1998/05/19 13:03
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #381
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 381
Today's Topics:
Re: Bliss [ "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Mailing List [ DianeUre <DianeUreATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: kundalini [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: suffering [ "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc ]
Re: Bliss [ "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3 ]
Re:Bliss [ "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc ]
re:bliss [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
Unidentified subject! [ "Dan Margolis"<Dan_MargolisATnospamabm.com ]
suffering [ kristin <kristinATnospamaol.com> ]
K and Judaism [ "Peter A. Salzman" <psalzmanATnospamwesley ]
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:51:51 -0400
From: "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>, "Imtgxxx" <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
Cc: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Bliss
Message-ID: <01bd8346$6c105140$23f4adceATnospamconcentric>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Hello Brent and xxxtg,
Pain is is something wonderfull and limitless to try to understand. And
their is always so much to leanr from it, for me. It's my best teacher in
life.
:When I've thought about what I do when faced with a source of emotional
:suffering: I think about the actual situation, try to determine what it is
:that I fear losing, and see what I *really* lose. Because I'm a bit of a
:determinist, the goal is always to convince myself that I've lost nothing.
:(There was no way to really avoid that "loss": it was a determined event!
:No sense in clinging to the impossible, right?)
That's what i like about emotional pain. It will come back if I convinced
myself that I've lost nothing in a non "integral" way. Like a monk in is
isolation from the world to learn to control is sexual desire and who feels
some kind of "pain" from seing a pretty woman pass in the streat. For me, he
convinced himself in a non integral way that he only loved the Absolute.
Overcoming real day to day "emotional" pain brings what i like to call
deepness of being in this world.
:Sounds like you just have magic powers (you "went inside" for a cure for
:your physical problem and *poof!* a doctor appears). I don't think that
:using magic powers to deliver you from situations which you "choose not to
:accept" is actually being free of suffering. It sounds like you're only
:free of the external situations that "cause" them. (Which ain't half
:bad...)
Makes me think, the same concept can be applied to eating. One can come to a
point where he or she finds the "energy" for the body in thin air directly.
But i like eating, even if it's an illusion, i push the attention in eating
to flow back to the source of energy, the I, from my taste sensors. What a
source of delight eating can come to be. How good can a glass of water feel?
Magic is in life, and there is more magic in the simple act of breathing
than any superman stuff. Like Terton Sogyal said " I'm not impress if
someone can tranform the flor into sky or water in fire. The true miracle
appends when someone is able to free, woud it be only once, a negative
emotion."
:That's pretty much my theory, too. But there's a complication.
:
:Sometimes, I'll have a headache or some pain that I'm not able to "accept",
:or maybe I'll have a bad day. No matter what I've tried to do, I'll
suffer.
:I'll focus on the sensation or on the causes of my emotions, but I won't be
:able to stop the suffering.
I love this quote from Sai Baba,
"When you said "Yes" to Me you gave Me your body, your thoughts, your
actions. When they don't suit the new you, the uncomfortableness is
unbearable. It will be so EVERY time and until you realise this fully, then
and only then will you completely give up desire. For this is the only way
man will learn. Very seldom does he learn by quiet reminders. Man's desires
and pitfalls are placed there so that I may do My work."
"Very seldom does he learn by quiet reminders"... Boy is there wisdom in
that one for me.
:I'll wonder what is unpleasant about that sensation and I'll have no idea
:why it is. But it will still suck. Experiences like that suggest to me
two
:possibilities: 1) I still have some attachments I haven't discovered and
:worked through yet; or 2) that "removing attachments" is just
:desensitization, and that there is no real escape from suffering, only the
:ability to prevent suffering-causing situations from becoming.
It is true for me that desensitization appends, mostly when i want to go to
fast, when i follow an "arrow" in my "developpement" for a while instead of
blowming like the flower i am. Some need the "specialisation" for a while,
others for a much more longer while, others a gifted in finding magic in
absolutly everything thing and actions.
:I guess I'll have to keep experimenting and see what I discover.
There is so much to discorver, my friends.
It's nice to know we point to the same thing with different words.
