1998/05/21 16:42
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #391
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 391
Today's Topics:
Re: Subconscious pressure [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
Sleepy [ kristin <kristinATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: The big one - explosions [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: Ill [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
RE: Subconscious pressure [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: Scientific studies of Kundalin p [ Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com> ]
RE: Pranayama, Kundalini and Science [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Re: Aura colors [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Re: Bliss, pain and suffering [ "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Re: Subconscious pressure [ "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
RE: Pranayama, Kundalini and Science [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
Date: 21 May 98 13:59:29 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Subconscious pressure
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Jan,
> It seems that you are a born empath.
Someone I used to talk to on a non-internet computer network told me
he was empathic and that I had similar characteristics. I have to
admit though that the level of empathy seems to depend on wether I am
actually feeling confident or not. The more confident I am the less I
feel its effect.
> BTW, if a
> person consciously offends, this person expects a violent/angry
> response.
> Giving a kind response is interpreted as a provocation, resulting in
> another
> offense.
It can do, but if people can see that you love them they are not so
keen to strike up conflict. The ones that are worse as the ones who
are usually really tuff and they like picking fights to test their
strength and stuff, and as such may have a hatred of weakness. This
was sort of the case with my last boss, he seemed to really dislike
any kind of weakness. Maybe that was a good thing, but it was too
strong in him to be balanced. His last words to me were that I was a
wimp, just because I felt ill, for example, whereas he would think it
courageous to work as many hours as possible without a break. It also
depends how much you understand a person.
I was once walking home from work and unfortunately had the company of
this kid that is really hyperactive and offensive and aggressive.
Normally he would focus that on me. And if I felt weak or sensitive to
his activities it would seem worse, and it was almost like I was
myself asking to be bullied. But this one time I wasn't in the mood
for taking any crap so to some extent I hogged the conversation,
deliberately asking lots of questions about safe topics - what he'd
been doing at work and stuff. Because I now seemed, to him, to be the
more confident person he found himself looking up at me rather than
down. The result was that I saw him actually being wary of me and
trying not to focus his attention towards me. I managed to keep it up
all the way home and not once did he get personal because it was like
we were both sharing discussion about something other than ourselves.
Because there wasn't much of a contrast between us - I wasn't the
victim and he wasn't the aggressor - and because I wouldn't go to the
other extreme, it kind of didn't cause him to worry and react. I
actually learnt from that episode just how powerful an influence any
person can have on another just by making it easy for the other
perso to offend. Not many people have self control and it is easy for
them to get worked up if faced with an easy target. Being one to
almost always avoid the easy options, the special bargains, or the
quick shortcuts, I suppose I represent to most people not an easy
target and so I don't make it easy for them to slip. It's like being
with the person as though you aren't there. You have no effect on
their identity, you do not offend them or suggest that who they are is
wrong. I just sort of let him be who he is and made sure to keep it
that way and he just didn't and couldn't lose self control.
--
Paul.
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:48:27 EDT
From: kristin <kristinATnospamaol.com>
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Subject: Sleepy
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Paul:
<< A couple of years ago one night I seemed to be quite tired, perhaps
physically tired, so I went to bed and I lay unusually still. I was
thinking about heaven at the time and daydreaming about some kind of
bliss - a higher level on which there was consciousness. My body
suddenly went to sleep. My sensation of body size seemed to increase
and decrease at the same time. It was in one sense as though I was
much smaller and that my physical body's edges were a long way away,
but at the same time it was as though I was bigger and expanded. As I
realised this was happening my body woke back up again and I
experienced the two extremes merging into the physical size again.
I also read in a number of places that when we sleep the
etheric/astral body expands in order for it to soak up etheric energy
to recharge you. >>
I have had a few experiences, where I am laying down in bed, or on the floor,
My body will go without sensation, and I feel like I am asleep. When I am in
this state, I come out of my body, and see myself laying there resting without
any sensation. When I enter back into my body, I awake, and I have strong
feeling of happiness, bliss, joy.
I have had another experience, which is some related. In the begging of this
year, in a ski race, I took a horrible fall directly on my neck, and the
proceeded through all the safety fences. I remember lading with all my weight
on my neck, and then from there, I watched myself fall, I was not in my body,
I remember just being away from the pain, and watching my mangled body crash.
After my body stopped at the bottom of the hill, I re-entered into my body.
>From there I experienced great pain. I have never really understood any of
these out of body experience, which I have had. I am grateful though for the
out body experience I had during the fall, sometimes I think I was being
protected from the pain of being in body and crashing. I am not sure though.
