1998/05/23 18:36
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #398
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 398
Today's Topics:
the fog [ freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com> ]
Re: HRTZEN: TRANSFORMATIONAL LOVE [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Scared/Help [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: the fog [ valerie <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> ]
Birth it [ MariAna Mikula <romeATnospamiwaynet.net> ]
Re: Scared/Help [ kristin <kristinATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Birth it [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Clouds [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Guru? [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: Guru? [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: Guru? [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re:Birrrrrrrthinggggg it! :))) [ MariAna Mikula <romeATnospamiwaynet.net> ]
Re: Aura colors [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: Guru? [ Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Guru? [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
RE: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #393 [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
RE: Guru? [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
Re: Guru? [ rolf flockoi <rolfATnospamcvc.net> ]
Re: Scared/Help [ Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Scared/Help [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 10:19:35 -0700
From: freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: the fog
Message-ID: <35670527.4FFATnospamnwlink.com>
Hi group,
Been/am dazed for weeks....
this morning I awoke with green fog...not like wet, cloudy, floating
fog, the very air is a golden green. like wearing sunglasses. pretty but
a bit odd....
any ideas....?
--I may not approach this computer for a day or so, so, please do not
take offense if I don't respond for a while, then again I may sit here
all day....takin' things moment by moment...
Weeping,,, I think it is significant... sure has kicked my
behind...anyway, those who wrote me during my weeping episode, I heard
ya, I just haven't come up for air yet,,,,,this thing is evolving with a
vengence - thinking this time I'll ride it out, not fight it and see
what the hell is on the other side of this thing.....I get a distinct
knowing that I have been against this obsticale so many many times, and
this IS where I bail, again and again, the pit of fear...so what the
heck, gonna go check to see if its just a pit....gonna feel damned silly
if thats the case.... : )
well, there it is...
freda
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 13:18:15 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: AES3DDDATnospamaol.com, zarconpitomATnospamhotmail.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: TRANSFORMATIONAL LOVE
Message-ID: <4519f0b9.356704d8ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 5/23/1998 9:04:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, AES3DDDATnospamaol.com
writes:
<< Dear Zarcon, Anita here. In my current experience as babysitterfor above
average as well as special needs children of emergency care cases, >>
Harsha: Please let us cut out the cross posting to both lists. I think
comments were made earlier about the drawbacks of it. Let us nip this in the
bud before it mushrooms again. I would also appreciate being removed from the
Hrtzen list as I am being overwhelmed with mail and I ususally do not
contribute there. Those who wish to benefit from my comments can be on the K-
List:--)). Forgive me if this seems arrogant. I am just trying to manage my
time efficiently. Thank you for your understanding. Love to everyone on all
lists. Big Big Hugs from Harsha.
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 13:42:13 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: kristin <kristinATnospamaol.com>, kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Scared/Help
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Beloved Kristin,
We who know you from this list do not know you as Kristin the ski racer,
we do not see you as this. Kristen the ski racer is two dimensional, a
cut-out, a paper doll. You have been given the opportunity and the
challenge of your lifetime: that of learning to find the beautiful,
courageous Kristen we see and have come to love. When all of the
crutches and all of the implements of your life fall away, when there
seems to be nothing left, there is still that spark within you that is
the real, essential Kristin. You cannot and will not lose her.
This would not have happened if you were not ready to deal with it. It
sounds like a platitude, but trust that it is true. It is at times like
this - yes, I too have been there -that I remember this portion of what
God told me (back when I was channeling God stuff about 7 years ago):
"When darkness descends, and you feel lost and
frightened, remember that you are not alone. Reach out
into the darkness and take my hand.
"It is always there if you need it."
Remember too that as all things come to an end, so too will this
ordeal. I am praying for you, tell me if that's not okay with you.
Hang on!
Blessings,
Orea
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 09:41:31 +0000
From: valerie <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: fredaATnospamnwlink.com
CC: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: the fog
Message-ID: <356699C7.1DAFATnospamptialaska.net>
>the pit of fear...so what the
>heck, gonna go check to see if its just a pit....gonna feel damned
>silly
>if thats the case.... : )
>well, there it is...
freda
NOW is a time of GREAT & intense healings !!! For every tear shed shall
the same laughter emit from the depths of the soul! Empty self of *ego*
& prepare to shine the light as a beacon amidst the darkness!
Give thanx to be in such a hallowed position!
Many people who have been working on *higher self* are simply freaking
at this time, I found out! You ARE NOT ALONE!
your strength shall sully forth as from a mustard seed...
