1998/05/12 07:28
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #365
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 365
Today's Topics:
Milarepa and pranayama? [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: Happiness [ "John Heaton" <cttlemanATnospampsbnewton.c ]
Re: Milarepa and pranayama? [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: To Activate or not to activate [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Re: Milarepa and pranayama? [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: Re: Milarepa and pranayama? [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: Re: Milarepa and pranayama? [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Anonymous:My experience [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Eric Sarratt <sarrattATnospammailexcite.co ]
tummo (was RE: Non-denominational ku [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
RE: Non-denominational kundalini? [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
RE: RE: kundalini rising (was RE: 3 [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ Louis Conjar <lconjarATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: Non-denominational kundalini?-me [ Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com> ]
Subject: re. weeping [ "b bah" <happyhunaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:52:51 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Milarepa and pranayama?
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At 18:59 1998.05.10 EDT, Harsha wrote:
>In a message dated 5/10/1998 1:10:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr writes:
>
><< Harsha: Quite right. The Shakti awakening is a beginning. Purity of mind
>is
> >essential for the Kundalini to rise up fully and function at higher
centers.
> >The spiritual benefits of a Kundalini awakening are not always obvious
> >immediately, particularly if the awakening is abnormal or premature.
> >Pranayama is considered an important practice in many Shakti traditions for
> >awakening, purifying and raising the Shakti to higher levels. Milarepa, by
> >the way, was a Pranayama adept.
>
>Danijel: I am not sure about that, unless the tummo technique is
considered to
>be
> some sort of pranayama? Does anyone know something more specific about this
> matter?
> >>
>Harsha: You may wish to read Milarepa's biography by W.Y. Evans -Wentz.
Yes, I did, some time ago, that's why I'm asking. I don't have the book
with me, but I wouldn't be that quick about making conclusions whether it
was pranayama or not - most likely not, from what I've figured out. It was
some sort of bindu awakening technique, and bringing the heat to the body.
Of course, I would think that to be only the basic technique, on the
physical and pranic level.
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 06:19:33 -0500
From: "John Heaton" <cttlemanATnospampsbnewton.com>
To: "Angela Mary Broad" <ambroadATnospamacs.ucalgary.ca>,
"Ann Morrison Fisher" <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Happiness
Message-Id: <11105820306904ATnospamspringnet1.com>
----------
> From: Angela Mary Broad <ambroadATnospamacs.ucalgary.ca>
> To: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
> Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
> Subject: Re: Happiness
> Date: Sunday, May 10, 1998 8:18 PM
>
> Oh yeah, have any of you experianced such magical joy from favorite songs
> that it just openes your heart this very seccond!!!????
John:
You betcha! ......Moody Blues "In Search of the Lost Chord"..(I have
actually had to pull off to the side of the road listening to this one..in
particular 'Melancholy Man')........ Pink Floyd "Delicate Sounds of
Thunder"-->'Shine On You Crazy Diamond' and 'Learning to Fly'...Beatles
"Yesterday", "Fool On The Hill", "Elanor Rigby"....just to name a few.
There's tons more.
> Try some music by YES, especially UNION and the song IT CAN HAPPEN on
> 90125...
Okay. :-)
>
> No it doesn't work for everyone, maybe I'm just excited to have a new
> favorite group and connect really well with thier music....!!!!!!
>
> LOVE AND LIGHT
> Angie
>
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:29:35 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Milarepa and pranayama?
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In a message dated 5/11/1998, 5:57:38 AM, sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr writes:
<<>Harsha: You may wish to read Milarepa's biography by W.Y. Evans -Wentz.
Danijel: Yes, I did, some time ago, that's why I'm asking. I don't have the
book
with me, but I wouldn't be that quick about making conclusions whether it
was pranayama or not - most likely not, from what I've figured out. It was
some sort of bindu awakening technique, and bringing the heat to the body.
