1998/05/13 14:12
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #367
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 367
Today's Topics:
Re: Recently... [ "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc ]
Re: electricity :) [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: tummo (was RE: Non-denominationa [ Jeanne Garner <jeannegATnospamicon.net> ]
Questions [ Melody <melodyATnospampowernet.net> ]
marks on skin [ melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu ]
RE: Nadis and their location [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
ZAP in my sleep! [ Matthew Bastress <mattbATnospamchrysalis.c ]
Re: Recently... [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
Re: marks on skin [ Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com> ]
RE: Recently... [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
RE: Recently... [ melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu ]
Re: Questions [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
Re: Questions [ Melody <melodyATnospampowernet.net> ]
Turban Physiology? [ Terrence Brannon <brannonATnospamlnc.usc.e ]
Re: Turban Physiology? [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
RE: Milarepa and pranayama? [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
RE: tummo (was RE: Non-denominationa [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
RE: Milarepa and pranayama? [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 02:30:45 -0500
From: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
To: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>
Cc: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Recently...
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From: Jan Barendrecht <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>
To: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 11:43 PM
Subject: RE: Recently...
>Paul wrote:
><big snip>
>> Although this is only a side topic, and not really a k thing, maybe it
>> would be interesting to ask if anyone has experienced k-related
>> materialisations. ??
>
>On several occasions I experienced materializations, but strictly speaking,
>they were tele-portations. Most of the time K. caused me to be in a very
>joyous mood but as I had no idea what was causing that, I used to think a
>lot about possible causes. As a result I was rather forgetful, like not
>taking the keys of my apartment with me when leaving or I forgot my
>cigarettes or the lighter. On missing my cigarettes, I checked this to the
>point of emptying the pockets of my cloths completely. When, absorbed in
joy
>and thoughts, a little later I habitually put my hands into the pocket
where
>the cigarettes ought to be, they were there! In the altered state of mind I
>noticed it, but never questioned or investigated how this was possible - I
>just was quite happy with it. As it happened several times with various
>objects, it is impossible to forget.
I just started reading this thread in the middle, so please pardon me if I
say something weird or inappropriate.
Disclaimer: I used the word "I" in the following sentences, but am not
referring to myself. I am speaking of a dear friend of mine.
One time, I was near the end of an LSD trip and it was late at night. I was
watching TV and sitting on my bed. I'd either sit up or lie down depending
on how I was feeling at the moment. I'd shift positions when I was
uncomfortable, so I'd often reach for my pillow. And sometimes it'd be
gone! I'd look around all confused and find it on the other side of the
bed. That happened several times.
I think it was because I was preoccupied and didn't remembering moving it,
and not the result of teleportation or magic. Could the same have happened
to you? It coulda' been magic, though. I wasn't really in a state to tell
what was really going on.
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:03:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: electricity :)
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On Wed, 13 May 1998, Anurag Goel wrote:
>
> Hi Janpa,
> I think it should be "ommanipadmehum"
> Love,
> anurag
the english transliteration of the Korean transliteration of the Chinese
transliteration of the Sanskrit came out:
om mani bahn-may hum (ala the 1000 arms & eyes sutra)
Since i havent a clue how the syllable written in english as hum or hung
is "supposed" to be pronounced, do you have any insights on the original
sanskrit?
maitri,
--janpa
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:36:30
From: Jeanne Garner <jeannegATnospamicon.net>
To: "keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu" <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: tummo (was RE: Non-denominational kundalini?)
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Hi, Kurt,
At 05:30 PM 5/11/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Chang's book has always been considered unreliable. But the situation on
>tummo publications has improved greatly in the last year. Glenn Mullin has
>published a couple reliable works on tummo and the six yogas of naropa. A
>book based on Lama Yeshe's teaching on tummo should be out some time this
>year.
