1998/05/16 08:57
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #374
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 374
Today's Topics:
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Duke Phillips <dakotaATnospamcet.com> ]
Re: Milarepa and pranayama? [ Melody <melodyATnospampowernet.net> ]
The Compleat Technical Guide to Kund [ MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Milarepa and pranayama? [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Pain/pleasure [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Questions [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc ]
About priorities [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
RE: Kumbhaka (was RE: Milarepa and p [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
Do you accept this? [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: Do you accept this? [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Pamela Wright <Pam.CarolATnospamaloha.net> ]
Talking of fish . . . [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
Re: Do you accept this? [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: Do you accept this? [ Chris Hughes <aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co. ]
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:17:10 -1000 (HST)
From: Duke Phillips <dakotaATnospamcet.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-Id: <199805160417.SAA01019ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>
A few nights ago, while meditating, I all of a sudden experienced a surge of electricity going through my entire body. I was able to open an eyelid after about 15 seconds of effort. I may have also experienced this a night or two prior also, but just not as intense. I've had several 'unique' experiences the past three years, but this was something new and powerful. I had no feelings with this, such as intense love. I was alert the whole time and able to think and analize this as it happened. I now assume this is kundalini energy.
A few years ago, after getting some healing from a psychic, I began to get vibrations in my temples and sixth chakra. Sometimes they can be pretty intense. I have also felt energy in my right palm, lower legs (surface), penis, over my heart (which reminded me of a very small tornado), throat, and the top of my head. I also experience a lot of energy in my hands. Once, in the middle of my sleep last Sept. ('97) I awoke to my entire body vibrating for about 10 seconds. Lately, my feet have been hurting a lot (which I thought was because of my weight-248lbs) and I have a hard time remembering a sentence a minute after I've read it (which I chocked up to old age at 43). Also, the bottom has dropped out of my sex drive, which I also thought could be because I'm no spring chicken anymore, hummm.....
Last summer I had NO ambition, not to do a garden as usual, or even to mow the lawn. This year it seems everything is changing. I've mowed my acre twice in the past two weeks by hand and am planting a large garden and planting a lot of trees.
Does any of this sound like kundalini energy? I would appreciate any input.
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 21:14:30 -0700
From: Melody <melodyATnospampowernet.net>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>,
Kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Milarepa and pranayama?
Message-ID: <355D12A5.781478D6ATnospampowernet.net>
Thank you, Mystress Angelique. I agree. And as I read this message of yours I
felt a fire stirring at the base of my spine.
Melody
Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> Melody wrote:
> > << What is Shakti? Is it some kind of magic? Because when I was
> >reading the Grounding Exercise written by the Mystress, my cursor and
> >the bar on the right side of the web page was acting very strange; going
> >down all by itself, almost; as if magic, and she said that her shakti
> >worked even over the Internet. >>
> >
> At 06:18 PM 14/05/98 -0400, Mike Stickles wrote:
> >I'll second what Danijel said - while on the Internet I've had the
> >browser page scroll on me for no reason several times, <..> That's not to
> say it
> >couldn't be Mystress' Shakti, but there are more "mundane" explanations
> >possible.
>
> Yesssssssssss...
> There are always "mundane" explanations.. Ego logic can invent "reasons"
> endlessly.. but it is not necessarily in the best interests of faith and
> growth to do so.
> Was it not Danijel who had to "eat crow" after insisting that
> streetlights going out when Kundalites walked under them had nothing to do
> with K.? Some explanation about faulty light sensors.. but many
> streetlights worldwide are on timers, not light sensors, and they still go
> out on K-folks. A minor miracle, but I have yet to see a "logical"
> explanation that fully covers it's mystery. "more things in heaven and
> Earth, than are dreamt of in your philosophy", as the infinity of Monkeys
> told Shakespeare... :D
>
> There are no "embedded bit maps" on the grounding site.. I've never heard
> of a browser that can read a bit map file.. all I use are .jpg and .gif
> files, Internet standard. The website is of the simplest HTML, coz that's
> all I know... universally compatable. Not necessarily error free, but html
> programming errors do not usually produce such spectacular effects.