Antoine
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:00:23 EDT
From: DianeUre <DianeUreATnospamaol.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Mailing List
Message-ID: <63e912dc.3561baa8ATnospamaol.com>
I know I signed up to be on the list...but I don't like all the personal mail
that people are sending each other.....it's too much mail for me to keep up
with and most of it is irrelavant to what I want to know.
Can you only send me things that are real significant?
Otherwise please remove my name...
Thanks you.
Diane Ure
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:25:27 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini
Message-Id: <l03130304b1877e8c59b3ATnospam[126.0.0.108]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>Lobster wrote:
>Yes I have seen it next to a lamp post in a cupboard. I have also seen the
>Qlippoth which are the roots of the tree. I call my Kundalini "Cecil" -
>Cecil the Serpent.
LOL! So what part of you do you call "Beanie"?
amckeon
(I loved that show!)
P.S. Welcome back :)
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:37:08 -0500
From: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
To: "Dan Margolis" <Dan_MargolisATnospamabm.com>
Cc: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: suffering
Message-ID: <004e01bd834c$df62f700$30175ea0ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu.tc.umn.eduumn.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Margolis <Dan_MargolisATnospamabm.com>
To: Brent L Blalock <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>; acarreATnospamconcentric.net
<acarreATnospamconcentric.net>; kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
<kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 19, 1998 10:47 AM
Subject: suffering was Re:Bliss
Someone said:
>Love, Love, Love
>Life, death, life
>It's so wonderfull.
>I can't imagine anything more beautifull.
Then I said:
> What about suffering horribly? Suffering could be the result of
attachment,
> but it exists nonetheless. If it weren't for suffering, I'd agree with
> you most wholeheartedly.
Then Dan said:
> There is no suffering...
If there is no suffering, then why are we using the word "suffering"?
Buddhist-types are of the opinion that suffering is a direct result of
having aversion, delusion, or attachment, most likely a combination of the
three. That makes suffering an illusion -- fake and irrational.
But, even though physical events don't with necessity cause suffering,
suffering does exist. Beings that are attached to things, deluded, or
repulsed by things do suffer.
It could be that, by understanding the causes of suffering and the false
beliefs and fears that they originate from, suffering could be eliminated
from one's life altogether. But does that mean that suffering didn't exist
in the first place?
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 23:15:23 +0530
From: "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in>
To: "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Bliss
Message-ID: <01bd834d$e63511c0$832d36caATnospamdefault>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Hello Antoine,
For some reason your name is familiar.Have we cyber-met before (smile)?
>
>Pain is is something wonderfull and limitless to try to understand. And
>their is always so much to leanr from it, for me. It's my best teacher in
>life.
Yes there is a depth in pain, in grief, in sorrow compared to which joy
would appear shallow.
And yes pain is all ways to tell us something.If you are in gratitude, in
listening a small tap on the shoulder is enough.
If you are too busy in life then a bigger hammer is used, then maybe a
sledge hammer. It all depends on you and your diary of schedules, aims,
goals, objectives etc etc.
>:When I've thought about what I do when faced with a source of emotional
>:suffering: I think about the actual situation, try to determine what it is
>:that I fear losing, and see what I *really* lose. Because I'm a bit of a
>:determinist, the goal is always to convince myself that I've lost nothing.
Out of convincing only resentment is born. You have convinced yourself, you
hae swept the "loss" under the carpet.But that loss will haunt you.
When you seen the early morning sunrise, do you need to convince yourself
that you have seen the sun rise?
"See" that you came with nothing and will go with nothing.
Yes what you came with, time cannot take it away. Find that and you are
ahead of the game.
>:(There was no way to really avoid that "loss": it was a determined event!
>:No sense in clinging to the impossible, right?)
>
>That's what i like about emotional pain. It will come back if I convinced
>myself that I've lost nothing in a non "integral" way. Like a monk in is
>isolation from the world to learn to control is sexual desire and who feels
>some kind of "pain" from seing a pretty woman pass in the streat. For me,
he
>convinced himself in a non integral way that he only loved the Absolute.
Sandeep:
What that monk has done is to delude himself?