Yesterday my Quest magazine arrived, complete with a review by George
Feurestein on two of Mullin's books, if anyone's interested in reading more
about them: Tsongkhapa's Six Yogas of Naropa, and Readings on the Six
Yogas of Naropa. I don't know if you're talking about either of these, but
both books mentioned in the review look very good--have already ordered
them from Amazon.
Jeanne
==-* My stars!
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 07:40:16 -0700
From: Melody <melodyATnospampowernet.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Questions
Message-ID: <3559B0D0.49D92F65ATnospampowernet.net>
Is it physical yoga positions only that raise kundalini, or can you
raise it by meditating? I would like to know if the high-tech
meditation tapes available at http://www.synchronicity.org, especially
the Beta-level tapes which they only provide within a program and for
which they supply telephone support for the "cathartic effects," would
raise kundalini. Any opinions?
Thanks,
Melody
http://www.powernet.net/~melody
Holistic Theory and Reverse Speech - The Voice of the Unconscious
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:19:33 -0400
From: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: marks on skin
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Last week I kept feeling these surges in the area of the 3rd eye. I woke up
a few days ago with a red mark there that looked like a small burn. Now its
peeling like a burn and even bleeding a little. Has anyone had or heard of
this happening w/K?
Thanks all!
--Signalfire
This mellow thighed
snake just put
my spine out of place ...
---- slanted David Bowie
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 08:30:33 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: Nadis and their location
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Kurt,
OK it took some time but I'm back with info I promised to gather in my
"next meeting" (which was yesterday) with my teacher, Chandrasekharanand
Saraswati of Rishikesh.
I was confused by the "functional drawings" of the nadis I had seen, as
opposed to the "physical drawings". Those are my terms. By physical
drawings I mean the actual layout. By functional drawings I mean the
drawings that have been used in my teacher's lectures on the operations
of the nadis.
A physical representation is shown here:
---------
/ ------- \
/ / ----- \ \
/ / / --- \ \ \
/ / / / \ \ \ \
/ / / / \ \ \ \
| | | | B | | | |
\ \ \ \ ___ / / / /
\ \ \___C___/ / /
\ \____V____/ /
\_____S_____/
Where the letters represent the first letters of the nadis, Susumna,
Vajra, Citrini, and Brahma.
For those not familiar with this thread the nadis inside susumna are
like a coaxial cable each layered outward. Each nadi can be thought of
as a hose or tube containing open space, possibly another tube and
possibly other structures that can cause delays, blockages, or
"handholds" that both impede Kundalini's rise and allow Kundalini to
maintain her position once she has attained it (a given charka, etc.)
The debate was over the location of Vajra.
My confusion arose over the functional representation where Vajra is
drawn along with Saraswati and Sikini (I am sure that one is spelled
wrong, pronounced Sa kee nee) nadis because of some of their
characteristics.
Vajra is different from the others shown above (S, C, & B) in several
respects. One is that this mouth is not one of the end points of the
nadi. Think of Vajra as a "check mark" with the short branch ending at
the genitals, the bottom of the "V" in the check mark at the mouth of S,
C, & B, and the long branch of the check mark ending above Ajna in the
brain centers. This connection between the genitals and the brain
centers suggests why it is called the "sexual nadi" and that is correct.
It, along with nerves, carries communications and experiences between
those two points in the body.
More importantly it is a truly smooth tube and has no "closable" mouth.
More on the smooth part later. The closable mouth part has to do with
the natural status of the other three nadis (S/C/B) in most people. They
have a closure, think of it as a membrane or like a hymen, that will not
allow Kundalini to enter that tube until the membrane is pierced or
opened. Since Vajra lacks this closure should Kundalini awake before one
of the other nadis is prepared to receive her (the membrane removed or
is made ready to pierce) Kundalini will find Vajra a welcome outlet from
its home in the root chakra. (It could also take one of the other two I
mentioned as being in the same functional drawings I'd seen, but Vajra
is more likely and besides that's not the topic of this thread.)