Of course, I would think that to be only the basic technique, on the
physical and pranic level.>>
Harsha: Many different methods of meditation and pranayama or some combination
of them can be used to generate psychic and physical heat. You had made some
negative comments about Pranayama in your one of your posts some time ago. Now
you have spoken about how much you adore Milarepa and how wise and enlightened
he was, etc. Since some of the methods used by Milarepa involved Pranayama, I
was somewhat amused and simply wished to point it out to you:--). I am glad
we both share admiration for Milarepa, a truly heroic figure among Yogis.
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:51:38 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: magneagaATnospammonet.no, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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In a message dated 5/10/1998, 7:02:35 PM, magneagaATnospammonet.no writes:
<<THE SACRED HUM:
I toiled and toiled and then I found
the source of all eternal sound.>>
Harsha:
And saw that I am always free, never bound
alive in the thunder of the soundless sound.
Sorry, could not resist! This poetry always overcomes me --Harsha
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 07:08:14 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: To Activate or not to activate
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anurag wrote:
I think pranayama will help in losing weight.
-----------------
anurag,
I think you're right and I believe I remember reading in a text on
pranayama about that, but it has been years and I don't recall the
details.
You may find it very interesting that here in the US there is a woman
who is selling a program on one of those 30 minute "infomercials" we
have developed into a TV staple. She is selling it as a way to become
fit and "loose inches" as well as a few pounds all, "without exercise",
by breathing as she teaches on her video. I haven't shelled out the
money for it but what she loosely describes on the ads for the video are
pranayama techniques. According to her you can "look and feel better in
a month" if you give her program a try for 10 minutes at a time two or
three times a day.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:06:09 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Milarepa and pranayama?
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At 09:29 1998.05.11 EDT, Harsha wrote:
>In a message dated 5/11/1998, 5:57:38 AM, sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr writes:
>
><<>Harsha: You may wish to read Milarepa's biography by W.Y. Evans -Wentz.
>
>Danijel: Yes, I did, some time ago, that's why I'm asking. I don't have the
>book
>with me, but I wouldn't be that quick about making conclusions whether it
>was pranayama or not - most likely not, from what I've figured out. It was
>some sort of bindu awakening technique, and bringing the heat to the body.
>Of course, I would think that to be only the basic technique, on the
>physical and pranic level.>>
>
>Harsha: Many different methods of meditation and pranayama or some
combination
>of them can be used to generate psychic and physical heat. You had made some
>negative comments about Pranayama in your one of your posts some time ago.
Now
>you have spoken about how much you adore Milarepa and how wise and
enlightened
>he was, etc. Since some of the methods used by Milarepa involved Pranayama, I
>was somewhat amused and simply wished to point it out to you:--). I am glad
>we both share admiration for Milarepa, a truly heroic figure among Yogis.
You are right, I think very negatively of pranayama because it is dangerous
and useless violence over body and energy system. Breath can be controlled
safely by controlling the spirit - actually my technique results in
pranayama as a side effect. But attempting to produce the main result of my
technique by breath retension would be very foolish and would produce
nothing, if you're lucky.
You can never control the breath successfully because it is done using the
mind, which is powered by the breath (pranic flows). In order to stop the
breath you should stop the mind, and I don't think it can be done, it is
the other way round - breath stops when mind is at ease. Everything else is
just a useless and harmful magical ritual.
You can say that Milarepa didn't breathe and since pranayama means that,
you can say he practiced pranayama. I would say he was in the state of
complete stillness, and that includes pranayama. You could also say that I
practice pranayama, too, but it is just a symptom.
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:41:26 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: Milarepa and pranayama?
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In a message dated 5/11/1998, 10:12:04 AM, sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr writes:
<<You can say that Milarepa didn't breathe and since pranayama means that,
you can say he practiced pranayama. I would say he was in the state of
complete stillness, and that includes pranayama. You could also say that I
practice pranayama, too, but it is just a symptom.