:-)
vc
--
It's never too late to have a happy childhood!
Valerie Cooper
http://geocities.com/SoHo/7982/
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 11:19:16 -0400
From: MariAna Mikula <romeATnospamiwaynet.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Birth it
Message-ID: <3566E8F4.61ABATnospamiwaynet.net>
> What the world needs now is
> love sweet love.....Yes indeed it most certainly does.....For this is
> part of why i am here as a guardian of truths, a teacher to
> some and an observer to many.....seek love through all means.....love is
> good.....
> who is the bearer in your life
> who is the messenger/deliverer
> the known factor is you are/can be the recipient if you so want
> List Leaders Mystress Angelique Serpent and Gloria Greco have taken upon
> themselves a big undertaking and are to be congratulated for their hard
> work.....Each does good in her own way.....Each serves a need.....Each
> fulfills a purpose.....Their responsiblity is big.....
> "What the world needs now is love sweet love" is a nice song. It needs
> to be translated into action, do not you agree?
>
I am MariAna, relatively new to the list. My purpose is to heal,
mind-body-soul. I heal self and I assist in that for whom ever enters
my sphere. The depth to which that occurs depends upon ones own request
mentioned or unmentioned. Yes, the time in the here and now is
deliciously sweet while operating in accountibility with love. I've see
great depths of shifting within self and within the selves of others.
The dragon energy emerges with a passion. So, just when I exhale breath
with victory is some areas I inhale breath of ut, ut, 'there is some
sense of gripping that holds to the very marrow of my bones' ut, ut, a
need to stay with the block and feel/sense where it is coming
from......only to shift with an exhaling breath of lessened 'block'
energy and heightened 'I am' energy. YEAH!!! The rollercoaster is much
more padded with the knowledge of what gets created,birthed from the
interactive inhales and exhales of life, senses, emotions, essence. I
birth 'freeeeeedom'. AND I LIKE IT. challenging ... be courageous each
one. Love and hugs to all, I am MariAna.
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 14:01:50 EDT
From: kristin <kristinATnospamaol.com>
To: oreaATnospamerols.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Scared/Help
Message-ID: <beaa2c55.35670f0fATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-23 13:35:17 EDT, you write:
> We who know you from this list do not know you as Kristin the ski racer,
>we do not see you as this. Kristen the ski racer is two dimensional, a
>cut-out, a paper doll. You have been given the opportunity and the
>challenge of your lifetime: that of learning to find the beautiful,
>courageous Kristen we see and have come to love. When all of the
>crutches and all of the implements of your life fall away, when there
>seems to be nothing left, there is still that spark within you that is
>the real, essential Kristin. You cannot and will not lose her.
I Understand that everyone on the list does not know me as Kristin the ski
racer, but that is how I know myself. I do not know if I enjoy this challenge,
and I wish I was never faced with it, right now, I do not think I am ready for
a challenge this large. I feel like there is nothing left in me, no spark,
nothing, I feel empty, and like I do not have anything. I question if I am
losing myself, I feel like I am.
>Remember too that as all things come to an end, so too will this
>ordeal. I am praying for you, tell me if that's not okay with you.
>Hang on!
I does not seem like this will ever end, like traveling in a tunnel, but there
is no light at the end of it. I feel like I am searching for something I do
not know, the scary part though is, I am searching for myself, and I am
afraid, because I do not know myself, make any sense?
Love,
Kristin
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 14:22:53 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: MariAna Mikula <romeATnospamiwaynet.net>, kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Birth it
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Talk to me about the dragon energy, please. :-) Oh, and welcome!
Blessings,
Orea
Date: 23 May 98 19:39:53 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Clouds
Message-Id: <35672609.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hi.
I never noticed before, but clouds don't make any noise.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: 23 May 98 21:06:25 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Guru?
Message-Id: <35673A51.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hi.
Recently and particularly yesterday and today, things have been
happening. Last night sitting at the computer there was suddenly an
almighty knock, which seemed to be on the underside of the wood of the
desk on which my computer is situated. I couldn't believe how loud it
was! I couldn't have reproduced it even with a hammer. It didn't make
me jump but it really startled me for a little while. Actually it
spooked me a bit. I wondered if it might be a spirit or something
trying to get in contact.
Today I keep seeing smiling faces all over the place. I've been in a
bit of a mood most of the day, unusually angry and feeling somewhat
militarian. I keep seeing a smile in all sorts of places. I'm looking
out looking for them at all. It's quite plain as day. I glanced out
the window at some flaking paintwork and the way the sun waa stricking
the flakes I swear it was a smiling face - mouth, eyes, and nose.