Now the "smooth tube" part: While Vajra is a smooth tube the other three
on that axis all have places within them where Kundalini will be slowed
or blocked in her rise upwards. The S/C/B nadis normally have these
blockages. These also can be thought to serve to help Kundalini maintain
her position once she has attained it, if not in the sense of living
there like she did at root at last regularly working there to attempt to
rise further. Some schools teach she will fall back until she reaches a
certain height/chakra but can easily return to the last level attained.
The Vedic school I've studied in teaches unless you've gotten into heart
or above you're not certain of your status in the next life, but if you
attain above that you'll be reborn with a rising to that level. The
thing is that getting to a chakra, say Ajna, in Vajra is not as
beneficial as getting there through S/C/B because the rising is not a
permanent rising. Even at Ajna and above a Vajra rising will fall back
regularly in daily life, it will be hard for you to control, next
lifetime you're assured of nothing, and it will not lead to
enlightenment.
It is possible, with the help of a Kundalini Master to sometimes shift
Kundalini from Vajra to a different nadi at a chakra. If that happens
the mouth at root chakra is automatically opened by Kundalini as she
first goes down and does "house cleaning" before trying to advance
upward in her new nadi. I am told that is not an easy task in most
cases. In other cases it is best to open one of the other three, S/C/B,
and encourage Kundalini to take that nadi when it next emerges from the
root chakra, where it will return if it was in Vajra nadi.
Tying this to another thread of late. The reasons those people in the
past did all those austerities was to help open the mouth of S/C/B to
let Kundalini take a more beneficial path when she awoke as well as to
awaken her.
Well, I've taken up more than my share of the bandwidth today, thanks
for the patience.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Wed, 13 May 98 12:34:00 EDT
From: Matthew Bastress <mattbATnospamchrysalis.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: ZAP in my sleep!
Message-Id: <199805131634.MAA22566ATnospamlevi.chrysalis.com>
Hi!
When linear thinking reaches a dead end and is afraid
to go back...?
This morning I was in a dream with someone I knew before
I went into the monastery. Then (now), I was lying in
the dirt, disconnected from my past and afraid of death.
I was shaking, so I gave in to the fear and suddenly
there was a big ZAP of energy through my right big toe
and as I awoke my body was vibrating with cool refreshing
energy in smooth circulation. Everywhere the familiar
resistance appeared it would find no foothold and fade
away.
Now, learning to do that while awake!
Matt
Date: 13 May 98 13:59:47 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Recently...
Message-Id: <3559A73B.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Jan:
> cigarettes or the lighter. On missing my cigarettes, I checked this to the
> point of emptying the pockets of my cloths completely. When, absorbed in joy
> and thoughts, a little later I habitually put my hands into the pocket where
> the cigarettes ought to be, they were there! In the altered state of mind I
> noticed it, but never questioned or investigated how this was possible - I
> just was quite happy with it. As it happened several times with various
> objects, it is impossible to forget.
Yea, that's the sort of thing. On a very subtle, quiet, confident
level you just sort of affirm and agree that the thing is there and it
simply `is' there.
On another occasion not so long ago I was stood looking into the
cutlery drawer noticing that we'd had the same cutlery for years and
it was time for a change. Two days later the draw was full of new
cutlery. I hadn't mentioned my observation to anyone, or even thought
of it again to myself.
And one night I was reading and the window was open and it was getting
chilly so I said in my mind "remind me to close the window". It was
like a real simple thought, not distracting or powerful as such, amost
a muttering. It wasn't long before to my surprise I found the window
was now shut.
When I was at work they had these drawers with lenses in them in
packets, and they were in order and had the different measurements
written on the packets - focal length and magnifying power and stuff.
Sometimes when I'd need a certain lense I'd go to the draw to find
that lense `sticking up' above all the others. Happened more often
than I thought would be just chance.
Also quite often I get an intuition which just arrives out of nowhere
and makes me feel that the time is right to do something. If I'm
cooking something in the kitchen for example, and sitting in another
room, I might suddenly `remember' it and this feeling that it's
finished, and just as I get to the kitchen the buzzer goes.
