1998/05/16 22:53
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #375
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 375
Today's Topics:
Re: About priorities [ Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Milarepa and pranayama? [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Re: Kumbhaka (was RE: Milarepa and p [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Dormant? [ Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Questions [ Melody <melodyATnospampowernet.net> ]
Re: Dormant? [ Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com> ]
Kundalini Symptom??? [ MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: About priorities [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: About priorities [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Re: Dormant? [ WEIVODA <WEIVODAATnospamaol.com> ]
Bliss [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
Ego vs Ego [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
Re: Bliss [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: Ego vs Ego [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: About priorities [ MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Ego vs Ego [ Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com> ]
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 11:55:45 EDT
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: About priorities
Message-ID: <7086903c.355db703ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 5/16/98 5:59:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr writes:
....Those who are in no hurry never get there. :)
"Never rush" would be an interesting advice to give to Paramahamsa
Ramakrsna, when he took a knife to kill himself because he couldn't live
without his beloved Goddess anymore. Those who take their time never find
God. Only those who can no longer wait, find Him.
I am such a procrastinator and cannot always keep my mind focused on
completing tasks or goals.... if I had waited on myself and went my usual ways
to *find God*, I wouldn't have made it -- I'd of lost interest real quick.
I found what I was looking for by going my usual route -- wait until the last
minute, go full force, running around like a madwoman to get it all done
before the deadline, and when done, look a wee bit harried and exhausted,
resting now completely, for a job well done, in the arms of God.
xxxtg
* You work so hard peddling up the hill that you hate to brake on the way down
*
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 08:57:52 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: Melody <melodyATnospampowernet.net>
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Milarepa and pranayama?
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You are most welcome! I had fun writing it.. I go off into a state when I
write that stuff..
The fire feels good, eh? Shakti speaks!! You might notice sometimes
certain thoughts send goose bumps.. good music, good poetry... this is also
a confirmation.. body is wiser than brain.
At 09:14 PM 15/05/98 -0700, Melody wrote:
>Thank you, Mystress Angelique. I agree. And as I read this message of yours I
>felt a fire stirring at the base of my spine.
>Melody
>
>Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:..(10k snipped)
Just to be List Mystress for a moment tho.. reposting all 10k of my
message with your response was probably unnecessary.. I imag9ne everybody
who was interested read it yesterday.. so snip snip snip next time, OK?
Blessings to you and your path.. Mystress.
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
-- Harry Emerson Fosdick
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 13:32:12 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu, Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Kumbhaka (was RE: Milarepa and pranayama?)
Message-ID: <5bdaf95b.355dcd9dATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 5/15/1998, 2:26:52 PM, keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu writes:
So a few questions:
1) Does the subjective experience of suspension really entail
stopping breath. Many times it feels like the breath has stopped - the
attention is absorbed elsewhere - but if you put your hand under your
nose you feel a little gentle flow. And if there are all these prolonged
breath suspensions out there - where are the studies? Kaivalya Yoga
Center published articles on yoga for over 20 years and they were the
ones who debunked the yogi in a coffin scenario. I've mentioned the
results of ``scholarly'' scientific journals that I have found.
(Incidentally, Harsha's 3 minutes seems quite feasible to me- I just
haven't seen it mirrored in a scientific study - maybe it's waiting out
there for me)
Harsha: Sahita Kumbhaka *does* really entail stopping the breath or complete
suspension. This is, however, proceeded first by a lengthy sequence of special
exercises. Only then you inhale and simply hold when the lungs are full
(without application of Bandhas at this stage). This "Act" can be observed
clearly by those who are watching. The fact that the breath is being held
should easily be measurable by sensitive lab instruments. In Sahita Kumbhaka,
the length of retention can be gradually increased to 3 minutes and much
beyond. This is a very complex subject matter, which cannot be done justice
here. There are not many good books on it other than the ones I have
mentioned. Although most yoga masters and yoga schools teach "advanced
pranayama", it seems that very few individuals have extensive practical
experience in long term breath retention (including the so called Yoga
Masters). In Kevala Kumbhaka, on the other hand, the breath appears to have
stopped, but at a subtle level it continues. One might be in a Samadhi or
having a Superconscious experience at this point. The body gets the oxygen it
needs. Kevela Kumbhaka is enough by itself to awaken the Kundalini Shakti. No
Bandhas come into play here. Kevala Kumbhaka can occur in meditation or
through "special gentle breathing" which does not require retention.
