1998/05/19 04:35
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #379
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 379
Today's Topics:
kundalini [ Faith <faithATnospammail.phoenix.net> ]
Re: Re: Bliss [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Thank you - from Susan Carlson [ divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com (Susan C ]
Re: Re: Re: Bliss [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
an introduction and some questions [ MoonDghtr <MoonDghtrATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Bliss [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: Kundalini Symptom??? [ TAvalon <TAvalonATnospamtexas.net> ]
Re: an introduction and some questio [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: Kundalini Symptom??? [ Melody <melodyATnospampowernet.net> ]
Re: Bliss [ "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Re: Enlightenment (again, sorry!) [ MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com> ]
Gersten Institute (Was Re: Kundalini [ MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Enlightenment (Please don't be s [ "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3 ]
Re: an introduction and some questio [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
On Our Own [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Bless [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Marie Therrien <marietherrienATnospamsprin ]
Re: Bliss [ "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc ]
RE: Ego vs Ego [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
Re: an introduction and some questio [ Vahe Ganapetyan <vaheATnospamarminco.com> ]
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 16:12:52 +0000
From: Faith <faithATnospammail.phoenix.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: kundalini
Message-ID: <35605E04.312ATnospammail.phoenix.net>
Hello,
I am new on this list.I have been reading about your experiences now
it is time to tell you mine oct 20 1991 as i was being baptised
when i was coming up out of the water this wind or spirit went into
my nose from that day on i have not been the same. it taught me how
to discern good from evil, i never had the problems they talk about
i guess because the sprirt taught me how to discern. i had this energy
feeling very strong in my lower stomach,i have been able to see the
heavens with no problems not having to work up to it. i do not have
to do speacial breathing, i do not have to do exercising, i do know
i am not a god. i am a son of god. there is a higher light, i have
seen it. and i worship the higher light which is our father in heaven.
i get these hot flashes but they are caused from other people
praying, and it only occurs during the time they are in prayer.
i have a friend that has went thru the things you all talk about.
and god helped me to show her how to harness it. she is doing great.
praise god only. any comments appreciated.
...................blessings...faith.......YHVH LOVES YOU......
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:22:11 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: Bliss
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At 09:37 18.05.1998. EDT, Harsha wrote:
>In a message dated 5/18/1998, 5:54:57 AM, annfisherATnospamstic.net writes:
>apparently quoting Danijel <<On atmic level, Shiva and Shakti both are made,
>>>completely, of what I could call savikalpa samadhi matter. No way I could
>>>describe that in different terms!>>
>
>Harsha: "Shiva and Shakti are both made of Savikalpa Samadhi Matter!!!???"
>This is an entirely new conception:--)). Does Danijel have any clue as to
>what these terms really mean and how they are used in the classical Yogic and
>Tantric literature.
Danijel has a clue, yes. Danijel also had experiences "classical
literature" describes extremely poorly, actually the theosophycal
literature describes what I experienced most accurately, but even there the
terms aren't well fixed, so I have to invent some of my own. If you were in
savikalpa samadhi, you know the experience. Now, imagine the surroundings
and beings that are _made_ of that, where the light and form aren't just
light and form, but satcitananda, saguna, sarupya.
But poor Harsha hasn't experienced any level above the mental, so he
wouldn't know anything about the causal, let alone the atmic. I know, I did
some tests, you didn't see me there, unlike some other people from this
list. So please, don't be so convinced that you know what I'm talking about
- you did the same thing with Peswani and you didn't have a clue on what he
was saying.
-----
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Date: Mon, 18 May 98 15:17:05 -00700 (PDT)
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:12:23 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Bliss
Message-ID: <786a9512.3560b248ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 5/18/1998, 5:25:50 PM, sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr writes:
<<>In a message dated 5/18/1998, 5:54:57 AM, annfisherATnospamstic.net writes:
>apparently quoting Danijel <<On atmic level, Shiva and Shakti both are made,
>>>completely, of what I could call savikalpa samadhi matter. No way I could
>>>describe that in different terms!>>
>
>Harsha: "Shiva and Shakti are both made of Savikalpa Samadhi Matter!!!???"
>This is an entirely new conception:--)). Does Danijel have any clue as to
>what these terms really mean and how they are used in the classical Yogic and
>Tantric literature.
Danijel: But poor Harsha hasn't experienced any level above the mental, so he
wouldn't know anything about the causal, let alone the atmic. I know, I did
some tests, you didn't see me there, unlike some other people from this
list. So please, don't be so convinced that you know what I'm talking about
- you did the same thing with Peswani and you didn't have a clue on what he
was saying.
