1998/05/21 06:07
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #389
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 389
Today's Topics:
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #384 [ trexisATnospamjuno.com (Edward Gurd) ]
RE: Subconscious pressure [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
Re: Subconscious pressure [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
paralysis [ trexisATnospamjuno.com (Edward Gurd) ]
Re: The Story of a Smile [ "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com> ]
Re: The big one - explosions [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: solong [ Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.v ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ DarkWay <DarkWayATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Ill [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
Typo Mania! (Was Scientific Studies [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:35:21 +0000
From: trexisATnospamjuno.com (Edward Gurd)
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #384
Message-ID: <19980521.003524.7222.5.trexisATnospamjuno.com>
The talk about people having energy fluctuations being locked up in
mental institutions reminds me of a slighty off topic story. A fellow
in Iceland learned
Reiki healing one weekend and was an avid reader of Barbera Anne
Brennon's
Hands of Light. His parents didn't go for this and had him locked up in
a mental institute. While there he made use of his time performing
healings on other patients
in his ward. Although the patients definately benefited from the
treatments, the nurses removed him from contact with the other patients
as he was only aggrivating
his delusions about healing. He was released after a couple of weeks as
they couldn't hold him but left me wondering how much and how rapid help
could be
delivered to the tens of thousands of people locked up in mental
institutions.
Would someone email me with some more information or contact with the
Spiritual Emmergence Network (or whatever the name is).
>>> > point I was trying to make was, many people, including a
>spiritual
>>> > psychiatrist I've started corresponding w/Dennis Gersten, M.D.
>(whose
>>> > spiritual leader is Sai Baba) now believe there is NO SUCH THING
>as
>mental
>>> > illness--& that m-d, or bipolar illness, IS kundalini! Those
>"mad
>genius"
>>> I've meant to mention Dr. Gersten for a few weeks now. I've been
>>> his book "Are You Getting Enlightened. or Losing Your Mind?" It's
>>> very interesting and I like his spiritual/psych bent. I've always
>>> quite convinced that psychotherapy and spirituality ought to go
>>> hand. I highly recommend his book to all of you, fellow
One of the most significant memories I have of being around people on
extacy mdma, was their smell. It being an amphetamine and the venue
a dance club, everyone was sweating profusely. I could recognize the
people
who were rolling because their sweat was sweet yet spicy (slightly
pungent)
smelling. The quality of the drug that night was reputed to be very
high, but I was broke. Although my attitude and policy concerning drug
use is rather negative, my
experience with X led me to reccomend it. There was no fear, there were
no lies
nor inhibitions in my head, there was no karma, just lots of energy.
One time at a club I saw a kid who was rolling seated in lotus and going
through
some wavelike krias while pressing his palms upwards past his chest. His
gaze
was close to livid and he was speaking in what sounded to me either like
latin
or sanscrit. I offered to give him energy to which he replied emphaticly
to the positive.
I'm rather insensitive to these energies but felt a definite power draw.
He however had a rather life changing internal experience as some old man
channeled something to him. I didn't understand anything Drew said but
when
he came down and the club closed, we and a couple dozen people went to
someone's backyard to watch the sun rise and he asked me ALL sorts of
questions.
I was instantly raised to the SACRED GURU PEDISTAL by someone who had
previously been a complete skeptic of anything supernatural such as
kundalini, krias,
channeling, energy, all of which he had dropped on him quite suddenly. I
was feeling
pretty grounded but the pedistal bothered me in observing his reactions.
He was giving up his own judgement and relying on me to help put back
together his now
shattered sense of reality. The point of this is that I wholehartedly
agree with the
odor/kundalini link and think that mdma from my observations and
experiences is
a drug that can help release or imitate a kundalini energy flow. I also
heard of a few
people ballsy enough to "candy flip" taking both lsd and mdma together.
A lot of the mdma available these days is cut with cocane, or heroine,
and sometimes
substituted with ketamine (special k) or crystal meth, definite yuck
material for anyone's body chemistry or energy. (<--- my disclaimer)
Anyone else with experience on mdma?