Love,
Kristin
Date: 21 May 98 14:32:20 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The big one - explosions
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Ann,
> >be alive. I only really saw his body but something had clearly
> >happened to his consciousness. The golden being did the same to
> >another man.
>
> So you were supposed to know what was happening, to understand.
Yes, it was sort of mature and normal that this was something that it
should be alright to see. Sort of professional.
> >of me and just entered me, merged with me.
>
> An incarnate (in the body) Shaktipat master could do this, but this figure
> may be symbolic of golden Shiva (both Shiva/Shakti) himself. When I began
> my K. experience, Shakti spoke to me and acted as my guru. I knew Shakti
> was said to be female, but since I found K. very sexual, I was
> uncomfortable about working with a female. I asked if I could think of my
> guide as Lord Shakti, and the answer was yes, it didn't matter.
Hmm. In some way, there was almost a sexuality about the beings, this
golden one and the one that drove the van later on. It was like it was
almost sensual, exciting, deeply personal and interweaving. But it was
not like lusty stuff. I'm not promiscuous so perhaps this is me own
interpretation.
[What happened next in the experience]
> You have been through an initiation, Paul, a change in consciousness,
> through the grace of your golden guru. He merged with you and ran a lot of
> energy up you, opening up the vertical pathway.
That seems to make sense. This entity is my guru? I have not seen him
in the same form since. Could he have taken on other appearances?
> BTW, did you ask anyone, incarnate or non-, for help?
Well, the time that this first big experience happened I was getting
seriously involved in the possibility of being abducted, and the
people that were supposedly doing the abducting were on some kind of
`other side'. I reached out to them a lot, asking for a sign, wanting
to meet them and stuff. I did meet them in dreams a few times. I was
also trying to reach out to a spirit guide, and doing a tremendous
amount of mental inquisition into all sorts of radica possible
realities.
I did not tell a single living soul about what was happening to me. I
wanted to tell someone about the abduction thing but when it came to
trying to get the words out it was like I just couldn't, it was
somehow wrong, even though it was tearing me up inside. One time I was
almost reduced to tears because I just couldn't say it. No matter how
wrapped up in it I was I could see the perspective of their reality
and how it would be received and I just knew it wasn't concluded yet.
I did write to a number of people on a non-internet network who had
become spiritual friends whom I had a lot in common with. There was
much discussion about it and many other things. But I just couldn't
ask for help from a person face to face. I have never told anyone
in that manner that my K is there or even what the hell kundalini is.
They know nothing of what went on inside me for months or the many
extraordinary realities I've been to one way or another.
Another thing was that when I was very young I would have a terrifying
dream of this monster charging down the stairs at me. In fact, the
monster sort of floated down really fast much like the golden being
did as it zoomed accross the land towards me. I would wake up suddenly
and be in a state of total terror, not able to scream, not able to
think, and knowing that nobody could help me. They dimmed down a lot
in my early teens but came right back in the `abduction' era.
Gradually though I have sort of overcome it, got to know it,
rationalised it. But often there were altered states and presences
involved.
> >By way of his own looking I followed his gaze to see a
> >pregnant woman and a small alien-looking humanoid with white skin and
> >a big head putting its hand onto the stomach area - and it was glowing
> >from the inside out.
>
> A pregnant woman can be a symbol that something new is about to be born.
> You've related the aliens to soul/spirit, "souls or something." And the
> new thing in the stomach was glowing!! Wonderful!! You, of course. :))
Yes I figured it must have something to do with me. Perhaps that it
was me to be incarnated, me to be born. The woman was so heavily
pregnant, and as the light glowed under the beings hand the whole area
was almost transparent.
[The second experience]
> >bursting with passionate love, my eyes were on the verge of tears.
> Yes, these are universal experiences, and yet they don't happen in
> the same way to different people. Your experience is uniquely
> yours, and it's beautiful! Seems to me there are two things here:
> what has been called the Vision of Nature, knowing that everything
> is alive. And the second is knowing that you are one with all of
> it, with the whole universe. For many
> people they happen separately. And yet, maybe if the first is
> strong enough, it leads into the second.
On that particular occasion the only thing I could see was the
aliveness. It was outside and inside and everywhere and it was me. At
the time it was like finding out that there was other life in the
universe, if not high-level (or indeed low-level) lifeforms such as
humans, but at least an aliveness of some sort.