Kurt: 2) Is retention really the thing? Over time I focused more and more
on the union of the prana and apana - this is what led most to results
in awakening kundalini for me. The results studying the tummo
practitioners would support this I think.
Harsha: Different traditions emphasize different techniques for a variety of
reasons. Pranayama can be practiced with or without breath retention.
Kundalini awakening and spiritual realization do not depend on conscious
breath retention. Even pure meditation by itself is enough. People should
practice those techniques which are comfortable and which give them the
results that they want.
Kurt: 3)And what about the role of heat in kundalini - many people here
report increased heat - any quantification out there?
Harsha: Psychic heat and physical heat can be produced by many meditation and
pranayama techniques. Aiming pranic currents at the Kundalini is helpful in
awakening it. Some manifestations of the Kundalini, particularly in the
beginning are "heat" producing but others are not. It also depends on the
technique being used. As an aspirant matures in his/her practice, there may be
no heat at all associated with Kundalini manifestations and spiritual
experiences. Again, I am not aware of any scientific literature on the topic
but am speaking purely from my own experience..
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 13:52:41 EDT
From: Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com>
To: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Dormant?
Message-ID: <905ba9ec.355dd26aATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-15 17:11:26 EDT, ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com writes:
<< Only to find that when my kundalini became dormant, the heat stopped
too. snip. This
heat thing went on during the duration that my K was active -- approximately
1-l/2 to 2 years.
>>
Dear tg,
Does your K come and go? What about others?
Love, Hillary
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 12:34:22 -0700
From: Melody <melodyATnospampowernet.net>
To: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
CC: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Questions
Message-ID: <355DEA3D.E72844CDATnospampowernet.net>
Anurag Goel wrote:
> Hi melody,
> It really surprises me that you want to know all aboutt
> integration of conscious with unconscious and you don't
> necessarily want to experience it.
> love,
> anurag
>
Anurag,
I didn't explain myself well. I DO want to experience it, of course! That is what
my website is all about, actually...I just don't want to experience affective
spiritual pleasure for the *sake of pleasure itself * - as an end. Pleasure and
integration is only a result, a side effect, of the path to Surrender, IMO.
Melody
http://www.powernet.net/~melody
Holistic Theory and Reverse Speech - The Voice of the Unconscious and of the Soul
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 16:56:11 EDT
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: DruoutATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Dormant?
Message-ID: <18f8f38e.355dfd6dATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 5/16/98 1:52:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Druout writes:
<< Does your K come and go?
Only if I activate it via a discipline of meditation and/or study. During
that year and a half or two, it was active all the time with or without
meditation..... when I added meditation while active, it would (blow out my
crown chakra?) within a few weeks - happened 3 times (well, the first time
took two months).... and I spent the next year just working on grounding it,
doing absolutely nothing in the way of meditation or anything metaphysical.
Then spent the year after that alone in the mountains, swinging from my front
porch most the time, doing quiet things, allowing myself to heal from what I
did not understand at the time. You have to remember though, that when I
decided to discipline myself, I went full force - doing each and every thing
possible to reach the unreachable star - there was nothing or no one that
could stop me doing everything necessary to reach my goal. I took the saying
"Seek ye first the Kingdom of God' literally. I didn't know what the heck it
meant, but I was willing to find out. That seemed to me at the time, to be
such a powerful statement -- to do that above all else before anything else.
xxxtg
* To be, or not to be, those are the boundaries *
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 17:13:22 EDT
From: MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com>
To: blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Kundalini Symptom???
Message-ID: <f234a218.355e0173ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-16 04:23:47 EDT, you write:
<< "an intense libidinous source of energy", and that phrase applies to what
I've
experienced. Does part of your experience sound like mine? It might be
Kundalini at work. >>
Michele: In the psychiatric literature, that is a symptom of manic-
depression. However, in Darrell Irving's "Serpent of Fire," that is a symptom
of kundalini. BTW, Irving also says that both manic-depression AND
schizophrenia psychosis ARE kundalini symptoms that can be observed--and
overcome. A very validating book for those who have been saddled w/the label
"mentally ill."