>>
Harsha: Danijel, thanks for the smile. The real difficulty you face is that
there are many experienced people on the list who actually know what they are
talking about. No amount of getting upset will change that. You have a gift
for trying to baffle with bullshit. Perhaps that is where your true potential
lies:--). Still, instead of trying to exploit that natural talent, I would
urge you to broaden your horizon. The theosophical terminology is fine. But it
would not hurt to pick up a few basic books on Yoga and go through them
carefully and become familiar with the terminology and the concepts and what
they mean. Your use of basic yogic terms is convoluted and confused. The fact
that you have to talk about your "psychic ability" to cover up your general
ignorance of the subject matter should suggest to you where you need to be
looking and who you need to be testing.
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:19:23 EDT
From: MoonDghtr <MoonDghtrATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: an introduction and some questions
Message-ID: <644b0236.3560b3ecATnospamaol.com>
Allow me to introduce myself...
I have been a lurker for quite a while. I think that my Kundalini was
spontaneously awakened last year in Glacier National Park in Montana. It is
known to the Native Americans that live near there as a place of big medicine.
I felt the bigness of the power there and I have had friends that aren't
interested in spiritual endeavors say the same. While I was there, I was
able to see spiritual entities as what I can only describe as clouds of fog
that were hard to focus on. I absolutely could not eat--food repulsed me.
Upon returning home, my appetite returned to normal, but I could still see
spirits on occasion. About 6 mos later, I began to feel heat where my fifth
eye is (two eyes above the third) and began to see flashes of light before my
eyes occasionally--also heat out of the flat spot on the back of my head (I've
read that the flat spot can be caused by a very active adrenal gland). About
a month ago, I began to generate alot of heat from my back between my shoulder
blades and up to the bottom of my neck. Around that time I subscribed to this
list which I found in an online quest to learn more about K release.
For the last two weeks, I have been grounding as per Mystress' technique.
As a result I have been feeling more heat in my back, my third and fifth eyes,
my crown, and sometimes my heart. Last night I was grounding and felt pain in
my second (emotional) chakra and in the minor chakras to either side of it.
I've known for a long time that I have a block there, so I asked what the pain
was from and to let it go. I repeated this process later in the evening and
asked my unconcious to get rid of the baggage. Then I bathed the area in red
energy with love followed by grounding the energy. The pain went away.
In the middle of the night, I awoke and was gazing upon a black and white
rendition of a solar eclipse which is by my bed. The corona of the sun began
to emanate a bright white light although other parts of the picture did not
glow this way. I simply observed the glowing for what may have been about 15
min or so, but I can't be sure. Then I decided to go back to sleep and turned
on my side to do so. I heard a rattling sound (for lack of a better way to
describe it) that traveled up my spine from the top of my neck into my head
and then, at that same moment, the kitchen light (which is adjacent to my
bedroom) flipped itself on. I pretty much freaked, woke my husband up,
freaked him out too. I got up and unplugged the light so it couldn't do THAT
again. I tried to relax and ground and not be scared, but I couldn't really
shake the fear. As I was lying there, I could feel my third and fifth eye
burning, and instead of the shower of energy coming out of my crown and
raining back down on me as it usually feels, I had what felt like a big flame
sitting just above my head. After about 40 min, I was almost able to fall
asleep (it is now 2 AM) when the phone starts ringing nonstop in an erratic
tempo that neither of us had ever experienced coming from our phone. It
stopped when the machine picked up and no one was there. Not even the normal
dial tone from a hang-up. Well, I thought, so much for sleep now...I kept
the light on and tried to sleep that way :). Didn't work--eventually had to
turn the light off. I did eventually fall asleep, but this fiasco continued
in my sleep! Lights were being turned on and off, the stereo was being turned
on and off and I was trying to yell out NO! STOP IT! My husband woke me up
from my dream because I was really yelling it (I don't typically talk in my
sleep).
Well, that's my weird story up until now. Sorry that this got to be so
lengthy! Has anyone ever had an experience like this? Any advice would be
greatly appreciated!
~~~Judy
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 00:41:06 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Bliss
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>Harsha: Danijel, thanks for the smile. The real difficulty you face is that
>there are many experienced people on the list who actually know what they are
>talking about. No amount of getting upset will change that. You have a gift
>for trying to baffle with bullshit. Perhaps that is where your true potential
>lies:--). Still, instead of trying to exploit that natural talent, I would
>urge you to broaden your horizon. The theosophical terminology is fine.