Often I'll get words or phrases come into my head about a second
before a person sais them. Something I wonder if I am causing or
simply receiving. Or maybe both.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:50:55 EDT
From: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
To: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: marks on skin
Message-ID: <d0a05239.3559cf70ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 13/5/98 4:22:51 pm, you wrote:
>Last week I kept feeling these surges in the area of the 3rd eye. I woke up
>a few days ago with a red mark there that looked like a small burn. Now its
>peeling like a burn and even bleeding a little. Has anyone had or heard of
>this happening w/K?
Yes, although I think this phenomenon is rare. I have a K-awakened friend who
has a burn mark on his hairline in the shape of a bird as a result of K
arousal. I myself often get bright red heat marks and flushing around the
chakras, although these usually clear fairly swiftly. So don't
worry.............:-)
With blessings,
Alan
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:03:38 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>
Cc: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Recently...
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At 05:42 AM 13/05/98 +0100, Jan Barendrecht wrote:
>>
>On several occasions I experienced materializations, but strictly speaking,
>they were tele-portations. <...>As it happened several times with various
>objects, it is impossible to forget.
>
>Jan
>
Yah, they are fun... I associate that effect with Faerie energy. They
like to borrow things and put them somewhere else later. Beltane two years
ago, they stole a quartz crystal slightly larger than a ping pong ball I
had given my slave, right out of his pocket. We searched for it in vain,
till the following night we mentioned it to the High Priest and he said
faeries took it, it's gone.. I think faeries are nice folks.. so I told my
slave to ask the fey to give it back, very politely.. a few hours later,
under the moonlight with his 2nd sight, he saw a pentacle of blue fire on
the ground.. I told him to step into it.. he did, and felt a rush of energy
and something poking in his hip.. the crystal, returned magically into his
pocket. Glowing blue fire..
Last Beltane the high priest's silver Celtic wedding ring went missing..
"Damn Faeries.." he said..
I have a good friend who was given the key to her true self by a crazy
man on the street who ran up to her yelling "Freya " and babbling in a
language she couldn't understand. He dropped a very rough-made pentacle
pendant at her feet and ran off again.. she called me to ask what "Freya"
meant, if anything.. and when I looked up the Goddess' attributes for her,
she bust out crying coz finally her life made sense.. her passion for pigs,
and amber, her talent for healing, and her eternally broken heart. She was
born in a town whose name is only the first letter different from
"Valhalla". She is a manifestation of the Norse Goddess Freya.
She was helping me move.. there was a lot of Fey energy around. Her
pentacle she lost in the living room.. it turned up three days later under
the middle of the waterbed sheets.
Unforgettable.
Faerie games.. I often find something right in front of me immediately
after I have given up looking for it, or confessed aloud my ignorance as to
it's location.. and I dunno where those big chunks of labradorite crystal
got to... ;) One that weighed several pounds vanished shortly after I told
Freya she could not carve it coz the Doctor said stone carving dust was
destroying her lungs and she had to stop.. I promised to teach her to work
in ceramics instead, coz mud has no dust.
Blessings, A.
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:32:10 -0400
From: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: Recently...
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>>On several occasions I experienced materializations, but strictly speaking,
>>they were tele-portations. <...>As it happened several times with various
>>objects, it is impossible to forget.
>>
>>Jan
Mystress wrote:
> Yah, they are fun... I associate that effect with Faerie energy. They
>like to borrow things and put them somewhere else later.
A shaman friend of mine was reading a book one afternoon and put it in his
chair when he went to do domething. When he came back the book was gone.
Three days later he found it in the freezer on top of the ice cream he was
after. Hadn't been near the freezer for a week ... they like to play
puzzels.
--Signalfire
This mellow thighed
snake just put
my spine out of place ...