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 17:30:46 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: About priorities
Message-ID: <7c654718.355e0587ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 5/16/1998 2:59:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr writes:
<< Those who are in no hurry never get there. :)
"Never rush" would be an interesting advice to give to Paramahamsa
Ramakrsna, when he took a knife to kill himself because he couldn't live
without his beloved Goddess anymore. Those who take their time never find
God. Only those who can no longer wait, find Him. >>
Harsha: This is a good example of how the names of great saints can be evoked
and the "right stories" can be told to make the wrong point. One should
certainly long for knowing Self or God or Reality. However, this does not
require that one act in an imbalanced or an immature way. That will not help.
There is no point in trying to emulate a Saint's behavior. One should always
be one self. Too much intensity of effort itself can ultimately be a mental
obstacle. That point is implicit in what David and TG said and reflects
wisdom. It is true that to Realize, one has to give up even the desire for
Realization and simply Be.
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 15:10:43 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: About priorities
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At 11:55 AM 16/05/98 EDT, Imtgxxx wrote:
>I am such a procrastinator and cannot always keep my mind focused on
>completing tasks or goals.... if I had waited on myself and went my usual
ways
>to *find God*, I wouldn't have made it -- I'd of lost interest real quick.
LOL! YES! "Life is what happens while we are busy making other plans".
ADD means I always have more creative ideas plans or schemes that I could
possibly accomplish. So I pick the most blissful.
One of my fave authors is Stuart Wilde. He sez.. "Life is not meant to be
a struggle.. if you are struggling you are off your path." He recommends
seeking the paths of least resistance to go with the flow.. if it ain't
flowing, it needs a change. All that in a tiny thin book 3 inches square..
amazing.
He is on the web now, too..:)
Blessings, A.
>
>
>
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 18:39:26 EDT
From: WEIVODA <WEIVODAATnospamaol.com>
To: DruoutATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Dormant?
Message-ID: <ca07dda7.355e159fATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-16 13:53:29 EDT, you write:
<< Dear tg,
Does your K come and go? What about others?
Love, Hillary >>
My K, never really seems to come and go. It seems like I have it at all times,
sometimes stronger than other times, but always there. The heat for me will
come and go, but the tingling and other things are always there.
Kristin
Date: 17 May 98 02:04:50 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Bliss
Message-Id: <355E45C2.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hi.
For the first time in my life I have some kind of a meaning that I can
attribute to the word bliss, and my ego is about to commit a gross
injustice in trying to describe it.
I sat in the dark with headphones on listening to a heavenly piece of
classical music. I have a very bad cold at the moment and have been
feeling quite a humility as if often the case when I am ill. I looked
into the darkness and tried to make my intellect die, and to love what
was before me. I started to turn inwards, away from the outer world,
away even from the physical body. The music was inspiring, I must add.
It was like something angels would sing.
I let myself love and I found a place, a state of mind, which kind of
came to me suddenly like a small door opening onto a large expanse. It
was quiet, so completely quiet, silent even. I have never experienced
such immense quiet in all my life. I was aware, it was dark, and it
was only what was - not the ego I but just the awareness. It was
sacred. It is like nothing I can every possibly conceive with my
intellect or imagination. A totally different quality, a beauty unlike
any that meets my eyes in the everyday world.
My body was not important, it was not me. My mind quietened and had
close to no thought. Stillness, just complete stillness. It took no
time for me to know it was a most blissful state of _being_, unlike
any I have had in my life. Like something you had lost and forgot even
what it was like - that I had forgotten the memory itself.
This lasted for a few minutes but I really had to work at loving
because it was not easy. My ego and self kept interfering and flaring.
I saw it, like something seperate, hellish, completely childish. I
compared gently, not with thought but with observation alone, just by
being there, the supposed reality of the ego-self. What complete
absurdity. What total misleadment. The bliss is nothing like it at
all.
Freedom from everything, absolutely everything. Like being asleep but
while being awake. Nothing could touch it, thought couldn't come
close, like it was an infinity's distance away. Further than that
even, it just didn't exist. So deeply personal, so alone, such
acceptance, so /spiritual/ like nothing I have ever thought
spirituality was.
Bliss, bliss, bliss. That's what it was. That's the only way I can say
it. Somehow it still is, always, even though my ego is now flared to
the size of a mountain. So completely personal, just me, only me, on
my own, no second identity, nothing to happen forever. The utter
childishness of identity and the `outer world' just put to sleep, just
not important at all. The physical world, completely unnecessary. What
is it all for? It has no meaning, no purpose. It's just extraneous,
baggage, illusion. How much time it takes from us, and how much it
locks us in time. And for what? Nothing. Absolutely nothing
worthwhile. It will all, all just come and go. What will be left?
