1998/05/20 06:11
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #384
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 384
Today's Topics:
Re: Aura colors (was RE: Ego vs Ego) [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Fwd: Scientific Studies of Kundalini [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Re: Bliss [ "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Re: Bliss [ "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Re: suffering [ "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Re: K in the Bible [ "Sen Ashanka"<sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it ]
Re: K in the Bible [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: K in the Bible [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
K and the bible and "anger" [ Tom_I_BradleyATnospamEURO.CCMAIL.compuserv ]
RE: K in the bible [ Tom_I_BradleyATnospamEURO.CCMAIL.compuserv ]
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 22:19:19 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Aura colors (was RE: Ego vs Ego)
Message-Id: <l03010d06b187f7b624f9ATnospam[207.71.51.33]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>Joe wrote:
><snip>
>>>I showed him the throat chakra plate in "Serpent Power" whose color
>>>is refered to as "smokey purple" in the English translation of that
>>>text. He was excited and said "That's it, that's it, never heard of
>>>smokey purple but that's sure what it is."
>>------------------
>>Ann:
>>
>>Hmm, I don't see smokey purple there. Might be interesting to know
>>how many people do.
>>
>Joe:
>It may have to do with the chakra being open and K residing in throat
>chakra at that moment. My psychic friend had been working with this
>person (also a friend) for over a decade before this and had never seen
>that color, at throat or elsewhere, before. The person had just opened
>throat, with all the unbelievable stuff that can go along with that, and
>it had been an interesting opening. The person has gone on to Ajna since
>then and my psychic friend hasn't mentioned that color again to either
>of us.
Ann:
I'm told the electric blue (vajra) energy is visuddha (throat chakra)
level. I sometimes see a friend of mine in electric blue and I'm told he
has throat center energy. When I was working on that level, a friend
connected with me and saw me as all bright blue. And I saw lots of
electric blue with my eyes shut, or open in the dark. Since I'm not
working on that level, I rarely see the blue at all. And that's all I know
about it! :))
I did see violet at the next level (ajna). Is it possible that your friend
was moving onto the next level at the time? My own progress has not always
been clear-cut; I would find my focus spreading across two or three planes
at the same time. Since the color was described as "muddy," it might
indicate one end of the spectrum of a level.
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 21:06:50 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: <godlasATnospamarches.uga.edu>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Fwd: Scientific Studies of Kundalini phenomena
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980519210650.008f9100ATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Dear Mr. Godlas:
Richard Satin is no longer managing the kundalini list, altho he is
still graciously hosting the website, and so he forwarded your post to me,
the present List Mystress.
As you can see, I am copying this post to the K-list also, for discussion.
<K-Listmembers: please CC: your responses to Mr. Godlas)
With regards to your query, it is topic that has come up often on the
list, and eventually we came to a tentative conclusion that Kundalini is a
subjective experience, and the only way to "prove" it is to awaken the
researchers. :)
If you have some researchers who you need awakened, I can probably assist
you with that.. (grin). I am most definitely interested in the puzzle of
science and K.
I am at this time working with the KA of one scientist whom I believe
will attain enlightenment, and write the Unified field theory to describe
enlightenment in the language of science, to kick the mass consciousness
shift into overdrive.. He, of course, is still very skeptical of this
prediction on my part.. and of my explanations of the odd events occurring
in his reality of late. :D
However, he is coming up with his own explanations from his paradigms
that he likes better, so this is perfection. He is happy to know someone to
tell the stories to, at least..:D
Aside from that, tho, I believe I can provide you with some references.
Have you looked at the work of psychiatrists Standish and Christina Grof?
They have done some research on KA, and have a foundation called the
Spiritual Emergence Network, which specializes in rescuing cases of KA
misdiagnosed as schizophrenia and bipolar disorders.
This angle of research was also mentioned in a recent list post
mentioning another spiritual psychiatrist..:
>Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:23:07 -0700
to: TAvalon <TAvalonATnospamtexas.net>
>CC: MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com>
>Subject: Re: Kundalini Symptom???