There are other examples. Also something kind of funny happened and
immediately after I lookup into into the completely overcast sky and
there was a but wide `U' shape cut into the cloud where light was
shining through. And above the U in the middle was a single circular
patch, like a single eye. It was uncanny at the time, you had to be
there. I said in my head "I suppose you think that was funny!".
Yesterday I found myself going over a lot of stuff to do with possible
encounters with a `guru' in my past, in dreams and so on. It's a kind
of synchronistic thing. The day before someone, perhaps Jan, had
suggested that the golden being in my dream was my guru. I hadn't
thought of there being a guru `on the other side' before this, but now
that the idea is put into my head all sorts of things are happening.
Earlier today I was feeling quite angry and was almost getting
aggressive. It's just a temporary mood that doesn't happen often. But
I felt like I was being tested. I suppose you can look on anything as
a test if you want but this actually had a feeling of it being a test,
specifically. Even though I was angry I was careful not to lash out at
anyone. Normally my moods are so mentally overwhelming that I go along
with them and do not challenge them, but this time in the heat of the
moment I could see that it was not right. I feel that was the test.
I can't forget about that bang on the wooden desk last night, that was
really freaky. Also lately I have thought that I'd heard faint knocks
on my bedroom door, even though there was nobody there. I can't shift
this feeling I have that there is someone somewhere but very close by,
sort of up in the air, who is grinning at me.
I have been having increasing levels of k activity in the past weeks.
It's become something of a hot-spot in my life. I've been thinking
about it more and inquiring about it more. I even find myself taking
the k list seriously, and to be honest I think I was a bit dismissive
when I first came here. .. just this dam grin, I can't get rid of this
image/sense that someone big is grinning.! My idea of god has changed
recently to somewhat incorporate omnipresence. I have been reaching
out to Sai Baba a bit on occasion. I have also been having some mighty
peculiar dreams. The other night I think I dreampt and acted out the
entire mental activity that occured while writing a message to
Antoine earlier that day. And last night I dreampt that in the big
blue tin of screws that's kept in the loft, was a load of twiglets
floating in water. What the hell?
I have also noticed that I have been less immerses in emotionalism
just recently. I've been feeling more logical, more clear-minded, and
sort of less involved with the past. It's almost like some spiritual
ideals of mine are starting to be outside of me as well as inside -
and like I'm faced with that grinning face.
What is all this? What does it mean? I kind of get the impression that
someone with a lot of power and yet a lot of self-control is trying to
attract my attention, and the wierd thing is that this consciousness
doesn't seem to be human-sized.
My guru?
A laughing budda springs to mind.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 16:32:28 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Guru?
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Have you asked him/her?
-Orea :-)
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 15:54:52 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Guru?
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Hi Paul!
>I kind of get the impression that
>someone with a lot of power and yet a lot of self-control is trying to
>attract my attention, and the wierd thing is that this consciousness
>doesn't seem to be human-sized.
>
>My guru?
>A laughing budda springs to mind.
:))))))))))) LOL :))))))))))))) What more could you ask?? :))))))))
>What is all this? What does it mean?
Why don't you ask him?
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 15:14:35 -0400
From: MariAna Mikula <romeATnospamiwaynet.net>
To: oreaATnospamerols.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re:Birrrrrrrthinggggg it! :)))
Message-ID: <3567201A.45ADATnospamiwaynet.net>
> Orea de Sa' Hana wrote:
> >
> > Talk to me about the dragon energy, please. :-)
>
> Hummmmm, I will give you an example of an experience I had. If anyone
> reading this has experiences or has a different take on what I call the
> dragon energy, please communicate that to us, thx.
>
As a Master of my own life, and dedicating it to the art of
communication, I have learned that to the "A" in the mantra RAOS is a
high honor to defend. R is for Relinquish. (Relinquish what I might
want to see) A is for Acceptance. (To see & accept what is) O is for
being Open minded & hearted (To others reality). S is for Surrender
(Surrender to the present moment as it is made manifest before me)
In a fashion, the present moment isn't fully ours to cherish. In
focusing on our breath, one can shed the pains of the past. The price
is that we face our fears.
Next real life drama.....Precursor..........When one feels their most
fearful anxiety and emotional instability....that is the time to address
it. While being at heightened awareness sense, one can transcend to the
essence of pure descent. Yeah!!!!
I felt the most intense instability addressed it and received cleansing,
pure waterfall essence of truth life and love within the heart of hearts
within the soul where it matters the most.