Reminds me of this anecdote from Buddha's life
While he was seated under the Bodhi tree in "Oneness", in the surrounding
forests came 4 youths with a prosititue. Very soon, drinks flew and all the
four having stripped the prositute were at the woman.Seeing a lapse in their
drunkness stupor, the woman escapes and starts running away.Chasing the
woman, the four youths come across Buddha and demands to know whether he had
seen a naked woman running away.
Replies Buddha, "Yes there was a human presence, but whether it was a man or
woman I would not know.
Whether the human presence was clothed or naked I would not know."
For Buddha was speaking from a state where clothes did not hide the naked
purity of being, a state where the distinction between male and female as
far as the essential being was concerned was no more.
>Overcoming real day to day "emotional" pain brings what i like to call
>deepness of being in this world.
>
Overcoming? Have a look, have you really overcomed anything in life or
adjusted with it?
>:Sounds like you just have magic powers (you "went inside" for a cure for
>:your physical problem and *poof!* a doctor appears). I don't think that
>:using magic powers to deliver you from situations which you "choose not to
>:accept" is actually being free of suffering. It sounds like you're only
>:free of the external situations that "cause" them. (Which ain't half
>:bad...)
>
>Makes me think, the same concept can be applied to eating. One can come to
a
>point where he or she finds the "energy" for the body in thin air directly.
>But i like eating, even if it's an illusion, i push the attention in eating
>to flow back to the source of energy, the I, from my taste sensors. What a
>source of delight eating can come to be. How good can a glass of water
feel?
>
>Magic is in life, and there is more magic in the simple act of breathing
>than any superman stuff. Like Terton Sogyal said " I'm not impress if
>someone can tranform the flor into sky or water in fire. The true miracle
>appends when someone is able to free, woud it be only once, a negative
>emotion."
>
>
>:That's pretty much my theory, too. But there's a complication.
>:
>:Sometimes, I'll have a headache or some pain that I'm not able to
"accept",
>:or maybe I'll have a bad day. No matter what I've tried to do, I'll
>suffer.
>:I'll focus on the sensation or on the causes of my emotions, but I won't
be
>:able to stop the suffering.
>
>I love this quote from Sai Baba,
>
>"When you said "Yes" to Me you gave Me your body, your thoughts, your
>actions. When they don't suit the new you, the uncomfortableness is
>unbearable. It will be so EVERY time and until you realise this fully, then
>and only then will you completely give up desire. For this is the only way
>man will learn. Very seldom does he learn by quiet reminders. Man's desires
>and pitfalls are placed there so that I may do My work."
>"Very seldom does he learn by quiet reminders"... Boy is there wisdom in
>that one for me.
Sandeep:
So we have to screw up for God, Allah, Sai Baba, Jesus, Jesus' father to do
His Work?
I invite you "look" at this.
"only then will you completely give up desire"
Sandeep:
Was it not desire which lead to "this" creation?
Was it not desire on part of that Oneness (where there was not two) for the
"other" which lead to this infinitely myriad of creation?
One cannot give up desire. Can you give up breahing?
No, one needs to "see" the phenomenon of "desiring".
This very act of witnessing the constant "desiring" that goes on moment
after moment, leads one to the "desirer".
The "seer' of all that is being "seen".
And only the "seer" is real, rest is all part of the illusory world.
But the illusory world is as much needed as a ladder is needed to ascend.
Nothing to be given up, nothing to be discarded, everything to be "seen" as
a step of the ascension ladder.
>:I'll wonder what is unpleasant about that sensation and I'll have no idea
>:why it is. But it will still suck. Experiences like that suggest to me
>two
>:possibilities: 1) I still have some attachments I haven't discovered and
>:worked through yet; or 2) that "removing attachments" is just
>:desensitization, and that there is no real escape from suffering, only the
>:ability to prevent suffering-causing situations from becoming.
Sandeep:
Any event which has come into existence through you, if it is "unpleasant"
to you, then it means there is an unacceptance in you of What IS.
Look into what is unacceptable about it for you and teh game that you play
and you have "seen" one more step in your acsension ladder.
>It is true for me that desensitization appends, mostly when i want to go to
>fast, when i follow an "arrow" in my "developpement" for a while instead of
>blowming like the flower i am. Some need the "specialisation" for a while,
>others for a much more longer while, others a gifted in finding magic in
>absolutly everything thing and actions.