It seems that Sai Baba is right. That bliss, that is him. It's me. The
real me. Standing alone, untouchable, completely finished with
every earthly attatchment. Dead, yet alive. Always was, always will
be. This is going to turn my whole life upside down!
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: 17 May 98 02:52:04 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Ego vs Ego
Message-Id: <355E4F8E.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hello.
I have been wondering lately what can be done to quiten my ego. I am
wondering what the effect would be of turning the ego against itself.
A few years ago I had a small theory, and only a theory, that
deception could cancel itself out by deceiving itself. But this theory
might be useful in practice. I have been reading of Sai Baba just
lately and I notice the way he uses his miracles to give a person what
they need, and that in so freely giving a person what they need even
if it is ego-driven, and to give it with such sense and so actually,
it kind of makes the person realise - to shed light on it this thing
they are doing with their selfishness. I have read also of something
Jesus said about that he was the devil and that he would turn the
devil against the devil in order to overcome it or something.
I am wondering then what would happen if ego were to turn on itself.
What if I were to start saying to myself that I have a really big ego,
and allow myself to excite about it being so huge and so selfish. What
if I indeed try and /help/ it to be what it wants. You know, like when
a person is a bully they will pick on easy enough targets but when
faced with someone bigger they kind of wise-up and don't want to hit
that person. I wonder if ego is the same, or if indeed that is
ego-based. What if I were to lead my ego instead of follow it? What if
I were to affirm regularly that it was extremely large, that I am
being extremely egotistical - to meet the requirement, to satisfy it,
would that level it out, make it quiet, still, non-existent? Would
deceiving the deceit like that bring about a cancellation, a negation,
an inversion and a liberation?
What if I say to my ego that it can have everything it wants and more.
What if I actively participate in forming a relationship with it, to
help it perform better. What if I love it? Does that not cancel the
ego? It strives for seperation, so what is the effect of trying to
merge with it, to provide for it abundantly? Would this somehow reveal
the other side of the ego's coin? You know, that on the one hand it
wants to increase something but on the other hand it wants to decrease
something. Giving it what it wants to increase might make it aware of
the fact that it is also wanting to decrease that thing. Would that
make it reject itself? Would that liberate me from my great egotism?
Most of the time I am wondering how I can become more confident, as I
feel kind of unconfident and small. This is ego. I think that in
truth, in reality, I am /over/confident, and that this is egotism.
This is what I did just earlier tonight - told myself that I had more
confidence than was actually necessary - shocked myself into seeing
that it wasn't that I couldn't handle the task, but that I handled it
too well. And this kind of shut my ego off. Switched it off. Made me
feel very innocent and quiet. Why does ego always state that it is
small and unconfident, when in fact the reverse is also true? It's so
two-faced. Seeing this led me to a bliss the likes of which the little
scared ego could never imagine. So I continue to wonder, what happens
if you give the ego what it wants? Or even moreso, what if you give it
more than it wants - more than is necessary - which after all is what
it's asking for, isn't it?
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:16:50 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Bliss
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Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>I let myself love and I found a place, a state of mind, which kind of
>came to me suddenly like a small door opening onto a large expanse. It
>was quiet, so completely quiet, silent even. I have never experienced
>such immense quiet in all my life. I was aware, it was dark, and it
>was only what was - not the ego I but just the awareness. It was
>sacred. It is like nothing I can every possibly conceive with my
>intellect or imagination. A totally different quality, a beauty unlike
>any that meets my eyes in the everyday world.
>
>My body was not important, it was not me. My mind quietened and had
>close to no thought. Stillness, just complete stillness.
>
>Freedom from everything, absolutely everything. Like being asleep but
>while being awake. Nothing could touch it, thought couldn't come
>close, like it was an infinity's distance away. Further than that
>even, it just didn't exist. So deeply personal, so alone, such
>acceptance, so /spiritual/ like nothing I have ever thought
>spirituality was.
Paul, this is wonderful! You've been in a higher plane (state of
consciousness), one that's high enough that emotions and thinking, all the
lower-self stuff, aren't there. Just you, without all that.
>Bliss, bliss, bliss. That's what it was. That's the only way I can say
>it. Somehow it still is, always,
Now you know. You know about that plane, you know you exist there in bliss,
so "it still is, always." Now you can practice going back there and
learning to stay for longer periods of time.