>
> That is not to say it was not a computer error, certainly it may have
> been, and one can always point to such "meaningless" explanations for any
> event.. but the truth of the Magic in the world is that there are no
> accidents.. so such animal as coincidence.. what is outside of us is inside
> of us, and it is all manifested of thought and intention.
> To my mind, encouraging novice Kundalites to ignore the signposts of
> synchronicity and co-incidents in favor of hiding in the endless "reasons"
> of ego logic, is really Baaaaad advice. Certainly the opposite also
> happens.. folks apply superstition where reason is a better fit.. but even
> reasonable events have magic in them. Goddess uses the mundane to
> communicate as often as she uses the fantastic. She is in All things.
> Opening the door of perception is learning to see magic in the mundane.
>
> I understand that some folks seek to find "reasonable" explanations for
> the effects of the grounding site.. I am not one of them.
> I understand the mechanism of consciousness well enough to know that
> people tend to fear what they do not understand, and seek to soothe their
> fear by seeking reasons.
> This has been an aspect of human nature since First Woman saw lightning
> and made up a story about sky-gods. We may now understand the bio electric
> mechanism of lightning, and flatter ourselves about our wisdom, but when
> and where lightening strikes is still up to the fathomless plan of Nature.
> Science and reason are only another form of religion.. scientists believe
> in things they cannot see, too. Rhetoric is the science of using reason to
> convince another of things that are not necessarily true.
>
> I cannot recall all of the thoughts and intentions that went into the
> energy/intention base of the grounding during the hours days weeks months I
> was meditating on it to tweak it into perfection.. nor am I inclined to
> try... but I will say that tho it appears to come thru me, it is connected
> to much more than me.. I don't ask for the names of the beings who come to
> assist me when I am doing such work.. they come in the highest good, it is
> all I need to know.. "Ground crew". :)
> I do know that one of the patrons of it is Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. Tho
> I doubt that she is aware of her patronage, consciously..
> It was the k-list's observation of the K-fire her pic on the net
> generates that was inspiration for a site designed to cause KA.. Shakti
> rides the net....and receiving Shaktipat from "Grandma Devi" myself
> radically improved my own ability to grant Shaktipat, which in turn affects
> the site.
>
> I have always been very humble about taking credit for the effects of the
> site.. I feel that it was channeled thru me, more than written by me. I
> gave it up to Goddess purposes, and I have been advised not to seek after
> logical explanations that might limit it's limitlessness in my conceptions.
>
> To Melody I would say: no-one but you can say for sure whether your
> experience with my website was magical or mundane. Get grounded and ask
> your inner voice, it will tell you the truth.
>
> When you get "logical" explanations for odd events that catch your
> attention, notice internally if there is a disquieting sensation of
> dissatisfaction.. like there is more to it than meets the eye of the one
> offering the reasons..
>
> If the "malfunction" got your attention enough to comment on the list to
> ask if it was Magic, then likely it was indeed Shakti saying "hello, I am
> here for you" or you would not have felt so curious about it. Shakti hears
> your thoughts, and responds instantly. She uses your curiosity, and all of
> your feelings to guide you on your path. It may be that She chose to make
> use of an instability in your computer to announce her presence.
> In shamanic practice, one learns to be mindful of Goddess voice speaking
> thru all things. Listening to responses from the environment to what is
> happening in your mind.
> For example: You wonder about something, and hear the furnace start up.
> This is a confirmation/answer from Goddess, because it got your attention.
> Likely the furnace starts up many times a day, but you do not hear it at
> all. Your unconscious deletes the sound as unimportant if there is no
> message for you in it. it may be the furnace, or a dog barking, or a bird
> singing at night, or a line of dialogue on TV that mirrors your thinking or
> echoes your words.