Edward
ps, I'll probably be leaving long term in a couple weeks.
love you all
> My own meditations on the topic of science and KA. have given me an
>idea
>for a study of the pheromones of KA. as a way of "proving"
>physiological
>change has taken place.
> Awakened folks smell different, ancient texts and modern experiences
>mention a powerful odors of sandalwood and roses emanating from
>mystics,
>and I have also discovered that there are other, nameless
>unidentifiable
>scents that come up in altered states of meditation that cannot be
>described, but have a profound emotional effect on those who smell it.
> KA children often experience isolation and rejection from their
>peers,
>and this too I believe to be partly an effect of pheromones.. and
>instinctive urge to reject what smells "different" from the tribe,
>just as
>some mammalian parents will reject their offspring if they are
>contaminated
>by human scent.
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 05:47:18 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Subconscious pressure
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Dear Paul,
It seems that you are a born empath. It happened to me as a side-effect of
K., but my response was very different from yours. Instead of giving the
expected response, I learned to give one that was both surprising and
positive for the other person. I experienced the change in the person on my
unexpected response and how this in turn influenced me (it also produced a
sensation of vacuity in manipura). As a result, all my judgments (like nice,
rude etc.) started to dwindle, because I discovered that it worked with
everyone. Gradually, people started to treat me differently. A technical
term for my former practice with empathy could be: optimizing the pranic
flows of one's karmic web. The one at the center benefits most... BTW, if a
person consciously offends, this person expects a violent/angry response.
Giving a kind response is interpreted as a provocation, resulting in another
offense.
Jan
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:25:11 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Subconscious pressure
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>>Ann:
>>So it is possible to control that sensitivity. I don't know how he did it,
>>but I suspect the answer lies in keeping more (most?) of your conscious
>>awareness on higher levels, where negative emotions just don't exist.
>
>Antoine:
>I would rather say it's more by stopping to be attached to what you call
>negative emotions. As being part of us. Becoming transparent to them, yet
>not insensitive to them. But maybe are we saying the same thing.
>
Ann:
Actually, I wasn't trying to talk about not being bothered by negative
emotions. I was saying that he was walking down a New York street, being
bombarded by thoughts and emotions from people all around him. And then he
learned how to turn it off, so that when he wanted to, he could walk down
the same street WITHOUT picking up other people's thoughts and emotions.
He could also turn it on again, whenever he wanted to. This was the guy
who could hear my thoughts so clearly that he could answer me as soon as I
got out a word or two. Sometimes about when I opened my mouth to speak. I
guess by that time the thought was clearly formulated in my head, so he had
it.
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 01:23:41 +0000
From: trexisATnospamjuno.com (Edward Gurd)
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: paralysis
Message-ID: <19980521.012403.7222.7.trexisATnospamjuno.com>
I am skinny enough that many times I'll wake up and an arm or both is so
completely
paralized that I can't move or feel anything for a few minutes. (a little
scarry when you wake with your face in the pillow and cant use your arms
to roll). It's a complete
dead numbness with mundane physiological cause.
I've also experienced a very different paralysis while sleeping on a
couch at a friend's
place. The resident had also experienced the same paralysis on the same
couch.
I awoke flat on my back, a position that would not pinch anything, and
couldn't move
anything. I don't remember well, but could easily doubt that I was even
breathing.
The dream I awoke from was quite like an astral excursion and my return
from the
dream was rather sudden. I was lucid upon awakening and the paralysis
was
distinctive.
I've also had a similar numbness while sitting around relaxed or
distracted where
my limb seemed not only paralyzed, but not where I knew it was laying. I
can move
the limb if I am forceful about it, but usually just observe it.
I've also frequently had the sensation when trying to sit still and still
my mind that my
left arm is flailing uncontrollably in everydirection.
I'm thinking this has to do with various bodies, etheric, astral, mental
etc operating
differently.
EG
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 22:17:52 -0400
From: "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com>
To: "Harsha1MTM" <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>, <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
Cc: <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
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Subject: Re: The Story of a Smile
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As I read your post I was pulled back to that moment of time and
place. I could here the train roaring through the tunnel. For an
instant I was you, Harsha, and then I was that little girl and then I
became that smile.