>Resent-From: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
>>TAvalon wrote:
>
>> The
>> > point I was trying to make was, many people, including a spiritual
>> > psychiatrist I've started corresponding w/Dennis Gersten, M.D. (whose
>> > spiritual leader is Sai Baba) now believe there is NO SUCH THING as
mental
>> > illness--& that m-d, or bipolar illness, IS kundalini! Those "mad
genius"
>> > creative types--including Picasso, Hemingway, Handel, Schubert among many
>> > others--IMHO all were kundalini awakened, NOT m-d, as reported in a
lot of
>> > psychiatric literature--& unlike us on the k-list, didn't have a
>> > means/understanding of how to handle that energy positively--Michele
>Below is the address of the Gersten Institute--Michele
>http://www.imagerynet.com/
>>>
>> I've meant to mention Dr. Gersten for a few weeks now. I've been reading
>> his book "Are You Getting Enlightened. or Losing Your Mind?" It's been
>> very interesting and I like his spiritual/psych bent. I've always been
>> quite convinced that psychotherapy and spirituality ought to go hand in
>> hand. I highly recommend his book to all of you, fellow kundalini-ites.
>>
>> Blessed Be,
>>
>> Terri Avalon
If this connection is viable, then it may be that the enormous body of
research on mental illness can be turned to the study of K. It is my own
experience that KA is far more widespread than ancient Sanskrit texts would
suggest... at least, that seems to be the case in these times.
I have also found some interest in the writing and research foundation of
Professor John Wren-Lewis, 1/22 Cliffbrook Parade, Clovelly NSW 2031,
Australia.
My own meditations on the topic of science and KA. have given me an idea
for a study of the pheromones of KA. as a way of "proving" physiological
change has taken place.
Awakened folks smell different, ancient texts and modern experiences
mention a powerful odors of sandalwood and roses emanating from mystics,
and I have also discovered that there are other, nameless unidentifiable
scents that come up in altered states of meditation that cannot be
described, but have a profound emotional effect on those who smell it.
KA children often experience isolation and rejection from their peers,
and this too I believe to be partly an effect of pheromones.. and
instinctive urge to reject what smells "different" from the tribe, just as
some mammalian parents will reject their offspring if they are contaminated
by human scent.
Gene Kieffer used to be on the list, he has for many years been carrying
on Gopi Krishna's desire to have research done on K., via the Kundalini
Research Center.(Foundation?)
I do not think he has had much success tho.. possibly because his
research plan is untenable, (IMHO). Mostly he seems to focus on
distributing Gopi Krishna's writings.
His research plan is to gather 100 unawakened test subjects and feed and
house them for 5 years on the hope that in that time one of them has
spontaneous KA and can be studied.
It seems an expensive and pessimistic proposition, especially in view of
such widely contagious phenomenon as the "Toronto Blessing", and Shri
Mataji Nirmala Devi's Nobel prize nomination for her work teaching Shaja
yoga and granting Shaktipat in the restructuring of the former soviet
union. I believe the reason that she caught the attention of the Nobel
committee was because Sahaja Yoga meditation was being used to heal
polluted areas with measurable results.
I believe when this research is wedded to the already large body of
paranormal research from "behind the iron curtain" we will see some
spectacular discoveries.
Possibly the biggest body of acessable research has been done at the
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's university in Indiana.. he is indeed working with
the K. energy, but he does not refer to it by that term at all.. possibly
to avoid any connection with the many warnings in some circles about
awakening the K.. which TM has most definitely been known to do.
As you may know, he also has a large political party which has run
candidates for elections in over 100 countries worldwide. His research is
to back up his political aspirations, but he has attracted some very fine
minds, and made the research available thru the politics.
God luck! Blessings, Mystress.
*********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE ***********
On 5/19/1998, at 1:16 AM, Alan Godlas <godlasATnospamarches.uga.edu> wrote:
>
>Dear Mr. Satin,
>
>Besides the work of Lee Sanella, do you know of any scientific studies (eg.
>brain scans, etc.) of people with Kundalini phenomena ?
>
>Sincereley,
>
>Dr. Alan Godlas
>Dept. of Religion
>University of Georgia
>
>
>
*********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE ***********
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
-- Harry Emerson Fosdick
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:10:35 -0400
From: "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Bliss
Message-ID: <01bd83a5$3d33f660$23f4adceATnospamconcentric>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandeep Chatterjee <sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in>
To: Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Date: 19 mai, 1998 13:49
Subject: Re: Bliss
:Hello Antoine,
:
:For some reason your name is familiar.Have we cyber-met before (smile)?