>
> The timing of it is interesting, eh? Perhaps Shakti was assisting you by
> scrolling down for you so you could focus more fully on the meditation? Who
> knows? It is between you and Goddess.
> I happened to go thru my mail backwards yesterday, so I read Danijel's
> later response before your question.. I felt that there was "more than
> meets the eye", and my Wacom tablet crashed out.. I don't think it has ever
> done that before.. unless it did and I don't remember coz did not pay
> attention.. :)
>
> Shakti is one of the infinite names of God-dess. Creative feminine
> energy, usually associated with the planet's spirit, love. The life force
> inside you, and inside of all things. Every atom of reality carries in it's
> heart a spark of consciousness, and it is all bound together in the
> "Unified field" of unconditional love.
> The practice of magic is to recognize that our thoughts and feelings
> effect our perceptions of reality, and indeed create ripples in the subtly
> organized "chaos field" of the material world to alter it's manifestations
> according to our beliefs.
> By choosing to deliberately alter our beliefs, we alter our reality.
> Every thought is a prayer. When emotion is fueled by intention (Love +
> Consciousness) and sent out as thought, word or ritual, it creates ripples
> in the fabric of space-time that inevitably return to us manifest as the
> fruits of what we have sown.
> This happens whether we are aware of it or not, but awareness of it gives
> us the power to make different choices. We increase awareness of it by
> realizing it is already happening, and always has been, and begin watching
> for the signs and confirmations of synchronicity to access the higher
> wisdom of intuition to guide us in the choices we make.
>
> >
> >What I experienced from her webpage was more along the lines of feelings
> >of concentrated energy, and the exercise running itself without my
> >having to read it, among other things.
> >
> >- Mike S.
> >
> Very cool, thankyou Mike!
> These are the delicious fruits: every time someone tells me of the
> effects they felt from the grounding site, I get an incredible wild joyous
> rush of K-fire. Every time someone chooses to tell me what they
> experienced, the tale is unique. Goddess is limitless manifestation.
> Blessed be.
> Love, Mystress.
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 00:59:52 EDT
From: MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com>
To: keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: The Compleat Technical Guide to Kundalini (Was Kumbhaka...)
Message-ID: <370bcd48.355d1d4aATnospamaol.com>
Michele: Ah, klinical kundalini.... Sigh.
In a message dated 98-05-15 14:26:59 EDT, you write:
<< ... The second issue was retention. Harsha spoke of a 3-minute retention
and
pointed to Swami Rama's books where quite long (minutes to hours if I
read it right) retentions were discussed.....snip, snip
But when reading scientific research articles on the tummo practice I
found one interesting thing.... snip, snip
The tummo practitioners in one study did demonstrate the ability to raise
temperature - as much as 13 degrees Fahrenheit - I also followed up other
research on breath retention. Reducing oxygen consumption by 50% in an hour...
no published articles demonstrating...There have been two studies I have
found...20% oxygen reduction was realized. Another showed 50% reduction - but
certainly not total suspension ...snip, snip
1) Does the subjective experience of suspension really entail stopping
breath...who debunked the yogi in a coffin scenario. I've mentioned the
results of ``scholarly'' scientific journals that I have found.... haven't
seen it mirrored in a scientific study Kurt
>>
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 01:14:11 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Milarepa and pranayama?
Message-ID: <355D20A3.5CE0A6CCATnospammail.snet.net>
Danijel Turina wrote:
> If the
> technique was good, he would become enlightened in a few months or so. I
> would even say that he would be enlightened faster if he stared at a nail
> on a wall all that time. :)))
Never rush
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 01:35:20 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Pain/pleasure
Message-ID: <355D2598.CC9665EDATnospammail.snet.net>
Brent Blalock wrote:
> I have experienced pain as an either completely neutral or
> neutral/pleasurable sensation. I haven't quite got the hang of experiencing
> all pain that way, but I'm working on it... I suspect that all sensations
> of all kinds are like that - "just sensations" and in a cosmic sense
> meaningless. Or rather, they exist only for their own sake.