THE TRUST ISSUE
I connected with trusting someone's center with abandonment issues of
when I was young. The shadow of dragon lurked awaiting its blast of the
fire of purification to enter the scene or it was awaiting to be told to
hide once again in the darkness of the cave. Upon re - membering there
were tears and cries and passionate pain. The afterglow was calm
acceptance and an opening which creates a bigger space for
nonjudgemental, peaceful discernments to be there. Now, the masses will
have a bigger space with which to be reflected from. 1st. there was
anxiety, didn't feel right in the body. Logic, perhaps, vs. sensing.
2nd.There was emotional upset. 3rd. there was acknowledgement and
verbalization of that. 4th there was addressing it with love and
judgement. Judgement that the little girl had been ripped off. Had
massive amounts of fear, lonliness and detatchment from essence as a
result of needed denial. The needed denial was her survival. The
detachment of 'essence' (Honesty with intuitive & in life) was
lonliness. Awake, awake and play with her again. Now, Transcend the
weaknesses of others trust issues there will be room to and play,
discern.
Congratulations, MariAna! You did it again. You have looked into the
dragons face!!!! You, you little child of wonderment, you gazed at the
ugly memories that were monsterous with eyes wide open and you kept
breathing, you spoke your words, you cried out at your distaste for
pain. With skillful ears you heard the calling to address the issue
here and now. With skillful art of discernment you registered the block
to be one that needed removing. This is so that you may be a freer soul
to reflect just that when in relationship with others. The block of the
past is soon to be healed altogether. You will be yourself to which
only you can be. The face of God is shone through you. You have been
seen by it too. Evolving is where I choose to be Father, I am so very
pleased to be with you in this way again. I've missed you sooo very
much. I am happy that I have a soul. My soul is happy to honor isself.
When another soul resists or doesn't trust I will understand and adjust
to what is needed if it be credibility, affirmations, stern forward
movement, well, not stern. However, forward movement, yes. When I
honor little MariAna, essence and purity I honor soul. The two hold
hands and play. Trust, and the elements thereof are, MariAna. Trust
yourself, trust, yourself, trust yourself, trust yourself. Trust
yourself, trust, yoursel............The sell, the cell, the sell, the
cell, the core, the core sell, the cell, the cell is the core, the
relationship is the core of the sell, and be very sure that within the
core of the cell there for seen unto me a correlation of healing a many
, the masses.
Congratulations on the work you have created to be done so as to be your
cell/sell self. We are in the business of relationships. To be all of
who we are and none of what we are not.......
YOU REMEMBERED......FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM.........
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 17:12:55 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Aura colors
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Ann: Looking at this post again, I see I wasn't clear enough, so I want to
add to it.
>Joe:
>You are right about blue for Kundalini in Vajra, at least according to
>my sources. If that is the color you're seeing you won't see smokey
>purple from that person without a lot of work or good fortune in the
>form of a Kundalini shift. The reason goes back to some of those posts I
>did a short time ago about Vajra and how it is different than the other
>three nadis in that large "coaxial cable" with Susumna as the outer
>layer.
>
>Kundalini in Vajra doesn't open chakras. If throat isn't opened you
>won't get the smokey purple.
>
>Vajra can cause activity, a lot of activity, around any chakra, through
>it K can interact with other nadis around the chakras, the person can
>experience the sort of symptoms associated with that nadi, but Vajra is
>like the beltway around a major city, you can't get "downtown" on Vajra.
>And getting "downtown" is where you open the chakra. For that K needs to
>be in one of the other three nadis, Susumna, Citrini, or Brahma.
>
Ann:
I think we have been talking about two different things here. I'm not
talking about vajra nadi or the K. in that nadi.
I'm talking about the energy known as vajra (dorje). It's the energy of
the causal (soul) level, and it works through visuddha (throat center).
Everyone agrees that vajra is blue. It is an extremely heavy energy, but
once it is distributed and established in the body, there is a feeling of
great depth and fullness.
When you are established on visuddha level, people with the vision see you
surrounded in blue or as all blue. You can feel it - feel the blue in the
body and around it. And you can use vajra - see with it, eat it, direct it.
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 18:22:14 EDT
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Guru?
Message-ID: <2a34d60b.35674c17ATnospamaol.com>
paul writes:
What is all this? What does it mean?
Make up something. (and if you can't think of something, let me know and
I'll make up something for you....)
xxxtg <~~~ makes up the rules as she goes along
* If at first you don't succeed, find out if the loser gets anything *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 01:19:36 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Guru?
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At 21:06 1998.05.23 +0000, you wrote:
>What is all this? What does it mean?