> Here I think you went beyond the experience of being one with the
> external universe to an interior experience of that. It seems you
> almost went into the All, but not quite - you perceived the All from
> just outside, knowing that each thing was individual and yet they
> were unified, one, and you were perceiving things emerging from the
> All into manifestation and disappearing again into the All. Does
> that make sense to you?
Yes. In a way it was like the little particles of `matter' that come
in and out of existence. There has only been I think one other
occasion in which I have seen that diversity in which things were
different yet alike. I had gone on a trip down my local forest and was
having a somewhat ecstatic look at everything, the trees and flowers
and all that. I was getting worked up into a spiritual frenzy of
sorts, really quick movements and seeing a great order in things, a
great beauty in nature. A bit later along the walk I arrived at a
place where on the ground were a number of `weeds'. Thing was, I did
not seem them as weeds. They were alive, and each one of them seemed
to have its own `identity', and yet there was this whole community of
them reaching up to the light. It's like being able to see all the
differences but without any comparisons being made between them.
[The third experience]
> Going up in a dream often signifies going up to higher levels - you
> did it twice.
Yes I figured it was something like that.
> >corner and looked accross to my right, where some bloke was
> >standing
> >amidst a lot of bushes, seemingly a bit confused. Maybe that was my
> >ego. I ran past this. There seemed to be some flames somewhere but
To clarify this bit a litte, there was some commonland, lots of gause
bushes and small trees and some grasses. There was just this bloke
standing out there on his own, he looked a bit confused and didn't
seem to know what he was doing. And dotted around were little heaps of
flames. I translate that this is my ego-self and its reality, which in
the dream I simply did not know or understand or associate with. Which
I figure was part of now being up in the higher plane.
[The rest of the experience]
> Sounds like your guru crushed your ego - your false ego, all the
> crud and crap and mud that we think is us but isn't really. When
> that gets knocked all to bits, all that can survive is love, pure
> consciousness.
Yes.
> >Another time I crossed a river and God spoke to my sould and I
> >could not attatch to a single word with my mind, could not grasp
> >any
> >of it, could not reflect on any of it. It slipped in and out, and
> >was
> >the most beautiful and calm voice,
>
> ***and it was my own voice.***
>
> Maybe THAT was the message.
Possibly. There was a lot of words spoken, for a good few minutes it
seemed. I figured my soul or pure consciousness would receive the
message unquestionably, but the rest of me could not make head nor
tail of it afterwards. The voice was how I think I would sound if I
were /absolutely/ relaxed.
> Wouldn't you like to get to the point where the
> express
> train can come through and you just enjoy it thoroughly?
Maybe.
Thanks Ann.
--
Paul.
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Date: 21 May 98 20:49:09 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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> Hello,
>
> I am new to the list and am joining to both learn more and get some feedback.
> I am concerned as the moment I do any of my practices I become
> dizzy and disoriented and loose my balance. Thanks!
Hello kimivy. Nice to see you on the list. I'm fairly new here myself.
What you say about feeling dizzy and disoriented I can sort of relate
to at the moment. Also the swelling in your head, I had that
yesterday. At present I kind of feel like my whole upper body is
clamming up to facilitate some kind of eternal universal puke. But
funny as it can be to picture such a thing it doesn't feel all that
nice. I am not much of an expert in this area though so I can't say
much more, but then I suppose I know more than those whose k is
sleeping. Perhaps your k is leading you to a higher level and does not
want you paying so much attention to physical things?
--
Paul.
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Date: 21 May 98 20:45:14 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Ill
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Antoine:
> Hi Paul,
>
> Welcome to the roller coaster...
>
> Drinking a lot of water does help as Jeanne wrotte.
>
> Meditation helps smoth out the edges.
>
> Learning to surrender deeply is the key.
In past weeks I have started to become aware that maybe I was not
drinking enough water, so I started drinking more, started remembering
to do it. I don't know if I actually /was/ drinking enough, but the
intake and the need for the intake seems to have naturally increased.
I don't normally sit down to meditate. I know that meditation is life.
But occasional I sit in the dark and be lovely. And that deep
surrender is something I'm perhaps not that accustomed to yet.
--
Paul.
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:30:10 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
Subject: RE: Subconscious pressure
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>Giving a kind response is interpreted as a provocation, resulting in another
>offense.
>
>Jan
I have seen a kind response to an unkind approach work both ways. Sometimes
it defuses a situation and sometimes it escalates it, as Jan says above.
There is another choice, that of a neutral response. I remember when I used
to work in a bookstore that sold, among other things, "erotic" magazines.