>>
Harsha: Milarepa actually practiced certain breathing methods to control the
breath. Practice of breathing methods and meditation are not mutually
exclusive. Some Yogis do both. Many of the Kundalini masters of the past like
Matsyendranath and Goruknath were adepts at Pranayama. I agree with you that
Pranayama can be dangerous. Evidently you had a negative experience with it. I
have stated clearly in my paper on the web that advanced pranayama does not
suit everyone. I am glad you have found other techniques that suit you and
work for you. This is the right approach. You must use common sense and see
what technique works for you. People have different inclinations in spiritual
practice. There are no universal rules. You may wish to read Milarepa's
biography by W.Y. Evans -Wentz (more carefully this time).
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:58:06 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>, kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Harsha, who wrote these marvelous words? They literally gave me goosebumps.
Love, Orea
Harsha1MTM wrote:
>
> In a message dated 5/10/1998, 7:02:35 PM, magneagaATnospammonet.no writes:
> <<THE SACRED HUM:
>
> I toiled and toiled and then I found
> the source of all eternal sound.>>
>
> Harsha:
> And saw that I am always free, never bound
> alive in the thunder of the soundless sound.
>
> Sorry, could not resist! This poetry always overcomes me --Harsha
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:06:56 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: Milarepa and pranayama?
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At 10:41 1998.05.11 EDT, Harsha wrote:
>In a message dated 5/11/1998, 10:12:04 AM, sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr writes:
><<You can say that Milarepa didn't breathe and since pranayama means that,
>you can say he practiced pranayama. I would say he was in the state of
>complete stillness, and that includes pranayama. You could also say that I
>practice pranayama, too, but it is just a symptom.
>>>
>Harsha: Milarepa actually practiced certain breathing methods to control the
>breath.
Milarepa also used black magic to cause havoc. :)
>Practice of breathing methods and meditation are not mutually
>exclusive. Some Yogis do both. Many of the Kundalini masters of the past
like
>Matsyendranath and Goruknath were adepts at Pranayama. I agree with you that
>Pranayama can be dangerous. Evidently you had a negative experience with
it. I
I had a very negative experience with it - actually, as I wrote once
before, I bounced between the extremes with it - sometimes I was full of
energy, my consciousness was brilliant and deep etc; and sometimes I was
depressed and my mind was completely blurred and darkened. Finally I
figured out that this pranayama thing was actually trying to imitate, in a
very unsophisticated manner, something my body was doing all by itself if I
let it function naturally - it was filling the system with energy and
maintaining the blissful state. Then I did it the other way round, and it
worked. The breath wasn't as clearly regulated as when I did the pranayama,
but perfectly fitted for the fluctuations of attention that occurred
occasionally. So I do think it is possible to use some sort of a breath
technique and produce very good results, but you have to know exactly what
you're doing.
>have stated clearly in my paper on the web that advanced pranayama does not
>suit everyone. I am glad you have found other techniques that suit you and
>work for you. This is the right approach. You must use common sense and see
>what technique works for you. People have different inclinations in spiritual
>practice. There are no universal rules.
That is exactly the point. Pranayama tries to fix universal rules, and that
doesn't even fit the same person's different moods, let alone completely
different people. Most people here don't have much experience in observing
subtle relations of mind/prana needed to make the proper adjustments to the
technique so it would fit their individual needs. And without that,
pranayama is not a spiritual technique, it is a weapon.
>You may wish to read Milarepa's
>biography by W.Y. Evans -Wentz (more carefully this time).
I probably will, but for reasons other than pranayama. ;)
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:45:51 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Anonymous:My experience
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>Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 00:45:45
>To: kundalini-l-ownerATnospamexecpc.com
>Forwared: 3/My experience 4/
> about the list
>You could post this anonymously if you like. When it happened I typed it
>all down in a rush, so though I have since edited it, it is still a bit
>disjointed.
>3/
>This is my experience with the kundalani.
>
>I have salt sensitive BP. A week before it occurred I must have both eaten
>too much salted food along with putting in long hours at my computer trying
>to finish an assignment for a Technical college course that I am doing.