:))) "Smile, you're on candid camera?" ;)))))))
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 01:20:17 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: "Jenny" <jenny.hillATnospammail.utexas.edu>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #393
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Jenny,
Those were great examples. The key issue is always fear. As one can't have
fear for something that never happened, it is assumed that fear of death is
the result of having died in previous lives. The fear of death is the parent
of all other fears. Knowing the Self means loosing fear of death and as a
consequence, the other fears.. Martial arts can lead to a state of no fear,
depending on one's skill. But it is not the fear of death that is removed.
However, with martial arts where chi is involved, this could be different,
if chi is forced through the central channel, but it never became clear to
me how a practice of chi can coexist with a practice of K.
Jan
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 01:20:12 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Guru?
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Paul wrote:
[]
> My guru?
> A laughing budda springs to mind.
The majority of kundalites is guided by the so called inner guru. It is also
called the guru of all gurus. But the way you are describing it, you could
have got some help to get connected... So it is great.
Jan
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 17:26:14 -0700
From: rolf flockoi <rolfATnospamcvc.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Guru?
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>>What is all this? What does it mean?
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I can appreciate the concern being expressed, as there is more than it seeme. I have been plagued with "door knocks" and "telephone rings" ever since I began experiencing K over 13 years ago! I used to keep a chart when this happened and it seemed to average around 15 times a month (and is still going on). Used to bug the hell out of me because I was unable to determine what was meant!
Through the years I have asked many people who were quite well versed in things of the "unknown" (yes, even a Guru) and never got anything more than "hmmm--don't know. Sounds like someone of a higher power is trying to contact you", etc., etc. I finally gave up asking.
So when it now happens I think--"sorry! I don't know what you want but it must be something important!"
I most certainly sympathize with anyone who has had things like this happen. Sure wish I knew what was going on! Seems like a waste of sorts--receiving something and then not knowing what to do----
Did have a funny experience one nite tho. I had just installed a new telephone which "warbled" rather than "ring" and that same night the phone rang, but it was the old "ring". Well, this sorta' irritated me so I thought "hey--don't you guys keep a closer check on what's going on? That's my old telephone. I put in a new phone today!"
Silence pervailed for about 2 minutes and when the phone rang again this time it "warbled". I got a good chuckle out of that one.
RF
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 20:25:05 EDT
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: kristinATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Scared/Help
Message-ID: <a8905d3c.356768e2ATnospamaol.com>
Kristen writes:
I have never been dependant on anyone though, because if I became dependant
I found I would get hurt more.
Kristen.... this is not true! You are looking to many here, depending on us
to *fix* you. You are engaging various people here on the list in
conversations offline and asking for their help. You have been given
excellent advice for what you are asking from those that have been down the
same road as yourself. You do not implement their advice. Therefore you are
not actually interested in getting well but are engaging in an inappropriate
cry for attention.
I would ask those who are in contact with Kristin to withdraw their attention
and for her to state on the K forum:
1. What the cause of her depression is
2. What she is going to do about it (I gave her various possibilities, as well
as many others here on the list - she is playing games - very sad power games
- she is unwell to need such a negative attention trip)
3. How we can help
4. Do you want to go around in this sad loop for the rest of your life?
I suggest all personal correspondence is withdrawn. If you are going to
continue with this crybaby routine Kristin there is nothing we can do. If you
want our help, you are going to have to stop playing mind games of 'poor me'.
Otherwise we may just feed you to Lobster :-)
xxxtg
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 21:10:31 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: kristinATnospamaol.com, oreaATnospamerols.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Scared/Help
Message-ID: <446983ec.35677388ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 5/23/1998 11:02:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
kristinATnospamaol.com writes:
<< I does not seem like this will ever end, like traveling in a tunnel, but
there
is no light at the end of it. I feel like I am searching for something I do
not know, the scary part though is, I am searching for myself, and I am
afraid, because I do not know myself, make any sense?
Love,
Kristin
>>
Harsha: It makes perfect sense. I fully understand your search and your
dilemma. May I ask you Kristin how these symptoms came about? Do you feel
the medication you are taking for pain or any other drugs (recreational or
otherwise) you may have used could have done something to with making your
condition worse. Please answer if you wish to. Gloria lee gave good advice
when she suggested a complete physical by a medical doctor to rule out any
other problems. Do you think some type of therapeutic counseling would be
useful to you? Forgive me if I am being presumptuous. There is a light at
the end of the tunnel. One way or another you have to hang on. The best
healing is that of Satsangha (company of spiritual people). Many people are
praying for you.
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