:
:>
:>Pain is is something wonderfull and limitless to try to understand. And
:>their is always so much to leanr from it, for me. It's my best teacher in
:>life.
:
:
:Yes there is a depth in pain, in grief, in sorrow compared to which joy
:would appear shallow.
:And yes pain is all ways to tell us something.If you are in gratitude, in
:listening a small tap on the shoulder is enough.
:If you are too busy in life then a bigger hammer is used, then maybe a
:sledge hammer. It all depends on you and your diary of schedules, aims,
:goals, objectives etc etc.
:
:
:
:>:When I've thought about what I do when faced with a source of emotional
:>:suffering: I think about the actual situation, try to determine what it
is
:>:that I fear losing, and see what I *really* lose. Because I'm a bit of a
:>:determinist, the goal is always to convince myself that I've lost
nothing.
:
:Out of convincing only resentment is born. You have convinced yourself, you
:hae swept the "loss" under the carpet.But that loss will haunt you.
:
:When you seen the early morning sunrise, do you need to convince yourself
:that you have seen the sun rise?
:
:"See" that you came with nothing and will go with nothing.
:Yes what you came with, time cannot take it away. Find that and you are
:ahead of the game.
:
:>:(There was no way to really avoid that "loss": it was a determined event!
:>:No sense in clinging to the impossible, right?)
:>
:>That's what i like about emotional pain. It will come back if I convinced
:>myself that I've lost nothing in a non "integral" way. Like a monk in is
:>isolation from the world to learn to control is sexual desire and who
feels
:>some kind of "pain" from seing a pretty woman pass in the streat. For me,
:he
:>convinced himself in a non integral way that he only loved the Absolute.
:
:
:Sandeep:
:What that monk has done is to delude himself?
:Reminds me of this anecdote from Buddha's life
:
:While he was seated under the Bodhi tree in "Oneness", in the surrounding
:forests came 4 youths with a prosititue. Very soon, drinks flew and all the
:four having stripped the prositute were at the woman.Seeing a lapse in
their
:drunkness stupor, the woman escapes and starts running away.Chasing the
:woman, the four youths come across Buddha and demands to know whether he
had
:seen a naked woman running away.
:
:Replies Buddha, "Yes there was a human presence, but whether it was a man
or
:woman I would not know.
:Whether the human presence was clothed or naked I would not know."
:
:For Buddha was speaking from a state where clothes did not hide the naked
:purity of being, a state where the distinction between male and female as
:far as the essential being was concerned was no more.
:
:
:
:>Overcoming real day to day "emotional" pain brings what i like to call
:>deepness of being in this world.
:>
:
:Overcoming? Have a look, have you really overcomed anything in life or
:adjusted with it?
:
:>:Sounds like you just have magic powers (you "went inside" for a cure for
:>:your physical problem and *poof!* a doctor appears). I don't think that
:>:using magic powers to deliver you from situations which you "choose not
to
:>:accept" is actually being free of suffering. It sounds like you're only
:>:free of the external situations that "cause" them. (Which ain't half
:>:bad...)
:>
:>Makes me think, the same concept can be applied to eating. One can come to
:a
:>point where he or she finds the "energy" for the body in thin air
directly.
:>But i like eating, even if it's an illusion, i push the attention in
eating
:>to flow back to the source of energy, the I, from my taste sensors. What a
:>source of delight eating can come to be. How good can a glass of water
:feel?
:>
:>Magic is in life, and there is more magic in the simple act of breathing
:>than any superman stuff. Like Terton Sogyal said " I'm not impress if
:>someone can tranform the flor into sky or water in fire. The true miracle
:>appends when someone is able to free, woud it be only once, a negative
:>emotion."
:>
:>
:>:That's pretty much my theory, too. But there's a complication.
:>:
:>:Sometimes, I'll have a headache or some pain that I'm not able to
:"accept",
:>:or maybe I'll have a bad day. No matter what I've tried to do, I'll
:>suffer.