A visualization of "Sandeep"
Not knowing what I seek
I walk with the wind
This is what describes me. Have a look at your strategy for "development"?
You can go fast or slow if you know what you aiming to get, to achieve, to
find, to discover.
You can only find what you know, what you had once isn't it?
Otherwise how will you recognise whether what you find is what you were
seeking.
How will you even conceptualize what you are seeking for?
Recognition can only come if there is first cognition.
So if you had "IT" once and have lost it (and hence the search) then that
"IT" is not worth finding which is "lossable".
For the first prime quality of Truth is that when you find, you are no more,
you have merged with "It".
Where is the you and where is "Truth and where is the seperation.
Not knowing what I seek
I walk with the wind
In zikr
Sandeep
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:59:59 -0500
From: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
To: "MariAna Mikula" <romeATnospamiwaynet.net>
Cc: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re:Bliss
Message-ID: <007b01bd8353$47f4ed40$30175ea0ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu.tc.umn.eduumn.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
-----Original Message-----
From: MariAna Mikula <romeATnospamiwaynet.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 19, 1998 11:36 AM
Subject: Re:Bliss
>I wish I could send my message to the list on the whole. I have never
>done that yet. I am offended with that which was sent here. The
>terminology and the energy that is wasted on 'detail' of the drama of
>written words is, in my truth, not the matter that one should dwell
>upon.
Please forgive me if I misinterpreted what you're saying, but...
Are you saying that the Kundalini Mailing List is filled with people who
talk/write for hours about things that don't matter? Are you saying that
they use words like "enlightenment" and "Kundalini" and "freedom from
suffering" and "karma" and "meditation" and have absolutely no idea what
they're really talking about? Are you saying that the list is filled people
who pretend to be authorities on subjects, when they don't understand even
the basics of that subject?
:)
I think so, too.
But there is a little more to it than that. I sense that you are angry with
the people who are behaving foolishly. I suspect that you feel proud of
Buddhism or whatever it is that they are defiling with their foolishness.
Generally speaking, I do not feel that angry. That is because I tend not to
take attacks against Buddhism and Hinduism personally. (And when I say
"tend" I mean that sometimes I do.) I think that the anger you feel now
could be treated like any other source of suffering and dealt with in the
manner you see fit. When I find myself upset because someone is pretending
to be an authority on a subject which they aren't, I just remind myself that
they are a foolish person and that's what foolish people do. No sense in
being angry because a foolish person is being foolish...
Does that help?
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:09:31 PDT
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re:bliss
Message-ID: <19980519190931.11545.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
Dear Brent,
you write:
I think I've removed aversion to minor burns
SNIP
Can it be that I've found The Way Out? I'm not so sure, as I
explain below.
Susan:
You could speed up the process if you find someone to teach you how to
fire walk. I have walked on burning coals at 1600 degrees
farenheit...just had a little blister that was gone by morning.
An electric coil on a stove burner only gets up to 300.
I wouldnt call it magic or psychic powers. But its amazing the first
time you do it. The second time for me...oh well, ho hum...now what?
I have a friend who has walked on fire for over 30 feet, danced in it,
runs er hands thru it, and has walked hundreds of times in it and has
taught thousands to do also.
Just seems to be a matter of a frame of mind to me.
I also dont think it has anything to do with thinking pure thoughts or
being of good character...you should see the kind of people...all
kinds...who fire walk.
Love,
Susan
______________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:07:08 -0700
From: "Dan Margolis"<Dan_MargolisATnospamabm.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
cc: blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu
Subject: Unidentified subject!
Message-ID: <86256609.0069C2EC.00ATnospaminternet-502.interliant.com>
Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Brent Blalock wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Margolis <Dan_MargolisATnospamabm.com>
To: Brent L Blalock <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>; acarreATnospamconcentric.net
<acarreATnospamconcentric.net>; kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
<kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 19, 1998 10:47 AM
Subject: suffering was Re:Bliss
Someone said:
>Love, Love, Love
>Life, death, life
>It's so wonderfull.
>I can't imagine anything more beautifull.