---- slanted David Bowie
Date: 13 May 98 17:39:29 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Questions
Message-Id: <3559DAD0.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> Is it physical yoga positions only that raise kundalini, or can you
> raise it by meditating? I would like to know if the high-tech
> meditation tapes available at http://www.synchronicity.org, especially
> the Beta-level tapes which they only provide within a program and for
> which they supply telephone support for the "cathartic effects," would
> raise kundalini. Any opinions?
Melody,
I'm just wondering, but why do you want to raise your k?
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:10:58 -0700
From: Melody <melodyATnospampowernet.net>
To: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Questions
Message-ID: <3559E232.6DF9557DATnospampowernet.net>
I don't necessarily want to raise it. I'm just wondering about "affective
spiritual experiences" and if it's possible to bring them on at will. I have
experienced a feeling that Christians describe as the descent of the Holy
Spirit and it's a unique feeling. I'm interested in consciousness, period.
I'm interested in anything that might integrate the unconscious with the
conscious.
Melody
Paul West wrote:
> > Is it physical yoga positions only that raise kundalini, or can you
> > raise it by meditating? I would like to know if the high-tech
> > meditation tapes available at http://www.synchronicity.org, especially
> > the Beta-level tapes which they only provide within a program and for
> > which they supply telephone support for the "cathartic effects," would
> > raise kundalini. Any opinions?
>
> Melody,
>
> I'm just wondering, but why do you want to raise your k?
>
> --
> Paul.
>
> IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
> WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
> E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: 13 May 1998 12:57:46 -0700
From: Terrence Brannon <brannonATnospamlnc.usc.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Turban Physiology?
Message-ID: <lbyaw60wqt.fsfATnospamseal.usc.edu>
Hi everyone, I am new to this list. But, I have been doing Kundalini
Yoga as taught by Yogi Bhajan for about 5 months. I live with 2 sikhs
and read some interesting things about turbans and heard some things
off and on, so I tried wearing it... now there's no way I can take it
off! The things I believe to be true about wearing a turban are:
1: no heat escapes the head. Thus less energy is used in warming the
head.
2: Acupuncture points are along the temples. Thus one gets a constant
acupressure massage.
I also notice I am more in my body, but less attached to my body. It's
kind of an odd sensation.
Could anyone offer some data on why turbans are a useful thing to wear?
--
Terrence Brannon * brannonATnospamlnc.usc.edu * http://lnc.usc.edu/~brannon
USC, HNB, 3614 Watt Way, Los Angeles, CA 90089-2520 * (213) 740-3397
Great Milk Debate... http://www.milk.com vs. http://www.notmilk.com
Date: 13 May 98 21:08:10 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Turban Physiology?
Message-Id: <355A0BBA.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> Could anyone offer some data on why turbans are a useful thing to wear?
You aren't born with one. ;)
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:59:18 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Danijel Turina'" <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>,
"kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Cc: "'Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com'" <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
Subject: RE: Milarepa and pranayama?
Message-ID: <01BD7E77.52FE7DE0.keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
Danijel says:
><< You can put it the other way round, too: the fact
>that someone like Milarepa, with his devotion and commitment, needed so
>much time and work to attain realization with that technique, would
suggest
>that the technique is practically worthless to everybody else. :). If the
>technique was good, he would become enlightened in a few months or so. I
>would even say that he would be enlightened faster if he stared at a nail
>on a wall all that time. :)))
KK: Danijel, I think you would all do us all a favor if you reread his
biography before you attribute anything else to him. As a matter of fact he
did try Dzogchen before he met Marpa. Dzogchen is a ``fast track''
practice. No staring at a Nail - lots of staring into the vastness of
space. Nothing happened - then he met Marpa.
>>>
>Harsha: Pranayama is actually a system. It is made up of a variety of
>techniques. Perhaps as you gain more background in these matters, you can
>appreciate them in more depth. I am glad you have found a "technique" that
you
>feel works for you. At least you have that. Be careful though. When all
you
>have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail:--)).