:>:I'll focus on the sensation or on the causes of my emotions, but I won't
:be
:>:able to stop the suffering.
:>
:>I love this quote from Sai Baba,
:>
:>"When you said "Yes" to Me you gave Me your body, your thoughts, your
:>actions. When they don't suit the new you, the uncomfortableness is
:>unbearable. It will be so EVERY time and until you realise this fully,
then
:>and only then will you completely give up desire. For this is the only way
:>man will learn. Very seldom does he learn by quiet reminders. Man's
desires
:>and pitfalls are placed there so that I may do My work."
:
:>"Very seldom does he learn by quiet reminders"... Boy is there wisdom in
:>that one for me.
:
:
:Sandeep:
:So we have to screw up for God, Allah, Sai Baba, Jesus, Jesus' father to do
:His Work?
:I invite you "look" at this.
:
:
:"only then will you completely give up desire"
:
:Sandeep:
:Was it not desire which lead to "this" creation?
:Was it not desire on part of that Oneness (where there was not two) for the
:"other" which lead to this infinitely myriad of creation?
:
:One cannot give up desire. Can you give up breahing?
:No, one needs to "see" the phenomenon of "desiring".
:This very act of witnessing the constant "desiring" that goes on moment
:after moment, leads one to the "desirer".
:The "seer' of all that is being "seen".
:And only the "seer" is real, rest is all part of the illusory world.
:
:But the illusory world is as much needed as a ladder is needed to ascend.
:Nothing to be given up, nothing to be discarded, everything to be "seen" as
:a step of the ascension ladder.
:
:
:
:>:I'll wonder what is unpleasant about that sensation and I'll have no idea
:>:why it is. But it will still suck. Experiences like that suggest to me
:>two
:>:possibilities: 1) I still have some attachments I haven't discovered and
:>:worked through yet; or 2) that "removing attachments" is just
:>:desensitization, and that there is no real escape from suffering, only
the
:>:ability to prevent suffering-causing situations from becoming.
:
:
:Sandeep:
:
:Any event which has come into existence through you, if it is "unpleasant"
:to you, then it means there is an unacceptance in you of What IS.
:Look into what is unacceptable about it for you and teh game that you play
:and you have "seen" one more step in your acsension ladder.
:
:
:
:>It is true for me that desensitization appends, mostly when i want to go
to
:>fast, when i follow an "arrow" in my "developpement" for a while instead
of
:>blowming like the flower i am. Some need the "specialisation" for a while,
:>others for a much more longer while, others a gifted in finding magic in
:>absolutly everything thing and actions.
:
:
:A visualization of "Sandeep"
:
:Not knowing what I seek
:I walk with the wind
:
:This is what describes me. Have a look at your strategy for "development"?
:You can go fast or slow if you know what you aiming to get, to achieve, to
:find, to discover.
:You can only find what you know, what you had once isn't it?
:Otherwise how will you recognise whether what you find is what you were
:seeking.
:How will you even conceptualize what you are seeking for?
:Recognition can only come if there is first cognition.
:
:So if you had "IT" once and have lost it (and hence the search) then that
:"IT" is not worth finding which is "lossable".
:For the first prime quality of Truth is that when you find, you are no
more,
:you have merged with "It".
:Where is the you and where is "Truth and where is the seperation.
:
:
:Not knowing what I seek
:I walk with the wind
:
:
:
:In zikr
:
:
:
:Sandeep
:
:
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:23:25 -0400
From: "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Bliss
Message-ID: <01bd83a7$07eea7a0$23f4adceATnospamconcentric>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Hello Sandeep,
:For some reason your name is familiar.Have we cyber-met before (smile)?
(smile) we did exchange a couple of emails. I wish we will come to exchange
more. I just love what you writte and how i feel you.
Sorry for the email just before, i pressed on the send button before i
wrotte back anything.
:Not knowing what I seek
:I walk with the wind
I love this. Thank you for putting it in words so well.
Blessings
Antoine
PS: I was repplying to Brant where it was written ":" before the lines that
was from him. like for this emails for the text from you. I did read all
your answer as if directed to me: for not knowing who i am, i can only Be.