Then I said:
> What about suffering horribly? Suffering could be the result of
attachment,
> but it exists nonetheless. If it weren't for suffering, I'd agree with
> you most wholeheartedly.
Then Dan said:
> There is no suffering...
> If there is no suffering, then why are we using the word "suffering"?
> Buddhist-types are of the opinion that suffering is a direct result of
> having aversion, delusion, or attachment, most likely a combination of
the
> three. That makes suffering an illusion -- fake and irrational.
> But, even though physical events don't with necessity cause suffering,
> suffering does exist. Beings that are attached to things, deluded, or
> repulsed by things do suffer.
> It could be that, by understanding the causes of suffering and the false
> beliefs and fears that they originate from, suffering could be
eliminated
> from one's life altogether. But does that mean that suffering didn't
exist
> in the first place?
This is a different teaching of Buddha's. One of his earliest teaching
was:
This very existance is suffering
These attachments are the cause of suffering
Releasing attachments is the cessation of suffering
Following the 8-fold path is the path to the cessation of suffering.
A later teaching was:
There is no suffering
There is no cause of suffering
There is no cessation of suffering
There is no path to the cessation of suffering.
They are both the same and different teachings...
Dan M.
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:34:26 EDT
From: kristin <kristinATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: suffering
Message-ID: <b1506632.3561dec3ATnospamaol.com>
The only suffering we have is suffering we cause. We could bring suffering
upon us, or we could bring joy upon us. It is all a state of mind, we bring
upon us what we want, and sometimes that maybe suffering.
Kristin
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:43:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Peter A. Salzman" <psalzmanATnospamwesleyan.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: K and Judaism
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.980519143348.11121A-100000ATnospammail.wesleyan.edu>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
I guess this might be part two of thoughts on Old Testament and Judaic
understandings of K... I am no Rabbi nor claim to be an authority but I
have explored this using the best intuition I could muster... I don't
think that inter-cultural translations should be too easily made. I think
the particularities of the varying grounds where different religions and
prophets and scriptures grew out of are important in their particularity
to the extent that they can help people navigate the territory of common
holy ground in each of their distinct ways... They offer distinct angles
and approaches to that one place that isn't really a place and that cannot
really be approached but is more like trying to find a key to open a door
to get into a room that you are already in... When Jacob is in the desert
walking to the city where he marries Leah and Rachel and walking out of
deep conflict with his brother Esau, walking out of the strife and
entrapment of his cultural conditionings and into the spiritual opening
and manifestation of the 12 tribes of Israel, he lies down and takes a
nap... While asleep he has a vision of a ladder connecting heaven and
earth and God basically blesses him to be open and opening to the infinite
and to the union of the transcendent heavenly presence of God to the
immanent earthly presence of God... Jacob wakes up and says wow! I was
on holy ground and knew it not... And right in there the Bible also says
something about how when Jacob had his vision he was standing outside the
gates of heaven. And the Kabbalists discussed this situation as a
spiritual paradox to keep in our pockets... That sometimes we feel like we
are outside the Gates and knock knock knockin' on heaven's door and that
can be a good thing because are we really prepared to enter and be a guest
in the Garden of Eden? We are more than welcome but there are some
spinning firey swords at the doorway to make us really be sure.... But
other times that outsiderness can be alienation, disconnection,
dehumanization and we need nothing more than to wake up and say wow! I was
on holy ground and knew it not... to be welcomed whole heartedly into the
garden and to feel that presence/
Shechinah is presence, the presence of God... By the mystics Shechinah
is considered to be the feminine and immanent aspect of the divine but
not in a dualistic gendered way. In my experience I have found it
meaninful to equate Shechinah with Kundalini///// The shechinah is
described as God's soul mate in exile... It can be mapped out universally
in terms of our exile from each other and from a feeling of connection
with the One the Only One... or it can be understood individually as exile
from our true selves, self-alienation, inability to experience meaning or
grounding... Babylon, Egypt, Rome can be seen as examples of Empires of
exile where the Israelites are like the Shechinah, alienated from their
source... Thus the song "By the rivers of Babylon, where we sat down, and
there we wept when we remembered Zion, there the wicked carried us away
captivity and required of us a song... But how can we sing the Lord's song
in a strange Land" From Psalm 137. And again lest we see this as just an
ethnocentric ethnic model, this story is astral and spiritually and
politically translatable... Thus in the slave spirituals we hear "Go down
Moses, Way down into Egypt land. Tell Old Pharoe, 'Let My People Go'" and
in the song about Harriet Tubman and the Underground Railroad it says "Who
are those children all dressed in red? Must be the children who Moses led!