>The result was my BP went extremely high and I could not sleep. I had
>several days off work. I was trying to handle High BP, Panic attacks & No
>sleep by validating myself and even deliberately and intentionally trying
>to continue the very worst panic attacks. I was still waiting for my BP to
>drop and had had very little sleep. I had been going to my peaceful place
>and seeing and hearing touching and smelling? things. My mind was dreaming
>while I was awake. I could see all the pages I had worked on at the
>computer being cleared away, one at a time very quickly, in full detail.
>The pages where actually appearing in front of my peaceful place and to go
>to it I had to reach through these pictures that where being cleared away.
>For a while I had not been sure about my relationship with my lover. - Was
>she a substitute for my mother or did only love her because I felt I could
>not get anyone else. I had these kind of doubts. I thought while I am in
>this state I should try to handle these doubts since I can see so much more
>in my mind than normally. I had absolutely been unable to do what my
>rebirther/therapist I should about letting the mum part of me know how a
>felt about what she shouldn't have done to me. (Telling me her sexual
>problems and frustrations with dad when I was younger - I might have slept
>with my mother if she had suggested it.) My rebirther had made me aware
>that this had messed me around. So I seized the moment and tried to do it.
>I saw her as this crooked cripple desperate for affection. I swore at her
>and cursed at her full on in my mind. I felt grief come twice but I
>couldn't let go and cry. I was worried what my brother and the neighbors
>might think or do. The mum I saw was actual head size and a mock up of a
>big picture of her and a vague head sized mockup and saw a memory or her
>when I was younger briefly. I then called mum where ever you are now help
>me. A small distant or close and egg sized woman's head appeared. I
>felt unattached love (gk agape) and in my mind "You will be\or are
>perfectly safe." So I did not care as much in more. So I started letting
>go, actually aloud and it quickly grew massively. It seemed a short but
>massive out pour. Unfettered slucks and sobbing. I said is that enough
>and it was and I thanked her. After I felt I had let go some grief but
>needed to do more. The next night I felt I had to, and was able to,
>actually yell out real loud "Mum How could you have done this to me etc".
>I no longer cared who heard.
>
>Then it happened
>
>It was just as well that I had previously done a course called "money and
>you". At one point the lecturer briefly touched on what to do if certain
>things happened later on - He said something can occasional happen
>sometime after and when it does you will be certain and in no doubt. At
>least grab and put on trousers before you go and tell the person "your are
>the one that I want to be with" (The person who when you are with them you
>feel no fear at all. - Which is how I feel when with my girlfriend) Also
>tell them it will be OK and to go back to bed. It could be all hours and
>you will need to wind down over a couple of days and not ring people right
>away if its 3am say. He did not give specifics or a label that made sense
>to any one, just a strategy. I think someone said we have about 1 "kuni"
>every course we hold (200-300 people). It was only later on in the day
>that it happened to me that I realized the "kuni" would be short for the
>name the Indians have for their version of it. Kundalani. I did not take
>much notice of this at the time, since when I was on the course I did not
>have a girlfriend and could not see myself ever having one.
>
>But when it happened I had no doubt at all!.