Sometimes a man would come up to the counter and slam a pile of magazines
down and glare up at me with a challenge in his eye as if I was going to
disapprove of him. A kind response may have given him more encouragement
than I was interested in, and a frown would have proved to him that he was
able to transfer his shame-based beliefs to me. So instead, I looked at him
levelly and respectfully and asked:
"Will that be cash or charge, sir?"
"Cash"
"So, then, that'll be 15.95...."
"And your change from a twenty is..."
I would then turn my attention to the next person in line. It worked very
well in that situation. The next time the same man came in he would place
the magazines on the counter in a normal fashion, knowing I was just there
to collect his money and not to be "Marian the Librarian."
Another time a man asked me:
"I bet you get a really bad idea of the men who come in here week after
week and buy a stack of these things."
I responded: "Nah. I have a good man, you all are some other woman's
problem," and laughed.
I don't think the man in that case was trying to offend me, but I really
didn't want to have an extended conversation with him either. He ended up
laughing too, as he walked out the door, so it was all good.
Disclaimer: I have nothing against erotica, having perused the odd issue of
"Playgirl" myself, just so ya know :)
amckeon
(knowing that wherever she goes, there she is)
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 18:35:52 EDT
From: Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com>
To: annfisherATnospamstic.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Scientific studies of Kundalin phenomena ( a bit long)
Message-ID: <8c905561.3564ac49ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-21 15:02:04 EDT, you write:
<< Do they also explain these words - ergotrophic and trophotropic? All I can
figure is "heat-feeding" and "nutrition-seeking"!!! :)))))
>>
Hi Ann,
Quote:
"What intrigues d'Aquili and Newberg is how religious rituals and practices
stimulate the two major subsystems of the autonomic systems.
One of these subsystems, the ergotropic system, is the body's fight-or-flight
nervous system. In moments of stress, it raises the heart rate, blood
pressure and respiration, and hastens endocrine to the muscles, among other
activites.
The other system, the trophotropic, can be understood as the system of calm.
It reduces the heart rate, slows respiration, and regulates cell growth,
digestion, relaxation and sleep."
Love, Hillary
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:36:15 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Harsha1MTM'" <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>, janbarenATnospaminfase.es, DruoutATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: Pranayama, Kundalini and Science (was Kumbhaka)
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Harsha: I am not an expert on human biology from a modern perspective.
But
long- term breath suspension along with concentration on the chakras can
be
practiced with the use of a variety of techniques given that the proper
foundation of right conduct has first been laid. What the Yogis such as
Milarepa and Gorkshanath did in terms of pranayama can be replicated
today.
KK: I think that there are many many people who are replicating, to
some extent, what Milarepa did in terms of pranayama - but then Milarepa
was supposed to be seen to fly across valleys. I don't know of anyone
who is doing that now.
Harsha:
If
there is a scientific interest in studying Kundalini, it would seem that
Pranayama would be the natural place to start as at least the "external"
practice of breathing and retaining the breath can be observed and
measured.
Swami Rama once lamented that he has found many people interested in
philosophy and a variety of other things but very few people want to
actually
practice the advanced methods of Pranayama and test their limits. Many
organizations such as 3HO and the Himalayan Institute and others teach
pranayama. I would think that it would be possible to find 10-15 people
who
can say with confidence that "I will do it." The difficulty therefore
might
not be with lack of desire to do scientific studies. There may simply
not be
any qualified subjects. Perhaps someone from the 3HO or the Himalayan
Institute or some other organization can provide more information on
that.
KK:
I think there are a couple questions that are kicking around here. The
first is: What are `` the advanced methods of Pranayama and their
limits?''
The second is: What do these have to do with awakening kundalini? As
you said before - they are not necessary -because kundalini can be
awakened without them. I'm still unclear about the resolution of the
kumbhaka issue. It seems that kumbhaka is not necessary, as per the
discussion above, but neither is it sufficient. Otherwise these deep sea
free-divers would be kundalini awakened.
Kurt
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:48:49 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: annfisherATnospamstic.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Aura colors
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>>>------------------
>>>Ann:
>>>
>>>Hmm, I don't see smokey purple there. Might be interesting to know
>>>how many people do.
>>>
>>Joe:
>>It may have to do with the chakra being open and K residing in throat
>>chakra at that moment.