And who are those children all dressed in white? Must be the same as the
Israelites!..." And its why we have Bob Marley singing "Exodus... Movement
of Jah People... We know where we're going and we know where we're from...
We're leaving Babylon and going to our Father's Land..." And
this all sounds collective and Mahayanic because it is but these whole
stories of liberation and freedom and movement out of exile and wedding of
the Shechinah and God can and are all played out within every
individual... For the individual practitioner of Judaism there are
Kabbalistic meditations to go through before performing mitzvot (actions
which engender connection and union with the Source)... ANd the meditation
basically says I'm gonna do this thing, whatever it may be, for the sake
of the unification of the Shechinah with the Divine Name Y-H-V-H... That
one aim of the practice is to empty yourself enough to be a vehicle for
that kind of unification... Emptying is about walking out of Egypt, out
of Babylon system and into the Sacred Freedom but in the yearly biblical
cycle of the Torah, the Jews never stop walking... Deuteronomy ends right
at the edge of the Holy Land and then with the New year everything cycles
right back to Breishit, Genesis...
And Exile will not be over untill its cool for everyone... very
mahayanic... Exile will not be over in Jewish understanding untill the
Third Temple is Built in Jerusalem but that can be taken astrally and
un-ethnocentrically as well... Its been about 2000 years since the
destruction of the 2nd Temple in 70 C.E. so this exile has been long...
But there is something different about the Holy Temple to be rebuilt...
That it will be rebuilt not by the hand of humans or by actions based on
any kind of spiritual materialism... And that the temple will be a
universal Temple... King Solomon prophesized that the Third temple would
be a prayer space for all the nations and that within its domain the whole
world could be there in union at the same time... So the Shelter of the
temple is one that is out of space and out of time... But this as well can
be seen spiritually and individually as paradigmatic of Kundalini
processes... That we all have a Holy Temple that we all are Holy Temples
and that well all have a holy of holies which is our sacred center... For
the Temple, the Holy of Holies was an empty space... Prophets would and do
meditate on that empty space for their vision... Our emptiness within is
what leaves room for the speaking silence, in hebrew "CHASHMAL" to come
in... And also as the Holy of Holies is found within the Temple which is
found within the walls of Jerusalem we also have our own Jerusalem...
Yerushalayim in Hebrew can have different kinds of meaningdful
breakdowns... 1st: Ir = City and Shalom = Peace... So Jerusalem is city of
peace... And we hopefully can build that spiritually if not actually
today... Build cities of peace individually and in community with
sangha... 2nd: Yirah = Awareness or Awe and Shalem = Complete... So
Jerusalem is about complete or holistic awareness... So in thickness of
meaning and in cultural and historical inertia of practice, pilgrimage and
prayer to Jerusalem is about building ground to be a sacred and empty
vessel such as the holy of holies for the shechinah to dwell through
cultivation of ever more holistic levels of awareness and through the
conscientious building of cities of peace within and without...
This feels like Kundalini to me even though I haven't met many people who
talk about it on that level... But it does seem to me that the
experiences and changes, physical, emotional, intellectual, and spiritual
that come with Kundalini can be understood as personal manifestations of
these stories and paradigms I have mapped out... Or at least, as I have
found, these Judaic understandings can have power to shine their own
distinctive (and admittedly and thankfully non-exclusive,
non-totalizing, non-dogmatic, and non-literal) light on these processes...
Thoughts?
Love Pete
DISCLAIMER!
Home | Archive Index | Search the archives | Subscribe
K. List FAQ | Kundalini FAQs | Signs and Symptoms | Awakening Experiences | K. list Polls | Member Essays | Meditations | List Topics | Art Gallery | Cybrary | Sitemap | Email the moderators.
symbol.