>
>Wonderful electric thrills shot up and down my legs and arms. The room
>seemed to be like a sunny day. I knew without doubt that my girl friend was
>the one I wanted to be with and that it would be OK. All fear was gone. I
>thought I had lost all fear for good. I only wrapped a towel round myself
>because the forgotten instruction suddenly came back and made sense all of
>a sudden. (perhaps it was fortunate that the crisis with BP and no sleep
>meant I did not have an erection.) I did not care what any one thought,
>and I knew that my girl friend was the one that I want to be with. I
>shouted "I have done it.! I have done it.! I have let mum go!. I have let
>mum go!", repeatedly and did not care who heard it. I raced next door and
>said "You are the one I want to be with. We will be together for
>eternity." Her sleepy eyed son was a bit shocked when I asked for her in
>the early hours of the morning. I also said, as previously instructed, to
>go back to bed and that everything would be alright. I knew it did not
>matter and that nothing bad would happen. It was something that I would
>normally just never never do!. After that I put on shorts and shirt and
>went for a short jog and when I got back I measured my BP. As wonderful as
>I felt, my BP was still high. So I knew to keep taking it easy. It went
>down soon after and I caught up on sleep. For a time afterward if I said
>my girlfriends name in my mind, thrills ran up and down my arms and legs,
>but this has since faded away. How ever our relationship gets better all
>the time. I typed this up in a hurry afterward and made a version for my
>girlfriend to explain what had happened and reassure her. She had been
>concerned about the BP and lack of sleep let alone the added worry of an
>apparent mad fit.
>
>The aftermath of this is that I am less afraid of getting High BP and I
>have lost my fear of panic attacks which I would occasionally have in the
>presence of some people. Naturally I am now very interested in taking this
>further. When I rebirth myself I sometimes get violent shakes and I have
>just read that this can be a sign of the kundalini type transformation
>starting. I am quite happy for this to happen as I am prepared to accept
>whatever developes. I feel I could handle it. I still can not really cry
>when I feel grief, among other things, so I still have things to overcome.
>
>
>You could post this anonymously if you like. When it happened I typed it
>all down in a rush, so though I have since edited it, it is still a bit
>disjointed.
>
>4/ I am not sure I will continue with the list. I subscribed to the tad
>Williams one to find out about progress on his upcoming books. I had to
>drop the list since I was overwhelmed with the massive amounts of chat. I
>suspect this will be much the same.
>I will see how it goes.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 12:17:21 -1000 (HST)
From: Eric Sarratt <sarrattATnospammailexcite.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Can anyone tell me about some autobiographies or similar books on kundalini like "Play of Consciousness" or "Kundalini and the Third Eye."
sarrattATnospammailexcite.com
Eric
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:30:06 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Jan Barendrecht'" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>,
"kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: tummo (was RE: Non-denominational kundalini?)
Message-ID: <01BD7D02.711107B0.keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
JB: Not much is written about Dumo Yoga. One book (concise) with a
practical
value is:
Title: The Six Yogas of Naropa and Teachings on Mahamudra
Author: C. C. Chang
<snip>
Chang's book has always been considered unreliable. But the situation on
tummo publications has improved greatly in the last year. Glenn Mullin has
published a couple reliable works on tummo and the six yogas of naropa. A
book based on Lama Yeshe's teaching on tummo should be out some time this
year.
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:49:36 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Harsha1MTM'" <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com"
<kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>,
"'sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr'"
<sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
Subject: RE: Non-denominational kundalini?
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<< Harsha: Quite right. The Shakti awakening is a beginning. Purity of
mind
is
>essential for the Kundalini to rise up fully and function at higher
centers.
>The spiritual benefits of a Kundalini awakening are not always obvious
>immediately, particularly if the awakening is abnormal or premature.
>Pranayama is considered an important practice in many Shakti traditions
for
>awakening, purifying and raising the Shakti to higher levels. Milarepa,
by
>the way, was a Pranayama adept.
Danijel: I am not sure about that, unless the tummo technique is considered
to
be
some sort of pranayama? Does anyone know something more specific about
this
matter?
>>
Harsha: You may wish to read Milarepa's biography by W.Y. Evans -Wentz.
Many
of the Kundalini masters of the past like Matsyendranath and Goruknath were
adepts at Pranayama.
KK; Harsha's right on. Gorakshanath/Gorakhnath and Matsyendranath were
revered by both Buddhists and Hindus and in both traditions were masters of
yoga. Pranayama is the essence of tummo practice. I have a bunch of stuff
on this in the kundalini-yogas faq
http://www.spiritweb.com/Spirit/Yoga/kundalini-yoga.html
Look at the bottom on kundalini in the Tibetan tradition.