>This lasted for a few minutes but I really had to work at loving
>because it was not easy. My ego and self kept interfering and flaring.
>I saw it, like something seperate, hellish, completely childish.
You probably were slipping, so then you got partly into a lower state where
you perceived lower-self stuff.
>I
>compared gently, not with thought but with observation alone, just by
>being there, the supposed reality of the ego-self. What complete
>absurdity. What total misleadment. The bliss is nothing like it at
>all.
But you were able to hold steady, keep your detachment, and see both at once.
You don't have to kill the mind or the emotions. Just rise up higher above
them, so they are going on way down below you, where you don't have to
notice them. Withdraw your attention from that lower stuff and focus your
attention where you want it.
A good tool for rising higher is to decide on a symbol of joy - some face,
scene, piece of music, something that brings pure joy to you. Joy is more
than an emotion, it's a soul/spirit quality. So when you picture or hear
your joy symbol, you'll rise higher, away from emotions and intellect. If
that bliss you found is what means joy to you, maybe you can use that.
As for the ego, there are methods (I recommend up-stream kriya) for getting
rid of the "false ego," all the junk that you think is you and think you
can't possibly live without, the mud hiding the glory. Get rid of that,
and you'll have a clean, clear ego, which is an instrument for
manifestation in this world.
>The utter
>childishness of identity and the `outer world' just put to sleep, just
>not important at all. The physical world, completely unnecessary. What
>is it all for? It has no meaning, no purpose. It's just extraneous,
>baggage, illusion. How much time it takes from us, and how much it
>locks us in time. And for what? Nothing. Absolutely nothing
>worthwhile.
Take some more time to think about this one. You must have come into
incarnation in this world for a reason, a purpose. Maybe now it will be
easier to understand what that purpose is.
>It seems that Sai Baba is right. That bliss, that is him. It's me. The
>real me.
Yes, both, one.
>Standing alone, untouchable, completely finished with
>every earthly attatchment. Dead, yet alive. Always was, always will
>be. This is going to turn my whole life upside down!
Yes, it's going to illuminate it!!
Love,
Ann
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 22:30:21 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Ego vs Ego
Message-ID: <355E4BBD.62AC9F49ATnospammail.snet.net>
Paul West wrote:
> I have been wondering lately what can be done to quiten my ego.
Stop wondering what can be done to silence ego.
> I am
> wondering what the effect would be of turning the ego against itself.
Madness is like a toy.
> Jesus said about that he was the devil
If he did, he would be saying he is nothing.
> and that he would turn the
> devil against the devil in order to overcome it or something.
The world, made to hide the error of believing we escaped God,through the
eyes of Spirit,
becomes a tool, a blessing, a healing
in awakening.
This is a simple shift in how we choose to perceive.
Nothing more.
> What if
> I were to affirm regularly that it was extremely large,
To affirm ego is anything is to breathe power into it.
> Most of the time I am wondering how I can become more confident, as I
> feel kind of unconfident and small. This is ego. I think that in
> truth, in reality, I am /over/confident, and that this is egotism.
Overconfidence is pretend confidence to cover up the feeling of being
deprived.
Ego would love for you to try to figure it out for all eternity because it
knows
this cannot be done.
But children tire of toys and move on...
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 23:28:24 EDT
From: MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: About priorities
Message-ID: <c0965004.355e5959ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-16 18:12:13 EDT, serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com writes:
<< One of my fave authors is Stuart Wilde. He sez.. "Life is not meant to be
a struggle.. if you are struggling you are off your path." He recommends
seeking the paths of least resistance to go with the flow.. if it ain't
flowing, it needs a change. All that in a tiny thin book 3 inches square.. >>
Michele: Very similar to another thin book, Deepak Chopra's "Seven Spiritual
Laws of Success"--only he calls it the Law of Least Effort. Works for me!
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:04:59 EDT
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Ego vs Ego
Message-ID: <e0fbc30f.355e61efATnospamaol.com>
paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk writes:
<< I have been wondering lately what can be done to quiten my ego. I am
wondering what the effect would be of turning the ego against itself. (big
snip)>>
Your pondering questions were excellent Paul, but to contemplate on ego, you
might as well hammer your foot to the floor and start pacing.
Wish I had your answers, but you cannot find Truth in what is not real. You
can find what you *think* is truth and accept that, but you would be limiting
yourSelf.
xxxtg
* Don't force it -- get a bigger hammer *
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