does this point to a belief of the universe as a violent and unsafe
place or only a projection of what we/I think it to be? Hmmm...I would
rather think the Universe would overwhelm me with love, beauty, and
peace.
Actually, I dont really think the Universe/Spirit cares one way or
another. I think I can only receive thru the window/paradigm/template
that I have created to perceive Spirit...in other words...whatever I
receive only validates my belief system.
If I dont like what I am perceiving... I change my point of view.
Love,
Susan
***************************
The god of the cannibals is a cannibal.
Thoreau
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 10:38:41 -0700
From: freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com>
To: kristin <kristinATnospamaol.com>
CC: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Jenny and the crybaby post
Message-ID: <35685B21.1364ATnospamnwlink.com>
then post your stuff privatly, to those you feel comfortable doing that
with.......why are you pestering the rest of us with your mysterious,
only I got trouble - troubles?
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 13:38:37 EDT
From: kristin <kristinATnospamaol.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Jenny and the crybaby post
Message-ID: <a2bfa8b.35685b1fATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-24 13:35:25 EDT, you write:
<< then post your stuff privatly, to those you feel comfortable doing that
with.......why are you pestering the rest of us with your mysterious,
only I got trouble - troubles? >>
I have been posting some things privatly. I am not trying to pester everyone.
I feel more like everyone is digging in to me, and some things I do not want
to share. I am sorry if it seems like i am pestering, thats not what I
amtrying to do.
Be on confused,
Kristin
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 10:58:45 PDT
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: scared/help
Message-ID: <19980524175845.2332.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Funny....it seems like this is getting to be an angry thread.
I think that is important to recognize. Depression (of not the chemical
imbalance sort) is the end result of unexpressed anger and resentment.
I think Kristin has every reason to be angry...if she chooses to feel
so. Anger is a powerful fire that helps to cleanse the soul and gives a
great release of energy that otherwise turns inward and eats away like a
cancer.
Therapist are not often a help for this if they are not trained in anger
release. Also, if a person is not getting better with a therapist's
help...might be time to get a new therapist.
Clients tend to choose therapists they feel comfortable with. Which
often means they can hide out in a therapist's 'blind spot'...i.e. if
your therapist has a problem with anger, it may be forever and a day
before a person gets to work on it because a therapist will never see it
to be so.
And it is possible to move quickly through the more dramatic portions of
this problem. K will help by intensifying the energy and feelings.
Hold on... for the light at the end of the tunnel is not a train.
It will get better if you want it to...but nothing seems to operate on
the time schedule we/I want it to...such is life.
When the feelings and energy get intense I just remember one of my
favorite mantras...."my heart beats with the peace of God".
Many blessings,
Susan
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