----------------------------
Harsha: A spiritual smile can be a powerful gift and a healing force. I am
reminded of an incident about 21 years ago in NYC. I was tired and weary and
my whole body was aching. That day none of the yoga teachers had shown up
where I worked. I had ended up teaching everyone else's classes including my
own. In those days, I used to demonstrate every single posture myself and then
hold it along with the class. I had not had much time for eating or drinking
through the day and was quite dehydrated. I entered the subway to go home and
it was full and so I had to stand. I just stood holding on to one of the bars
with my body slumping and my head down. In a few minutes I became aware of a
presence. I looked around. There was a young black girl around 7-8 years old
staring right at me. She was sitting with someone who was perhaps her
grandmother. The older women had her eyes closed and seemed to be praying. The
little girl simply kept staring at me. I thought I must look as awful as I
feel and evidently was being pitied. So I stood a bit straighter and took a
deep breath. I wanted to let the young girl know that I was fine and not to
worry. She still kept staring right at me. Then I returned her look and looked
her in the eyes. For a few seconds her eyes gripped me and then there was this
hint of the most compassionate and loving smile I had ever seen appear on
anyone's face. I spontaneously smiled back. A rush of energy went through my
body. I felt tired no more and was completely alert. It was as if the Goddess
herself had appeared in the subway and smiled at me in the most comforting
way.
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 04:06:59 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: The big one - explosions
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Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Ann, you wrote me a couple of private emails, but are k related so I
>thought I'd just reply here.
My mistake, Paul, I meant to cc to the K-list. (But you should check with
the person the next time that happens. If someone doesn't want his note
made public, he can get pretty upset. It's a big faux pas - I found that
out the hard way! :))
>
>You asked me to define what I meant by explosions and wether they were
>painful or not. ...
>Anyway. The first time I was asleep and dreaming, but it wasn't an
>ordinary dream. It was sort of real-life, like I was conscious. It
>wasn't just some old story. After much ado on the ground at what
>seemed to be my own funeral
Death of the old, birth of the new. Rebirth.
> I was whisked up into the air by a being,
>a male human, whose body and robes (hooded as well I think) were a
>semi-transparent orangy colour, glowing with its own light. He took me
>up into the sky,
Up to a higher level.
>holding me from behind. I entered a wooden shack
>place, which was sort of like a place to wait for some kind of relief
>or something. I watched the golden being enter the body of a man. He
>shook a lot and then the being re-emerged. The bloke was surprised to
>be alive. I only really saw his body but something had clearly
>happened to his consciousness. The golden being did the same to
>another man.
So you were supposed to know what was happening, to understand.
>
>Then it was my turn. He walked around me, was very calm and sort of
>like a doctor preparing for something. He told me that he was going
>to give me a new body. I was fairly alright about this. I asked if he
>could give me psychic powers. He said "we'll see". He stopped in front
>of me and just entered me, merged with me.
An incarnate (in the body) Shaktipat master could do this, but this figure
may be symbolic of golden Shiva (both Shiva/Shakti) himself. When I began
my K. experience, Shakti spoke to me and acted as my guru. I knew Shakti
was said to be female, but since I found K. very sexual, I was
uncomfortable about working with a female. I asked if I could think of my
guide as Lord Shakti, and the answer was yes, it didn't matter.