Pleasure/pain is same process.Both are extremes.
Balance is the key.
There one can see through the keyhole.
> (In fact, the only thing that I do know for sure is that I exist.)
How well you know yourself is the real issue.
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:38:38 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Melody <melodyATnospampowernet.net>
cc: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Questions
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Hi melody,
It really surprises me that you want to know all aboutt
integration of conscious with unconscious and you don't
necessarily want to experience it.
love,
anurag
On Wed, 13 May 1998, Melody wrote:
> I don't necessarily want to raise it. I'm just wondering about "affective
> spiritual experiences" and if it's possible to bring them on at will. I have
> experienced a feeling that Christians describe as the descent of the Holy
> Spirit and it's a unique feeling. I'm interested in consciousness, period.
> I'm interested in anything that might integrate the unconscious with the
> conscious.
> Melody
>
> Paul West wrote:
>
> > > Is it physical yoga positions only that raise kundalini, or can you
> > > raise it by meditating? I would like to know if the high-tech
> > > meditation tapes available at http://www.synchronicity.org, especially
> > > the Beta-level tapes which they only provide within a program and for
> > > which they supply telephone support for the "cathartic effects," would
> > > raise kundalini. Any opinions?
> >
> > Melody,
> >
> > I'm just wondering, but why do you want to raise your k?
> >
> > --
> > Paul.
> >
> > IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
> > WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
> > E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
>
>
>
>
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 03:15:29 -0500
From: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
To: <dakotaATnospamcet.com>
Cc: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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-----Original Message-----
From: Duke Phillips <dakotaATnospamcet.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Date: Friday, May 15, 1998 11:17 PM
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
>A few nights ago, while meditating, I all of a sudden experienced a surge
of electricity going through my entire body. I was able to open an eyelid
after about 15 seconds of effort. I may have also experienced this a night
or two prior also, but just not as intense. I've had several 'unique'
experiences the past three years, but this was something new and powerful. I
had no feelings with this, such as intense love. I was alert the whole time
and able to think and analize this as it happened. I now assume this is
kundalini energy.
Well, I read books about Kundalini awakenings and that sounds Kundalini-ish.
It could meerly be that you are become aware of your energy -- or subtle
body, as some like to call it. But I, having almost no experience with
either, can't say for sure.
>A few years ago, after getting some healing from a psychic, I began to get
vibrations in my temples and sixth chakra. Sometimes they can be pretty
intense. I have also felt energy in my right palm, lower legs (surface),
penis, over my heart (which reminded me of a very small tornado), throat,
and the top of my head. I also experience a lot of energy in my hands. Once,
in the middle of my sleep last Sept. ('97) I awoke to my entire body
vibrating for about 10 seconds. Lately, my feet have been hurting a lot
(which I thought was because of my weight-248lbs) and I have a hard time
remembering a sentence a minute after I've read it (which I chocked up to
old age at 43). Also, the bottom has dropped out of my sex drive, which I
also thought could be because I'm no spring chicken anymore, hummm.....
Kundalini seems to be contagious, and it could be that the psychic was
K-awakened and intentionally or untentionally passed it on to you. I also
hear that either a significant increase or significant decrease in sexual
desire are symptoms of Kundalini activity.
>Last summer I had NO ambition, not to do a garden as usual, or even to mow
the lawn. This year it seems everything is changing. I've mowed my acre
twice in the past two weeks by hand and am planting a large garden and
planting a lot of trees.
I'm a procrastonator. I tend to have plenty of ambition, but don't seem to
have the energy or motivation to get what I want done. Sometimes, I have a
mood where the opposite is the case. Certain music can trigger that mood
(music from Warcraft I does it for me). Thinking about that mood can get me
in that mood. (It's happening now!) Sometimes, I'll try to do something
and actually finish what I start, and that will excite me, and the new
excitement will help me continue to work, and the new progress will make me
more exited, and I'll work even more, and that whole process will continue
until I'm in that mood.