But it
>would not hurt to pick up a few basic books on Yoga and go through them
>carefully and become familiar with the terminology and the concepts and what
>they mean. Your use of basic yogic terms is convoluted and confused. The fact
>that you have to talk about your "psychic ability" to cover up your general
>ignorance of the subject matter should suggest to you where you need to be
>looking and who you need to be testing.
You're so predictable.
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:43:08 -0500
From: TAvalon <TAvalonATnospamtexas.net>
To: MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com>
CC: blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini Symptom???
Message-ID: <3560B97C.F2AF762EATnospamtexas.net>
The
> point I was trying to make was, many people, including a spiritual
> psychiatrist I've started corresponding w/Dennis Gersten, M.D. (whose
> spiritual leader is Sai Baba) now believe there is NO SUCH THING as mental
> illness--& that m-d, or bipolar illness, IS kundalini! Those "mad genius"
> creative types--including Picasso, Hemingway, Handel, Schubert among many
> others--IMHO all were kundalini awakened, NOT m-d, as reported in a lot of
> psychiatric literature--& unlike us on the k-list, didn't have a
> means/understanding of how to handle that energy positively--Michele
I've meant to mention Dr. Gersten for a few weeks now. I've been reading
his book "Are You Getting Enlightened. or Losing Your Mind?" It's been
very interesting and I like his spiritual/psych bent. I've always been
quite convinced that psychotherapy and spirituality ought to go hand in
hand. I highly recommend his book to all of you, fellow kundalini-ites.
Blessed Be,
Terri Avalon
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:42:43 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: MoonDghtr <MoonDghtrATnospamaol.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: an introduction and some questions
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Hi Judy!
Welcome!
>also heat out of the flat spot on the back of my head
Is that the flat spot at the top of the back? Mine feels like there's a
bump on top and a bump in the back and a flat slanting place between them.
(I've
>read that the flat spot can be caused
Caused? As in early childhood?
> by a very active adrenal gland).
Love,
Ann
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:23:07 -0700
From: Melody <melodyATnospampowernet.net>
To: TAvalon <TAvalonATnospamtexas.net>
CC: MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com>, blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini Symptom???
Message-ID: <3560DEFB.8C481BABATnospampowernet.net>
Does anyone know what Dr. Gersten's webpage url is?
Melody
http://www.powernet.net/~melody
TAvalon wrote:
> The
> > point I was trying to make was, many people, including a spiritual
> > psychiatrist I've started corresponding w/Dennis Gersten, M.D. (whose
> > spiritual leader is Sai Baba) now believe there is NO SUCH THING as mental
> > illness--& that m-d, or bipolar illness, IS kundalini! Those "mad genius"
> > creative types--including Picasso, Hemingway, Handel, Schubert among many
> > others--IMHO all were kundalini awakened, NOT m-d, as reported in a lot of
> > psychiatric literature--& unlike us on the k-list, didn't have a
> > means/understanding of how to handle that energy positively--Michele
>
> I've meant to mention Dr. Gersten for a few weeks now. I've been reading
> his book "Are You Getting Enlightened. or Losing Your Mind?" It's been
> very interesting and I like his spiritual/psych bent. I've always been
> quite convinced that psychotherapy and spirituality ought to go hand in
> hand. I highly recommend his book to all of you, fellow kundalini-ites.
>
> Blessed Be,
>
> Terri Avalon
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:09:30 -0400
From: "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, "Danijel Turina" <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
Subject: Re: Bliss
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Subject: Re: Bliss
Bliss, bliss, bliss
Thank you, thank you. thank you
:You're so predictable.
Antoine
Love, Love, Love
Life, death, life
It's so wonderfull.
I can't imagine anything more beautifull.
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:32:16 EDT
From: MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com>
To: DruoutATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment (again, sorry!)
Message-ID: <fa211013.3560fd42ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-18 13:49:26 EDT, you write:
<< Any comments? >>
Hi Hillary,
They just closed the FOURTH Baskin-Robbins in a month in Denver recently. I
have more important things to worry about--Michele
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:49:12 EDT
From: MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com>
To: melodyATnospampowernet.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Gersten Institute (Was Re: Kundalini Symptom???)
Message-ID: <fa21101a.35610139ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-18 21:30:06 EDT, you write:
<< Does anyone know what Dr. Gersten's webpage url is?
Melody
Below is the address of the Gersten Institute--Michele
http://www.imagerynet.com/
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 10:14:14 +0530
From: "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in>
To: "Biharilal Shah" <kunastroATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Enlightenment (Please don't be sorry!)
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>>Biharilal:
>>When you are doubtless about unknown or say when you have no questions
>about unknown to be solved,you are in one way enlightened.