Danijel says:
I don't see how it relates to my comment. ad1, I said pranayama is unsafe,
and ad2 I said it isn't efficient enough. I was referring to the kumbhaka
techniques, the breath retension. I know there are other sorts of pranayama
and I know some of them are very good, but there are much better things and
I use them all the time. You don't have to agree, of course. :)
KK: There are two approaches to tummo, and kumbhaka (rlung bumpa can) is
the essence of one of them. You can say whatever you want about pranayama -
that's fine - but it doesn't make any sense to try to use Milarepa to shore
up your position. If you do get a chance to read his biography (read the
one translated by Lhalungpa - the practices are better described there) you
will see that over and over he talked about the superiority of his
kumbhaka-oriented approach that he used over other practices for gaining
enlightenment. Read his dialog with his student Gampopa. Gampopa was a
master of many other meditation approaches, but Milarepa sent him off to do
tummo. You could not have chosen a worse example to illustrate your point.
Better luck next time!
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:47:25 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Jeanne Garner'" <jeannegATnospamicon.net>
Cc: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: tummo (was RE: Non-denominational kundalini?)
Message-ID: <01BD7E75.AA536F30.keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
KK says:
>Chang's book has always been considered unreliable. But the situation on
>tummo publications has improved greatly in the last year. Glenn Mullin has
>published a couple reliable works on tummo and the six yogas of naropa. A
>book based on Lama Yeshe's teaching on tummo should be out some time this
>year.
Jeanne says:
Yesterday my Quest magazine arrived, complete with a review by George
Feurestein on two of Mullin's books, if anyone's interested in reading more
about them: Tsongkhapa's Six Yogas of Naropa, and Readings on the Six
Yogas of Naropa. I don't know if you're talking about either of these, but
both books mentioned in the review look very good--have already ordered
them from Amazon.
Yep, those are the books. They are really excellent - although they are not
at all intended to be ``do it yourself'' manuals. I'll look forward to
reading Feuerstein's review. These books are directly available from the
publisher.:
Snow Lion Pub. 800-950-0313 P.O. Box 6483 Ithaca, NY 14851
I got acquainted with Glenn Mullin in India many years ago. We chatted
about gTummo and Glenn helped me by pointing me to some teacher of his
teachers that were adepts of this practice. He's a real character. He
travels a lot in the west these days. Look out for a lecture from him.
Enjoy
Kurt
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:06:45 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: Milarepa and pranayama?
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980513230645.00926670ATnospampop.tel.hr>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 13:59 1998.05.13 -0700, you wrote:
>Danijel says:
>I don't see how it relates to my comment. ad1, I said pranayama is unsafe,
>and ad2 I said it isn't efficient enough. I was referring to the kumbhaka
>techniques, the breath retension. I know there are other sorts of pranayama
>and I know some of them are very good, but there are much better things and
>I use them all the time. You don't have to agree, of course. :)
>KK: There are two approaches to tummo, and kumbhaka (rlung bumpa can) is
>the essence of one of them. You can say whatever you want about pranayama -
>that's fine - but it doesn't make any sense to try to use Milarepa to shore
>up your position. If you do get a chance to read his biography (read the
>one translated by Lhalungpa - the practices are better described there) you
>will see that over and over he talked about the superiority of his
>kumbhaka-oriented approach that he used over other practices for gaining
>enlightenment. Read his dialog with his student Gampopa. Gampopa was a
>master of many other meditation approaches, but Milarepa sent him off to do
>tummo. You could not have chosen a worse example to illustrate your point.
>Better luck next time!
:)) If you want kumbhaka so much, keep it, I won't argue. :) It is just
that I wanted to make a strong comment about it here. I see no point in
referring to my own experience since some people here tend to think I'm to
young to have one - well, it's OK by me, and I most certainly won't blow my
horn too much - the result of my method is known to my students, and they
are the ones who have a vital interest there. :)
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