I was working at K-Mart once, in the Garden Center. Sometimes we get
shipments of fertilizer in and we'll need to move piles and piles of bags of
fertilizer (20-30 lb. each, maybe). While I was carrying the bags, I got
into that mood. About halfway during the process of transporting all the
bags, my supervisor told me to take a break. I didn't want to -- as hard as
I was working, I had a huge *surplus* of energy. I felt like a freight
train traveling at full speed! I walked away from work that day thinking,
"Wow... Fucking wow... If only I could feel like that much more often..."
When I read autobiographies of people who are K-awakened, I see things
similar to that mood mentioned. I believe the definition of Kundalini on
the Kundalini Resource Center's Web site uses the phrase "an intense
libidinous source of energy", and that phrase applies to what I've
experienced. Does part of your experience sound like mine? It might be
Kundalini at work. Then again, it might not -- I've experienced that mood
more than once, but don't have any psychic powers or verbal/telepathic
communication goddesses (hence, probably no k-awakening)...
>Does any of this sound like kundalini energy? I would appreciate any input.
Maybe it does. I always appreciate input, too.
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 11:54:01 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: About priorities
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At 01:14 1998.05.16 -0400, you wrote:
>Danijel Turina wrote:
>
>> If the
>> technique was good, he would become enlightened in a few months or so. I
>> would even say that he would be enlightened faster if he stared at a nail
>> on a wall all that time. :)))
>
>Never rush
Those who are in no hurry never get there. :)
"Never rush" would be an interesting advice to give to Paramahamsa
Ramakrsna, when he took a knife to kill himself because he couldn't live
without his beloved Goddess anymore. Those who take their time never find
God. Only those who can no longer wait, find Him.
I have read an interesting story about that... a disciple asked his guru
why can't he see God. Guru said nothing. While they were having a bath in
the river, guru grabbed the disciple and pushed his head under the water.
The disciple was struggling for air, and when he was almost dead, guru
pulled him out, and asked him: "how great was your desire for air down
there?". "Enormous!!", answered the disciple, breathing deeply. "When your
desire for God becomes as great, you will without any doubt find Him", the
guru answered.
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 12:43:08 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: "Druout" <DruoutATnospamaol.com>, <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>,
"Harsha1MTM" <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Kumbhaka (was RE: Milarepa and pranayama?)
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With both amazement and amusement I was reading the breath-retention times.
When I had a little (self-styled) practice of pranayama, the first thing I
observed was, that the breath-retention times could be more than doubled, if
I started by saturating the blood completely with oxygen through conscious
hyper-ventilation to the point where dizziness occurs. Without a properly
defined starting condition (hemoglobin content, saturation percentage),
retention times don't mean much. The major advantage of the practice for me
has been slowing down metabolism. As this has been achieved, my practice was
over, since breathing itself slowed down considerably. Early in the
practice, the heat of K. could be increased also and one process of "inner
alchemy" could only be done with the "extra" of retention.
Jan
Date: 16 May 98 04:03:13 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Do you accept this?
Message-Id: <355D1001.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Sai Baba sais:
-8<-
Cultivate a nearness with me in the heart and it will be rewarded. Then
you too will acquire a fraction of that supreme love. This is a great chance.
Be confident that you will all be liberated. Know that you are saved. Many
hesitate to believe that things will improve, that life will be happy for
all and full of joy, and that the golden age will recur. Let me assure
you that this divine body (dharmaswarupa) has not come in vain. It
will succeed in averting the crisis that has come upon humanity.
-8<-
Do you believe this? Are we saved?
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 13:55:19 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Do you accept this?
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At 04:03 1998.05.16 +0000, you wrote:
>Sai Baba sais:
>
>-8<-
>Cultivate a nearness with me in the heart and it will be rewarded. Then
>you too will acquire a fraction of that supreme love. This is a great chance.