>I went into and beyond his
>eyes. It was black at first. It was like I was inside my body and
>could not see past its walls. From the outside inwards from all
>directions came a cool feeling. Then from the inside out came a warm
>feeling. Just a sort of wave of energy. Then a heat came in from all
>directions from the outside, actually sort of going inside me. Then
>vibrations started to happen. They seemed to travel from foot to head,
>in that direction. It wasn't subtle either, it was just real big
>blobs, like turbulence. It got faster and faster and stronger and
>stronger. At this time I was kind of like someone trying to keep their
>head just above water to stay alive. The only thing I could do was try
>and /be/, because that was the only part of `me' that wasn't being
>bombarded. Really, the only way I can best describe it is to call it
>an express train. If you could possibly imagine that you were,
>perhaps, a ghost, and you stood on the rails as a full-speed train
>hurtled through your body. Imagine that you could feel every part of
>it passing through you, the rush of it, the speed, the sheer roar of
>it ploughing through you so fast that you can barely keep track of
>yourself. It was like that. Only vertically. It was so completely
>intense. You asked if it were painful. It was uncomfortable, in the
>sense that it did not let up one single moment. A constant onslaught
>of energy ploughing through my like an incredible wind, or train,
>hundreds of miles an hour, feroceous. While this was going on and I
>was barely able to keep track of the fact that I existed, I looked
>forwards through what was some kind of portal thing, or window. Just
>outside of it were these strange swirling patterns, slow-moving,
>gracious, nice colours. I think that in some way it was something to
>keep my mind on - like the way I'd look into the light at the dentists
>to try and not be too caught up in what he was doing. The rushing and
>everything was immediately stopped and I was standing in the same
>place next to the bloke. Nobody else around though. He told me "you
>did well".
You have been through an initiation, Paul, a change in consciousness,
through the grace of your golden guru. He merged with you and ran a lot of
energy up you, opening up the vertical pathway.
BTW, did you ask anyone, incarnate or non-, for help?
>By way of his own looking I followed his gaze to see a
>pregnant woman and a small alien-looking humanoid with white skin and
>a big head putting its hand onto the stomach area - and it was glowing
>from the inside out.
A pregnant woman can be a symbol that something new is about to be born.
You've related the aliens to soul/spirit, "souls or something." And the
new thing in the stomach was glowing!! Wonderful!! You, of course. :))
>
>The second full-on event came about shortly after a suddenly upsurge
>of personal freedom one day as I found myself being tremendously
>unattatched and liberated from my parents. That night while asleep I
>began a dream. It started as it meant to finish. I was standing
>somewhere outdoors. In my heart was an astonishing passion, feeling,
>love. Total awe. All I could see before me was the part of the Earth I
>was standing on, the blue sky above, some clouds. But on a
>consciousness level I WAS the Earth. In that absolute love the only
>thing I could see was life. Everything was life. The beingness of
>things was life. Everywhere was an aliveness. (Just talking about this
>is setting my crown chakra tingling!). I could not see beyond the
>barrier of the sky, but I realised this and the fact that the universe
>was out there. Suddenly it hit me that not only was the entire Earth
>alive, but the whole universe. The WHOLE universe, infinity, was
>absolutely alive. Every part of it. There was life everywhere.
>Absolutely everything was alive. I was the Earth and I was the
>universe. It was all alive. That's what I was. My heart was filled to
>bursting with passionate love, my eyes were on the verge of tears.
Yes, these are universal experiences, and yet they don't happen in the same
way to different people. Your experience is uniquely yours, and it's
beautiful! Seems to me there are two things here: what has been called the
Vision of Nature, knowing that everything is alive. And the second is
knowing that you are one with all of it, with the whole universe. For many
people they happen separately. And yet, maybe if the first is strong
enough, it leads into the second.
This can happen in such different ways! When the first one happened to me,
I didn't even have K., so there was no physical, ecstatic, visionary
experience - just the realization. But I've never forgotten it! From that
moment, I saw everything as alive. And nothing seemed really ugly - when
you see the life in everything, it's all beautiful in its own way.
>
>In the moment that I realised the whole universe was alive everything
>was dark, at the exact same instant that my entire body was suddenly
>filled with pulsating and rippling energies and vibrations. I
>suppose that it only happed in my local vicinity - the size of my body
>- but it was larger than my body shape, sort of covering a spherical
>expanse, and I was aware of every part of it. And the really strange
>thing was that every ripple of energy, every blob, every pulse, was
>different from all the others. There was absolutely nothing that any
>of them had in common. Nothing at all. A complete diversity. And yet,
>at the same time, ALL of them were the same thing. They were all
>at-one, in harmony, together, like seeing all the beast of the jungle
>holding hands. I did not see with my eyes, I /was/ with my
>consciousness. There was many many little pockets of or pocket-sized
>explosions of energy, coming into and out of existence, and no two
>were alike, even though they were ALL completely united. There was
>something completely one about every single part. I could not sense a
>body shape for myself, or for my consciousness. There was just what
>was, just awareness.