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:50:27 -0400
From: "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>,
"Dan Margolis" <Dan_MargolisATnospamabm.com>
Cc: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: suffering
Message-ID: <01bd83aa$cef3b900$23f4adceATnospamconcentric>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Hello Brent,
:It could be that, by understanding the causes of suffering and the false
:beliefs and fears that they originate from, suffering could be eliminated
:from one's life altogether. But does that mean that suffering didn't exist
:in the first place?
Ah! The darkness i run after, when i "feel" no more suffering, in order to
bring more deepness to who i am in this world. Looking for, or accepting, a
deeper horizon between yin and yang.
Antoine
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:30:12 +0200
From: "Sen Ashanka"<sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: K in the Bible
Message-Id: <C125660A.00287CE6.00ATnospamais.it>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Hi,
I remember a friend of mine telling me that the Bible
also speaks of the seven heavens, the seven energy centers
of the spine in the subtle body. Sri Yogananda Paramhansa
and Swami Vivekananda have mentioned that the same
spiritual principles are present in the Bible. Only thing
is that the language used at that time was for the
people at that time and so was simplistic and story-like.
Even the supreme philosophy of the non-dualists "Advait"
is mentioned in the phrase "The kingdom of God is within
you". I have not read the Bible in detail and so cannot
comment further, but I do know that the most profound
principles are present there. Jesus, in our opinion was a
trememdously advanced yogi, so much that He had transcended
time, space and causal constraints. This means that He was
in Indian terms, an "Avatar", or an incarnation of God.
One of the greatest saints in mordern times, Sri Ramakrishna
Paramhansa had worked on all paths of reaching God. He had
also practiced the paths of Islam and Christianity and had
personally, through direct experience, come to the
conclusion that all paths lead to the same goal.
Cheers and love to all
Ashanka
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 03:17:18 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: "Sen Ashanka"<sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: K in the Bible
Message-Id: <l03010d01b1883f887041ATnospam[207.71.50.219]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hi Ashanka!
>I remember a friend of mine telling me that the Bible
>also speaks of the seven heavens, the seven energy centers
>of the spine in the subtle body. Sri Yogananda Paramhansa
>and Swami Vivekananda have mentioned that the same
>spiritual principles are present in the Bible. Only thing
>is that the language used at that time was for the
>people at that time and so was simplistic and story-like.
Many people think the book of _Revelation_ is about the seven centers;
Edgar Cayce, America's greatest psychic, said so and there is a book
available of his words explaining it.
The trouble isn't that the book is so simplistic and story-like, but that
it was written in heavily symbolic language at a time of persecution, so
it's more or less in code.
>
>Even the supreme philosophy of the non-dualists "Advait"
>is mentioned in the phrase "The kingdom of God is within
>you". I have not read the Bible in detail and so cannot
>comment further, but I do know that the most profound
>principles are present there. Jesus, in our opinion was a
>trememdously advanced yogi, so much that He had transcended
>time, space and causal constraints. This means that He was
>in Indian terms, an "Avatar", or an incarnation of God.
He said, "In that day you will know that I am in the Father, and the Father
in me, and I in you."
He never said, of course, that his followers would be called Christians.
He did say that they would be known by love.
>
>One of the greatest saints in mordern times, Sri Ramakrishna
>Paramhansa had worked on all paths of reaching God. He had
>also practiced the paths of Islam and Christianity and had
>personally, through direct experience, come to the
>conclusion that all paths lead to the same goal.
Since there is only One, it must be so.
Love,
Ann
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 22:00:56 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
Cc: Roberto Gonzales del Valle <930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe>,
Jim Cook <jimcATnospamsonic.net>, Kundalini List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: K in the Bible
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980519220056.008f6480ATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 03:13 PM 19/05/98 -0500, Debora A. Orf wrote:
>
>does this mean i can start quoting long sutra passages if i wanna ;)?
>
>--janpa
>
Thanks, Deb.. (grin) no, of course you can't.. and as you are suggesting,
that bible passage did not fall under correct posting guidelines, either..
it's a discussion, not a library.. posting a few lines from an author in
the context of a discussion about that author is one thing, but I would
prefer folks not post long tracts by non-listmembers, enlightened or not,
jokes, virus warnings.. just because they think "somebody needs it".
Blessings, A.