>Be confident that you will all be liberated. Know that you are saved. Many
>hesitate to believe that things will improve, that life will be happy for
>all and full of joy, and that the golden age will recur. Let me assure
>you that this divine body (dharmaswarupa) has not come in vain. It
>will succeed in averting the crisis that has come upon humanity.
>-8<-
>
>Do you believe this? Are we saved?
If you're not sure, then find the source of the doubt and erradicate it.
That doubt is rooted in things that are not divine. You are free, of course
- if you are able to see yourself in freedom, attached only to God. It is
our choices that keep us in bondage. And since some of these things are not
easy to find and remove, drastic measures may be required at some times. :)
Are we saved? Do we choose salvation? ;)
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 03:08:55 -1000 (HST)
From: Pamela Wright <Pam.CarolATnospamaloha.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Has anyone ever heard of the kundalini experiences of John Scudder, or Gopi Krisha?
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:54:46 +0100
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: "Kundalini Mailing List" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Talking of fish . . .
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Ah yes,
Snakes and magic powers - poof . . .
I am getting REALLY Holy now - oops . . .
I am so wise now that I surprise myself (gosh that was a silly thing to say)
People asked me to return because they are kind (away with the rude one . .
. such polite, spiritual beings :-)
There is more shakti at my Web site then some of you are ready for. Be
warned; fatalities are expected . . .
He's bad, he's back by unpopular demand . . .
POWER
Lobster breath
Lobster Web Pages
http://ds.dial.pipex.com/town/park/gcn23/
YinYana Buddhism, Alchemy, Sufism, Time Travel
Esoteric Satanism, Kundalini Psychosis (by Yogi Tom) and String
Date: 16 May 98 15:13:21 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Do you accept this?
Message-Id: <355DAD11.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> If you're not sure, then find the source of the doubt and erradicate it.
> That doubt is rooted in things that are not divine. You are free, of course
> - if you are able to see yourself in freedom, attached only to God. It is
> our choices that keep us in bondage. And since some of these things are not
> easy to find and remove, drastic measures may be required at some times. :)
> Are we saved? Do we choose salvation? ;)
This is precicely my question!
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 15:46:19 +0100
From: Chris Hughes <aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Do you accept this?
Message-ID: <1998051615461984101ATnospamzetnet.co.uk>
The message <355D1001.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
from "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk> contains these words:
> Sai Baba sais:
> -8<-
> Cultivate a nearness with me in the heart and it will be rewarded. Then
> you too will acquire a fraction of that supreme love. This is a great chance.
> Be confident that you will all be liberated. Know that you are saved. Many
> hesitate to believe that things will improve, that life will be happy for
> all and full of joy, and that the golden age will recur. Let me assure
> you that this divine body (dharmaswarupa) has not come in vain. It
> will succeed in averting the crisis that has come upon humanity.
> -8<-
> Do you believe this? Are we saved?
> --
> Paul.
> IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
> WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
> E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Dear Paul
after reading many books about Him going to see Him Christmas 96 and
in a situation where people of all faiths and none (60,000 people)
were giving thanks for the birth of Jesus Christ. That is the
miracle. I and every one else saw Him teleport a bible out of thin
air ( borrowed from a museum )
that is not the miracle. His teachings are similar to Jesus. He says
he is God but so are you the only diference is he knows it we dont.
He says "if you cant have faith in God have faith in yourself its the
same thing"
What attracted me to Him is this I read in a book Come and see me and
go back home a better Christian Budist Moslem etc. I am of no
religion. Yes I would now say that I am a devotee of Sai Baba but a
poor one. I hope this does not cause you any offence as people can
naturally be a bit touchy about others belief. Read some books Paul
decide for your self, and yes I believe he is exactly who he says he
is, God Incarnate. You were always saved because you were never lost
to God. Bare in mind also I am a Scot and you know how skeptical we are.
Love Chris
Sai Ram
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