Here I think you went beyond the experience of being one with the external
universe to an interior experience of that. It seems you almost went into
the All, but not quite - you perceived the All from just outside, knowing
that each thing was individual and yet they were unified, one, and you were
perceiving things emerging from the All into manifestation and disappearing
again into the All. Does that make sense to you?
>
>The third time came about somewhat more recently, although all three
>of these have occured in the past 3-4 years. I was asleep, dreaming,
>and in the dream I decided to run. Just to run, free, wherever I
>wanted. There was this long lane running up a hill which I went up. I
>got to the top and ran all the way back down. I was quite tired, but I
>went up again.
Going up in a dream often signifies going up to higher levels - you did it
twice.
>Just free running for the freedom of it. I turned a
>corner and looked accross to my right, where some bloke was standing
>amidst a lot of bushes, seemingly a bit confused. Maybe that was my
>ego. I ran past this. There seemed to be some flames somewhere but I
>can't remember where. I went along this flat road, on the footpath.
>Halfway along, suddenly a vehicle sped towards me. It just fitted the
>width of the path. It was a small van, the whole front was flat, and
>there was a driver. He was kind of wierd. Not entirely human, but
>humanoid, not exactly alien. Maybe spirit. He had this immense
>eagerness in his eyes, like his sole intention was to mow me down, but
>that this was exciting and fun. Escstatic.
>
>As the speeding vehicle got to me it flattened me to the floor. Then
>it turned into a real express train. I was like the traintracks. It
>roarer over me, I felt every wheel passing, every carriage. And so
>many carriages. It was going one hell of a speed, so many wheels. It
>rolled me flat, flat as a pancake. My entire sense of self was
>completely flattened. Next thing I knew I was in bed. It seemed like
>my real bed in my real bedroom. I do NOT know if I was dreaming
>anymore, I might have been awake. I got up from what was a completely
>flat pancake-me. And the only thing that DID get up was pure
>consciousness.
Sounds like your guru crushed your ego - your false ego, all the crud and
crap and mud that we think is us but isn't really. When that gets knocked
all to bits, all that can survive is love, pure consciousness.
>I have also had other higher states of consciousness that weren't so
>dramatc. I have had a dream not long ago in which I was as, if not
>more awake than I would be in waking life - like I hadn't gone to
>sleep.
This is the kind of thing you can work more with and develop. Continuity
of consciousness.
>Another time I crossed a river and God spoke to my sould and I
>could not attatch to a single word with my mind, could not grasp any
>of it, could not reflect on any of it. It slipped in and out, and was
>the most beautiful and calm voice,
***and it was my own voice.***
Maybe THAT was the message.
>
>I have, to some extent, the seriousness and unshakeableness of that
>devine state in me all the time.
Yes, you don't forget.
> I try to be close to it. But it is
>serious, it means business,
Yeah, sure does!!
>You also asked if I do daily k work.
>
>The answer to the last question is that, really, I don't do ANY k
>work. Well maybe I do as an ongoing thing you know, just as my
>inquision into things or my wondering about myself. But I don't sit
>down to meditate or do chakra work or anything like that. Should I?
Depends on what you want to do and how serious you are about it.
For instance, all that shit that was knocked off your ego may not have been
cleared out of you completely. Maybe that was left for you to do. But
once it's "steam-rollered" into little pieces and dust, it's easy to get
rid of. Just look for it and focus on it, and shoot it out the top of your
head with up-stream kriya.
For another thing, when you work with K. every day, you are increasing your
capacity to hold and channel energy of various kinds. You get to where you
are walking around with enough energy that it would have knocked you flat a
year earlier. Wouldn't you like to get to the point where the express
train can come through and you just enjoy it thoroughly?