>
>Ann:
>I'm told the electric blue (vajra) energy is visuddha (throat chakra)
>level. I sometimes see a friend of mine in electric blue and I'm told
he
>has throat center energy. When I was working on that level, a friend
>connected with me and saw me as all bright blue. And I saw lots of
>electric blue with my eyes shut, or open in the dark. Since I'm not
>working on that level, I rarely see the blue at all. And that's all I
know
>about it! :))
Ann,
You are right about blue for Kundalini in Vajra, at least according to
my sources. If that is the color you're seeing you won't see smokey
purple from that person without a lot of work or good fortune in the
form of a Kundalini shift. The reason goes back to some of those posts I
did a short time ago about Vajra and how it is different than the other
three nadis in that large "coaxial cable" with Susumna as the outer
layer.
Kundalini in Vajra doesn't open chakras. If throat isn't opened you
won't get the smokey purple.
Vajra can cause activity, a lot of activity, around any chakra, through
it K can interact with other nadis around the chakras, the person can
experience the sort of symptoms associated with that nadi, but Vajra is
like the beltway around a major city, you can't get "downtown" on Vajra.
And getting "downtown" is where you open the chakra. For that K needs to
be in one of the other three nadis, Susumna, Citrini, or Brahma.
As an aside had Kundalini been in Saraswati nadi you should have seen
red. Again throat, or any other chakra, won't be opened by Kundalini if
it is in Saraswati.
Have a nice holiday weekend.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 18:49:50 -0400
From: "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
Cc: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Bliss, pain and suffering
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Hello Brent,
>How would a person "step out of consciousness"?
Staying in the same conceptual framework of bliss, pain and suffering... One
person could step out of the "lower"consciouness by stopping identifying
with is pain at all level, sensations included. You become what you are
without knowing who you are.
>And how does one then "descend into the physical body consciousness"?
"Wakind up" to your sensation form your bodies (according to the ones one
identifies with) The latter is then slowlly built for "vortex of opening"
from what you beleive you are (because of pain and sensations we are still
attached to some level) to what Is.
Shri Aurobindo once said, "if the ego of an atom would be open to what IS
all at once, it would simply explode leaving nothing behind." Opening those
infinite egos is for me the infinite descend. But one must not lose contact
with the sky when he or she dives The horizon is a razor edge..
>Actually, I've found that words aren't totally useless. I've found that
>words can be successful in giving the information that someone else needs
>when they're one step or two below you on "the ladder", to use a metaphor
>used in a previous message.
Yes words can carry all that is, like the colors of a sunset, the beauty of
the stars. All depends with who you listen or look.
Antoine
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 19:09:00 -0400
From: "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Subconscious pressure
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Hello Paul,
>Someone I used to talk to on a non-internet computer network told me
>he was empathic and that I had similar characteristics. I have to
>admit though that the level of empathy seems to depend on wether I am
>actually feeling confident or not. The more confident I am the less I
>feel its effect.
>From an empath to an emptah. Ask yourself when your are confident, you are
confident about what? Maybe you can find some levels of attachement there,
that, yes, are still necessary on your path but could be replaced, if you
judge it appropriate for you at the time being. Angelique grounding
exercice, is a nice visualisation to be confident about, until it's replaced
by something no one can describe.
>From my experience as an impath, if it may help you. I have found it very
difficult to feel all the sorows and pains of the people around me for a
long while. It kept me grounded pretty well... At least i did not know then
i was feelling others that much. I beleived it was all my stuff and it was
for me to clean it, that i was responsible for it. Then i started meeting
people, more and more, with a deep peace in them. In their presence i just
felt so good. I could learn to open myself in the way each one of them did.
Being an empath became a gift no more a burden. Coming to see people who
where not in peace, after that, brought me to be able to see that emotions,
and all that stuff, we feel from other just pass. There are not mine. Being
attached to them, beleiving they where mine, i would keep them for days
seing someone.
Now, like Morgana once said on K-List, something like this. I simply step in
a croud or in someone "aura", and i feel so much, i am who the person
beleives she is. I step back and i am no more.
Love and courage,
Antoine
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 00:21:02 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: <DruoutATnospamaol.com>, <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>,
"Harsha1MTM" <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Pranayama, Kundalini and Science (was Kumbhaka)
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Harsha wrote:
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>If there is a scientific interest in studying Kundalini, it would seem that
> Pranayama would be the natural place to start as at least the "external"
> practice of breathing and retaining the breath can be observed
> and measured.[]
I wonder, if it would be possible to design a program of pranayama that can
be used as part of the lessons in school. Even with a simple program, it
would provide the possibility to compare matters like ability to concentrate
with a control-group that doesn't practice. If the results are promising,
enough interest will be aroused to continue/intensify the study. The
test-group will later on provide statistical evidence for the relationship
between pranayama and (spontaneous) K.
Jan
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