Milarepa's biography has been re-translated by Lozang Lhalungpa - it's much
better.
Also, there are the Songs of Milarepa tr by Chang and a better translation
of some other songs of Milarepa, called Drinking the Mountain Stream
translated by Lama Kunga with whom I am studying now. Lama Kunga is said to
be the reincarnation of Sevan Repa, one of Milarepa's disciples.
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 03:48:38 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: "Harsha1MTM" <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>, <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: RE: kundalini rising (was RE: 3 times K. from 1 to 7)
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> Kurt wrote:
<snipped but the last line>
> KK: Sorry Jan, I couldn't follow that.
It is a familiar complaint to me. So perhaps I should apologize for leaps in
thought and/or a bit of abstruse thinking. In philosophy, one of the
analogies has been, that man is a kind of microcosm. The laws of the
microcosm, one thought, could be applied to the macrocosm. A similar analogy
is: "as above, so below". However, if such an analogy produces an erroneous
result, it is justified to suspect other outcomes of these analogies. Now
that for our universe it is beyond doubt that it will expand forever, this
means that Karma will grind to a halt, as will all vibration so the
analogies are wrong as are the philosophies based on them. Of course it
won't influence anyone's practice of meditation. Because even on scriptures
themselves opinions are differing widely , as one can see at:
http://www.dvaita.org/list/list_09/threads.html#00100
under the subject "Dvaita? or Advaita?" and it's RE's, perhaps someone
should embark on constructing a philosophy that doesn't contradict science.
IMO the human experience can only be a subset of the total experience that
would be possible, because of the limitations of our perceptivity.
Jan
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:19:24 -0400
From: Louis Conjar <lconjarATnospamerols.com>
To: sarrattATnospammailexcite.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Eric Sarratt wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me about some autobiographies or similar books on kundalini like "Play of Consciousness" or "Kundalini and the Third Eye."
>
> sarrattATnospammailexcite.com
> Eric
Hi Eric,
You can find my list of favorite books concerning Kundalini on my web
site at: http://www.deimarket.com/p0000346.htm
One which I just recently received and am in the process of reading
that seems very good is called, "Daughter of Fire" by Irina Tweedie. It
is autobiographical.
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:31:28 EDT
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Non-denominational kundalini?-medium long
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Kurt writes:
<< Getting back to your point that: `` theory when the student is ready, the
teacher will appear...'' In my experience awareness of the need of a guide
is a key part of readiness. At least it was in my case. >>
Kurt.... This makes sense. I never could understand why this *theory* didn't
work when I needed a guide so much back when my K was flaring. Of course, it
never occurred to me to ask for one that knew what was happening to me and to
guide me in it, nor was I aware of the need of guidance in that area - just
thought I went bonkerz. I did ask for help in that area and was sent many
healers which helped enormously. (they could heal, but could not explain what
was happening)
I do remember asking for a teacher to come into my life prior to any K
activity, as I was seeking enlightenment. I lucked out with a gorgeous Siddha
Yoga(i?) several days after asking, who I fell in love with at first sight!
He taught me so much in many areas, except for the concept of kundalini.
Looking back, he was obviously K awakened and somehow activated it within me -
not sure if it was from just being around him or from doing all the things he
taught me.
Thank you for clarifying this for me.
xxxtg
* I can always be distracted by love but, eventually, I get horny for my
creativity *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 00:28:29 PDT
From: "b bah" <happyhunaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Subject: re. weeping
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UNexplained bouts of weeping,and extended teary eyed periods
were VERY
common in my healing classes at Berkeley Psychic Institute. Took
me over
three years to figure this out. All our teachers would say about
this
was very off-handedly, smiling while they said this "Oh...
you're just
having a growth period". HA! must have been their euphenism(sp?)
for a
GROSS period.I've decided we were just releasing stuck gunk.
My favorite saying in high school was "and this to will pass"
I've been
thinking this a lot lately.
barb
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