Love,
Ann
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:58:27 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: Edward Gurd <trexisATnospamjuno.com>
Cc: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: solong
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On Thu, 21 May 1998, Edward Gurd wrote:
> You were quite verbally active in march when I resubscribed and have been
> nearly
> silent since your realization that what you needed was more
> prayer/devotion.
> I had been inclined for a while to inquire why you had left and where you
> had gone.
> Yes, I thought you were gone aleady.
> you'll be missed.
>
> Edward
Prayer/devotin though helpful was not for me as per Inner Voice.
I am on the right path. Aperson moving towards Moksh passes thro dark
night of soul once before his last ego dissolves.
On my path of Boddhisattva/adept/master a second night of dark
soul comes. this experience is different from earlier one.
Moreover a conviction that Higher Intelligent Energy is totally in
control and nothing further can be added to this Universe. Everything we
do is a game, so this temporary withdrawl.
I am in search of a list on Buddhism which can help me to either
break or strengthen this Boddhisattva conviction of mine though even this
also does not matter.
Nothing (peswani)
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:56:25 -1000 (HST)
From: DarkWay <DarkWayATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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I'v just joined this list.
I'v had kundalini since 15 since then i'v had every experience ever heard of
>From Samadhi to blah.
heh well I just went threw another kundalini rise.Lotta pressure in my head even still
I hve trouble venting this like i used too.
I'v been in yoga for a few years now first bhakti then more eclectic with several forms of yoga
I am a regular in #KUNDALINI on EFFNET IRC SERVER
if you want to come and talked to several experts and thouse able to transfer shakti etc etc
well I suppose i should go now
Date: 21 May 98 02:43:54 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Ill
Message-Id: <356394EA.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hello.
I am ill. I don't want anyone to send my prayers or healings or help
unless you really want to yourself.
But, I am wondering if it is k related. A few days back I started to
develop a cold. I had a badly blocked and running nose for a few days
and a clogged up throat. Then yesterday I started to get these `aches'
in my lower stomach area, under the belly button, right accross. Each
time my heart beated it would ache more. I now feel lightheaded and
liable to puke.
This aside, the strange thing was that exactly the same thing happened
only a couple of weeks ago. ALL the same symptoms. Back then I
suddenly started to get this ache in my stomach area, under the belly
button, right accross. Sometimes it was like a heat, not always
tremendously hot or anything but a heat nevertheless.
A few weeks before this I was working and had been getting ill, again
the same symptoms. And on the day that I'd had enough and walked out I
started to get these hot-spots in my stomach. I was out walking the
next day having quit the job, and suddenly there was this heat accross
my lower abdomen, you know, below the belly button, right accross.
I don't know if this is k related, maybe it is, or maybe we're keen to
use the terms such as heat and so on as being k stuff. I know that
emotions are stored up in the stomach area, and that there was some
emotional stress prior to each illness coming on. The thing I am
finding strange, and what is beginning to bother me now, is that
precicely the same symptoms have come on on three consecutive
occasions. Should I go see the doctor? Is it kundalini doing some
work?
--
Paul.
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 07:48:32 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com>
Subject: Typo Mania! (Was Scientific Studies of K-phenomena)
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Michele (MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com>) wrote:
>I meant Robert SCHUMANN. Hope
>he's doing well up above, altho' I suffered much pain in college as a piano
>major trying to stretch my poor little hands to several keys beyond an octave
>trying to play his far-reaching chords. (Schumann, BTW, crippled HIMSELF
>w/some lever kind of device he designed in hopes of widening his own hand span
>to play these gargantuan chords he rec'd from the Music of the Spheres that
>no mere mortal could ever play.)
>Schumann spent some time in an institution before he died by suicide.
My piano teacher in college told me that Schumann's wife was a concert
pianist with an unusually wide hand span. He wrote that music for her, and
she performed it! He crippled himself trying to achieve the same span that
she had naturally. My teacher said to just skip that music and play the
rest! :))
Love,
Ann
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