>>
"You are in one way enlightened"
In the state of enlightenment if the "you" remains, then is it enlightenment
or delusion?
I wonder
Sandeep
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:13:14 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: MoonDghtr <MoonDghtrATnospamaol.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, morganaATnospambest.com
Subject: Re: an introduction and some questions
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At 06:19 PM 18/05/98 EDT, MoonDghtr wrote:
>Allow me to introduce myself...
> I have been a lurker for quite a while. I think that my Kundalini was
>spontaneously awakened last year in Glacier National Park in Montana. It is
>known to the Native Americans that live near there as a place of big
medicine.
>I felt the bigness of the power there and I have had friends that aren't
>interested in spiritual endeavors say the same.
The Canadian side is called Waterton National Park.. I was there 10 years
ago for a friend's wedding.. it is a beautiful, magical place.
> While I was there, I was
>able to see spiritual entities as what I can only describe as clouds of fog
>that were hard to focus on.
"The Fog" is a thread that has not come up in quite a while.. but many
folks including myself have noticed sometimes that a room may look like a
thin blue fog has descended into it.. I tended to notice it indoors... I
probably thought it was real fog when I was outdoors.. LOL! I did associate
it with spiritual presences.. but it tended to be a room, rather than an
area.
<...> Around that time I subscribed to this
>list which I found in an online quest to learn more about K release.
Welcome lurker.. glad to meet you.
> For the last two weeks, I have been grounding as per Mystress' technique.
Yay! Glad ya like it..:)
<...> I heard a rattling sound (for lack of a better way to
>describe it) that traveled up my spine from the top of my neck into my head
>and then, at that same moment, the kitchen light (which is adjacent to my
>bedroom) flipped itself on. I pretty much freaked, woke my husband up,
>freaked him out too.
Sounds pretty crazy.. well, either you twigged to a psychometric ability
which you will need to control, or you are having entity visitations.
The former is not so unusual with K... but it is most often seen as a
poltergeist phenomena that is unconsciously coming from psychic children.
Our wise witch Morgana had this effect happening very uncontrollably as a
teenager, and later in life with electronics. She is very busy these days
and mostly lurks, but try posting her directly about it..
<morgana-best.com> I would also advise that you ground and query your inner
voice about it.. perhaps ask if it is possible that the energy be
redirected in a way that you do not find so upsetting.. do realize that
Goddess has it handled, tho, and usually fears are to be released or
overcome. The phenomena is coming from your K., so trust it.
Entity visitations are not uncommon with Kundalites either... K-fired
folks show up in the astral like lighthouses and Ghosties are drawn like
moths.. if they can tell that you can perceive them, they can become a
nuisance trying to get you involved in their long-dead issues. Ever see the
movie, "Ghost"?
However, there are some "territory" rules that your Guardian Angels will
enforce for you if you ask them to.. or I can send you a copy of my "house
spell".. it is a visualization similar to the grounding that clears the
space and creates a boundary keeping unwelcome entities out.
I get called to do a lot of work cleaning up the stuck spooks. (rescues)
Of a recent experience I am feeling inspired/compulsed to write an essay on
the link between Ancestor worship and worldwide Aboriginal suicide rates.
...but I don't let them invade my privacy in my house.
> I got up and unplugged the light so it couldn't do THAT
>again. I tried to relax and ground and not be scared, but I couldn't really
>shake the fear.
Tough to ground sometimes when you are scared. But, help is always around
waiting to be called upon.. you are never alone. Get an image of your
favorite Guru and/or Deity and keep it around to call on when you are
having trouble on your own.
Hey, you can even call on my higher self for help.. it seems to go around
doing stuff like that without me.. :) Blessed be.. Glad to be of service..
LOL!
The important thing is for you to choose whatever you have the most faith
in.
>As I was lying there, I could feel my third and fifth eye
>burning, and instead of the shower of energy coming out of my crown and
>raining back down on me as it usually feels, I had what felt like a big flame
>sitting just above my head.
> ~~~Judy
Well, that might be your answer right there.. the descent of the Holy
spirit is described as a tongue of fire that floats over yer head. So you
are in good company, I guess.. ;) You do a have a chakra that floats over
your head, too, by the way.. possibly several.
Have fun.. Blessings, Mystress.
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 02:58:22 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, Damaris <dserateATnospamtelrepcosvc.com>
Subject: On Our Own
Message-ID: <35612D8E.7403BBEATnospammail.snet.net>
On Our Own
You will keep losing nothing
While you cherish it.
If you want it;
It will just slip away.
It's like an itch.
(what's it take to scratch it?)
I'd give everything I got.
To not want a single thing more.
Would you?