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 05:45:16 -0400
From: Tom_I_BradleyATnospamEURO.CCMAIL.compuserve.com
To: "INTERNET:kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: K and the bible and "anger"
Message-ID: <199805200545_MC2-3DA0-B3E3ATnospamcompuserve.com>
Content-Disposition: inline
People have been saying I'm negative or anti-christian. Not really. There was
a post here a while back - the one in
which a christian said about k -"beware of anything that has to do with a
snake". I thought this post was another example
of some evangelist coming in to tell us the error of our ways, so that's why I
came back at him with all guns blazing. I
just don't like people who seek to convert me, whether they're xtians, moslems
or some weird cult. And in truth,
there wasn't anything in the post to directly indicate k in the bible was there
- just a quoted passage about converting
people. See!? The subject of k in the bible (hey, or for that matter in the
book of mormon - any takers?) is valid,
but the input has come from list members. Just plomping down a biblical passage
as if it was self-explanatory
doesn't cut the mustard. Why no accompanying words from the person who sent the
post? Actually I consider
Jesus an admirable human being, but that's neither here nor there.
Tom
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:45:12 -0400
From: Tom_I_BradleyATnospamEURO.CCMAIL.compuserve.com
To: "INTERNET:kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: K in the bible
Message-ID: <199805200847_MC2-3DA2-D29BATnospamcompuserve.com>
Content-Disposition: inline
Lobster,
You are indeed a clever and witty bastard, and your insight is largely
free of twee hippy
bullshit masquerading as wisdom. Mine eyes too have seen the tree of life next
to a lamp in a
cupboard! I liked your interpretation below, although I think you were
straining your metaphors
in relating houses to chakras. My own interpretation is that the author (oops -
I mean quoter
and sender - Jim Sonic something) regards this k-list as the actual house, and
this is his set of
rules for interacting on the list. Note that he hasn't sent anything since, or
said anything - just
dropped a little quote on us. The actual message header "k in the bible" was
just a ploy to draw
our attention to his favourite obsession. But this isn't a bible studies group,
is it?
Tom
>Yeah, yeah, but what has that to do with kundalini, mister christian?
>Just because you're bowled over by one rule book doesn't mean
>that its contents have to be foisted upon us unasked for. And by
>the way the advice is to "heal the sick that are therein". Can you
>do that? No? Then the contents of that biblical passage don't
>truly apply to you either. Religiously fixated people are notable
>for their smug absolutism. And their arrogance.
>
>Thomas Bradley
Well Thomas
Doubtless with a bit of humility you might have found out . . .
>Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.
The 'K' energy is gentle but is distorted by the animal nature which can be
fierce if fought - thus the lamb lies down with the Lion
>Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way.
Be attached to none of the states (purse=heart, bag(scrip?)=knowledge,
sandals=means of travel) and do not be possesed by the signs and visions on
the way
>And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace be to this house.
Each of houses (also known as mansions) represent a different chakra. Each
chakra has to be pacified, we have to relax into to it.
>And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not,
it
>shall turn to you again. And in the same house remain, eating and drinkin
>such things as they give: for the laborer is worthy of his hire.
The son of peace is the perfection of the chakra. If you are attuned to it,
then you are entitled to the gifts of 'food' and 'drink' it contains. For
you have worked for or been gifted rewards . . .
>Go not from house to house. And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they
>receive you, eat such things as are set before you: And heal the sick that
>are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Stay and work on the house (station, mansion, chakra) you are in. When you
are attuned, work with the abilities and qualities you find. The sick are
the aspects of the chakra that need working on. They are healed by the Power
of Love (The Kingdom of God)
>Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see: For I tell you, that
>many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see and
>have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have
>not heard them. ST LUKE 10: 3-9, 23-24
So Dear Friend,
If you look you will see. If you listen you will hear. All that is needed is
a little faith and a little humility . . .
Yeah, yeah
the Arrogant Blessed Mr Lobster
DISCLAIMER!
Home | Archive Index | Search the archives | Subscribe
K. List FAQ | Kundalini FAQs | Signs and Symptoms | Awakening Experiences | K. list Polls | Member Essays | Meditations | List Topics | Art Gallery | Cybrary | Sitemap | Email the moderators.
symbol.