What could we come up with together?
The only power I know
Lies in our togetherness.
I thought I'd make it on my own.
Should I laugh or cry at such a thought?
Just as long as you laugh or cry with me...
I think we'll be okay.
(PEACE)
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 23:12:53 +0100
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Bless
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>But poor Harsha hasn't experienced any level above the mental, so he
>wouldn't know anything about the causal, let alone the atmic. I know, I did
>some tests, you didn't see me there, unlike some other people from this
>list. So please, don't be so convinced that you know what I'm talking about
>- you did the same thing with Peswani and you didn't have a clue on what he
>was saying.
Oh Lord,
Please allow me to not have a clue.
Keep me in ignorance of such great advancement.
Allow me the poverty of Harsha.
Keep me from passing tests.
Most of all allow me to be as arrogant as possible.
Your Humble Bumble
Lobster
failing every test ever devised
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 21:59:23 -1000 (HST)
From: Marie Therrien <marietherrienATnospamsprint.ca>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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The first time I experienced love in ways of electrical impulse, trembling, voice, ect.. it all started when sleeping I felt drifting into a feeling of being awake but my body paralyzed. I was trying to wake up, to move my head from right to left but I was succeeding by a OBE (I didn't know what was happening to me so I start reading books on shamanism ect.). Those experiences started at the age of maybe 9 years old and finally 2 years ago when it was happening I heard that voice saying "Why don't you try?" so I just let go myself without tring to wake up after few seconds I heard a click sounds and then experience a presence so peaceful that I fall in love with him. My last experience is about 2 months ago. My life changed, I am more happy and conscious of the eternal love. I wish I could experience hi m every night when I go to bed. My experiences are never the same I will like to know the reason I got that blessing. I am happy to be able to talk about it to someone w!
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ho has experience it. I never talked about it to my doctor sometimes I was asking question on electrical impulse but I realised soon that I should be keeping quiet. I never meditate before. I just don't have the will to sit there and meditate.
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 05:47:16 -0500
From: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
To: "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
Cc: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Bliss
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From: Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
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Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
Date: Monday, May 18, 1998 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: Bliss
>Subject: Re: Bliss
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>Bliss, bliss, bliss
>
>Thank you, thank you. thank you
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>:You're so predictable.
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>Antoine
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>Love, Love, Love
>Life, death, life
>It's so wonderfull.
>I can't imagine anything more beautifull.
What about suffering horribly? Suffering could be the result of attachment,
but it exists nonetheless. If it weren't for suffering, I'd agree with you
most wholeheartedly.
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:17:46 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: "Druout" <DruoutATnospamaol.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Ego vs Ego
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Hillary wrote:
> Do you think "phases" are too individual to list, or would you
> care to help
> out those who don't know what's coming next!
>
Dear Hillary,
A proper answer to your question is more difficult than you think, so I'll
start with an analogy. Children are very different in interests, skills,
opinions etc., but in school, all get the same training. So they leave
school with the same training but the differences remain or even get bigger.
The "school of Life" doesn't work this way. What comes out of it is
identical in Being and on the human plane they (the graduates) relate to
each other as brothers and sisters (they have become very similar). So the
training for each individual has to be different. As a consequence, the K.
experiences of each individual will vary a lot and even the order of
succession doesn't have to be the same. However, there are a few events that
are the same for everyone, like untying the knots in several chakras and
finally, perceiving the divine sound OM. Most lights and visions will vary
greatly and so will several subtle sounds. In my practice, the majority of
these phenomena served only one purpose: to keep me hooked on
meditation/concentration. By focusing all attention to the phenomenon that
K. produces, thoughts will cease without effort (if thoughts remain,
attention is partial) and in time one will become aware of even subtle
changes of prana-currents in the nadis. The reason, that phases often are
related to perceptions, is the impossibility to describe the subjective
experience, implying that it is impossible to desire a (change of) phase
too. It is only possible to have a desire for the taste of a vsd-fruit if
you know it already - if not, the desire is meaningless or just crazy (if
the fruit turns out bitter and poisonous). So knowing the phases in advance
would not at all be beneficial. It would lead to impatience,
conceptualization and speculation about events somewhere in the future,
distracting from one's practice in the "here and now".
Jan
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:55:34 +0400
From: Vahe Ganapetyan <vaheATnospamarminco.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: an introduction and some questions
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>>also heat out of the flat spot on the back of my head
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>Is that the flat spot at the top of the back? Mine feels like there's a
>bump on top and a bump in the back and a flat slanting place between them.
I have read somewhere that the flat spot on the back of one's head is a
mark of belonging to an Arian race
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